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Holiday Wishes. Tidbits. the Draft, Two.

The Charlie Brown Thanksgiving special was on television last night.  I really enjoy watching the Charlie Brown holiday specials, although I do have to admit the Thanksgiving one was probably the weakest of the autumn/ winter specials.  (I'm as ardently non religious an individual as you're likely to find, and even I get all warm and fuzzy when Linus starts quoting Bible verses at the end of the Christmas Special.)  I've always liked the Thanksgiving holiday itself, also.  There seems to be a lot less that can go wrong or be perverted with a holiday that basically just calls for a little bit of reflection, a little bit of appreciation, and lots of food.  Not a bad deal, all in all.  

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.  If you're travelling, please be careful.  Regardless of what you're doing, I hope you get at least a moment or two to consider the positve things in life.  I'm not a very positive person in general, but when I stop and look at the big picture, the world is almost incomprehensibly beautiful.  Try to see it, at least a little.  Life is much too long not to take what joy you can find.  

As for the world of baseball, and recent events:  

The Cardinals added five players to the forty man roster.  Kyle McClellan, Jason Motte, Mark Worrel, and Mike Parisi are all pitchers, with Parisi the only starter of the group.  Jarret Hoffpauir, one of our favourite topics of conversation around here, was also added.  Andy Cavazos and Brian Falkenborg were removed to make room.  I'm really excited to see Worrell's name on there.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a world beater, but I've seen him throw several times, and I love his delivery.  I have a thing for pitchers with sort of odd motions anyway, and his is very odd.  Overall, I like the move of stockpiling and protecting relief talent, as it gives you very nice flexibility to add to the pen as needed.  McClellan's a local boy, I'll be rooting for him.  

Everyone is saying that the recent events involving Alex Rodriguez and Kenny Rogers indicates that players are really starting to wise up to Scott Boras's way of doing business.  I don't buy it.  In these particular cases, both players saw that Boras wasn't getting them what they really wanted.  Rogers wanted to stay where he was, rather than playing the market; almost the exact same situation came up in one of Andy Benes' last years with the Cardinals.  Benes' wife stepped in and made sure a deal got done to stay in St. Louis; it looks as if Mr. Rogers did pretty much the same thing.  ARod saw how badly they had overestimated the market for his services and decided he had better cross back over the bridge he had just set fire to, before it fell into the river entirely.  Players will still flock to Boras to get the pay day, and then there will always be some who don't want to leave a good situation, or go into a bad one, over a little extra money.  I don't think it changes that much on Boras' side in the long run.  I could be wrong, though.  

I like the Jason LaRue signing.  He's a nice defensive catcher, he definitely has shown the capacity to hit better, (or at least with more pop) than Gary Bennett, and he's not costing much.  ($850,000)  Backup catcher is never an impact move, but I think the Cards did a nice job of picking up a solid role player to complement the team.  Not too bad.  

Last week, I started covering Jeff Luhnow's drafts with the Cardinals.  I started with his first, the 2005 edition.  I'll continue that this week with 06, after the jump.  

Star-divide

First off, I'd like to correct a couple of omissions on my part from last week's post.  The esteemed Mr. Borowsky emailed me, making his case for me to have included Mike Parisi in the possible hopes to help redeem the 2004 draft.  He assumed I just didn't think Parisi had a chance; that's not the case at all.  I just flat out forgot all about Parisi.  You see, I don't draft these things or anything, I just sit down and type them as you see them, making it up as I go.  So I'm bound to miss some things, and Mike Parisi was one of them.  From the scouting reports I've seen, Parisi has a nice fastball with some pretty good sink, a very good curve, and not much else.  Some other pitches have been tried in his repertoire, with pretty limited success.  His upside is probably relatively modest, but I think he could at least be as good as Brad Thompson.  It may not sound like much, but every 6th starter/ swingman you're not paying FA market price for is that much more cash you have to throw at someone who can make a real impact.  Particularly after reading some of the positive things Dyar Miller had to say about him a couple of days ago in conjunction with everything else I've heard, Parisi seems to be at least be worth paying attention to in Spring Training next season.  My apologies for the omission, Mr. Parisi.  

