The Half Assed Approach to Foundation Repair
Winter is steadily creeping in to this particular corner of the world, and I really could not be happier. It's always seemed strange, even to me, that someone who loves baseball so much can possibly love winter as well. What can I say? I've always been a cold weather person. Plus, I love all varieties of hot beverages and soups, but can't stand them in warm weather. None of this has anything to do with anything, I know, but I'm feeling cheerful, not to mention loquacious, this morning. On to the baseball!
I haven't said too much yet about my feelings toward the Mozeliak signing, mostly because I'm pretty on the fence about the whole thing. I was all kinds of excited about the prospect of Antonetti coming here, and in the initial disappointment of his pulling out of consideration, I was pretty down on the whole situation. After the initial let down, though, I looked at the situation and I'm actually pretty happy with the way the whole thing went down. I still think CA was the best choice, but I definitely think the Cards did the best out of the other candidates. I didn't like Hahn; as Lb stated yesterday, the team he helped put together is in the same straits as this Cardinal team. In fact, the White Sox's farm system is probably even worse than what we have here. Woodfork seemed a little interesting, but, by many reports, he had very limited experience in actually making deals and working to sign players, and I get the feeling he may not have been ready for the responsibility. Really, the only other name I was really intrigued by was Paul DePodesta, and he has his warts too. He helped to put together a very nice farm system, but his major league dealings were less impressive. The thing about DePo, though, is that there seemed to be a lot of front office 'noise' throughout his tenure; it seemed there were competing directions and very little cohesion in the front office, making it hard to get a great feel for how well he actually did his job, to me.
So I think Mo was probably the best fit of the bunch, honestly. He's already proven he can work within the framework of this front office, (to me, that's probably the biggest issue) and he has a nice rapport with most of the players and their agents. I'll reserve judgement until we see a little more from him with actual control; as many others here have already stated, we have a couple of fantastic barometers in the persons of David Eckstein and So Taguchi. The way those two situations ulimately resolve will give us a whole lot of info about where this team is going. Which brings us to my main point.
So far, all the statements we've heard have been along the lines of, "we need to evolve/ retool/ get younger, but we're going to stay competitive while we do it." Those statements, to me at least, are really worrisome. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's possible to do both at the same time, and I don't enjoy watching a bad product on the field, but sometimes the only way to take a great leap forward is to back up and get a running start. The foundation of this team still has a couple of nice parts, but, overall, the squad needs some new core pieces, not just some cosmetic work around the edges. I'm afraid that DeWitt and Co. are trying to keep the fan base happy with a winning product in the short term, rather than trying to make sure there's some truly great baseball to look forward to in the future. Personally, I think the fan base would stick with the team through a down year or two, especially if the organisation was sure to make the long term plan clear. The problem is that, outside of a vocal minority, (which, incidentally, includes a lot of us) most of the fan base would see a youth movement not as a necessary rebuild, but as a money driven scaling back. Ownership, instead of just trying to ameliorate those fears with excursions into the free agent market, needs to communicate better to the fan base, make it clear why certain things need to be done, in order to make the next great franchise run possible. I'm reminded of something I read in Bob Forsch's Cardinal remembrance book a couple of years ago. He said that Whitey Herzog had a philosophy on building a team. He said, "You should try to get to the World Series every third year. Then, while the goodwill from that WS appearance lasts, you scale back and build the team that'll get you there again in two years." I don't completely agree with that, but I think there's a good lesson to be learned: the fan base will tolerate some down years, so long as they can see the success coming.
