3rd basemen

by stlfan on Nov 15, 2007 9:44 PM EST

Now that ARod is off the market, per http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112799 what do you all think will happen with the rest of the third base market?

Lowell will most definitely re-sign with Boston (that's my guess.) After that, does Crede stay in Chicago? Who knows...what do you think?

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I guess

The Angels and the Dodgers bid for Miggy. The loser calls Mo about Scottie. Mo must sell Rolen as a healthy guy who will put up 2006 numbers. If no one buys it then we keep 'em.

Outside of that I really have no clue.

by nybirdfan on Nov 15, 2007 9:39 PM EST 0 recs

Market

I don't think it increase's any more interest in Scott.

If you were/are a team that needs a 3B you would better at least put a feeler out for A Rod. After that it would be your best interest to look into Miggy. I guess from there some would argue that Lowell may be a good 3B to go after. Some people would say stay away from him.

Scott was not on the high priority list. He was hurt and was still at best the 3rd best option as a 3B. Crede is probably in a worse situation than Rolen. He had back surgery and missed all of last season, so who knows how he will be.

I don't think Scott is a hot item just because A Rod and Lowell look to be locked up. I would think Miggy is #1 and then from there it depends how desparate a team is. I see Rolen as a desparate option not a hot commodity.

by ICbirdfan on Nov 15, 2007 9:54 PM EST up 0 recs

LA or LA of A

If the Dodgers win the Miggy sweepstakes, I'm pretty sure Scott Rolen will start next season in Cardinal red. I just don't think the Angels would make an offer that we'd accept, they're a little more tight fisted with their prospects then the Dodgers and Ned Colletti are.

Ned, on the other hand, can't wait to give his guys away for any established veteran. He's like Jocketty without the brains. If the Angels bag Miggy, I think they'd be pretty interested in Rolen. They were linked to him around the trading deadline last season, and they seem pretty intent on stupidly buying a vet to block their studly third base prospect.

I'm not saying it'll happen, but I'd be more than happy if we sent Rolen and a fair chunk of cash to the Dodgers in exchange for LaRoche. Add Reyes or Thompson maybe? Hell, they can have Allen Craig, too. Maybe he'll be ready by the time whatever high priced vet they sign hangs it up or leaves town.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Nov 15, 2007 11:56 PM EST up 0 recs

I like this line

"He's like Jocketty without the brains"

Tinseltown was all up in arms about seemingly everything DePodesta did there, and as far as I know he was the guy in charge when they got Loney, Kemp, Ethier, LaRoche, and Young. Bill "I'm an idiot" Plaschke went so far as to call the guy Google Boy, very mature indeed after all.

All Colletti has done is effectively block those guys with genius signings like Juan Pierre (OPS+ of negative 644) for 5 years and 44 million. The would have been better off taking that money and burning it, or perhaps buying 44 million dollars worth of funnel cakes, I don't know. To compound things they had Griddle Little managing with his head firmly in his ass, bolting James Loney to the pine while Nomar hit a double once in every other blue moon (until he absolutely had to play the kid, and holy shit he's actually pretty good, who'd a guessed?) and playing Luis Gonzalez as he did his best impersonation of, well, his octogenarian self. It would be like if LaRussa had Pujols and Rasmus come up in the same season and bolt them to pine for Scott Spiezio and Ray Lankford. Whenever I gnash my teeth about Tony (which has been more and more recently) I always think about three names: Grady Little, Dusty Baker, Norv Turner (the most incompetent of all incompetent coaches in all sports).

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 16, 2007 5:24 PM EST up 0 recs

Pretty straightforward I'd guess

Lowell probably re-ups with Boston, Crede probably stays with the White Sox, and Miggy is going to end up with whoever bids the most prospects for his services. I'd probably wager on the Angels for that one, if gambling were legal.

I don't think this opens the market for Scott, although it kinda depends on what Lowell signs for and whether Crede gets an extension on his deal and for how much and how many years. If Rolen's contract ends up being cheap, Mo might get some calls on him from teams like the Dodgers. If he ends up being cheap, however, it would probably be in the Cards best interest to keep him unless they could pry LaRoche from the Dodgers as was mentioned in a diary yesterday. I don't see that happening without the Birds giving up some young pitching or possibly Anderson as well, so I'd guess that Rolen isn't going anywhere and will be the opening day starter at third for the Cards.

"The Cardinals have won a World Series in THEIR new stadium!" --my Uncle Jim to a heckling Cubs fan

by fourstick on Nov 15, 2007 11:49 PM EST 0 recs

....agree with your scenario...

the Dodgers may be the last suitors. And 100% with Mr Clean at the tail end of the "Buy George" thread re: Scott Rolen. Best Ive ever heard that position stated.

And, if he stays to open the season, SOMEONE with prospects/$$ will want him for the stretch run and trading deadeline in Aug. He might WANT to go play with a contender. If hes stays healthy, puts up more typical Rolen numbers than 07'...he's worth a bunch of prospects then!

NY signing A-Rod must frustrate people that hate injured, aging (overpaid) vets (and SR). Particularly those that try to create all the negative drama they can by being hyper-critical of the drama between TLR and Rolen.

Improve the Cardinals team spirit, integrity and positive public image...sign Bonds for 08'!

by cardschinmusic on Nov 16, 2007 3:43 AM EST up 0 recs

The Contender

Of course if he puts up Rolenesque numbers we are probably a contender.

by cariocacardinal on Nov 16, 2007 6:04 AM EST up 0 recs

....that would

be real ok by me, Ive been a Rolen backer for a long while and dont care if he and TLR are duking it out on a daily basis in the locker room, so long as baseball is #1 when they're on the field. I'd like to see us contend....

Improve the Cardinals team spirit, integrity and positive public image...sign Bonds for 08'!

by cardschinmusic on Nov 17, 2007 6:49 AM EST up 0 recs

3rd Basemen

One of the Chicago papers say that the White Sox are interested in sending Crede to the Dodgers for prospects, and then sending them to the Marlins for Cabrera. If they get him, they will play Cabrera in LF and play Josh Fields at 3rd.

GO CARDS!!!

by cardinaltim92849 on Nov 16, 2007 9:17 AM EST 0 recs

well

if u are the Dodgers why just send the prospects to Miami and get Miggy, and have him play third? I would rather have Miggy wouldn't you?

by nybirdfan on Nov 16, 2007 10:38 AM EST up 0 recs

Overvalue Laroche

There is no way the Cards should give up Rolen plus other players to get this guy. If the Dodgers valued him so much, they would play him there and not want to trade for Rolen. So, no Anderson, no Craig, no Reyes thrown into that deal unless the Dodgers are throwing additions stuff back our way.

How about this one: Rolen and Ryan for Furcal and Laroche. (on this thing, I think the Cards may have to throw in more.)

How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Nov 16, 2007 9:25 AM EST 0 recs

Yep

We would have to throw one in.

Although the contract value is close in the exchange, LaRoche is a youngster with pop. Ryan is not. We prob would have the throw in someone.

by DuncanDipper on Nov 16, 2007 10:48 AM EST up 0 recs

LaRoche

I would agree that the Cards shouldn't go Rolen plus simply b/c LaRoche is a ? due to the simple fact that he's a prospect...But if Ned Colletti is crazy enough to go LaRoche for Rolen straight up, I'd honestly say go for it. The dude has done nothing like hit like holy batshit in his minor league career. So in theory, LaRoche projects to be a better hitter than Rolen was when he came up, and Rolen won ROY. Will he? Of course that's a huge question. But I'd love to see what the kid would do as a starter. He's got no minor league worlds to conquer as they say.

Scott Rolen stats

Andy LaRoche stats

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 16, 2007 5:44 PM EST up 0 recs

LaRoche

The Dodgers undervalue him because of their insistence on veterans. How else do you explain Juan Pierre and Nomar and the like?

I believe LaRoche may have had some injury issues in the past, but he's one of the, if not the, best 3b prospects in baseball right now. He's Team USA's hottest hitter right now, and that includes a certain guy named Rasmus who's tearing the cover off the ball right now.

Also, we wouldn't send them Anderson, they've already got Russell Martin for years to come.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Nov 16, 2007 10:28 PM EST up 0 recs

And Nobody Thinks Tejada goes to 3B?

If the Yanks give Lowell a 4yr offer and the Sox flinch, I think we'll see Tejada in Boston at 3B.

If Lowell resigns with the Sox, we may well see Tejada in Dodger Blue.

Either way I have Cabrera with the Angels, and Rolen stays put.

Watching the Playoffs as Reigning Champs is not a bad thing.

by Birds on the Bat on Nov 16, 2007 7:38 PM EST 0 recs

inexpensive approach

sign Pedro Feliz to play third,
Alexei Ramirez if available to play SS(if not then Izturis), and Barajas to be back up catcher

then deal Rolen and $4mill/yr to the Twins for Scott Baker.

brings payroll to about $101 mill, leaving about $10 mill in payroll space and most of our dealable commodities (Duncan, Reyes, etc) to land a right-handed power outfield bat.

by vances law on Nov 18, 2007 10:59 PM EST 0 recs