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listening to luhnow

cross-posted at Future Redbirds --- add'l discussion over there.

i sent these questions to jeff luhnow on monday; got the answers on tuesday, and would have posted them yesterday if wednesday were a regular posting day for me. wouldn't that have been interesting . . . . dewitt ruled out luhnow as a candidate for the gm position, which comes as no surprise --- i never bought into the idea that he was being groomed for the job. he's still got much to learn about the business.

this is the 4th e-mail exchange luhnow has done with VEB; the others posted on march 23, may 29, and july 31. as always, my thanks to jeff for taking the time to give us a snapshot.

Who do you think will do well in the playoffs this year, and why?
I'd much rather be getting ready for our first game of the playoffs. Having said that, I do enjoy watching these games as a fan. This year's playoffs should be good for baseball and very entertaining. You have the big markets involved (New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Boston), so ratings should be high. There is also the intrigue of the other teams (Cleveland, Arizona and Colorado). None of the 2006 LCS teams made it to the playoffs this year, so we know we will have a new pennant winners and a new champion. I can't predict who that will be, nor will I be rooting for any particular team.

A number of teams with largely homegrown rosters either made the playoffs this year or just missed. I'm thinking specifically of the Rockies, Indians, Angels, Dbacks, Dodgers, Brewers, and Braves. You might even argue that the Phils and Mets relied heavily on homegrown talent. Do any of those organizations stand out as ones that you particularly admire, or would like to emulate?
You are correct that many of the contributing players on all the teams (Yankees included with the three young pitchers, plus many of their star players) were drafted or signed and developed by the organization's scouting and player development system. All of those organizations have good scouts and good coaches in their systems, as do the Cardinals. No team could survive for long, much less compete consistently, without some homegrown talent. We do study carefully what other organizations do, and there are elements of each organization that we admire and try to emulate.

How will you spend your time over the next few weeks / months? Describe what you and your staff will be doing between now and February.
It's a busy time. Currently we are reviewing our spending and proposing budgets for next year across all areas. We are also doing performance evaluations for our scouts, coaches and front office personnel and determining any staffing needs. Our instructional program has been going for a few weeks now and will continue through the first two weeks of October. I have already been twice and will likely go one more time. The Arizona Fall League starts soon, as do the Hawaii league and Team USA, and we have a program up and running in Venezuela and soon in the DR.

On top of that, we are sending several players to winter-ball programs in Latin America. At some point this fall, I will see all of those programs in person and meet with our staff and players. We have already started working on both major league and minor league free agents to prioritize our needs and review the players likely to be available. We have college scout days underway for next year's draft, and we still have a few showcases coming up this fall for the top high school players.

Looking back over the last 12 months, what's the most significant step forward made by the organization? What's the biggest disappointment?
From my perspective, it was the addition of the extra minor league team (in the GCL), which allows both the high school kids from the draft and the younger Latin players to get their feet wet in US-based pro ball. There were several players (Rosales, Morales, Lara, Ingram, Hooker, Blazek, among others) that were able to compete effectively at that level and become better baseball players. Had they gone directly to Johnson City or stayed back in Latin America, they would not likely have progressed as far or would have lost some confidence in their abilities.

The biggest disappointment this year for me was the position-player injuries and the lost development time as a result. We did well on the pitching side this year, but we sustained some injuries on the position-player side. For example, John Jay, Tyler Greene, and Cody Haerther all missed significant time. I expect them all to be healthy for spring training and to make up for lost time, but it's been frustrating.

