Fielding Bible Awards Two Cards Win

by StLHugo on Nov 1, 2007 2:53 PM EDT

http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-bird-land/2007/11/molina-pujols-snag-fielding-awards/

Molina and Pujols were recognized for being the best defensively at their position in all of baseball in the second ever Fielding Bible Awards.

I wonder what this means for the Gold Gloves. Goold also throws in the line that Molina is the favorite right now for Catcher and we know Pujols has some competition this year.

Personally this is how I see the NL GG going down for positions that I paid attention too:

C: Martin
1B: Helton
SS: Rollins with Tulo very close
3B: Rolen (though it could be close and he could miss it badly I just don't know)
OF: Griffy, Jones, not sure

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How the hell did Andruw Jones get that award?

I guess maybe he just sucks in comparision to his old self and is still better than other NL CF. But boy, has his defense slipped.

"Well, you wait for a strike. Then you knock the shit out of it. - Musial to Flood on how to hit a curveball

by Hardcore Legend on Nov 1, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions

thoughts

He isn't as good as he used to be, but he did lead all the everyday NL CF with his OOZ/Inn this season, which is quite impressive.

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Nov 1, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Thoughts

Griffey, are you serious?

I think mine would be:
C: Molina
1B: Pujols
2B: O. Hudson
3B: P. Feliz
SS: Tulo
OF: Beltran
OF: A. Jones
OF: Victorino

Utley and Wright were pretty good too, but I prefer the other two. If Everett would have been healthy he may have beat out Tulo, but he wasn't so oh well.

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Nov 1, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions

Those are NOT my choices, I said that is how I think it will go not who I would vote for. I would vote homerish for Molina and Pujols but I don't think Rolen had enough time to deserve it this year. Griffy though I think will get it because he was able to stay healthy and played good even if it was RF, I think that will be good enough for the voters. I also don't see Beltran getting one or deserving one this year.

by StLHugo on Nov 1, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Ah

So who are the 3 OF you think had a better defensive seasons in the NNL than Beltran?

by bigboy1234 @ Viva El Birdos on Nov 1, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Unsure

I was unsure in my first post but now I think these are the three I would give it too, based on the "bad" stats, assists, errors, RF, ZR I couldn't find a good resource for UZR or any of the other metrics so maybe later I can get a more accurate feel.

For CFers I think Rowand is the best this year, 11 A and only 2 E (JEd had 8 and 5 and Beltran had 6 and 5), he lacks in RF but is second to Beltran in ZR. To me this says that Rowand is the best at fielding the ball when he gets too it, Beltran may be like Jimmy though and take high risks on balls others wouldn't get too so maybe I am unfairly hurting him. Victorino, Holliday and Soriano may even enter the discussion but playing in a corner might hurt them as well, that is one reason why I prefer the fielding bible splitting up th OF. I am more sold on Beltran now then I was before I looked at these stats but I just remember reading too much about him having such a down defensive season this year.

by StLHugo on Nov 2, 2007 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Here's my best guess

C: Molina.
1b: Very close between Helton and Pujols. I think Helton gets it this year, but Pujols is going to need an extra trophy shelf just for gold gloves by the time he'd done.
2b: Brandon Phillips leads NL second basemen in most defensive categories, but Orlando Hudson blows him away with plays made out of zone, and I think he gets the gold glove.
SS: Should be Tulowitski. Might be Visquel or Rollins.
3b: Chipper Jones. The injury time hurts Rolen here, if he'd played the whole season it'd be a no-brainer.
OF: A little bit harder to guess, but I'm going to go with Holiday, A. Jones, and Austin Kearns. Beltran, Francouer, and Rowand would all be decent choices as well.

I have no idea about pitchers. Doesn't Maddux usually get this one?

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Nov 1, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions

It won't be Rolen

didn't play enough, offense has fallen too far. (it shouldn't matter, but does)

3b will be Wright or Zimmerman

by chuckb on Nov 1, 2007 6:46 PM EDT reply actions

Um, are you serious?

Martin has a terrible arm. Yeah, Yadi did miss 50 games, but still, he threw out 49% of runners, and had a better fielding percentage than Martin (.991 to .988). And Griffey was injured to much (SURPRISE SURPRISE) to win the GG, while it seems to me that Andruw had a down year as well.

bring in livian hernandez!

by dunc4life on Nov 1, 2007 7:20 PM EDT reply actions

Terrible arm?

Martin threw out 33% of runners. Molina is a lot better but Martin is still very good defensively.

Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Nov 1, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions

hmm

I guess multiple people read that as what I wanted to happen not what I see as how the vote will go.

Anyway Martin is in the top 5 defensive catchers, his arm is not terrible it is good, and accurate just not Yadi good, but only Pudge is Yadi good right now and even he is having a down year. I hope this is Yadi's year I really do.

by StLHugo on Nov 2, 2007 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions

My guesses

C - Molina (It's about time)
1B - Helton (Pujols and Lee close)
2B - Hudson
SS - Tulowitzki (Wilson and Rollins close)
3B - Feliz or Wright(Rolen close but too much time out)
OF - Rowand
OF - Jones (on reputation alone)
OF - Beltran (not deserving either)

Close but no cigar: Martin, Pujols, D.Lee, Wright, Rolen, Jack Wilson, Rollins, Cameron

How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Nov 1, 2007 7:42 PM EDT reply actions