The other one was brought to my attention by a commenter last week.  Kenny Maiques was a 37th round pick in 2005.  He spent all of 2005 and most of 2006 rehabbing from Tommy John surgery, (four days before the draft, by the way) and closed games for Quad Cities this year.  He was outstanding, setting new records for saves both for the Swing and the MidWest League as a whole, if I remember correctly.  The Cards are thinking about moving him back into a starting job in 2008, the role he occupied in his junior college career.  Maiques is actually one of my favourite guys in the system; you can see a little bit of Roy Oswalt in him.  He's not real big, he throws hard, great breaking ball, (although Maiques throws a slider, not a curve) and he really just sort of leaps off the mound at the hitter.  I love the aggresiveness in his overall use of his body.  His arm action has been questioned in the past, but he's cleaned it up since entering pro ball, and hopefully, that will help to keep him healthy.  I apologise for the oversight to Mr. Maiques as well.  

Alright.  Entering the 2006 draft, the Cardinals faced a draft without the absolute windfall of picks they had enjoyed in 2005.  They picked only once in the first round, and the last pick at that.  I wouldn't trade the higher draft pick for the best record in baseball that year, but it does make a little tougher to nab an impact talent, particularly one who's close to the bigs.  The team did have a supplemental first round choice.  They picked twice in the second round, then had a sandwich pick after that round as well.  

We discussed last week that the extra picks at the top of the draft in 05 may have made the Cardinals more comfortable taking some gambles.  We can see right off the bat in 2006 that that assumption holds at least some water.  With their first pick, 30th overall, the Cards took Adam Ottavino, a junior out of Northeastern University.  

At first, I wasn't a big fan of this pick.  I had immediate flashbacks to the first pick in 2004.  Another college righty from a school in the Northeast.  Another guy with velocity, but control issues.  Another guy who, despite being a college pitcher, was seen as being very "raw", relative to his age.  Another guy with mechanical questions.  Great, I thought.  Chris Lambert v. 2.0.  The more I heard about Ottavino, though, the more I liked the pick.  He put up mediocre numbers in college, but was occasionally dominant.  He threw against the Red Sox in Spring Training and struck out one guy, breaking the other two hitters' bats.  He has great velocity, sitting at 93-94, touching up to the 97 mark.  He also had a lot of filling out to do, meaning he had a real chance to add to his power package.  

Now, a year and a half later, I'm back to being more pessimistic on Adam.  He definitely has the stuff, but his control has been very shaky since he entered pro ball.  The main reason for these problems, and an occasional tendency toward the long ball, are related to his delivery.  He's much too passive for my tastes with his lower body, meaning he's trying to develop too much power with just his arm.  Even worse, he tends to tilt back in delivery, allowing his center of gravity to shift too much, leading to pitches up in the zone and poor command.  (for the record, when I say he leaves a pitch up as if it's a bad thing, I mean it's a bad think when he leaves a ball up that was supposed to be down.  There's a real art to pitching in the upper part of the zone, and you'll get killed if you're not trying to elevate on purpose.)  He has a very good slider, and some scouts have said he'd make a good reliever.  I'm down on him largely because of his delivery; I'm just not a believer in him.  I hope I'm wrong.  

In the supplemental first, the Cards took Chris Perez.  This was a very nice pick.  Perez, despite his control problems, has proven to be one of the lest hittable pitchers in the game, posting ridiculous BAA numbers.  Chris has flown throught the system as well, ending this year in AAA.  He needs to tame the movement on his fastball a little bit, but he's very nearly ready to contribute to the big club right now.  