So far, the moves the team has made this offseason haven't been terrible ones, but they haven't really been anything to write home about either. At the very least, they haven't shown any real imagination or innovation; again, though, these probably aren't make or break moves anyway. We overpaid for Russ Springer, but it's only one year, so at least he's not blocking anyone. The Pineiro deal bugs me a little more, though. At two years, it's still manageable, and the money, again, is probably too high, but whatever. The thing I see with Joel is that the Cardinals do have one of the better pitching coaches in the game, (as much as I disagree with him at times) and if he really thinks he can do good work with someone, I suppose you have to listen to him. I still just have the feeling, though, that come next August, we're going to feel, watching Joel pitch, much like a woman who goes home with Mark Wahlberg after seeing Boogie Nights. Yes, technically, you knew you were seeing an illusion, but you still can't help but be disappointed.
Deals like Pineiro's are what really worry me about this half assed, (see how I brought the title back in?) rebuilding approach. He shouldn't be truly terrible, but signing guys like him are the sorts of marginal moves that get in the way of really overhauling the roster. Oh well, hope for the best, I suppose.
A few other things:
I would really like to see the Cards get involved in trying to sign Kosuke Fukudome. He's in the prime of his career, he's something the Cardinals need badly, i.e. a right handed hitting outfielder, and, most importantly, he doesn't cost you any talent to bring in. He won't be cheap, but the organisation can better afford to overpay in dollars right now than they can in talent. You bring in Fukudome, and you can free up Duncan to be moved for a long term solution at shortstop or a young pitcher. I hate to see you go, Chris, but you're probably our best bullet to upgrade the really bad areas.
I'm sure a lot of you have already checked it out, but if you haven't, Future Redbirds has been counting down the top Cardinal prospects for the past week or so. Both erik and azruavatar have completed their lists; no surprises at the top, but each have put forth great reasons for their picks to go along with the lists. If you read this blog, and haven't checked theirs out yet, you really should. Both of them do phenomenol jobs of covering the Redbirds' system. During the season, I would check here for my daily dose of reality, then head over there for my daily dose of hope. It's an approach I wholeheartedly recommend.
I was listening to the radio the other day, and there was a little news story about the University of Texas. I wasn't really paying attention, so I have no idea what it was about, but I immediately thought of Kyle Russell, the Cards' fourth round pick that they failed to come to terms with. I started considering the failed negotiations, in light of the changes since, and wondering how the negotiations might have been different if everyone in the front office was on the same page. Luhnow picked him, Walt, I believe, was the one trying to get a deal done with him. To me, that alone says an awful lot about the dangers of having the kind of divide the Cards had in the front office.
Look at it this way. Whatever your job is, say you have a rival. This person is in a very similar position to you, and, in fact, the two of you sort of compete with each other. Now, you have a big project coming up, and your bosses have decided to bring in some outside help. You're going to be the point for the project, but your rival is in charge of choosing the outside help. If you end up being successful, you'll look good, yes, but your rival is going to get a ton of credit for choosing just the right person to bring in. Now, you're a professional, so you will, of course, do your best to work with whoever is brought in. But, honestly, would you really be able to be totally effective, with all of that baggage going in? That's the situation that Walt and Mr. Luhnow were in. Walt was responsible for trying to sign a player that a man who he viewed, (rightly or wrongly) as a rival and a usurper, had chosen. If Walt signs the kid, and he turns out to be great, who gets the credit? Certainly not the guy who negotiated a deal. Now, I would never suggest Jocketty would ever purposely damage the organisation due to a difference in philosophy with another executive, but I can't imagine that having such a gigantic conflict of interests in the middle of a negotiation is helpful, to say the least. I would be very interested to hear from anyone involved in the Russell talks as to how much urgency was shown by the Cardinals to try and get him into the organisation.
The Gold Gloves have been awarded; both Albert and Yadi got massively screwed, in my ever so humble opinion. Albert, in particular, was head and shoulders better than anyone else at his position. Unfortunately, the Gold Gloves are becoming more and more of a joke all the time; just ask Derek Jeter. Hardcore Legend put up a diary about it already; some good discussion, and lots of spleen being vented, deservedly so.
