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Current Depth Charts and Vorp - Starters

My last blog the table syntax janked it all up.  Here's hoping it comes out better....

This is a current depth chart from http://sportsline.com.

FLA    Vorp

  1. D. Willis     0.7
  2. S. Mitre     7.9
  3. S. Olsen     -23.1
  4. B. Kim     -4.4
  5. C. Seddon     -8.1
  6. J. Johnson     -7.3
Texas    Vorp
  1. K. Millwood     5.7
  2. V. Padilla     -6.8
  3. B. McCarthy     6.5
  4. K. Gabbard     1.8
  5. E. Volquez     4.6
  6. K. Loe     -3.6
Seattle    Vorp
  1. F. Hernandez     36.4
  2. J. Washburn     24.8
  3. M. Batista     25
  4. J. Weaver     -9.7
  5. R. Feierabend    -12.2
Washington    Vorp
  1.  S. Hill    20.8
  2. J. Bergmann    15.5
  3. T. Redding    19.4
  4. J. Hanrahan    -2.2
  5. M. Chico    11.1
  6. J. Patterson    -5.1
  7. J. Simontacchi     -8.1
Tampa Bay    Vorp
  1.  S. Kazmir    47.2
  2. A. Sonnanstine    0.2
  3. E. Jackson    -8.4
  4. J. Hammel    -1.7
  5. J. Howell    -11.5
  6. J. Shields     45.4
St. Louis    Vorp
  1.  A. Wainwright    39.8
  2. B. Looper    14.8
  3. J. Pineiro    12.7
  4. B. Thompson    9
  5. K. Wells    -9.4
  6. M. Mulder    -9.6
  7. C. Carpenter     -1.1
Pittsburg    Vorp
  1.  I. Snell    42.8
  2. T. Gorzelanny    42.6
  3. M. Morris    -3
  4. P. Maholm    7.4
  5. Z. Duke     -3.4
Philidelphia    Vorp
  1.  C. Hamels    48.8
  2. J. Moyer    14
  3. A. Eaton    -9.7
  4. K. Lohse    7.2
  5. K. Kendrick    27.1
  6. F. An. Garcia    -0.1
  7. J. Lieber     7.7
Houston    Vorp
  1.  R. Oswalt    59.8
  2. W. Rodriguez    18.9
  3. B. Backe    5.9
  4. M. Albers    -4.6
  5. F. Paulino    -2.3
  6. J. Gutierrez    0.1
  7. J. Jennings     -8.2
Detroit    VORP
  1.  J. Verlander    45.9
  2. K. Rogers    5.6
  3. N. Robertson    10.1
  4. J. Jurrjens    4.2
  5. C. Durbin    13.5
  6. J. Bonderman     10.1
Baltimore    VORP
  1.  D. Cabrera    2.2
  2. J. Leicester    -5.6
  3. V. Santos    -3.2
  4. V. Zambrano    -4.6
  5. R. Liz    -4.5
  6. B. Burres    -0.9
  7. J. Guthrie    38.2
  8. G. Olson    -6.3
  9. E. Bedard    54.9
  10. A. Loewen    6.1
  11. K. Benson    
Cincinnatti    VORP
  1.  A. Harang    53.8
  2. B. Arroyo    30.7
  3. M. Belisle    7.7
  4. T. Shearn    11.6
  5. H. Bailey    -1.4
  6. E. Milton    0.1
  7. B. Livingston     2.5
Milwaukee    VORP
  1.  B. Sheets    31.4
  2. J. Suppan    23
  3. D. Bush    13
  4. Y. Gallardo    25.1
  5. C. Villanueva    23.1
  6. C. Capuano     6.3
KC Royals    VORP
  1.  G. Meche    47.1
  2. B. Bannister    34.9
  3. Z. Greinke    30.1
  4. K. Davies    -7.2
  5. B. Buckner    2.9
  6. O. Perez    2.4
  7. L. Hudson    -3.6
  8. J. Thomson     2.1
Colorado    VORP
  1. J. Francis     42.7
  2. J. Fogg     13.4
  3. U. Jimenez     9.9
  4. F. Morales     11.1
  5. M. Redman     5.2
  6. D. Bautista     -5.8
  7. A. Cook     25.3
  8. J. Hirsh     13.2
  9. R. Lopez     10.9
NY-Yankees    VORP
  1.  C. Wang    48.5
  2. A. Pettitte    36.8
  3. R. Clemens    13.8
  4. P. Hughes    9
  5. I. Kennedy    6.7
  6. M. Mussina    11
  7. C. Pavano     0.5
Chicago White Sox    VORP
  1. M. Buehrle     49.3
  2. J. Garland     26.6
  3. J. Vazquez     51.1
  4. J. Danks     1.8
  5. J. A. Contreras     -6.1
  6. G. Floyd    2.4
Atlanta    VORP
  1. J. Smoltz     56.7
  2. T. Hudson     59.7
  3. C. James     28.7
  4. J. Bennett     3.6
  5. J. Reyes     -5.8
  6. L. Cormier     -8.2
  7. B. Carlyle     2.4
  8. M. Hampton    
  9. A. Lerew     -2.3
Oakland    VORP
  1. D. Haren     56.4
  2. J. Blanton     46.3
  3. C. Gaudin     24.3
  4. D. Braden     -11.7
  5. R. Harden     10
NY-METS    VORP
  1. T. Glavine     28.1
  2. P. Martinez     7.1
  3. O. Perez     24
  4. J. Maine     33.3
  5. O. Hernandez     31.7
  6. M. Pelfrey    -0.2
San Fransico    VORP
  1.  B. Zito    24.7
  2. M. Cain    47.6
  3. K. Correia    26.9
  4. P. Misch    5.4
  5. T. Blackley   
  6. J. O. Sanchez    -0.1
  7. T. Lincecum    26.5
  8. N. Lowry    26.6
  9. R. Ortiz     1
LA-ANGELS    VORP
  1. J. Lackey     60.7
  2. K. Escobar     49.9
  3. J. Weaver     29.1
  4. J. Saunders     14.8
  5. B. Colon    -8.9
Minnesota    VORP
  1. J. Santana     57.7
  2. C. Silva     35.5
  3. M. Garza     11.3
  4. S. Baker     25.8
  5. K. Slowey     5.4
  6. F. Liriano    
Arizona    VORP
  1. B. Webb     66.1
  2. D. Davis     28.6
  3. L. Hernandez     20.4
  4. M. Owings     21.1
  5. E. G. Gonzalez     7.3
  6. R. Johnson     12.3
LA-Dodgers    VORP
  1.  B. Penny    61.7
  2. D. Lowe    30.5
  3. C. Billingsley    40.7
  4. D. Wells    2.5
  5. E. Loaiza    -5.9
  6. E. Stults    -0.7
  7. R. Wolf    12.1
  8. J. Schmidt     -3.5
Chi-CUBS    VORP
  1. C. Zambrano     43.5
  2. T. Lilly     46.7
  3. J. Marquis     16.5
  4. R. Hill     40.3
  5. S. Trachsel     -4.7
  6. S. Marshall     16.7
  7. M. Prior    
Cleveland    VORP
  1.  C. Sabathia    65.2
  2. F. Carmona    64
  3. P. Byrd    18.9
  4. J. Westbrook    21.8
  5. A. Laffey     6.7
Boston    VORP
  1.  J. Beckett    58.6
  2. D. Matsuzaka    37
  3. C. Schilling    33.5
  4. T. Wakefield    23.2
  5. J. Lester    9
  6. C. Buchholz     9.3
Toronto    VORP
  1.  R. Halladay    50.6
  2. A. Burnett    37.5
  3. S. Marcum    31.1
  4. D. McGowan    34
  5. J. Litsch    18.7
  6. G. Chacin     1.5
San Diego    VORP
  1.  J. Peavy    77
  2. C. R. Young    45.8
  3. G. Maddux    35.7
  4. B. Tomko    3.7
  5. J. Cassel     4.4