When big-league decision makers self-evaluate, they're guided by a very stark bottom line --- the won-loss record. But won-loss records in the minor leagues aren't necessarily a true gauge of how well player-development decisions are working out. Do you have some other bottom-line metric against which you measure your decisions and evaluate your processes?
We look at several elements to grade ourselves in player development. The record can be deceiving because the experience level and age can vary so much at various levels. Of course we all want to win, and it was exciting watching our AA team compete for the Texas League championship, but there are several other important considerations, many of which are difficult to measure. We constantly try to improve our player development curriculum, our teaching methods, our staff, and our facilities in order to enable our players to reach their potential. Evaluating our success there is somewhat subjective, but it can be done. At the end of the day, what matters most is how many players we developed that were able to help the organization --- either in a trade or by making it to St. Louis and contributing. This year, we had several players that contributed in St. Louis that spent time in our minor league system --- Ryan, Ankiel, Ludwick, Schumaker, Falkenberg, Jimenez, Cavazos... I'm sure I'm forgetting some. That's not a bad list. We traded a few players to get some help in St. Louis... for Maroth we traded Lambert, for Piniero we traded... wait, we don't know yet (gotcha!). [ Sean Danielson was announced as the PTBNL yesterday --- ed.] Anyway, we always want to get better, and we look for ways to get better players ready faster. . . . The bar will always be set higher than we can achieve, and that keeps us motivated.

What's the health status of Jaime Garcia? Will he do any throwing before spring training? What's the outlook for Tyler Greene? Mark McCormick? Adam Reifer?
Jaime is throwing and feeling good. He won't get into any games this fall, but he and the doctors feel he is healthy and once he is done with his throwing program, he will be shut down and ramped up in time for spring training. Of course we never know for sure, but all signs are positive right now. Reifer is down in Florida on a throwing program and looks good. Greene and McCormick are rehabbing and both should be 100 percent for spring training.

Did Garcia exhibit enough progress to merit a promotion to triple A next year in spite of his injury? Same question for Tyler Greene --- is he projected to move up, or is there a chance he'll open next year at Springfield?
I can't tell you that right now, because it's too early. As usual, we will make some adjustments during March. For now, I have both of them penciled in to start the year in Springfield.

Is there a specific skill (or set of them) these players need to exhibit next spring to warrant promotion? Ie, consistency with a certain pitch? Ability to recognize / hit a certain pitch?
Greene was getting more comfortable at the plate in Springfield prior to his injury, so he just needs to pick up where he left off. His pitch recognition is improving. The power, speed, and fielding combination is exciting, and he should keep moving up, but as we all know the pitching gets better and better with each level. Jaime was performing well, but he is young and since he did have an injury, we don't want to push him too fast. He needs to throw strikes with his fastball so he can use his hammer to get guys out. He does that at times, but he needs to be consistent.

Do Mike Parisi and Blake Hawksworth each have at least one big-league pitch? Evaluate their overall strengths / weaknesses, and what they need to do to have a shot at pitching for the Cardinals.
I expect both of them to do better in their second year at Memphis, if they don't make the big club. There are so many good, major league-caliber hitters in AAA that most pitchers will experience some struggles. Both of them went through some tough times this year, but both improved as pitchers. Mike's best pitch right now is his curveball, but he has at least an average fastball with movement and he could develop a big-league change and slider. Blake's best pitch right now is his changeup, but he also could have four major-league-average pitches.

What's Mitchell Boggs' best pitch? What's the area he most needs to improve in? Is there a specific pitch or skill you want him to work on in the AFL?
Mitchell is a fastball/slider guy with electric stuff. Our coaches feel he needs a slower pitch (most likely the changeup) to keep hitters off balance and set up the hard stuff. The changeup and command of his pitches are both areas he will work on while in Arizona.

It seems as though this year's position-player draftees, as a group, are very patient hitters. Antonio DeJesus, Nick Derba, Oliver Marmol, Ty Henley, Arnoldi Cruz, Daniel Descalso all had above-average walk rates, in some cases way above average. Did you consciously seek that skill when you went into the draft? Did you feel it was an area of weakness within the organization that needed to be addressed?
We didn't target those players because of their eye, but it happens to be something that they all have in common that makes them successful baseball players. We look at run production, and there are many ways to create runs at the plate. Certainly getting free passes by having an advanced eye is one way, but it helps if you can drive the ball hard and hit to all fields. Oh, and we certainly need to look at defense, and all of those players have advanced skills defensively too. It will be fun to watch that group play next year and see them get better. They are all at our instructional program as we speak.