Finally, on a non baseball related note, the St. Louis International Film Festival begins tomorrow, the 8th of November, and runs through the 18th. I know a lot of people on here don't live in St. Louis, but if you do, do yourself a favour and check out this event. Chris Clarke, the director of Cinema St. Louis, does an amazing job of putting this thing on each year, and it's really grown into one of the better festivals in the country. I've gone each of the past three years, and have seen some truly wonderful films that, otherwise, I never would have even been aware of. I can't recommend the event highly enough. Give it a chance, you won't be sorry.
Only a few more weeks until the Winter Meetings; between now and then, we should get a better handle on how this offseason is going to go. Let's all hope that the 'new direction' talk isn't just lip service. Until next time.
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Fukudome - Lefty
http://japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=1064
Here's a photo of him hitting:
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/56986212.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193CC300 C081D9F470077EFF550F912514EB3FBE330FAACA05AA55A1E4F32AD3138
Crap.
by the red baron on Nov 7, 2007 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Throws righty
Still worth kicking the tires to see how much it would take to get him and keep him away from the Cubs, but doesn't fill as much of a need.
if he can be added
just a thought
Thanks for the post.
The Pineiro signing
The only way they can fix the foundation and stay competitive at the same time is to spend some money. Some well-spent money on guys who make a real difference isn't a bad idea. What bothers me is when they go out and target "veterans" who don't offer much over the in-house guys. The Springer signing is probably in that class, but it's small potatoes. Now, if they re-sign Eckstein and bring in a guy like Aaron Rowand, I might have to agree with you.
by CardFaninVA on Nov 7, 2007 9:40 AM EST reply actions
Spending money
They talked about how the Cardinals had sold 3.5 M tickets for 2006 already and they couldn't figure out why they were forced to put out such a craptastic lineup. Were they scaling back on the money?
Anyways, it got me thinking. The Cardinals in 2005 sold 3.5 M tickets, sold more in 2006 and more in 2007. Payroll went down in 2006 from 2005. Not only so much that but the talent level dropped off considerably. They began replacing B talent with low C talent, but not necessarily paying them as low C talent.
Why exactly are the Cardinals not able to compete on a big name FA? When was the last time they actually signed one who hadn't already been a Cardinal? They have a new stadium that is privately financed (they keep all the money), a rabid fanbase and I believe they are one of the few teams that actually profit off of revenue sharing.
It's not so much that people would see DeWitt as being cheap going forward from 2008 thru 2010 to rebuild. It's that they saw him being cheap from 2005-2007 and letting a lot of talented FA go by as a team that should have been in 3 straight WS could barely get back there.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Steve Stone
He was on every Monday from 4-6 and he was on every Thursday from 12-2.
Stone obviously discused Cubs and Sox baseball but he discussed the NL Central quite often. He said it was pretty much mind boggling to all baseball people as to why the Cardinals declined to spend money the past few years. He noted the same thing about increasing attendence and the obvious extra money they have been making as an organiztion by being in the playoffs so many years.
I understand spending $$ does not directly corralate to a WS win. But STL has probably been kind of cheap as of late. They have made small signings but nothing of note.
It's not mind boggling at all
- You wake up in the morning, have breakfast, and go play outside. Someone pays you $75k/year for that.
- You wake up in the morning and go to work for 8 or 9 hours. You do that 5 days/week, 50 weeks per year. Someone pays you $75k/year for that.
Exactly
There is a certain amount of money to be spent, and it's up to the personnel peeps to spend it wisely, which has not been done during the past couple of seasons.