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Umm, what is your point?
Posting a bunch of stats alone does not constitute a good diary.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Oct 8, 2007 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

He'd meant to put it
At the end of this diary, that was good. Failure to include a close tag hosed that page, it would appear.

by liam on Oct 8, 2007 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I figured that out.
But that doesn't mean this is a good Diary.  He could put all relevant info here and ask LB to delete or move comments from the other diary.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Oct 9, 2007 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for breaking that down.
The format is much better on this one.

To your point....

The best fit (in terms of what we could get back) must meet 3 criteria.

  1.  This team must be in the mindset to compete.  A team that doesn't, at least somewhat, fancy itself a contender would probably rather take a chance on a young guy or DD special (retread) than give up any useful young player for a 4 or 5 guy.
  2.  A mid to larger market team would probably be the best fit.  A team with payroll constrictions might not be interested, but to others a near league average starter is a steal for 6.5M
  3.  The need must be there.  This team has to have a clear dropoff after the 3 spot in their rotation.
Who fits the bill?

Seattle- Their 4 and 5 startes had a vorp of -9.7 and -12.1, respectively.  They were in the hunt until the very end where they ran flat.  They also sported a payroll of about 107M, good for 7th in baseball.  Would they be willing to part with Ibanez?  Jones is on his way, and Guillen has a reasonable option for next year.  How about a young pitcher like Brandon Morrow?

Philly-  They very well may be interested.  They aren't happy with Eaton, Moyer is 83, Lohse is a FA and Kendrick is pretty unproven.  They should be players in the east again, and the payroll is there...90M.  Victorino may be and available, and they have some interesting prospects like Adrian Cardenas SS/2B, and Josh Outman LHP.

There are a few others that fit the mold to like Cincy, Colorado and Atlanta.

You may be able to get pretty good value for old Loop from one of these teams.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Oct 10, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting
Makes me wonder if Zambrano is worth his extension based on this statistic.  Look at the number of #2 and even #3 starters who have a higher VORP and a much smaller salary.  Is it any wonder based on this that the Cubs got swept in the first round?
"The Cardinals have won a World Series in THEIR new stadium!" --my Uncle Jim to a heckling Cubs fan

by fourstick on Oct 10, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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