Both of the Cards' first round picks here were college pitchers.  We can see an attempt to improve the depth at that position, but we can also see how the strategy differed markedly from the previous draft.  In 2005, there were several picks right up in the first round or two, enabling the team to be much more aggressive, without worrying so much about guys possibly making it.  Here, they felt they couldn't afford to gamble with top tier talent, and it shows.  Now, don't get me wrong, they still came away with some attractive talent, but you can clearly see the difference in approach when you compare Rasmus, Herron, McCormick, etc., to Ottavino and Perez.  In the former, you're looking at high upsides, often with significant risks to match.  In the latter, you still have good upside, but you're looking more at guys with longer track records, with more statistical indicators, from major college programs.  Both the ceilings and the floors of the latter group are more moderate than the 05 draftees.  

In the second round, the Cards had two picks.  With the first, at #55, I believe, they took Brad Furnish, a left handed starter out of Texas Christian University.  Furnish is one of my personal favourites, with a big, Rich Hill like curve, above average velocity for a lefty, and a changeup that looks as if it could develop into a pretty good pitch.  He throws his heater in the 88-92 range when he's healthy, touching 94.  He did have some cleanup work done on bone spurs in his elbow late in the year, though, and we've seen how all that can work out.  So, for the moment, Furnish looks very promising, but there are some question marks.  

Furnish, to me, is very interesting.  At the time, he was seen as a bit of an overdraft.  He was widely projected to go in the 4th round, and the Cards popped him early in the 2nd.  I haven't seen too many comments regarding him, but the few I have indicate that the Cardinals identified something in him that they really liked and weren't willing to take the chance on waiting that he might be snatched up by some other team.  This is doubly intriguing, because Furnish is a heavily flyball oriented pitcher, working up and out of the zone with his fastball to get popups and Ks, while using his curve as a setup pitch.  He's directly opposed to the organisational philosophy, and yet they reached to get him.  I find that fascinating.  So far, Furnish's performance has been strong, but the injury now clouds his future.  Hopefully, he's healthy, and we can see some more evidence as to whether or not the Cards really did overdraft him.  

The second pick in the second round came at the very end, at 74/75.  The Cards took Jon Jay, an OF from Miami.  Jay presents a very similar prospect as Furnish.  A lot of teams saw Jay as a fourth outfielder.  He's just an adequate center fielder, and he lacks the power to profile for a corner.  The Cards, though, saw something in him and took him a round or two earlier than he was expected to go.  The thing about Jay is, he hits like Tony Gwynn.  This year he was hurt, and never got untracked, but in his debut he hit something like .342, with good on base skills, and enough speed to swipe a few bases.  We see a little bit of an unconventional profile here for a guy who would most likely end up in left field, and yet his overall skill package should make him a premium talent.  

The Cards also had a pick in the second supp. round, and they took Mark Hamilton with it.  Hamilton is a 1b out of Tulane University.  Hamilton is not a very good fielder, he doesn't run well, and he can't switch postions.  What he does have, though, is power.  Lots of power.  He hit a home run during a workout, I believe, in Houston, that went over the train tracks in left field.  Impressed?  You should be more impressed.  He's left handed.  Mark also has a nice batting eye, in an Adam Dunn-ish sort of way.  (He walks and strikes out both, quite a bit.)  He's blocked in the system, but he's still a very intriguing player, either as a trade piece, or as a potential bench player for a few years while he's cheap.  

In the second round, the Cards took three players who were all very difficult to rate.  All three of them had certain facets to their gamess that seemed to place them high up in the draft, and all three had significant question marks.  Here, we can see a definite, specific quality to the type of evaluation and scouting the Cardinals are doing.  Overall, the returns on these three players have been quite good so far.  Jay has been somewhat disappointing, as he got hurt this season and never really got a chance to show much of anything.  Both Furnish and Hamilton have performed very well to this point, with Hamilton being a borderline top 10 prospect, and Furnish probably going in the 15-20 range.  Again, the ceilings on these guys may not be massive, but their floors are pretty respectable.  I think we're seeing a pretty strong pattern in this draft.  