If you want to have a few high-dollar (or mad backloaded) contracts on the books, that's great. But you better be able to balance those with good, cheap homegrown kids. This is where the Cardinals' personnel peeps have failed.
by 26thMan on Nov 7, 2007 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
baseball
he had money before and he will have a load more after he sells the cardinals
hes made his money. even if he does loose 10 mill a year for 10 years, he would still come out ahead
this fanbase ponys up like we were a huge market east coast team and better than cities with double our size
if he has to reach sometimes, then so be it
but i totally agree about talent evaluation
injuries are killing us
baseball IS...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Nov 7, 2007 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
ok, to play devils advocate
and its mostly deserved
but we have really lucked out to have swung and missed at a lot of these guys
schmidt is the first to have hit my mind, but with our defense last year, we might have also have been lucky to have missed on suppan
most free agent pitchers end up busts
i can say i wish we had somehow been in on soriano, but outside of that i cant think of a lot of people we missed out on lately
outside of burnett who seems to get hurt a whole lot anyway
someone correct me here, im sure im missing someone big
But did we really thing that Reggie Sanders
Why do the St. Louis Cardinals, in a better financial position that 90% of all the baseball organizations in the league, have to always bid on or sign the cheaper, safer bets? How about paying for talent for once?
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
RE: DeWitt being a cheapskate
He said "they annually push the envelope on payroll. Because of lower local TV revenues than New York, Boston or L.A., we're not in position to have a payroll they have."
He also said they've actually lost money seven of 10 years that he and his partners have owned the team.
Personally I'm crying bullshit. He may have taken a small loss to get a huge gain which he probably reaped in 06 and 07.
New Core
Our last core included a power hitting 1B blended into a Gold Glove power hitting CF, a all-world power hitting LF/3B/1B player and a Gold Glove power hitting 3B.
Now, we've got the all world 1B left but who is going to give us younger, Gold Glove power hitting talent for something not named Colby Rasmus?
New Core Players
That's pretty much the best you can do this year. By next year, either Bryan Anderson or Yadier Molina should be available to net another nice piece. Hopefully, by that time, you also have some inexpensive pitching help ready. All the salary that comes off the books after 08, you devote to one or two impact players on extended deals.
I didn't say you could build a great nucleus in just this offseason. That's going to take a little bit of time. I think it can be done, though, if the team doesn't mortgage it all away in the meantime.
by the red baron on Nov 7, 2007 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
What is to say that Colby Rasmus isn't
I just think that this core of players has to come from somewhere but I'm not particularly sure where from.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
You know that could be true
PS
true
Someone had posted earlier that our system is so bad we all seem to get a bit too excited about guys who may be off the radar in other systems. I think there is some absolute truth to that statement.
Now I think Rasmus is probably a top 5 in any system but I don't think he would be a #1 in the majority though.
Rasmus
1 DAISUKE MATSUZAKA, rhp, Red Sox
2 ALEX GORDON, 3b, Royals
3 DELMON YOUNG, of, Devil Rays
4 PHILIP HUGHES, rhp, Yankees
5 HOMER BAILEY, rhp, Reds
...
also in that top 28th, Braun, Tulowitzki, Lincecum, Andrew Miller, Jay Bruce and Cameron Maybin (the last two might go back to the minors but I doubt it). You are talking about 20 or so players that might move off that list and Rasmus did not take a step back this year. He will be top 10, which means he would be number one in no less then 21 systems. Rasmus is that good, he may not pan out but don't think it is just our weak system making him look good (that might be happening with Hoffpauir, Mather etc. but not with Rasmus)
Rasmus
I am hopeful
We need some new blood in CF that is going to put up some numbers. I just hope there is not too much expected out of him. If he can find a way to hit 18 HR/YR I will be more than happy.
Rasmus makes me very nervous
Don't get me wrong. Rasmus is one hell of a baseball player. The dude can mash the ball. But the way he was always hot and cold this season reminded me a lot of Jimmy Baseball. You love him when he's on fire, but you cringe a lot when he's not. Erik touched on this in his assessment at Future Redbirds, and rightfully so.
When you combine that inconsistency w/ all the hype that has been building thus far, taking into consideration that he hasn't even played a game in AAA, much less the majors... It just makes me nervous.
He's a nice kid who has been raised to be a professional baseball player. His father raised Colby and his brothers that way from a very young age. I think he could be phenomenal, but I'm cautiously optimistic right now, much like I was when I thought Antonetti would be the new GM.