Andres Rosales: in 94 professional innings, he has struck out 127 guys and allowed only 1 homer. What's the story on him? Where'd you find him, what type of pitcher is he, and is he a real prospect?
We found Andres at a tryout in Cartagena back in 2005, when he was only 16. He had just finished pitching the game of his life representing Colombia against Mexico in an international tournament. I was with Enrique Brito and Neder Horta, and we all three agreed to take a chance on him. We liked the pop on his fastball and his feel for the curveball and changeup at a young age. During and after the signing process, I have come to know both the player and his family well. His parents are both professionals, well educated, and great people, and it shows in Andres. They live in Barranquilla, and every time I go they insist on having me over or out for dinner. They LOVE the Cardinals. Andres took a big step forward this year. I credit Dennis Martinez and the other pitching coaches who worked with him. His control and his command improved this year, and he really blossomed. For me he is a prospect, and I can't wait to see what he does on a full-season club. This is the type of player we would be very proud to have represent the organization.

Where do you expect Brett Zawacki and Adam Reifer to start next year? Will they be in full-season ball, or extended ST?
I would imagine Reifer would start at Quad Cities since he is a college guy. Brett will have to compete for a spot on that team with the other high school pitchers from this last draft, the year before, the Latin players (like Rosales) and last year's college pitchers. There are too many good players for not enough spots, but that is how it should be. Those that come ready to spring training and have worked hard in the off-season will have an advantage.

In Joe Strauss's article Sunday, Bill Dewitt acknowledged some tension within the front office. The article contained a rather striking statement from an anonymous farm-system employee: "It's not a healthy environment when you're worried about who you're seen speaking to. If you speak to someone, you risk making someone else in the front office mad. If you don't speak, you alienate the person in front of you. It's tough when you're caught in the middle of something like that." What's your reaction to that statement? To the extent that a clash of philosophies does exist, what do you think can and should be done to help the clashing wings of the front office work together more cohesively?
I don't know who "anonymous" is, so it's hard for me to respond. Communication is critical between me and the coaches and scouts, and across all parts of the organization. We also need to be on the same page, striving towards the same goal. I suspect the goal for everyone is similar, although we might have different paths or beliefs about how to achieve the goal. That is natural in any organization, and I think that is Mr. DeWitt's point. From my standpoint, we need to discuss and debate everyone's point of view, and we do plenty of that among the scouts, coaches, and front office people. Everyone has their own unique perspective based on their time in the game, their experiences, their education, their background, and other aspects of their life. Input from a variety of people can be and should be used to come up with the ultimate decisions, time permitting.

While we're on this subject: It's conceivable the entire starting lineup, rotation, and bullpen at triple A next year will consist of prospects who've moved up through the system --- ie, players with no big-league experience. This would be a big change from the club's longstanding philosophy of stocking the triple A roster with veteran depth --- guys like Ryan Ludwick, Randy Keisler, Tagg Bozied, Matt Ginter. Is everybody in the organization in favor of this sort of change, or do you anticipate any resistance to it?
We need to field a team in Memphis that accomplishes several goals simultaneously. We want to have players ready to fill in for St. Louis when a need arises. We'd like to develop players that can have an impact in St. Louis once they are ready. We'd like to have a competitive team and give the fans in Memphis a winning experience. We've fallen short on that last goal the past few years, and we all want to improve there. That might mean bringing in a select few veteran players that can help the team win, and provide depth for St. Louis.

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Reifer...minor league veterans
  1.  I think JL is overly optomistic about Reifer both due to his coming off injury and the amount of competition above him.  I'm betting its Batavia for him to start the year.
  2.  I think you'll see a corner infield veteran in Memphis as there seems to be no one near ready there if Rolen or pujols are injured.  You may also see a middle infield veteran if Ryan is the starting shortstop (someone to be ready in case this year was a fluke.) Catcher is the other position they may look for a veteran in Memphis though those can usually be acquired on short notice.