In round three, the Cards contemplated taking Tommy Pham, an uber athletic SS/RHP out of a Las Vegas high school.  Pham's agent, though, oversold their bonus demands, and scared the Cards, as well as several other teams, off.  (side note: Pham fired his agent after the draft)  So instead, they took Gary Daley Jr.  Daley is a RHP out of Cal Poly, I believe.  (but don't hold me to that)  Daley is a real head scratcher to me.  He seemed like a pretty good pick at the time, hell of an arm, fastball at 93-95, big time curveball, major college product.  However, Daley hasn't produced much at all since turning pro, with two very forgettable seasons under his belt, and some injury problems on top of that.  He was ranked the 24th best college player in the nation going into 2006, (six spots ahead of Tim Lincecum, I believe) but things have really gone downhill for him since then.  Like I said, I can't get a read on Daley.  No idea what to think of the guy.  Oh well.  

Later on in the draft, the Cards continued to load up on college players.  They continued to select guys with strong track records, and most of a pretty similar profile.  They took a ton of small, high average/no power center fielders.  Jim Rapoport, Shane Robinson, and Nathan Southard are all examples of this particular profile.  This is the sort of thing that really puzzles me.  They loaded up on a whole lot of low ceiling, 4th at best outfield type players.  It sort of fits with the rest of the draft, though, I guess.  They seemed to be focusing on trying to build depth with this draft, rather than going for the stars.  

As for some of the other picks in the middle rounds, they took Eddie Degerman in the 5th out of Rice.  He throws like Iron Mike, but he seems like he could be pretty useful as a reliever.  They took one of their higher upside picks, Jon Edwards, in the 14th.  He's a high school OF, with massive size, (6'5", 230) power to go with it, and a cannon of an arm.  He could end up being a monster right fielder, or he could end up a bust.  He's certainly one of the most interesting risks of this particular draft, though.  

The Cardinals also took Tommy Pham, (remember him?) in the 16th round, gave him the same bonus they gave Daley, and brought him into the fold.  After a year and a half, it's not looking so good for Pham.  He's already been moved off of SS, (too soon, in my opinion) and he's hit so poorly that there have been rumours that the Cards might consider moving him back to the mound.  

Isa Garcia -2b, 34th round
Mark Shorey- OF, 31st round
David Carpenter- C, 12th round

All three of these players had really great debuts, then failed to make much of a splash in their first full seasons.  Again, all fit a pretty similar profile.  Really, the Cardinals went heavy on depth in this draft, trying to build up the overall system after years of poor drafting.  They did, however, make a pretty big splash with one late round pick.  

In the 41st round, the Cardinals took Mitch Canham, a draft eligible sophomore catcher out of Oregon State.  Shortly after the draft, Canham lead them to the College World Series title.  The Cardinals had some preliminary discussions with him, but nothing ever really came close to materialising.  So, this left handed hitting, plus offensive catcher went back to school for his junior year.  This is the sort of thing that really upsets me with the Cardinals' drafting habits.  They went for low ceiling, high floor talent for most of the draft, then took a really unusual talent late in the draft and didn't sign him.  To me, any time you consider a player worth spending a draft pick on, you should sign him.  Period.  If you're not convinced he's worth bringing into the fold, don't pick him.  If you don't want to match his price, don't pick him.  When it comes down to it, as has been discussed here and elsewhere, the rate of return on the money you spend in the draft is exponentially greater than what you can get out of the FA market.  I strongly disagree with trying to cut costs in the draft.  When you consider that the team just gave Joel Pineiro $13 million dollars, and you consider that someone like Rick Porcello got $7 million, and the Tigers control him for around six years, the draft is by far the most efficient way to bring in the talent you need to compete and win.  Alright, that's enough of my ranting.  The whole Canham thing just irks me.  