Raised to be a ballplayer
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
It's just J.D. not the family
If he turns out to be Edmonds
Prospects are a wild card
Also, who knows what our (or any team's for that matter) farm holds. You never know when a guy in "A" ball is gonna turn out to be a star, and the guy you pegged to be the next franchise player flames out. It's a crap shoot - to an extent. Pujols came out of nowhere, and wasn't on most people's radar. Granted he's an exception, but the point being, highly tauted prospects don't always pan out, and sometimes the anonymous one's do.
wrong.
That being said, if we could flip him for a young, healthy ace type starter, of course i'd do it. The same if we could flip him for a young, healthy all-star caliber bat.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Nov 7, 2007 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Whose to say...
It's true he could flop, but it's also quite possible that he blossoms into a star.
You don't trade him unless the deal brings you back Hanley Ramirez, Felix Hernandez, or the like. In other words a young, cheap, superstar who is under team control for another for years....or, guys who don't get traded.
by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 7, 2007 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Rolen and Edmonds need to finish their contracts or gain some trade value on the field. I even toss out Izzy as a salary drag. The guy is entrenched with a no trade clause and he's a decent reliever but there is too much money in that position as far as I'm concerned. Izzy is not core for the money he's being paid. Mulder isn't helping either but injuries happen.
speaking of GM's
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/11/this-is-amazing.html
If the Pirates GM is really that foward thinking the NL central just got tighter.
Why?
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
The GM
That's what I was saying
Uhh
apparently
Look at TLR, he bases his whole strategy on lifetime match up stats that have almost no meaning due to small sample size and old data.
Case in point was that bizarre
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 7, 2007 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Do we really know if
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
no,
What you are saying is what I've been saying with the Pitch F/X data. Should be easy to group pitchers now and use collective matchup data.
rebuilding
by stlknows on Nov 7, 2007 9:42 AM EST reply actions
I can see
With the Cardinals greatest weaknesses being SS and starting pitching It would seem to me that Pittsburg and the Giants would be the teams I would be courting in the National league to fill my needs.. and American League.. possibly Cleavland, Minn...I don't know, maybe somebody else does.
I'm sorry...
AJ Burnett
i know this idea has been discussed
Off the top of my head I'd guess they'd want something like:
Reyes, Tyler Johnson, Ottovino, Mather.
It will take more than that
One year contract...
One top tier prospect and a throw in.
by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 7, 2007 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
one top prospect and a throw-in would be great
Injury concerns...
Not very comparable imo.
by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 7, 2007 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
his one year opt out muddies things
Maybe a high ceiling together with a high risk/high reward like McCormick?
What about Chris Perez?
Gold Gloves
Zubin
Glass houses, dude.
/comment police
by 26thMan on Nov 7, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I did get kind of silly
Saw
Oh! .. I see
95%
I'd take Lee in a heartbeat
I think you've missed out on all the statistical
Spelling, Albert and Yadi
What I was trying to say is that while everybody here is enamored with Pujols ability to field ball off the bat, I think the voters put more value in a first baseman's ability to field throws from his fellow infielders. I have seen no metrics on the subject, but I don't doubt Lee's superiority over Pujols in this respect.
As for Yadi, again I believe his throwing ability is tops in the majors. However is ability to block balls to prevent wild pitches or passed balls is not as superlative. If you consider that, Yadi's injury status and Martin's excellent hitting (a halo effect, no doubt), the vote makes sense in a way.
Here's a reason to doubt....
Read this.
http://www.actasports.com/sow.php?id=85
by flynn on Nov 7, 2007 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Caveat
by flynn on Nov 7, 2007 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I stand quite corrected.
I didn't mean
No offense taken
Neither Albert or Lee....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Nov 7, 2007 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Clint Barmes as a Cards SS??
Not a superstar, but probably can be had for cheap.
agree
Look at Barmes' splits
Also he only walks in about 5% of his plate appearances so he's a no go for the leadoff spot.
