Building A Bullpen - Part II
I'll start off with a friendly two-part request. 1) Hot stove chatter for the day has it's own dedicated diary found here. 2) If you still want to discuss the Mitchell Report, let's keep it confined to this thread. Thanks in advance on both accounts.
Now last week we looked at who had constructed the best bullpen over the course of the last two years. I used DIPS, which is a stat that looks like a pitcher's ERA but takes into effect the quality of the defense behind them. We know that once a ball is put into play, a pitcher has no tangible effect over what happens to it. If they have a good defense behind them, more BIP will be converted to outs but that's a credit to the defense not the pitcher. Obviously, we want to find the best pitchers for a bullpen so isolating what is actually a contribution on their part is important. I also adjusted for park effects since places like PETCO can make mediocre relievers look awfully good.
One suggestion was that I look at the issue with a stat like Baseball Prospectus' WXRL. That statistic, which seems unpronounceable, is a measure of expected wins above replacement level added by relievers with an adjustment for the quality of the opposing lineup. In English, if each reliever were to face the same caliber of hitters, how many wins over a baseline would a reliever add. I looked into that statistic and here's why this is the last you'll hear of it. First, it's a counting stat. Reliever A who gets more opportunities than reliever B can have a higher WXRL while being a "worse" pitcher. We could turn it into a rate stat using the number of innings pitched but I'm not sure that's an accurate denominator. I'd prefer something like total batter's faced but I don't really know if that's a good denominator either since that's a proprietary stat. Second, it doesn't appear to be park adjusted. An flyball out recorded in PETCO is not necessarily the same as one recorded at Coors. The articles that give the technical explanations are in the BP 2005 and Baseball Between the Numbers -- neither of which I own. I'd be shocked if it wasn't park adjusted since that seems like such an obvious adjustment but BP's glossary doesn't list it. The last and most important issue for me is that it uses leveraging. I'm not a fan of leveraging the value of the ninth inning greater than that of the first inning. It's something that has never made intuitive sense to me and I try to avoid it when I can.
There's another statistic that I looked at called adjusted runs prevented (ARP) which takes care of park effects, doesn't use leveraging and is based on the run expectancy matrix. Unfortunately, it doesn't have any adjustment for defense so it's not something I'm really pleased with either. Some kind of ARP adjusted for defense or a de-leveraged WXRL adjusted for defense would be worthwhile looking at. That's not to say that either of those statistics are particularly bad but I'll take my park adjusted DIPS data over both of them.
Whew, got all that. For those of you with a glazed-over look, I've come to the conclusion that the data I started out with last week is what I want to use going forward. One quick note, I don't make any adjustments for league or division and in a perfect world I would. I do not, however, know the impact that the AL vs. NL issue has on relievers much less what adjustments would look on a division level. It's likely that the AL teams in places 4-6 would vault ahead of the Cubs but I'm going to stick with what I've got unless I find some reliever specific translations.
So, as promised, let's take a glance at the top three teams from my list last week: the Dodgers, Twins and Cubs. I'm going to confine my look at the bullpen to relievers who threw 30 innings. That's the core of the pen. Everyone has some circulating marginal talent in the back but that doesn't really speak to why teams succeed. It's the 30+ inning guys that are taking the brunt. The raw data I'm working with can be downloaded here.
The 2006 Dodgers had 5 relievers throw more than 30 innings: Takashi Saito, Jonathan Broxton, Joe Beimel, Danys Baez, Tim Hamulack. Saito is a Japanese import and the lone free agent in this group. Hamulack and Beimel are both lefties -- Beimel, if you remember, was a critical part of the Dodgers success that year before he sliced his hand up on some broken glass in a bar just before the post-season. Broxton is the youngest of the group at 22 and Saito is the only one over 30. Despite being somewhat elderly by baseball standards, Saito threw 78 innings that season with a FIP under 2. The 2007 Dodgers had holdovers of Saito, Brocton and Beimel and additions of Rudy Seanez and Scott Proctor. Proctor came over in a trade from the Yankees and Seanez proved to be a nice free agent signing.
I'm really partial to how the Twins have built their bullpen the last few years. They've got some shutdown relievers in that pen. In 2006 they logged quite a few relief innings and had 7 relievers pitch over 30 innings. Joe Nathan and Pat Neshek are (or should be) well known names at this point as they're both excellent relievers. Juan Rincon, Matt Guerrier, Jesse Crain and Willie Eyre rounded out the right hand side of the pen and Dennys Reyes was the lone lefty. In 2007 there wasn't a single lefty that qualified but Nathan, Neshek, Rincon and Guerrier all appeared again. Only Reyes in 2006 could be considered a free agent and he signed an extension to remain a Twin.