We can't be quite as sure of what the Cardinals got out of this draft as we can the 2005 edition.  The track record for this group of players isn't as large, and what performance we can measure has come at lower levels, making it less valuable as a predictor.  That being said, the 2006 draft focused on a different sort of player, and the organisation got a different sort of result.  There isn't anyone in this group that has the kind of upside of a Colby Rasmus.  There doesn't appear to be many players in this group that really even project to be big league regulars.  However, there is still a certain amount of value in a draft like this.  In a way, it almost appears that Luhnow and Co. were approaching building the farm system much the same way you would build a team.  First, you establish your core, to have a solid base.  Guys like Rasmus, Herron, possibly Anderson, Garcia, etc., form that high upside core of players.  Then you try to fill in the rest of the roster with solid, if unspectacular, players.  The 06 draft was very much this sort of draft.  They took a lot of college players, many of whom the type who should move up the ladder quickly, to form a good secondary group of players to draw from.  I have no idea if that was part of the thought process or not, but it's certainly interesting, to me at least, to consider.  

We also have another group of data to consider as far as Luhnow's performance goes.  This time around, they player it much safer at the top of the draft, going for fairly conservative, college players.  However, the college players the Luhnow targeted, at the top especially, were an interesting breed.  While most were products of major college programs, both Ottavino and Perez were more about potential ability, rather than current polish.  So we have a bit of a hybrid here.  Collegians, with a large statistical track record to be analysed, but players who were still seen as being fairly far from their ultimate ceiling.  

To me, the best part of this draft was some of the early middle round picks.  Guys like Perez, Hamilton, Jon Jay, Furnish, and even Degerman really appeal to me.  I think that whatever exact method that Luhnow and his cohorts use seems to do a pretty nice job of identifying promising players who may be slightly underrated, the Cardinals appear to reach by a round or two to draft the player, and end up with a nice player in a good drafting position.  There aren't any massive sleepers from this crop yet, like Maiques and Garcia from 2005, but the overall depth the team acquired in the middle rounds appears to be pretty solid.  

That's it for this installment.  I'll go ahead and do the 2007 draft next week, (although there are even less conclusions to be drawn) and then I think I'm going to work up an overall draft outline of what I would like to see, based on my personal preferences combined with what this group seems to be doing well.  thanks.  Again, I hope everyone has a nice holiday.  

Til next time.  

Update [2007-11-22 17:19:23 by the red baron]: Hey, thanks for the comments everyone. One of the commentors brought up Allen Craig and P.J. Walters from the 2006 draft. I had meant to include them, was considering the best order in which to include them. Unfortunately, I was a little pressed for time yesterday morning and ended up wrapping it up in hurry. (Yes, that's what I consider a hurry. I have major issues with brevity.) So, with all apologies for leaving the two of them out, both fall under the umbrella of the mid-round, middling upside college player. Both offer excellent depth at their respective positions, keeping with the overall direction of the draft. By far the best thing that the Cardinals did in the 2006 draft was to add a lot of these type guys, moderate ceiling, solid floor players. Craig in particular intrigues me; he seems like he might hit enough to be a real contributor. I've heard some varying reports on his defense though, so if someone knows how he is with the glove for sure, I would love the info. Hope everyone's having a nice holiday. Baron out.

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Re: Daley
Just going by the draft video, Daley landed REALLY open.  Compounding that was that he stood on the 1B side of the rubber.  There's no way he could pitch inside to a RH like that really.  I'd like to see him now, I loved the pick at the time because I thought that was such an easy fix to make.
Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Nov 21, 2007 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting.
I've never seen Daley pitch; I've never even bothered to check on a draft video of him or anything.  For some reason, he just completely eluded my notice.  You're right, though, that does seem like a relatively easy change to make.  I wonder if there's something else wrong with him?  Or did that change throw him all out of whack?  Or is he a head case?  See, now I care about Gary Daley.  I want to know why this guy isn't good.  
You bring home the turkey and I'll bring home the bacon.

by the red baron on Nov 21, 2007 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

More 2006 players
How does Marti fit in with the overall conservative draft philosophy?  Drafting superheroes seems like out-of-the-box thinking for the Cards.

