Percival to DRays Almost Done

by indakind on Nov 29, 2007 11:06 AM EST Comment 18 comments

Looks like the Cards won't have to offer arbitration to Troy Percival to get draft pick compensation. I would love to have him back but if there is an area the Cards can afford to let someone walk and still have a strangth, it is the bullpen. I would guess that if this deal is still not finalized by the 12/1 deadline to offer arbitration the Cards will offer it then...unless they have an agreement with Percival not to do so. Anyway here is the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3132471

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so....

if the Rays ink Percival before we offer/don't offer him Arb, then we get compensation (a pick)?

by siddfynch on Nov 29, 2007 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

If he signs with another team before the deadline to OFFER arbitration then the Cards automatically receive the compensation pick.

by indakind on Nov 29, 2007 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Disappointing

I liked him last year. He's got a toughness and demeanor that I think we need more of.

"Dude, we're running out of stadium" - said on the way to our seats in Section 428.

by bukowski on Nov 29, 2007 11:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Of course --

But he has the demeanor of a closer, which means he wants to close.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Nov 30, 2007 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going insane

This is a wild one: Kazmir makes the jump to be truly elite, Shields maintains/improves on last year, Garza steps up to be a true #2/3, 2 of Niemann/Mcgee/Davis fill out the rotation. Percival stays injury free as closer, Reyes stays effective in the 8th. Crawford/Upton/Pena/Longoria/(a healthy)Iwamura/Gomes/Bartlett/(healthy) Baldelli is a pretty decent lineup. I think I'm up to about 5 'Ifs" already. I would say "Dukes stays sane" too but that's impossible.

...say Jeter/Posada age as old guys at SS/C do, A-Rod regresses to 2006 numbers, Pettite retires, throw an injury at Wang or something (the k-rate catches up?)....the Holy Trinity of Untradable Pitching Prospects don't really pan out, could the Rays possibly jump the Yanks??

I know it takes 10 ifs to get there, but that's a better chance than they've ever had.

Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Nov 29, 2007 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

adding bartlett

will go a long way towards making kazmir "truly elite". It'll help the rest of the pitchers as well. He's got a great glove, and he's replacing a terrible one.

I can't think of any reason not to offer Percival arbitration; if he accepts, our bullpen is stronger.

If he doesn't and still wants to sign with someone, he's a type "B" free agent. Teams receive supplemental picks for losing type B free agents, but the gaining team does not lose a pick, so shouldn't impact Percival's contract negotiations. The only reason the "gentleman's agreement" meme makes sense is if he was a type "a" free agent, which he is not.

It's easier not to make the mistake than to make the mistake and try to fix it. -Mo

by SleepyCA on Nov 29, 2007 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention

No more BJ Upton at 2nd (though who knows what Iwamura will be) and Upton should improve in CF with more time under his belt. Longoria to 3rd is apparently a pretty good fielder, Young dropping out of RF hurts the D but if Baldelli stays healthy that isn't too big a dip.

How the fuck am I talking myself into the Rays taking a light year leap??

Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Nov 29, 2007 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder what the vegas odds are

On TB for the AL wild card in '08? Or just "finishing higher than the yankees"?

It's easier not to make the mistake than to make the mistake and try to fix it. -Mo

by SleepyCA on Nov 29, 2007 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This should be the rays

best team, by far. It's still one of the toughest, if not the toughest, division in baseball but they'll be competitive, at least.

by chuckb on Nov 29, 2007 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Rotoworld is reporting it's now done

2 years, $8M.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=MLB

So does our supplemental pick come in whatever order the Rays would choose in a normal round? if so, it seems like it should be pretty high!

by siddfynch on Nov 29, 2007 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Not sure

I'm only sure that it would be a supplemental pick since Percival is a Type B free-agent. I would assume it would be high in the supplemental round b/c both the Rays and the Cards had bad records.

by indakind on Nov 29, 2007 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, I guess

it would either be #1 (the Rays spot) or #13 (the Cards spot). big difference there, though.

by siddfynch on Nov 29, 2007 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

answer

found out its based on our record. of course its not like every team with a worse record than ours is going to sign a type b free-agent and be ahead of us. so more likely it will be somewhere in the 35-40 range overall.

by indakind on Nov 29, 2007 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bad answer!

I wanted to hear that we got the Rays' spot!

But thanks for the research.

by siddfynch on Nov 29, 2007 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not the answer I wanted either

But the pick should still be in the first few picks of the sandwich round.

by indakind on Nov 30, 2007 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I do not believe that is correct

The pick would be based on Percival's rank among type B free agents.

All type teams receiving compensation for type A free agents AND type B free agents who were ranked higher, will pick in front of the Cardinals in the supplemental round.

This is all assuming that Percival actually SIGNS the deal before the arbitration deadline. From what I have heard he has only Agreed to the deal at this point.

Let's build for '09...

by Born in 82 on Nov 30, 2007 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You may be right

The compensation system is difficult to find definitive information about. You are right that he must sign today before the arbitration deadline tomorrow though. I would assume the Cards would offer arbitration if it goes to the deadline though.

by indakind on Nov 30, 2007 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs