Yankees..Rolen..Dark horse?
According to a recent post over at MLB trade rumors, the yankees best canidate could be Rolen. It goes into some detail as why and to be honest it really does make sense for them. I would really support moving Rolen. I love the guy and he is a great person (met him at spring training) but I am a big supporter of building for 09' and we need to dump the salary. Thoughts?
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I know I spelled some words wrong.....sorry
It's not impossible...
Also, without Rolen...who starts at third for the BOB? Betimit?
Personally I hope we hold on to ScoRo. He's still the gold standard at the hot corner defensively, and I am confident he'll rebound to a 20-25 HR guy batting .290ish in '08. I guess the big hang-up is his relationship with Tony...GROW UP!
Trade proposal
Give Up:
Rolen
Bryan Anderson
Pj Walters
Get Back:
Ian Kennedy
Wilson Betemit
Now right off the bat some might be skeptical about this, but I feel its an incredibly smart trade for both teams. Posada is old, and even in his current contract discussions its accepted that by the end of his latest 3 year deal he will be DHing. The Yankees have a need for a young catching prospect to take his place, and while they don't need him right now they will in another year or two - exactly when Anderson is expected to hit the majors. Him and Rolen alone might not be enough to get Kennedy back though - a young starting pitcher is a pretty valuable commodity these days - and so I think we should also include PJ Walters, someone who has had some great success in the minors but still has some big question marks about how his stuff wil translate to the bigs. If not Walters, then some other middling prospect, a B level guy.
Ian Kennedy would also help us a great deal, shoring up our rotation and helping to make us younger and cheaper. Betemit could be a solid fill in guy for us, but hopefully he would only be our fallback option and we could pursue a better option at third.
Personally I would love it if we made a run at A-Rod (I can't help it, seeing him and pujols batting 3-4 would be just orgasmic, and with duncan batting 5 spot, jimmy 6 and eventually rasmus at #1 or 2???? foget about it, we are immediately back on top within a year). But even if we don't get A-ROD, there are still plenty of better options at 3rd this winter than Rolen at 13 million a season. If Tejada was willing to move over, he is definitely on the block. Also Uribe, Andy LaRoche, Chone Figgins, Lowell - people we could maybe get and save Rasmus.
My only question for you Cardsphan04 is where you heard reports about the Yanks looking at Rolen? I'd love to see the article if you can still find it.
by jnangle472 @ Viva El Birdos on Nov 6, 2007 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Intelligent post...
I think that this is a possible solution for the Cards with Rolen, although I don't think we're getting 100% value, the Yankees picking up his entire paycheck is more than enough to push this deal into "must make" type of move. Kennedy is a solid SP prospect who could come in and shore up the back of the rotation and Betemit could at least be a small solution to the vacated 3B position if they can't sign anyone. If this deal could be made it would also make going after Tejada or Cabrera a much bigger possibility because we'd have $12 million off the books for the next three years.
That being said, if Cabrera and Tejada are on the block, why would the Yankees bother with trying to make a deal for an struggling 3B who's never played in the AL, is owed a ton of money for the next three seasons, and has a no trade clause? Angelos is stupid enough to trade Tejada to a division opponent, and Cabrera makes the most sense for the Yankees since A-Rod is off the books and their payroll will be dramatically lower in 2009 when he becomes a free agent (As if the Yankees care about payroll!!!)
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by Hardcore Legend on Nov 6, 2007 11:09 AM EST reply actions
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by Hardcore Legend on Nov 6, 2007 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Rolen
But if they wanted him and scotty wanted to leave then I would do it in a second.
If we dealt Rolen I would try to acquire Joe Crede with Josh Fields probably taking over at third the Sox might want to deal Crede.
Hes also coming off an injury so he might be cheaper to acquire then some other 3B options.
In reality,
No.
Is he ever going to hit the way he used to?
Probably not.
Is his salary an albatross?
Yes, but every team has at least one. With JED, we have two.
Are we dealing from a position of strength?
No.
Can we improve the team dramatically if we trade him?
Probably not.
I would wait on trading him. My guess is that if we stick him at #2 ahead of Albert, he'll have a good start to the season. Then we trade him in June if that makes sense.
Since we don't know what the Cards front office does about his shoulder, then we're just speculating. I say monitor and trade, not actively shop.
Look,
one question
by Birds on the Matt on Nov 6, 2007 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
but still
by Birds on the Matt on Nov 7, 2007 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
by tdub @ Viva El Birdos on Nov 6, 2007 1:06 PM EST reply actions
...Rolen
Unless Cashman wants to trade for him on the basis that he's going to be 100% in 08"...which I doubt!
by cardschinmusic on Nov 7, 2007 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
The counter argument is that
Meanwhile, under the same scenario, the current team is willing to let him go NOW, taking the bird in the hand (so to speak) for slightly less value, but allowing them to move on to other needs.
If any two teams ever met both of these alternative scenarios, it's the Cards and Yanks - the Yanks have the need, and have the ability to gamble, and the Cards really need that money to spend in other areas, and the farm talent the Yankees can provide. The question is, of course, what do the Yankees think of Scott Rolen's medical reports?
exactly my point
Yankees
However I have heard that there is a real chance at a Joe Crede for Johnny Damon trade. I guess the White Sox don't want a Boras client which Crede is. The only thing is Crede missed all of 07 with back surgery. I don't know who would be less risky, Rolen or Crede.
Anyone see this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21647171/

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