by cariocacardinal on Oct 4, 2007 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doubt 2
Barden and Martinez are my early favorites to start at 3B and SS in Memphis next season, maybe a backup but other then that I really doubt we will see a veteran brought to that team.  Barden actually fits the description I guess he is 26 this year so he will be 27 next season, which is only 1 year younger then Ludwick, he is a career .296/.349/.449 hitter in the minors who has yet to turn it around in the majors.  I also have a lot of faith in Eckstein as a hitting coach (I hope he sticks around if David leaves though) so I think this move could be good for him.

by StLHugo on Oct 4, 2007 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice interview lb
for all the crap luhnow gets about being a stat guy, sure seems like he is interested in what his scouts are telling him. this whole front office rift sure seems to be built on a lot of misunderstanding and pride. kinda stupid, really.

by erik on Oct 4, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks erik
bummer that this interview is getting lost in the shuffle; no comment traffic at all. you wanna cross-post it at Future Redbirds? it's getting completely lost in the shuffle over here.

by lboros on Oct 4, 2007 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

taken care of
I had to pick myself up off the floor when VeB needs something linked to from FR. :o)

by azruavatar on Oct 4, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks AZ
i was even thinking you guys ---- if you wanted to --- could just reprint the whole interview, in your own post at FR. maybe you don't want 2d-hand material, and i would understand if that's how you feel; but if you want to create your own post and just reprint my post, go for it.

i'll e-mail you the text, and it's up to you if you use it or not.

by lboros on Oct 4, 2007 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can do
i'm at work now, i would've had a snippet or two and add my own commentary already if i could. speaking of which, i better stop commenting here...yikes. at lunch i will link ya up and work on that.

by erik on Oct 4, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's up
but I'm out for the day so feel free to add commentary as I need to get back to studying for my midterm @ 2pm.

(Baseball is vastly more interesting than control systems engineering and root locus plots. . .)

by azruavatar on Oct 4, 2007 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely
and am a little embarrassed that it took me until 7:30 to read the entire interview.  I think Luhnow get this rep as "the stat guy" b/c it's easier to place people into certain categories -- black and white vs. gray.  But it's clear to me, from Larry's previous interviews, that scouting does matter.  He's certainly mentioned it on more than 1 occasion that a balance between the stats and scouting is essential when evaluating a prospect.

As to your last point, it seems really petty and almost spiteful for grown men to be acting in this manner and further emphasizes to me that some kind of change needed to occur.  

I know our farm isn't there yet but you can truly see the development of players -- this progress (of multiple players) isn't something this organization's experienced for a long time.  There still aren't a great number of top-notch prospects but even his comments on Tyler Greene give me reasons for hope.

by chuckb on Oct 4, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rosales
Listed at 6'0 140.  Yikes, get that boy to eat and lift approximately 25 hours a day.
Cheeseburger in paradise.

by joker24 on Oct 4, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding
Hey Lboros - Once again outstanding read.  I was especially encouraged by Ludhow's take on Jaime.  In my opinion he is a huge X factor next year and in 2009.  If Garcia is a #2 or #3 to go along with Wainright and Carp, I think we are in good shape.

Also, selfishly, the change in GM and possibly management could mean that Anthony Reyes gets a fresh start.  I would really love that....

by Lawless on Oct 4, 2007 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

luhnow
didn't really cite any one team that he thought had a good developmental approach that he admires, i would have liked he hear him answer that head on.  as far as AAA goes, i for one would like to see it filled with players whom are young AND can come up and fill a need when it arises, like ryan this year. and ty johnson last year.

by mdarshan on Oct 4, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would really like the Cardinals to
try and snag Colby Lewis for their AAA team.  He spent a little time with the A's this year but he continues to put up some excellent AAA numbers that (for some reason) haven't translated.  I'd be interested to see what the Cardinals pitching coaches could do with him.

What I wouldn't give to be able to follow around Luhnow just one day while he works. . .

by azruavatar on Oct 4, 2007 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Andres Rosales
What is the chance this guy gets fast tracked, having gotten some proffessional innings under his belt?  Being a 20 year old starter in AAA/midseason callup isn't unheard of for a team that struggles to find pitching.  Even with only a 90 mph fastball and a wire frame, wouldn't it be prudent to move him along.