The Cubs have a bit of a different look from the other two clubs. They got a majority of their innings from a troika of free agents in Ryan Dempster (signed an extension), Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre. In 2006 flamethrowers David Aardsma and Roberto Novoa qualified along with Michael Wuertz and lefty Will Ohman. In 2007, the emergence of Carlos Marmol (who qualifies for the 5th best single season FIP between all three teams) saved the Cubs pen with a spectacular year.
Are there any conclusions that we can draw at this point? Well, I don't see anything that I'd be willing to etch in stone but most of the pitchers that are making this list aren't free agents but cost-controlled players who have under 6 years of service time. Of the 34 seasons, only six are players with a K/9 under 7 including 2 lefty seasons. Walk rates in this group aren't awe-inspiring with a full third walking over 4 per 9 innings -- maybe that can help allay some of my concerns about Chris Perez and his walk rates. Lastly, you'll note that only a third are from players over 30 and just 5 that are 35 or older. Those strike me as sensible qualities to look for in your pitchers but nothing particularly surprising.
Next week, I'll look at the Cardinal pens in depth from the last few years.
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This bullpen research makes me both
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 14, 2007 2:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Makes me mostly happy
This is an area where the system looks to be able to support the big club in the short term (Perez & Motte, & maybe McClellan) and there are guys like Maiques that you can look to with some hope from a longer horizon. Additionally, I've liked the returns when we've debuted starter prospects in a relief role with the big club (Wainright & even Thompson). I'd like to see us use that as a method of introducing the Boggs of the world to the bigs, and probably others also. Gives them some limited exposure and allows us to make an early appraisal of their potential in a less damaging role.
There appears to be great inflation in FA relief pitching. I'd like to see us take a different tact than what we're seeing from inside our division with the Reds and Brewers, and follow the lessons learned from the 3 examples listed in this diary.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 14, 2007 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seanez and Reyes (Dennys)
Reyes looked like a crappy pitcher until he went to the Twins and started being used as a situational lefty. That he was made to face roughly 249 right-handed batters (128 AB + 24 BB + 1 HBP) in 2005 with the Padres makes one question Bruce Bochy's competence.
by liam on Dec 14, 2007 2:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, get back to work, man
Reyes faced roughly 149 RH batters in 2005, to (roughly) 61 lefties.
by liam on Dec 14, 2007 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Record?
by AustinBOB on Dec 14, 2007 2:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not even midnight PDT
By the time I'm able to cognizantly read what he wrote tomorrow, there will be 150 comments and I'll have been at work for 3+ hours. Sigh...
by SleepyCA on Dec 14, 2007 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
read on Sundays
by chuckb on Dec 14, 2007 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shenanigans
by mizzou on Dec 14, 2007 5:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well Mizzou
by El Schweenador on Dec 14, 2007 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
welcome aboard
by chuckb on Dec 14, 2007 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one expected Dye to do that
by sdrone on Dec 14, 2007 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 14, 2007 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I, like mizzou
by ridgesee on Dec 14, 2007 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats versus Watching
by StLHugo on Dec 14, 2007 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are a wise observer, hugo
by ridgesee on Dec 14, 2007 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree
The question, "Which teams have had the best bullpens in recent years?" can be answered with objective statistical analysis. Today's entry attempts to answer the question, "What do these bullpens have in common?"
Now, if I'm trying to construct a bullpen for a future season, I'd most likely follow the more traditional thinking of building the 'pen from the "back end"... get me a closer I can rely upon. That guy becomes the lead dog; allowing the rest of the 'penners to do their jobs. Today's post suggests that I look for young "power" arms rather than rely on more-expensive veterans.
This is exactly what LaDuncan did late in 2006! After Izzy was forced to shut it down, they took their best remaining bullpen guy (Wainwright) and made him the closer; they also relied on "youngsters" Kinney and Johnson in "high-leverage" situations in the playoffs because they were pitching better than the veterans!
As far as the personal equations go, Jason Isringhausen acted as a mentor to Wainwright and the rest of the 'pen... he was still a leader, even though he couldn't physically pitch!
While I can't quite follow all the statistical analysis in this series, I still find it informative and useful for my fan's speculations... and speculating is what we fans do best!
by The Ol Goaler on Dec 14, 2007 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Common bullpen theme...
by eglasier on Dec 14, 2007 8:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs version of Eyre is
by sdrone on Dec 14, 2007 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to do with baseball, but with the internet
Charter Communication blows goats.
I was without internet all day yesterday and didn't get the scoop on the Mitchell Report.
So, in the best Bukowski tradition:
Damn you straight to hell Charter communications, with your call centers in the Phillipines that don't know where Missouri is, with your missed appointments, and your varying degrees of knowledge among your service techs. May you rot in hell as AT&T lashes you with CAT-5 cable while forced to listen to recorded customer service calls berating you. And I hope that the federal government never sees the need to bail out your overly debt ridden ass.