All in all I'd have to say pass. We need a lineup upgrade and I don't believe Barmes provides it.
I would rather see the Cards put together a package for Tejada. While Tejada is declining defensively he is a major upgrade to the lineup and probably a defensive upgrade over Eckstein.
splits
Of course Tejada is better player, but it will cost considerably more in personel and dollars than Barmes.
by cdb on Nov 7, 2007 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
MIF help
by stlknows on Nov 7, 2007 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't get it
well, he's young and cheap at least
Wow...
Barmes isn't even the player that Ryan is.
BTW, everyone complaining about Eck's lack of range and arm would have a field day with Clint.
I might give them Jiminez or Cavazos
by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 7, 2007 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
why do we need more
finances and payroll
just curious because i'm in favor of building of a sustaining operation and i often find myself caught up in the ml payroll issue. i know they added a minor league team this year and i feel that awas an important, positive effort towards building a strong, internally developed talent-base. so, when i see folks complaining about overpaying for for russ springer (which i agree with), my real concern is the loss of a million that could have gone to developing our talent base (e.g., signing russel).
just curious
I've always been curious as to how much
I don't believe so
this info
obviously the accounting doesn't work that way.
comments on Red Baron comments
the "half-assed" strategy bothers me too....try to build for the future while selling seats this year seem to be a strategy for long term middlin'
let's consider two things
- While the Fla Marlins are not a model organization, their post 98 "not half-assed" fire sale didn't turn out too bad did it? We don't have the same pure options but the strategy - in hindsight - is interesting.
- The Cards will never suffer from revenue....might lose a few million if non-contending but Busch will never be Marlin-empty
Takes some wisdom here - let's hope DeWitt, Mo and company have it because deeper holes are very easy to dig in this market place
I agree in principle with the half-assed
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 7, 2007 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Great idea
- Be transparent, honest and straightforward
- Throw the fans a bone or free beer just because
Maybe someday a real classy leader with cahones will step forward boldly, make such moves, become beloved by fans and then all the owners trip over themselves to copy the new "innovative strategy"....we can always dream
My opinion of your OTOH, any fan who drops a grand at Busch and doesn't understand rebuilding patience probably is at the game for concessions and superficial entertainment and they'll always get that....so I don't worry too much about them
Take a look at season ticket sales...before a pitch is thrown....the downside of losing some of the remainder because of a downside doesn't make or break DeWitt or cost him a wink of sleep as long as he believes in the rebuilding plan....if he was worried about quarterly return like our bosses, he wouldn't be a MLB owner
and a question
Oh, he likes him plenty
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Nov 7, 2007 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Cards Fan can endure
And then cry about all the money you lost as you're raising your WS trophies.
Because there aren't enough FA out there...
Add onto that the core of the Cubs (Soriano, Ramirez, Lee, Zambrano, Lilly, Hill), Brewers (Sheets, Gallardo, Suppan, Fielder, Weeks, Braun), and Reds (Dunn, Phillips, Griffey, Bruce, Votto, Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey) and you see that it will be very hard for us to compete against those teams with our best bullpen arms wanting to hang it up, the lack of a No. 2 pitcher let alone a 3 or a 4, and holes at 4-5 offensive positions depending on how you look at it. For over a decade we competed for and won many division crowns and we even won a WS. To do so, the minor league system was gutted and now we have to face the consequences.
MLB history is full of guys who are the best player in their prime and stuck on bad teams. We all should be happy (Albert especially) that we won the big one and for the next decade can boast, "Hey we won it recently". It's hard to talk dynasty when you win the WS and then don't finish .500 the next year while most of your best players are declining.
by SpringfieldDude on Nov 7, 2007 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I agree to a point
I also agree MLB is a business and the owners aren't in it to lose money.
How many times are we called the best fans in baseball? We support our players, our team, and invest our time, effort and loyalty. And then they try to pass off a $hitty product to save a couple bucks.
