Reds Hire Dusty Baker!
Haha. This made my night! Cincy signs Baker to a 3-year deal to manage the Reds.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3062658
This might be another indication that TLR will stay put, as it takes another potential suiter out of the picture.
I would type more, but I'm going over to the Reds blog to read the reaction over there. Personally, I'd be pretty irate if I were a Reds fan tonight.
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They aren't very happy. Don't think they have had one positive post yet in this thread.
interesting Jocketty reference
by TheFranchise9 on Oct 13, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
say
and Homer Bailey?
by TheFranchise9 on Oct 13, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's
That's the facts, Jack.
no, he was very good
Narron basically just left him in until he failed, earlier in the year.
Cinncy must love losing
They better start stocking up on pitchers with rubber arms.
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 13, 2007 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
Other?
Just get the hell away from St. Louis.
by 26thMan on Oct 14, 2007 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
....lets get negative
by cardschinmusic on Oct 15, 2007 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I just came over to revel too
Hopefully this means we don't have to put up with his boring voice on the radio or baseball tonight anymore.
Checked over at RedReporter
walls closing in....TJ surgeries for all....
i hope i live to regret my knee-jerk feelings of hopelessness and resignation.
by Dubman on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 12:13:21 AM EDT
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 14, 2007 12:30 AM EDT reply actions
this is sad
Probably a Reds fan
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 14, 2007 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Poll at Red Reporter
You may have to vote to see the score. (You don't have to be logged into their site to vote, so vebbers can help them with this one.
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 14, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
Whatever...
I really don't buy the "Ruiner of Young Arms, Destroyer of Prospects Futures, Enabler of Neifi" stuff that gets attributed to his name...
As far as "Ruiner of Young Arms" goes, Wood was/is a ticking time-bomb. The guy had TJ in '98 & subsequent shoulder problems from there on out.. Zambrano seems to be just fine & Prior.. He was supposedly ruined after the '03 playoffs, right? I checked his last start in '04 & he seemed to be all right, don't you think..
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200409300.shtml
On to "Destroyer of Prospects Futures", which Cubs prospects are we talking about here? Corey Patterson? Matt Murton? Ronny Cedeno? Who else?
Patterson was given plenty of time in the minors before he was handed the CF job in '04. In fact, he was having a pretty decent year (for him) in '03, the year Dusty arrived, when a knee injury put him on the shelf for the rest of the year.. Murton & Cedeno also got plenty of MLB AB's to prove what they could do & they did it...
"Enabler of Neifi".. seems like Leyland, who's thought by most to be a pretty good manager, is also in love with Neifi.. Plus, who else is Baker going to play there? What hidden talent did he supress to make room for Neifi / Macias?
Just wondering.. I just don't like it when opinions get too one-sided..
Boomer.
here is an interesting analysis of Dusty's
http://bigredc.blogspot.com/2004/02/dusty-and-pen.html
hardly definitive, just adds fuel.
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 14, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine analysis..
The question still remains:
Were the Prior / Wood injuries Dusty's fault?
So, hypothetically, if you were Dusty Baker, would you send Prior out in the 8th having thrown 95 pitches in a close ballgame or would you bring in Wuertz / Novoa / Ohman /Dempster / Hawkins?
Baker's first year ('03) they won 19 more games than in 2002 (sound familiar Cubs fans?) to get to 88 wins. They won 89 in '04 under Baker, when the franchise hadn't had back-to-back winning seasons in over 30 years..
Here's what another Reds poster had to offer:
If you'd like a frame of reference for just how bad Baker's defiance of pitch counts is, I offer the following:
Aaron Harang, who you claim that Narron was reckless with, has 15 starts in his career where he threw 120+ pitches.
Kerry Wood had 14 starts of 120+ pitches during the 2003 season.
The least we can ask for is a manager who doesn't screw things up, and we're about to hire the one guy who could deep-six the franchise by leaving our stud pitching prospect out there for a 140 pitch outing just to show us how "old school" he is.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 08:22:57 AM EDT
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 14, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wood's total from 120+ pitch starts in '03..
99 2/3 IP; 51 HA; 42 BB; 132 K's; 0.90 ERA..
Cubs record in those games: 10 - 3
3 CG shut-outs in there...
Would you take him out? Knowing that in a tight game in the late innings that Wood also handles the bat very well for a pitcher?
Boomer.
Well, let's see
by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 14, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh..
And in ALL sports, the next game IS the future of the franchise.
Boomer.
I don't get
And yeah, Baker abuses his pitchers. Wood throwing 120+ 14 times in one season is just dumb. Of course he had problems in the past, so why put him in danger again? Prior's problems are a result of declining mechanics, but treating him like a 30 year old workhorse his first two seasons is not smart either. This guy is the future of the pitching staff, you don't fry him for the sake of winning one or two more games in his 1st and 2nd years.
by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 14, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
Hmmm, disagree ...
Dusty could possibly work with the right mix of players, but the Reds gig does not sound promising in any way. Wouldn't be the first bad decision that team has made in the last ten years.
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 15, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Why
by cardsgirl95 on Oct 15, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think the Reds will be better no matter
They played a lot better after Narron left--I don't see Baker as a very good manager, but I'm interested to see how it all plays out.
Tony, Dusty, Yost and Lou in the same division
All we need now is for Bobby Valentine to manage the Pirates.
Assuming Tony will be back next year of course.

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