Thanks. Now I feel better.
by bukowski on Dec 14, 2007 11:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Rant
by RosevilleRedbird on Dec 14, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They Cant
by That's a Winner on Dec 16, 2007 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
way to go, bukowski
by ridgesee on Dec 14, 2007 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is a bullpen really that important?
Isn't a bullpen the last piece of a team to be assembled, and then made up primarily of rotation flunkies, young pups and journeymen? I guess I'm not surprised that there's not a huge correlation between the best pens, given that bullpens are such a motley crew to begin with.
by bgodar on Dec 14, 2007 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A good 'pen is vital...
Since there are no 100-win teams in the NL Central, everybody's a "contender".
Troy Percival signed with Tampa Bay... good for him, but the Rays still have miles to go to catch the Twin Evil Empires.
by The Ol Goaler on Dec 14, 2007 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
re: the 'pen
so, what i'm trying to say is that this series of posts by az is really supplementing that sort of gut reaction, grounding it into some concrete analysis, and that's a good thing.
by brentonjay on Dec 14, 2007 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HOF
This is a completely stat based analysis that looks at trends. For every season you accomplish some feat you get points, for milestones you get points, MVP, GG, etc. also get points. In the end if you have over 100 points you have a good shot and they say those over 130 are an almost certainty.
Active/not eligble Batters over 160:
Bonds 352
ARod 316
Griffey 225
Jeter 221
Pudge 217
Piazza 205
Sosa 201
Thomas 194
Alomar 193
Manny Ramirez 187
Rickey Henderson 186
Palmeiro 178
Vlad 174
Biggio 172
Ichiro 170
Pujols 166
Helton 162
Pujols has a way to go to catch the top, but isn't it funny that he already has a HOF caliber career after just 7 seasons?
Not in HOF over 140pts:
Pete Rose 313
Big Mac 169
Jim Rice 146
Puts a whole new light on Mac not being in when you look at some that have lower rankings.
I didn't look at pitchers too much but some that might interest you Percy is at 85, Izzy 56, Carp 37(tied with Peavy).
Top position player is Stan Musial with 454 and top Pitcher is Walter Johnson with 365 (top 5 are Cobb, Aaron, Ruth, Mays and Clemens, Young, Johnson, Mathewson).
by StLHugo on Dec 14, 2007 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Gordon...
Since when are singles hitters w a hollow BA tenacious? Of his 120 hits last year 101 of them were singles and he drew only 25 walks in over 400 ABs. How in the world is this tenacious? Not to mention that fact that Miles in a defensive liability and (correct me if im wrong) had three errors in a game TWICE this past year. I think everyone with half a baseball brain can see that letting Miles go and not paying him 1+ mil a year to sit on the bench was a good move. Clearly Gordo doesn't have half a brain.
by BigMac545 on Dec 14, 2007 3:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow...
by lordsummer on Dec 14, 2007 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bukowski Report
"Jeff Gordon smokes dope...how else can one explain comments he made regarding Aaron Miles"
by bukowski on Dec 14, 2007 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Expect a defamation lawsuit...
The anti-Rolen article he wrote last week was shameless. His work is so bad it aspires to be crap.
by meat on Dec 14, 2007 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another winning quote from that article
Little Power - .348 SLG, .058 ISO
Not Much Speed - 2 SB, 1 CS
"isn't a great on-base guy" - .323 OBP
"CAN hit" - uh...what?
What planet is Gordon on? Guess his "corner of cyberspace" is in another galaxy.
Or has Gordo fallen for the wily charms of another hustling, white ballplayer?
by lightbulb on Dec 14, 2007 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon is a hockey guy, mostly...
That said, Miles does hit for average. Which is something. Not much of something. But when you compare his stats (career OPS+ of 73) to the new starting SS, Izturis (career OPS+ of 67), he starts looking good, almost.
by DiscoJer on Dec 14, 2007 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think...
Goaler's WAP: (Wild-A** Prediction) Brendan Ryan starts the year platooning with Izturis, but takes the position on an "everyday" basis by the All-Star Break.
by The Ol Goaler on Dec 14, 2007 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles
by The Butcher on Dec 14, 2007 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
by bukowski on Dec 14, 2007 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what
by ridgesee on Dec 14, 2007 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
D-Backs
by Pokey Joe on Dec 14, 2007 7:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy Johnson?
by Mr Clean on Dec 14, 2007 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and I thought
by ridgesee on Dec 14, 2007 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DBacks...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 14, 2007 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but
by LuBrock20 on Dec 15, 2007 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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