How many years in a row have ticket, food, and souvenir prices gone down?
Sorry I'm done with my rant now.
the other factor in favor of retooling
Agreed to a point
For the Reds, they keep their core of Griffey, Dunn, Phillips, Harang, and Arroyo while adding top 20 prospects Bruce, Votto, Bailey, and Cueto. The Reds already were close to leading the league in runs scored. If Bailey or Cueto click, could easily win 85 games especially with Dusty Baker at the helm. While people will gripe about Dusty, his downside comes after he leaves the team and has overworked some young players while underworking others.
For the Cubs, I see some regressing in Lilly, but while Lee, Ramirez and Soriano are all a year older (and Ramirez is turning 30 in a 35 year olds body), I think their production will at about the same level. Even if it regresses a little, Soto showed he is going to be something and Felix Pie has yet to live up to his potential. Add in a FA signing like Fukudome in RF and this team will probably win 85 games again if not more.
Even the Pirates have a better pitching rotation with Ian Snell and Tom Gorzelany at the head and certainly Oswalt is a better No. 1 for the Astros than Wainwright.
If you would have said, let's stock up for one year last year, I would have said 'hell yes', the NL Central is weak. Now, I think the NL Central is on the rise and we aren't in a good position to compete. It's time to take our WS championship and rebuild for the next 3-4 years.
by SpringfieldDude on Nov 7, 2007 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Colby Ramus and his insane number of doubles
Colby could hit a double...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Nov 7, 2007 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
... made of jello.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
filled with jello
by Birds on the Matt on Nov 7, 2007 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
fill
Wood
Wood
by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 7, 2007 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Cliff Lee
I would hope the Cardinals are atleast kick the tires here. He's LH pitcher that lives around 91-92 but has a devistating curveball. He has a moderate contract of $3.75M in 2008, $5.75M in 2009, and has a $8M club option ($1M buyout) in 2010.
If the Mets snag him from the Indians for very little, I'll be hugely disappointed.
And Joe Strauss basically shot down
http://www.stltoday.com/discussions/sports/joe-strauss-live/LD110507116/all
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
as an aside about those chats
(And none of that is a reflection of my opinion of Strauss as he's been gracious enough to answer my correspondence in the past and I think he's generally a very good reporter.)
I kind of like the inside-jokiness of that
by MdRedbirdFreak on Nov 7, 2007 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I considered it
In other news, Mo says on Stlcardinals.com today that we have no restrictions on payroll at this time . Everyone that believes that, stand on your head and whistle.
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 7, 2007 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Of course we don't have restrictions
Not a good fit....
I say get him
Is Sid Ponson out of detox?
White Sox re-sign Uribe
I would assume this takes them out of the Eckstein race.
Most teams...
by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 7, 2007 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
And right after
the Eckstein Race???
by Birds on the Bat on Nov 7, 2007 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
But if there was a race, it would be a real grinder.
hijack (two of them) sorry
second, Birds on the Bat...looks like I hijacked your name. sorry about that...I'm new.
Houston may have just partially atoned
I'll be looking forward to a Bourn vs. Molina Battle of the Bases next season.
by SethWestern on Nov 7, 2007 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, but kinda sad
by birdsonthebat on Nov 7, 2007 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, ed wade got busy fast
it's funny that wade's first deal was with the Phils. it'll be interesting to see who "wins" this one.
to botb
by Birds on the Bat on Nov 7, 2007 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, BotB
by birdsonthebat on Nov 8, 2007 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
I guess this kills the idea
I just died alittle inside
Maybe a tarp that doesn't become airborn in biblical storms?
by Hardcore Legend on Nov 8, 2007 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
No Bourne
I hear that Phillie's GM had to ask Albert Pujols for permission to make the deal, since Albie literally owns Lidge.
by stl tyler on Nov 8, 2007 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
by the red baron on Nov 8, 2007 6:41 AM EST up reply actions

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