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Introductions. Carts. Horses. Boo.

Good morning, everyone.  I'll be your guide to the world of Cardinal baseball on this lovely Halloween Wednesday.  I'm not sure exactly how long this arrangement is going to last, but, hopefully, I'll be able to avoid disgracing the site.  Thanks to the esteemed Mr. Borowski for the opportunity to contribute.  

You know, I had planned to make this post a season wrapup.  I was going to call it 'The Halloween Spooktacular', (I've always loved the word Spooktacular) and use the 2007 team-as-Zombies theme to create the sort of postseason wrap that George Romero would fall in love with.  However, I realised two things that deep sixed that idea.  One, nothing I could write could possibly be as terrifying as yesterday's horrorshow post.  $100 million commited already to a ~75 win team.  Stephen King should watch his back.  Secondly, the idea of laying a Zombie team to rest on Halloween is really rather ill conceived.  That's the sort of thing that should wait for All Saint's Day; the Zombies should get at least this last day to wander the earth and terrify people.  So, no wrap up post.  I would have gotten away with it, if not for those meddling kids.  

Instead, I thought I would take a look at the single most pressing concern the 2008 Cardinals team has: the starting rotation.  We witnessed an historically bad rotation in 07; significant improvements are going to be required if the team hopes to avoid a repeat.  So where do we look for those improvements?  

The challenge is to try and improve the rotation for next season, without selling off the farm, without blocking your own prospects long term, and doing it on a relatively thin budget.  It's a pretty tall order, and you're going to have to be awfully creative to accomplish it.  This year's free agent class is abysmal, trading for pitching likely violates the 'without selling off the farm' paradigm, and there aren't any pitchers ready to step up in the system.  So how can we possibly acquire better pitching?  I think I may have a way.  

There has been a lot of discussion, particularly this year, but also just in general, about the Dave Duncan effect.  The Cardinals have had good success bringing in affordable, just slightly above average pitchers, and plugging them into the rotation, and the system, under Dave Duncan.  The Duncan approach encompasses a few key things.  He works with pitchers to keep their walk rates down.  Pitchers under Duncan throw strikes early in the count, enabling them to be aggressive in the strike zone.  He preaches keeping the ball down, in order to try and avoid home runs, as well as trying to generate ground balls.  All of this is really based around one principle: make the hitter put the ball in play.  Use your defense; let them make the plays.  And this is where I think we may have the cart in front of the horse.  

We all know that the two biggest needs for this team, going forward, are starting pitching and middle infield help.  The Cardinals middle infield in 2007 was absolutely abysmal.  The offense was bad enough, but the defense was really where you could see how bad the situation was.  Over the years, the Cardinals have enjoyed stellar defense on the infield; in order for the whole pitch-to-contact philosophy to work, the defense needs to be top notch.  The terrific defense they fielded was a big part of the reason why the Cards were able to go out and get pretty average pitchers, like Jeff Suppan, or Jason Marquis, and get good results out of them.  However, the last couple of seasons, the quality of the defense up the middle of the diamond has fallen off appreciably.  Now, the poor defense hasn't been wholly responsible for the terrible pitching, but it's not unrelated, either.  How many groundballs did we see last season go for hits, that would have been routine outs in years past?  Between the lack of range shown by our infielders, and the weak arms possessed by both Miles and Eckstein, there were lots of balls that found a hole, or runners who beat out the throw.  When you preach getting groundballs, those grounders had better be fielded.  

So to me, there are really two ways you could improve the pitching for next season.  You could get better pitchers, or you could field a better defense behind them.  At the moment, teams are hoarding young starting pitching, particularly anything resembling top of the rotation talent, more than ever before.  I think that it would be much easier to acquire a young, potentially top of the line middle infielder than it would be to acquire direct pitching help.  Also, take a look at the Cardinal system right now.  There are some pretty promising arms on the way.  Guys like Jaime Garcia, Tyler Herron, and Clayton Mortenson look to be very promising.  All three have the potential to pitch toward the front of a rotation, and all three are definite groundball pitchers.  If you take a look at the middle infield picture, though, it's a very bleak prospect.  Jose Martinez performed well at Double A last season, but he still has a lot to prove before he looks to be more than a fringe major leaguer.  Hoffpauir looks pretty good at second, but there isn't much else to be seen, at least not within shouting distance of the big leagues.  So I think that improving the middle infield may be the best thing to do this offseason.  