When you are that dominant at the lower levels, you can skip a level or two.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 4, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He hasn't even pitched in full season baseball yet
If he starts at QC then it may be time to see how he handles that but competition below that level is of questionable difficulty.

by azruavatar on Oct 4, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: No Traffic
LB,
I'm sure there's tons of people like me that are reading but don't really have a comment. It's a very good interview. I just think that people really don't know what to make of the situation. Jocketty did some wonderful things and gave his heart to the organization. A big thank you to Walt for all he did.

I'm not sure what to make of Luhnow's comment about discussing and debating everyone's point of view. Last I checked, that's why Walt was there. To make those decisions. He can listen to or ignore anyone's advice he choses to. Walt has been there and done that, several times over. It's not a democracy. Walt was doing what he thought was best for the franchise and got "dismissed" for it. Kinda strange how Walt stretched the payroll to extremes and then gets questioned about "team depth" and "below average starting pitching". He did the best he could with what he was given. And that was way more than most.

I doubt he'll ever read this but, Thanks Walt. There's still a lot of us who appreciated all you did.

 

by JShell73 on Oct 4, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't have
anything to add.  But I'm always fascinated by and appreciative of these interviews.  Thanks.

by spants on Oct 4, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry,
I can't blame you for being disappointed that this post was largely overlooked. It is extremely cool that Luhnow makes himself available for interviews and responds at the length he does. I don't know if you even tried to approach the late, great Mr. Jocketty with the idea of an interview, electronic or live, but I'm guessing you might have and I can't recall him ever showing up here. (I'm glad to stand corrected if I am wrong.)

I'm just catching up with this interview myself. Talk about being blown off the front page. I almost made a quick post today about the playoffs going on, in case anybody forgot.

That said, I'm not sure what is newsworthy here. Not your fault. You asked good questions. Luhnow just didn't commit much. The discussion re: Andres Rosales was interesting, both the stats you cited (wow!) and Luhnow's description of seeing the 16-year-old and getting to know his family. Scouting in Latin America must be an experience.

by Youneverknow on Oct 5, 2007 12:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks YNK
you're right, luhnow plays it pretty close to the vest. that's always the case --- each time we do one of these e-mail exchanges, a lot of the answers come across as canned. but there are always enough little tidbits to make it worthwhile, at least in my mind. they're not necessarily big news, but if you rake the coals there's stuff to talk / think about.

for instance, luhnow noted that both jaime garcia and tyler greene are penciled in for double A --- that has implications. it means, for example, that both greene and allen craig will be at springfield. if craig is at 3d base and greene is at short, where does that leave jose martinez ---- triple A? that's one possibility. another possibility is that the defensively challenged craig shifts to first base, and greene opens the season as springfield's 3d baseman, while jose martinez --- still only 22, and with only half a season of double A experience --- stays at ss. but if that's the case, there's nowhere for mark hamilton to go but up --- we'd infer that he opens the season as memphis' first-baseman. since hamilton is already 23, maybe they'll go that route.

also interesting to me that they'd like to start reifer (who has never thrown a pitch in pro ball) at quad cities. the QC pitching staff has been a launching pad the last couple of years ---- jaime garcia got hot there two springs ago and went from being on nobody's radar to being the team's best pitching prospect. this year two other pitchers, tyler herron and pj walters, established their prospect bona fides with good showings at QC, and guys like degerman and mortensen and garceau and maiques and elvis hernandez showed varying degrees of promise there. (blake king, on the other hand, hurt his stock with a weak showing.) so the composition of that staff next year is of interest to me --- luhnow's answer provides some clues (he seems to hope rosales and reifer will be on that staff).

but it's probably only the hard-core minor-league watchers like to sift through this stuff to such an extent.

by lboros on Oct 5, 2007 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
for the additional perspective.

. . . "there are always enough little tidbits to make it worthwhile"

I agree. I enjoy reading all your interviews.

by Youneverknow on Oct 5, 2007 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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