A few other interesting players from the 2006 draft deserve mentioning.  Allen Craig (8th round) and Brandon Buckman (19th) seem like professional hitters with decent pop. Luke Gregerson (28th) has evidently caught the Cardinals interest as they sent him (eventually) to Arizona. D'Marcus Ingram (25th) was among the last draft and follows and showed good speed/power combo.  

by Silent George on Nov 21, 2007 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed
I think these folks spin this draft from a C to a B-.  Very important players to the overall draft...

by Lawless on Nov 21, 2007 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

International players aren't drafted
That's part of the attraction of those international academies--they players you get don't require draft picks.

by Valatan on Nov 21, 2007 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

International players
Marti had established US residency though, so was subject to the draft (the Cards selected him in the 18th round).  That's a plus and a minus to international players. You don't need to spend a draft pick on them, but when it comes to the few players that everyone agrees is a "can't miss" they will almost always go to the high bidder and the Cards will never outbid the Yankees or Red Sox.

by Silent George on Nov 21, 2007 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I,too, was frustrated
with the approach the club took w/ Mitch Canham.  This guy had all kinds of upside.  I suppose they waited until 41 b/c they knew he had no intention of leaving as a soph. but what if they had offered him 4th or 5th round money?  Like you, I didn't see the point in picking people like Robinson and Southard at all, or at least before about round 30.  If they're gone later, so what?

The club does need to pick more people like Edwards -- with big upside -- than it does people like Robinson.  I'm very lukewarm on Jay for that reason.  Maybe he'll be passable for a couple years but he's likely just a platoon player or 4th OF at best.  Maybe that philosophy will change now but when you see picks like that and then the club lowballing people like Kyle Russell, it seems very strange.  Maybe having Mo in charge this summer would have led to Russell being signed.  Who knows?

by chuckb on Nov 21, 2007 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

hey
do you have the link to see his delivery?
Bring up Bryan Anderson

by PujolsFan4Life5 on Nov 21, 2007 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Has anyone
mentioned yet that Edgar Gonzalez was picked up by San Diego. I know he's old, but I'm personally kind of disappointed that we didn't hold on to him.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Nov 21, 2007 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

why?
The dude's 31 yrs old. in AAA. and was ranked one of the worst defensive 2nd basemen in the minors.

by Birds on the Matt on Nov 21, 2007 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Marshall McDougall
They picked up Marshall McDougall, too, someone I've wanted the Cards to pick up for a while now.

Padres are stockpiling the good-bat, no-glove AAA depth.

by liam on Nov 21, 2007 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken,
Edgar is Adrian's brother.  That might be why they picked him up.  The Padres also need anyone that might manage a hit once in awhile.  Their offense stinks.

by jillsinmo on Nov 21, 2007 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's go Kirkwood beat Webster!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.  
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Nov 21, 2007 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

GO WEBSTER!!!!
Can't let that go unchecked my friend!!
Happy Tday to all!

by Timbo02 on Nov 21, 2007 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

haha I'm going to the game for the first time.....
...in about 10 yrs.  Kirkwood looks pretty tough - but you never know with this game.  This is the 100th installment by the way.  I think the WG Statesmen hold a slight series edge.  
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Nov 21, 2007 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Have a great Time GB
I envy you! ...stuck here in SoCal and last went to the game in the mid 90's if I remember correctly. Kirkwood is indeed the HEAVY favorite but?... all records go out the window on this one! Grew up in Webster but went to high school in Kirkwood (Vianney) so used to know a lot of people on both sides of the field. Have a great time and hope it's a fantastic game!!  

by Timbo02 on Nov 21, 2007 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

KIRKWOOD SUCKS!!
WG!!!

must say something cardinals related: any truth to the eckstein to angels tidbits floating around?

happy t-day

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 21, 2007 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy 87th Birthday, Stan the Man
 See link below (someday I will learn how to properly insert links)

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/danoneill/story/E7F542CD8A2286F08625739A0014A 7E0?OpenDocument

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Nov 21, 2007 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

and i see there is already
a diary up with the link inserted properly- sorry about that!
When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Nov 21, 2007 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Another excellent read, TRB
I'm lovin' this Cardinals draft edu-ma-cation you're giving me.

"I don't know nuthin' bout berthin' no drafts, Miss Scarlet!"

Thanks for another detailed, informative and entertaining read.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Nov 21, 2007 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

happy Thanksgiving to all of you
thanks to Mr. Red Baron, mr ElBoros and all other VEB posters for all the interesting posts. reading this blog i feel like learning a lot about the Cardinals and baseball in general. thank you all.
"bury the dead, feed the survivors and rebuild the city" (marques do pombal, 1777)

by Johnny64 on Nov 21, 2007 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Missing a few?
Talk of the 2006 draft w/o mentioning Walters or Craig seems incomplete.

by cariocacardinal on Nov 21, 2007 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Help me understand draft strategy
first of all, fantastic posts regarding the cardinals' recent drafts.  i'm certainly learning a lot about the approach the organization has taken in recent years.

for me, it would be helpful to understand what the high level objectives are for the draft, and whether different organizations have different objectives.  understanding that would provide context when evaluating the card's drafting strategies.

maybe i'm oversimplifying, but it seems to me that the goal of the draft should be to yield one starting pitcher, one starting position player, and 3-4 bench players / relievers.  if you can replace 2 out of the 13 starters (5 pichers, 8 position players) each year, you'll have enough quality, inexpensive young talent to use your budget on impact free agents.  to me, the braves epitomize this ability to inject one or two young starters each year.

taking it a step further, if that's your strategy, shouldn't the goal of every single draft pick to select the prospect with the highest possible ceiling?  this notion of "building organizational depth" seems like a losing strategy.  you don't need 40 players out of a draft--drafting AAAA players doesn't help you at all.  why not reach for the highest ceiling possible to maximize your chances of landing impact major league players?

by Knish on Nov 22, 2007 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

Drafting
I like drafting HS pitchers with high upside early.  Here is why.

June draft  HS pitcher age 18
June draft  College pitcher age 21

The HS pitcher can pitch 3 full minor league seasons until he even turns 21.  Pitchers develope slower so the more minor league innings they can log the better.  By the time a college pitcher logs 3 minor league seasons he is 24 and getting close to the age where you are no longer a prospect.  The theory with the college guy is he is closer to MLB ready but I don't really by it.  College pitchers still need to learn to pitch to guys hitting with wood bats.  I will take a young guy have him pitch 4-5 minor league seasons and he can hit the show at age 22 or 23.

I think the Cardinals have not drafted enough young high ceiling type guys.  Look at Pete Kozma, so scouts compared him to Mark Loretta.  Now  you don't waste a #1 pick on Mark Loretta.  You draft Mark Loretta guys a bit later.  There was a pitcher Rick Porcello I believe STL should have drafted.  The Cardinals have no real stud starting pitcher in the minors at this point.  For some reason every team has it's own problems.  The Cubs are great at drafting pitchers but very poor at drafting position players.

I would like to see STL take more HS arms early in the draft.

by ICbirdfan on Nov 22, 2007 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

red barron wins the award for longest post EVER
joking dude.

good stuff all around.

good stuff.

Happy Birthday Stan THE MAN. may you have many more.

have fun stuffing your faces every one.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Nov 22, 2007 3:28 AM EST reply actions  

so few comments
I really enjoyed this article.

Great job, cant wait for the next one

by jealousblues on Nov 22, 2007 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

+1
comments don't do the post's quality justice.  This should almost be reposted next week so more people see it... Boo for holidays, cutting into our quality baseball talk!

Just kidding, happy thanksgiving everyone!

It's easier not to make the mistake than to make the mistake and try to fix it. -Mo

by SleepyCA on Nov 22, 2007 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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