Garland/O. Cabrera Trade

by joecardsfan on Nov 19, 2007 1:48 PM EST Comment 33 comments

By now I am sure most of us have heard that the Angels and White Sox completed a trade sending Garland our west for Orlando Cabrera and some cash. On the surface it seems pretty even, but the main thing that could be beneficial to us is that this now gives the Angels a ridiculous amount of starting pitching - some of which they could be looking to move for an impact bat. My initial thought would be to work out a trade centering around Ervin Santana and Chris Duncan. I am not sure though as to his contract status. I only found that he signed a one year deal last March ('07). However, I think this would benefit both teams. While I know Santana did not have a great year last year, he is young, nasty, and he will eat innings.

What are everyone's thoughts??

Poll

Who would most likely be traded to get pitching from the Angels?

C. Duncan

41 votes

R. Ludwick

1 votes

S. Rolen

29 votes

C. Rasmus

0 votes

B. Anderson

5 votes

J. Edmonds

1 votes

R. Ankiel

4 votes

Other

7 votes

88 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs | Comment 33 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Dream on....

The Angels are in on Miggy Cabrera and Santana and/or Saunders will be included on that deal. Angels seem to be focused on upgrading 3b and keeping Kotchman at 1st.

by FunkeeC on Nov 19, 2007 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Too bad

Would love to see them flip Rolen to the Angels for Rolen.

The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Nov 19, 2007 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What I heard was

that the two key pieces that the Marlins wanted from the Angels for Miggy were Howie Kendrick and Nick Adenhart.

Guess we'll see.

by joecardsfan on Nov 19, 2007 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and...

Those 2 were the ones that Angels are more hesitant to give up. The starting points were I think Wood and Santana/Saunders plus the 2 you mention.

by FunkeeC on Nov 19, 2007 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What about Uribe?

White Sox signed Uribe to a one-year 4.5 MM contract. Is Juan Uribe really worth that much money to ride the pine? I certainly don't think the White Sox would give up Garland for Cabrera to put him on the bench, either.

This has all the makings of a set-up move. I think Cabrera could be moving elsewhere...any guesses?

by lightbulb on Nov 19, 2007 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Or...

Uribe could move over to 2B. Guess that makes more sense.

by lightbulb on Nov 19, 2007 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

My best bet is on Uribe sharing time with Richar as he builds himself up to a starting role.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Nov 19, 2007 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Uribe

I think the thoght is that the Sox are going to trade Uribe. They actually signed him for less than expected so he can be traded to a team for some sort of minor league player. He has such good tools he may get a decent minor league player. Too bad Uribe can't fully use the tools he has.

by ICbirdfan on Nov 19, 2007 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Santana

wouldn't be bad, but I'd rather not trade Duncan for him. Santana had a horrible year last year . . . very similar to Reyes. Do you think another team would give up a player of Duncan's caliber for Reyes? Probably not, so why should we do the same for Santana?

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Nov 19, 2007 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

aren't

the Sox about to lose Iguchi in free agency?

by The Butcher on Nov 19, 2007 4:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

They traded Iguchi

To the Phillies during the season.

by mateodh on Nov 19, 2007 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

woops

I remember that now. Sorry

by The Butcher on Nov 19, 2007 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

this is preparing the Angels to make a run at Miguel Cabrera. They'll replace O. Cabrera probably w/ Brandon Wood and trade pitching and others to the Marlins for Miguel Cabrera.

BTW, Duncan is way too much for Ervin Santana. Now, if we also got Macier Izturis and tried him at SS -- that's worth considering.

by chuckb on Nov 19, 2007 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed....

Duncan is WAY too much to only get Santana in return.

However, how about this.

Duncan and Flores

for

Santana, Izturis/Aybar, and Shields

The Angels are real light from the left side in the pen, and Speier is more than capable of filling Shields shoes.