I started looking for targets, and a few look to be extremely promising.  Particularly considering all the talk suddenly of ARod possible joining Torre out in LA with the Dodgers, Chin Lung Hu, the subject of much speculation here earlier in the year, suddenly looks as if he could be a very realistic trade candidate.  From what I've heard, if Rodriguez were to go to LA, there's a good chance it would be to play SS, not 3b.  If that were the case, Furcal would immediately become available, but, more importantly, so would Hu.  If he were on the market, I think he would be the best target for the Cards to go after.  His defense is stellar, he looks to be a pretty good hitter for average, (not much pop, though) and he runs pretty well.  Most importantly, he represents the kind of keystone for the middle of the diamond that you could build around for years to come.  I don't know exactly what it would take to get him; too much of that depends on what the situation ultimately ends up being in LA.  

My second target would be Brent Lillibridge, in the Braves system.  He's ridiculously athletic, able to make some really unbelievable plays at short.  He had a little bit of a down year at the plate this season, but he still projects to be a solid, top of the lineup hitter down the road.  He profiles pretty similarly to Hu, really.  There's a good chance Lillibridge will be available.  The Braves just moved Edgar Renteria to make room for Yunel Escobar, as well as  the salary relief.  In addition, they have Elvis Andrus coming up fast behind Lillibridge in the system.  Lillibridge could very well end up being caught in a numbers crunch, and the Cards could end up the benefactor.  I know the Braves have expressed interest in Anthony Reyes before; perhaps a package of Reyes and a random minor league relief arm would be enough.  If so, this could end up being a great pickup to make.  

Lastly, and also in the vein of ARod chain reactions, is actually a couple of players from the Anaheim Angels.  I've heard that the Angels are one of the most likely destinations for Mr. Rodriguez's services; if so, they have a couple of guys who will probably be available.  Chief among them will likely be Brandon Wood.  They've had Wood playing third this season in order to ease the middle infield crunch in their system, but he's a very competent shortstop from what I understand, and his power potential is undeniable.  If the Angels brought in ARod, he would probably end up at third, meaning that Wood again has no where to go in their organisation.  He still wouldn't come cheap; I still think you would have to part with Duncan plus a good young pitching prospect, (Mitch Boggs or the like) to get him.  The Angels need left handed power, and their outfield has been very unhealthy and unreliable the last two years.  Wood would present both a solid defender and a middle of the order run producer for the Cardinals for a long time to come.  

Lastly, from the Angels also, is Chone Figgins.  He doesn't fit quite the profile of the other players I've looked at here; i.e. players just ready to make the transition to the majors.  However, there's a very good chance Figgins could once again find himself on the outside looking in, despite his performance.  I believe he can play shortstop, if he can't, I know he plays an excellent second base.  He offers tremendous speed and good on base skills, the Cards wouldn't have to look for a leadoff hitter for awhile.  I'm not sure what Figgins's exact contract status is, but considering he would cost more monetarily, he might actually be cheaper in talent.  If you were to install him at second, you could put B. Ryan at short next season, use Kennedy as a backup, and shop him during the year to a team with an injury need or who just has a giant, gaping hole at second base that they would like to fill with a slightly smaller, gaping hole.  

Perhaps instead of attempting to build a rotation with pitchers for 2008, they should pay attention to the other half of the formula.  Build the stellar infield to support the pitchers first.  Move Franklin into the rotation, put Mulder/Thompson/Wellemeyer/whoever into the 5th spot in the rotation.  Would that rotation make them a serious contender in 08?  No.  Would it ensure another playoff berth?  Quite likely not.  But I think it would get them back to respectability, and, personally, I'm okay with that.  I could put up with a season of .500 or slightly better baseball, if I knew that it were leading to something better.  This way, you could avoid blocking any of the young pitchers that should be pushing for consideration in 2009.  There really aren't any middle infield prospects to block, so that's not a concern.  Best of all, you don't get locked in to any foolish contracts that prevent improving the team in the much better free agent market next year.  

I know this probably seems a little counterintuitive, refusing to improve the area of the team that needs it the most.  I just think that the rotation may be so difficult to upgrade this year, though, that building the support for your future pitchers before those pitchers are actually here may be the most productive use of the resources they have.  

I hope this first post wasn't too very bad.  I avoided tables, and a whole lot of stats, on purpose.  I just wanted to get this one done and out of the way before I started doing anything really involved.  I'll try something a little more complicated when I'm more comfortable with the whole process.  (Also, to be honest, I just flat out didn't start this as early as I wanted to, and I didn't want to make it too very late when it was posted.  Thus, the research level suffered.)  Thanks again to Larry for letting me give this a shot, and I hope I'll be able to contribute to the cause, at least a little bit.  Everyone have a very nice Hallowe'en, and, in honour of the holiday,

Boo.  

Pretty scary, huh?  

Later.  

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Baron
Are you from across the pond?  

Realised, Organisation, Honour

by Just Rope Ball on Oct 31, 2007 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Nope.
I was actually born right here, in picturesque St. Louis.  (South of)  As to why I spell everything in the English fashion, I have no idea.  It's something I've done for as long as I can recall, and it's just a habit at this point.  I think I may have started in 7th or 8th grade, when I was taking an English Literature class.  Like I said, I don't even think about it any more.  
The 2007 offseason: Butter? Or Steel?

by the red baron on Oct 31, 2007 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent
first post baron.  It's nice to see that kind of "outside the box" thinking when it comes to upgrading this team.  Its also great to get a post this early on Wednesday.

by eglasier on Oct 31, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

excellent work
if you hadn't made a big deal about this being your first post, i'm sure most people wouldn't have noticed. solid.

i like your thoughts re: middle infield, and especially like the way you've looked for places where good players are stuck on teams where they may not have a place to play. that's the kind of inefficiency that leads to bargains - hopefully for the BOB.

as far as pitching, i pretty much agree with you as well. i wouldn't mind the cards going after, e.g., schilling/glavine on 1-year deals, but the FA market right now is so godawful that it makes sense to avoid it for the most part; kick the tires on carlos silva, but the price is going to end up being high enough that the cards should pass. wait 'til next year.

Hello, playoff watching

by nycbirdo on Oct 31, 2007 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Schilling
I second the Schilling nomination, I'd rather give him a one year deal than give more multi-year deals to the Piniero's and Springer's of the world. Sounds like his main motivation is to get in the playoffs again so if he has a good season and we're out of contention he may even be open to being dealt at the trade deadline for prospects.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Oct 31, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job....
Red Baron, this beats the hell out of the negativity re: the Card's as an entire organization thats so in vogue. You managed to state all of this in much less than cryptic terms, thank you, I enjoyed it!

Sign Schilling!!!...even if he cant run after he hit's, he can do no harm over a one year contract and the rest of the staff would benefit from his presence.

But, he's probably going to Phillie.

Improve the Cardinals team spirit, integrity and positive public image...sign Bonds for 08'!

by cardschinmusic on Nov 1, 2007 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with
everything you said except trading mitchell Boggs. In fact I would shut him down right now in the Arizona league and inform him to go home and rest for spring training. I would give him a shot at the starting rotation. I think he might be ready. Nothing to back this up other than a strong hunch though.

by ridgesee on Oct 31, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Several thoughts...
1st just wanted to say welcome and great 1st post. However, while I do think the cards would be well served by acquiring some of the prospects you mention, I think you are stretching quite a bit to think the Angels need to trade Wood. Cabrera is going into his last year of his contract, if i remember correctly, so honestly the Angels would be better off trading him than Wood. 2nd, I'm not sure why you assume the Dodgers would play Arod at SS, as  3b was a black hole for them. Nomar ended up playing there for them by the end of the year. The media here in LA seem to be pushing Colletti to trade for 'impact' players, so I guess it's possible that he screws up and trades Kemp or Hu when he doesn't need to.

by FunkeeC on Oct 31, 2007 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

You could
be right about Brandon Wood.  He is awfully valuable, and the Angels may just prefer to hang on to him.  However, they do have a pretty serious logjam in the middle infield.  Guys like Erick Aybar, Sean Rodriguez, Howie Kendrick and, of course, Figgins are all clamouring for playing time.  They've solved some of that at the moment by putting Figgins over at 3rd and using Aybar off the bench, but if they acquire ARod, that really adds to the whole picture, and they would probably need to adjust their roster accordingly.  Wood should net them good value, and I think they might move him.  Maybe they just hold on to him.  If that's the case, I definitely think Figgins will end up getting moved.  

As for the Dodgers, I'm primarily going off of what I've seen and read several places about what ARod would play out there.  You are right in what you say about third being a black hole, but they think an awful lot of Andy LaRoche.  They also have Blake DeWitt in the system, another prospect who's primarily a third baseman.  I think they would value LaRoche more than Hu, leading Hu to be the most likely trade candidate.  Again, I've just heard talk that Rodriguez would probably move back to short if he went to the Dodgers; that could be completely unsubstantiated for all I know.  But I think, all things considered, that it actually makes some sense.  

The 2007 offseason: Butter? Or Steel?

by the red baron on Nov 1, 2007 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Elvis Andrus
He was traded to Texas in the Teixeira deal.  I'm not sure if that hurts any chance of aquiring Lillebridge or not.  Good post though.
"Your mom likes Albert Pujols" - Happy Joe

by fatbellyjefferson on Oct 31, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice post RB
On a related note, given the need to upgrade the offense, most potential upgrades have focused on improving the outfield. But, when one looks at the Cardinal system, with the likes of Duncan, Ankiel, and Rasmus, plus a myriad of others, the Cards system does seem to be producing possible outfield prospects and as a result, it might not make sense to trade for more young outfielders when instead the Cards could be going after middle infielders.

by JMedwick on Oct 31, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Chicago radio is reporting
that the White Sox assistant GM is pulling his name out of the running for Cards GM.

by sdrone on Oct 31, 2007 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn
I was going to announce that I was pulling my name out of the running. He beat me to it. Oh well. Anyone else that wasn't going to get the job want to pull their name out too?

by Harknights on Oct 31, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grady Little
Grady Little says that he is also withdrawing his name, and that it was a mutual decision.

by blove121 on Oct 31, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would like to state
for the record, that I am NOT pulling my name out :P

by SleepyCA on Oct 31, 2007 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Market inefficiencies
Are the only way the Cardinals are going to find their way out of the corner in which they've painted themselves.  Overpaying for mediocre pitching will drive them deeper into the hole they've dug themselves.  Right now, every team in the majors is chasing veteran pitching, driving up the price like a bunch of property flippers in an Orlando neighborhood back in 2005, so I really like that you've addressed the other side of the "pitch to contact" equation.

Since the team is looking to hire a GM out of the "Moneyball" school,  I expect we're going to see a lot of deals that cause old fashioned fans to be scratching their heads or shrieking and wailing for the return of Jocketty, but fans who look on the counter-intuitive side to nod approvingly.

Shedding Eckstein from the club would be a good, first step.  Thanks for the Ring, David, but the team needs someone who can cover the ground.

Fielding always has been the last unexplored frontier when it comes to statistical analysis in baseball.  Many sabermetricians have said its overrated; many say its underrated; with Dave Duncan's pitch-to-contact philosophy, for the Cardinals, it's crucial when evaluating a player's potential contribution to the team.

by LTSmash on Oct 31, 2007 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey RB
Good first post. Welcome to the neighborhood, sir.
Well, let's go to the old mill anyway -- get some cider!

by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2007 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the way
you think.  After watching ball after ball fall in for a hit instead of being fielded, I too came to consider that a good way to improve the team and help the pitching staff would be to upgrade the defense up the middle (the corners aren't the problem).  I like the idea of Lillibridge because it seems like he has been pushed aside by the Braves for some time now.  Atlanta might go for a trade for Reyes and Anthony needs a fresh start somewhere else.  So everyone could benefit from a deal of that nature.      

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 31, 2007 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

BTW
Good job on the first post, too.

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 31, 2007 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff. I love the line
about the "slightly smaller, gaping hole."  It kind of sums up the state of Cardinaldom right now.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 31, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Erik Bedard!!!
If the O's weren't so dumb I wouldn't believe it! I think we have the chips to get this guy. Would Anderson and Duncan get it done? Maybe Reyes as well? Bedard dominates in the AL East, think of what he could do in the NL Central!! I don't know why keep hearing about Garland and Garza and these other guys. Bedard is the best pitcher available on the market.

I think he only has one year left on his deal, does anyone know the numbers for sure?

trade for youth!

by stlknows on Oct 31, 2007 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Rockin Leo
would fall right off the bench.

by RedbirdRay on Oct 31, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's ALREADY...
...off the bench; the O's fired him after this season. I dunno how much of Leo's lack of success in Bal'mer was due to the talent level of the staff (which was pretty bad), and how much was due to the "QuesTec"-ing of the strike zone. In Leo's heyday, pitches "down and away" were called strikes, whether they were actually in the strike zone as written or not!

Leo's basic M.O. was to preach "low and away," and making the next pitch even further "low and away" until the umpire quit calling strikes! Props to Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz, et. al. for being able to consistently hit the catcher's mitt... but with MLB's efforts to have umpires call the written strike zone, those pitches four inches off the plate and two inches below the kneecap are now more likely to be "Ball One" instead of "Strike One"...

But I digress... (wink!)

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Oct 31, 2007 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree...
with everyone, very good post, i like the thought process of fixing the defense first, especially after seeing yesterday how little we have to spend

i also think that the braves not having andrus may take lillibridge off the market because he will be their insurance for escobar

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 31, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

great first post
I don't know that I agree with trying to find MIF help before finding pitching, though when Adam Everett, Edgar Renteria, and Orlando Cabrera will be availible in 2009 to potentially bridge the gap to whatever MIF'ers we've drafted.  I mean, Pete Kozma's gotta do something, sometime, doesn't he?

What minor league free agents are availible this year as far as SS help?  One of Mo's strength is pulling the Ryan Ludwicks, John Rodriguez, etc from that list.

"Well, you wait for a strike. Then you knock the shit out of it. - Musial to Flood on how to hit a curveball

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 31, 2007 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting idea...
and it certainly seems as if there are more middle infielders to be had than pitchers. Nobody ever has "enough" pitching; and GMs tend to be "stoopider" by over-paying FA pitchers rather than trading young pitchers. The cynical side of me adheres to the thought that "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect"; but most teams seem to try to hold on to their young pitchers. (The Tigers are an exception... but they've already got their best young pitchers in The Show!)

Is it possible that "Boog" Ryan could play well enough in Jupiter to win the SS job? Or is he considered to "top out" as a utility guy?

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Oct 31, 2007 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Per Goold
and his Renteria post - the Cards don't see Ryan as a starter.

by Toddius396 on Oct 31, 2007 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

probably correct
I have said I could live with Ryan starting at SS next season just to bridge a gap until we get a good SS.  Now I do not think he is a guy we want starting every day at SS for years to come, he is better back up guy.

Just because he is different than Eck does not mean he is good.  

by ICbirdfan on Oct 31, 2007 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget the outfield
Thanks,Red Baron, for giving a detailed post on what a few of us have been harping on all season- weak defense. Your ideas on improving the infield are good,and yesterday's post by lb shows we must say thanks, but no thanks, to Eckstein. There were many games this past season in which pitchers were hurt by the failure of outfielders to cover their positions- plays that were listed as hits that average to good outfielders would make. The effect on the pitching is hard to calculate by quantitative measure, but none the less real.

by vinniefromjersey on Oct 31, 2007 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Right on the Money with this Post
Good teams are always strong up the middle defensively, we all saw the Tulo show in the NL playoffs.  I agree we need a ss who can cover the ground and has a strong arm, Lillibridge, Hu and Wood all would fill that need.  Lets all hope the new GM can pull a rabbit outta the hat!  On the pitching front, Jeremy Affeldt was a starter with the Royals several years ago is his stuff good enough to be the 2008 version of the Looper experiment.  He would be cheap for a starter

by rajah424 on Oct 31, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Pitchers
evidently schilling has Cards on his list.  Glavine has the Cards on his radar.  Kerry Wood and Bartolo Colon are on my radar.  

by Toddius396 on Oct 31, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

My fingers won't hardly let me type this.....
but Kerry Wood intrigues me as well.
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Oct 31, 2007 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You wanna pay several million
for a damaged reliever?  I'm thinking Wood is gonna command some cash.

I dunno what kind of shape Colon is in.

by sdrone on Oct 31, 2007 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

All we do is turn damaged relievers
into starters.
"Well, you wait for a strike. Then you knock the shit out of it. - Musial to Flood on how to hit a curveball

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 31, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mulder,
Colon, Wood, Glavine, and Schilling... talk about a staff of golden moldies. I'd put the over-under for total starts next season for that group at about 40 with Glavine getting the majority.
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Oct 31, 2007 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

While held together by a lynch-pin
Mark Mulder IS only 30 years old.
"Well, you wait for a strike. Then you knock the shit out of it. - Musial to Flood on how to hit a curveball

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 31, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Analogy
Fixing the MIF before fixing the rotation is like repairing the gutters before repairing the roof so that the water has somewhere to go once we stop the leaks.

Unfortunately, my dinner is still getting wet when it rains and the rest of the house is getting ruined.

"Well, you wait for a strike. Then you knock the shit out of it. - Musial to Flood on how to hit a curveball

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 31, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Funny
That is funny.

But I think his point was there are obviously holes on this team.  The #1 hole is that the Cards do not have a ACE, or #1 starter.  Well the problem is everyone wants that pitcher so its not like it is easy to find that guy.  I think getting MI help is in fact easier at this point and should be a top priority.  Eveyone was agreeing that it is ok for next year to be so/so.  I think the MI of Miles, Ryan, Eck, Kennedy is below average, slow and needs to be fixed asap.  So if that is easier to fix we might was well fix it now.  It is kind of like having a pile of work on your desk and it all needs to get done, well some things are harder to do so why not start on the easy stuff and work fast.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 31, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Cameron?
Mike Cameron was just suspended 25 games for using an illegal stimulant (second offense). Cameron, of course, says he has no idea what it came from (which is interesting why a guy with a broken hand and unable to train baseball wise would be taking stimulants).

Anyways, he'll be down for the first 25 games of the season.  Think we can buy low here?  Give Edmonds, Duncan, Ludwick a 25 game trial run to start the season and whichever one is struggling, send to the bench for Cameron's defense?

"Well, you wait for a strike. Then you knock the shit out of it. - Musial to Flood on how to hit a curveball

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 31, 2007 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No!!!
I like Cameron, but not as a Cardinal. He puts up so-so CF offense, and we have plenty of CF's already. He is a righty, which is good, but much of his value is defensively as a CF, and with Edmonds, Rasmus, Ankiel, and even Ludwick and Schumaker already around, I don't see him as a very good fit at all. His offensive numbers last year were .242 / .328 / .431 (.759 OPS) with a whopping 160 strikeouts.

by willievinceterry on Oct 31, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

NL Central Managers
2005

Pittsburgh - Grady Little
St. Louis - Tony LaRussa
Chicago - Dusty Baker
Houston - Phil Garner
Cincinatti - Jerry Naron
Milwaukee - Ned Yost

2008

Pittsburgh - Phil Garner
St. Louis - Tony LaRussa
Chicago - Lou Pinella
Houston - Cecil Cooper
Cincinatti - Dusty Baker
Milwaukee - Ned Yost

Phil Garner is apparently the front runner for the new Pirates managers job.

So, 4 seasons later the 6 teams will have 4 of the same managers but 2 of them switching teams.

"Well, you wait for a strike. Then you knock the shit out of it. - Musial to Flood on how to hit a curveball

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 31, 2007 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Overpaying for "proven veteran" pitching
is a strategy this organization has employed to its peril in recent seasons.  Why are we advocating continuing down this road with Schilling, Colon, Glavine and the like?  Especially when teams with much more resources at their disposal will be able to push the price well beyond the eight-figure mark per season such fragile pitching will command?

Building a solid core of up-the-middle defense seems to be a wiser use of the scarce resources available to this organization.  Every organization in the majors will chase pitching; why not make sure this team has the best defense possible to chase down the balls given up by the pitch-to-contact staff Dave Duncan will work with?

At any rate, the Rockies were the best fielding team in the majors this season; Boston was fourth.  The Cardinals were 28th.

by LTSmash on Oct 31, 2007 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Mozeliak is the new GM
press conference at 3 pm.

Color me disappointed. This organization may be headed in the wrong direction.

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 31, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm so excited I can't contain myself!
Basically firing Jocketty does nothing, because as far as I can tell, Mo is Jocketty Jr. with a better attitude.
Re-acquire Edgar Renteria

by Mr Redbird on Oct 31, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was supposed to be sarcastic
I re-read it and it looked like I'm sincerely excited.  I'm not.
Re-acquire Edgar Renteria

by Mr Redbird on Oct 31, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...
I hope Mo shows us more than he did in the past few weeks. If not, this organization is sunk.

by JMedwick on Oct 31, 2007 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh
That is not good news at all. Very disappointing.

by willievinceterry on Oct 31, 2007 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry your first post got 'jacked
baron
Well, let's go to the old mill anyway -- get some cider!

by Alxfritz on Oct 31, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. I know.
Stupid newsworthy GM announcement.  
The 2007 offseason: Butter? Or Steel?

by the red baron on Nov 1, 2007 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second that
Great job, Red Baron. Looking forward to reading more next Wednesday.

by liam on Nov 2, 2007 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wha?
Did he agree to work for free?!
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Oct 31, 2007 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Still a great post up above!
CA's waiting for bigger greener pastures, I thought that all along with his being the "Golden Boy", but had begun to think there was chance he might be coming onboard.

...but hey, congrats MO, show us what you're made of so the negs can eat some humble pie in 6 months!!

Improve the Cardinals team spirit, integrity and positive public image...sign Bonds for 08'!

by cardschinmusic on Nov 1, 2007 4:54 AM EDT reply actions  

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