I'd rather have Aybar in the above mentioned deal.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 19, 2007 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

why would a team trade for Flores

when they can pluck a generic LOOGY from the minors and get the same results?

by azruavatar on Nov 19, 2007 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

over value

I believe a lot of people over value the Cardinals talent be it MLB or minor league.

by ICbirdfan on Nov 19, 2007 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Duncan

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 19, 2007 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Question?

Would you trade Anthony Reyes, Hoffpauir/Ryan and Ryan Franklin for Nick Markakis and Brad Burres?

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 19, 2007 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

Well, as you can see he's obviously not the centerpiece of the deal. Duncan is. He's the reason they would be interested in a deal.

Flores is a throw in.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 19, 2007 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure Flores would survive in the AL

and he's a fringe reliever in the NL. I understand he isn't the centerpiece but after this year he'll be eligible for arbitration.

by azruavatar on Nov 20, 2007 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Flores...

He signed a two year deal after the '06 season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2729243

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 20, 2007 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

right

so "after this year he'll be eligible for arbitration." I hope the Cardinals dump him because he isn't worth more than 1M a year.

by azruavatar on Nov 20, 2007 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

I was thinking that he earned the right of free agency because he was signed to a multi-year deal while arb eligible.

I've been wrong many times though.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 20, 2007 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

not unless there's a special clause in his

contract. I was really surprised when they gave a 2-year guaranteed deal to him last year given how fringy of a reliever he is (even if it was just 1.8M dollars). It looks like he was going to be a super-2. Some Japanese players get those types of clauses in their contracts (Iguchi) but I'm pretty sure Flores will still be under team control.

by azruavatar on Nov 20, 2007 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong Miguel

It'll be Miguel Tejada.

by Big Red on Nov 19, 2007 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Im in agreement

that it should not be a straight up deal. My thought was that those would be the key pieces to get the ball rolling.

by joecardsfan on Nov 19, 2007 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ground ball through the hole ...

I think Miguel Cabrera is the most underrated player in the majors, but a Miggy/Wood left side of the infield would be a horrific defensive alignment (worse than the Marlins' current state). It would give them a lot of pop, though, and finally move Garrett Anderson out of the cleanup spot. But that team has always valued defense, so it would be a change of pace.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." - Jim Bouton

by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Nov 20, 2007 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Garland

Not to mention they just traded for a "ground ball" pitcher. I think it would be in the Angels best option to have a solid defense around Garland.

by ICbirdfan on Nov 20, 2007 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cabrera...

How is he underrated?

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Nov 20, 2007 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My thoughts exactly

How can a guy who has been called the next Manny Ramirez possibly be considered underrated? ManRam is a moderately competent big league hitter of baseballs, no?

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 21, 2007 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

With Cabrera gone...

...so much for my hopes of nabbing SS prospect Sean Rodriguez for Reyes, a reliever or two and a backup outfielder while the Angels were fairly deep in SS prospects.

The kid has a ways to go in holding down an MLB SS position, but the pop in his bat and raw talent was something to watch when The Travelers visited Hammons Field in 07'.

Keep Duncan...no Santana!

Improve the Cardinals team spirit, integrity and positive public image...sign Bonds for 08'!

by cardschinmusic on Nov 20, 2007 6:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

i agree

i saw him play for the Rancho Cucamonga quakes a while back and fell in love. I think he makes more sense as a post-Scott Rolen 3B-man though.

It's easier not to make the mistake than to make the mistake and try to fix it. -Mo

by SleepyCA on Nov 20, 2007 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats probably accurate...!!

...3rd base or a corner outfield spot?? He was one of a handful of opposition AA hitters thru the season that made the entire Redbirds defense start rockin back and forth on their feet when he came to the plate, had me rocking on the front of my seat.

Made some great plays and booted some routine stuff as well. Cuts down SOs, errors and hits a little more for average, he's worth ponying up to make a big trade for. A player for the next 6 years that will hammer the ball.

Improve the Cardinals team spirit, integrity and positive public image...sign Bonds for 08'!

by cardschinmusic on Nov 21, 2007 2:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs