friday pot luck
bernie now thinks the odds favor tony's return to the st louis dugout. he also speculates --- emphasize "speculate"; bernie is not going on information he's getting from sources --- that
i hope bernie's speculation is off the mark. if it's even the slightest bit accurate, then i gotta wonder whether dewitt really knows what he is doing. asking la russa to stay on is one thing; i don't agree with that decision, but given la russa's track record and his achievements here you can argue that he's earned the right to stay. i won't challenge that argument. but i will challenge the argument that keeping tony in place is such a high priority that it should affect the choice of gms, even indirectly.
no offense to my many esteemed lawyer friends, but this is such classic lawyer behavior by tony. the longer he drags out his decision, the greater the chance that he insinuates himself somehow on the hiring process. you guys are slime. . . . . and i say that with affection and respect.
assorted other items:
- think this through with me: $3.5m for russ springer; $2.25m for ryan franklin. why would you pay your 6th/7th-inning guy more than your 8th-inning guy? particularly when the 6th/7th-inning guy isn't really testing the market, and would just as soon retire as pitch somewhere else? at the time he signed that extension, franklin was sporting an era in the low 1.00s; does he just have a lousy agent? (it's his brother, by the way.) one possibility: maybe the cards are viewing springer as the new 8th-inning guy and paying him accordingly, while penciling in franklin as an affordable innings-eater (which is what i think they should do). i am certainly open to other theories . . . . .there's been a suggestion that dewitt is simply overpaying springer out of compassion, since russ has a developmentally challenged kid. i would hope (and think) that's not true; springer made almost $2 million last year, and has made nearly $10 million over the course of his playing career; there are plenty of needier cases in the st louis area who can use dewitt's charity more than an overpaid jock.
- nice show by the phoenix faithful in game 1 of the nlcs --- don't fill the seats, then chuck trash on the field when your team loses. classy.
- gleaned from joe strauss's online chat on wednesday: "I, for one, believe [free-agent Tom] Glavine would be a solid fit here. He would likely be open to a one-year deal with some sort of option. He received a $3 million buyout from the Mets and could go elsewhere for $8-10 million. Without Carpenter out until at least July, he also offers a much-needed presence. I'm buying." hmmmm; it's true that old left-handers never die; glavine will be 42 next year, and david wells went 15-7 at that age just two years ago, while jamie moyer put up a 13-7 record as a 42-year-old. but since 2004 glavine has a 3.31 era / 1.280 whip at home (ie, pitcher-friendly shea), vs a 4.35 era / 1.444 whip on the road during that span. and the split is getting worse --- in the last two seasons, glavine's basic road stats are 4.63 era / 1.490 whip. he's had a higher road than home era in each of the last four seasons. the mets, who watched him pitch all season, were so optimistic about his outlook for 2008 that they paid him $3m to go away . . . . i'll pass.
- chatmeister strauss also discusses two trade scenarios involving anth reyes. the first: "The Phillies and Cardinals nearly swung a deal involving Reyes. [Outfielder Michael] Bourn was part of the conversation. Those talks could revive this winter." the other, in response to the question "Reyes and who to bring Renteria back?" was: "Toss in Tyler Johnson and it's a done deal." ugh, re the latter idea: two pre-arbitration pitchers in exchange for a single year of edgar renteria? way to build things up for the future. . . . . reyes for bourn, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. bourn has some identifiable skills (excellent on-base ability, terrific speed, good defense), and he's young (24) and cheap and still has some upside. if he got himself established, he could give the cards a leadoff hitter for the next 5 years. if they can convert reyes into that, bravo.
- occasional VEB poster D GOOCH has done some intersting analysis re payroll leverage. not surprisingly, the cards are in a trough . . .
- want a 10-foot-high cardinals bobblehead? it's being auctioned off for charity; here's the link to the auction page. check this thing out:
which cardinal is that, anyway ---- edmonds? i would bid on it myself, but i wouldn't want the bobblehead to clash with our 10-foot-high Viva El Birdos sundial . . . . ha ha ha, kidding; the sundial's only 8 feet high. but seriously, this is for a good cause (the United Way). place a bid and bring the bobble home for El Birdos.
- i received the following press release regarding an upcoming Stan the Man tribute:
As a tribute to his service in the uniform of his country and in recognition of his service to his community, Stan Musial has been chosen for recognition at the upcoming "Lone Sailor" Awards Dinner on Monday, October 29. Hosted by the United States Navy Memorial, the black tie gala will also honor three other celebrated veterans whose service includes duty in the Navy during WWII and duty in the Marine Corps during the Korean conflict: Tom Benson, Morgan L. Fitch, Jr., and The Honorable John Warner (R-Va). This year's event will take place at The Grand Hyatt, 1000 H Street, NW, in Washington, D.C.more information at this link.
Mr. Musial noted: "There's a lot more to being a successful athlete than going to training camp and practicing your game. I wore the Navy uniform proudly in World War II and was honored to serve my country. I am also deeply grateful for the lessons of teamwork, integrity and dedication to mission that have served me throughout my career and my life. I have had the good fortune to receive many awards through the years, but this is truly a standout. "
- jay levin, one of SB Nation's bloggers (he's part of the Let's Go Tribe writing team), is blogging the baseball playoffs for Esquire. i recommend their work, even though levin and his Esquire cohort savaged my (approximate) namesake and kinsman and countryman, joe borowski, in this post. they called him "blowsaveski," the heartless bastards. their alcs preview is due up today; should be interesting, since both writers are diehard indians fans.
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lboros
as far as springer, i am not sure how that affects franklin really, i agree, they may be considering him as an innings eater, but i also wonder if the fact that he came to them kind of set his value? in other words, did he and his brother sell himself short because they wanted to be here?
as far as what springer is getting, how will this affect the overall market for aging middle relievers? i would say it will be going up, but maybe with less years involved; springer figured he could have gotten more on the open market in total value, but not likely as much per season
by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 12, 2007 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said this a couple days ago.
They should be interviewing other canidates to push Tony into a decision. When he whines about how he is underappreciated by the organization, they should remind his greatness that they didn't know he was interested given that he didn't apply for the job.
I already believe that Tony is an arrogant prick, he just continually reminds me that I think too highly of him.
by BigJawnMize on Oct 12, 2007 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bernie is bouncing all over this.
Actually, the 2 choices aren't so stark, there is a lot of gray area between the extremes, but don't count on Bernie to stake out a firm position all the time.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 12, 2007 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR's contract
by indakind on Oct 12, 2007 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa's input/contact
Getting the Isringhausen, Franklin, and Springer deals done is heartening to me, in that whoever the GM is won't have to go through rebuild-from-scratch kind of thing. Maybe they see the opportunity to rebuild while still snagging the NL Central crown every couple years.
by Snacks LaPoint on Oct 12, 2007 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The secret plot...
Anyway, the price paid for Springer is high, at least is for 1 year.
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Oct 12, 2007 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Glavine
by FunkeeC on Oct 12, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Larry said that Glavine is a product of his park
In 2007:
Busch Shea
Runs - 22 23
HR - 28 21
Hits - 12 26
Doubles - 6 24
Triples - 15 13
Unless he is going to Petco, it looks like Busch is a good place for him to keep the ball in the park. Those alarmingly high double and triple rates suprise me, especially with New York running Alou and Green out there in their OF.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errr...
Here are Glavine's numbers for 2007:
Busch III Shea
IP 6.0 97.1
Runs 1 47
ER 1 47
Hits 6 100
HR 0 11
Doubles 1 18
Triples 1 2
Since 1 game (6 IP) is pretty much the definition of a micro-stat, perhaps you wrote "In 2007" and then expanded his Busch stats to cover multiple years?
If you add 2006, you get another 6 IP at new Busch. So for 2006-2007 in Busch III:
12.0 IP
4 Runs
4 ER
13 Hits
0 HR
2 2B
1 3B
At any rate, since Busch is now clearly a more pitcher-friendly park than most stadiums (according to the latest data) the argument is still valid.
HOWEVER, his ERA+ for 2007 was a mere 96, plus his strikeouts are way down and his walk rate is up. So if the argument is for a 42 y/o league-average (at best) innings eater with declining peripherals for about $10 million, I'd pass.
by Mr Clean on Oct 12, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, my numbers would be the MLB rank
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU
My head no longer hurts.
by Mr Clean on Oct 12, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I originally had 'rank'
I wouldn't pay him more than $8 M with some decent incentives in the contract that could take it up to $10 M if he performs well.
If they need a stopgap, they could do worse.
If signing Tom Glavine to a 1-year, $8.5 M contract keeps them from signing Livan Hernandez to a 3 year - $27 M contract...I'm all for it.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
i am scared to death that they will make an offer like that for livan, and would much rather have a single year of tommy at 8-10 mil
by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 12, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine opted out
Oct 5 The Associated Press reports New York Mets SP Tom Glavine declined a $13 million option for the 2008 season, making himself eligible for free agency this offseason. Glavine will receive a $3 million buyout in addition to the $7.5 million salary he earned this season.
Down the stretch this year for the Mets he was streaky...either great or got tagged. He's probably worth the risk...If any one could get a second wind in STL, I'd bet on Glavine.
by DesmetMattdNYC on Oct 12, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reports in the MSM...
Not sayin' he couldn't sign with the Birds... but I don't think he will...
by The Ol Goaler on Oct 12, 2007 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bobblehead
Not bad for $500. It'd look good in my living room.
by sjoshi on Oct 12, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, it wouldn't fit
by effin fisk on Oct 12, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slime?
For such an objective writer to stoop to this is unexpected and disappointing. And to alienate your lawyer readership... perhaps you should be nicknamed "burnbridgeski".
In truth, I'm joking. I am not offended in the least, and I actually laughed aloud when I read your lawyer remarks. I still don't think this is a lawyerly decision, it's more like a businessman leveraging power in an organization. That they're allowing him to have so much power is the amazing thing.
by lawman3842 on Oct 12, 2007 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
In my company, about a third of his have law degrees and the other 2/3rds don't. However, it is sport for some to always get a dig at the lawyers who represent the firms we deal with. To me, it is pandering to the audience, the equivalent of a band coming out, and saying, "Its great to be in INSERT CITY HERE!"
So I when forced to talk, I make it a habit of knocking another profession.
by Brock20 on Oct 12, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i admit, it was a total cheap shot
by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"kill all the lawyers"
by vinniefromjersey on Oct 12, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawyers....
It seems to me that DeWitt has set the course of the Cardinals to WIN next year..so if that is true, Tony is a good choice to still lead the team. Period. As to sharing who the candidates are for the GM spot, I think Tony has a right to know at least that before accepting the job. He's earned that much in my book.
And just to end this in a lawyery way?
" What's the difference between a Lawyer and a Prostitute?
The Prostitute will stop F**King you when you are dead...
by Timbo02 on Oct 12, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is
by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2007 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kriss Kross is always popular
by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kill all the sawyers!
by Snacks LaPoint on Oct 12, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel bad...
Oh... marine biologists can suck my left one.
by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's
They like to act if THEY were in that situation they'd only ask for a fraction of what the current athletes make and gracefully do whatever for whatever team they play on....which is total bullshit.
Like it or not, it's a job. People like to frame it as it were "a kids game" and etc. Well it may be a fun job, but it's still a hard, long, grinding, stress filled job. Pro-athletes have to attribute playing baseball externally, meaning they play because they have to vs. when they were kids and play because they wanted to.
by rocKStark5 on Oct 12, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're very fortunate individuals
by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Springer
As for an inning-eating 5th/6th starter alternative to Franklin, I suppose it's time for me to start beating the Chris "The Missile" Gissell drum again. He had a lousy year for Seibu and might take a minor-league contract w/ NRI. He's got a 2.77 K:BB in his AAA career, averaging 7.55 K/9 at that level.
by liam on Oct 12, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But then why DID he get the raise?
by sdrone on Oct 12, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work
by Zubin on Oct 12, 2007 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks Z
by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they call this "foreshadowing"
by effin fisk on Oct 12, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Mike Bourn
Make it happen, Mo.
by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In one of the diaries
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the major league level
by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since it's a pot luck
Surprised nothing said about Abraham Nunez being released by Philly. Yes, yes... I know, he had 2 horrible years in Philly, but then again, it was Philly. Is this another guy who could be brought in on the cheap and reunited with pal Pujols to become the player he was last time around?
by jomfa on Oct 12, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad defense?
In contrast, Rolen had a .965 and .969 fielding percentage the last two years (respectively). I really don't see the stats suggesting Nunez as a significantly sub-par 3B (defensively) when his numbers aren't that much shy of Rolen - who sets the standard for gold-glove defense at the hot corner.
In fact, for this years regular season, a fielding percentage of .963 would place you above average in the league for 3B with 500 or more innings (30 players meet this threshhold and only 12 had .963 or greater).
Look, I didn't suggest a replacement for Rolen, but it's possible he would be a nice bench player to have again and most likely would cost very little. Suggesting he's a bad 3B just doesn't make sense to me.
by jomfa on Oct 12, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
by rocKStark5 on Oct 12, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abraham Nunez
by jjray on Oct 12, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple things
Second, in Bernie's blog offering today he writes that Springer will get $2.5MM instead of the 3.5MM that's been reported. Curious.
by meat on Oct 12, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm betting $2.5m is just a typo
by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could be incentivized...
by kindred on Oct 12, 2007 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin Cowherd
I'm also tired of him and other radio pundits talking about how good the ALCS is with the starting pitching, when the NL has had good games without all the big names. I will be so happy if/when Colorado or Arizona win it all.
by saladdays on Oct 12, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
A true baseball fan enjoys a good game reguardless of who is on the field. The game does not have to be Yankees vs. Red Sox at Yankee stadium for a game to be good.
Like a buddy and I discussed baseball actually gets worse come postseason. There is nothing like baseball in late June when there is no hype. During playoff baseball you get horrible braodcasters and the national media starts discussing stuff and they have zero idea about any of the teams. Heck the Cubs one figures is a well know team and there were so many mistakes made during the Cubs series by TV guys it was obvious they did not do any research or follow the Cubs at all.
Everything in the postseason is about ratings and other BS. I enjoy just watching a game and could really care less if ARod, Joe Torre, Jeter, Big Papi, Manny, or Schilling are around.
by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you say is true
by saladdays on Oct 12, 2007 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One word:
You're obviously getting something out of it. Kind of in the "I am repulsed, yet I cannot look away" sense.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 12, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NL not interesting?
by Elvis on Oct 12, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of those
If the NLCS was the Cardinals vs. The Marlins or Astros vs. Padres they would be saying the same things.
Remember in 2004 when the Cards and Astros had an epic NLCS...that was a complete afterthought to the ALCS.
They were hoping for the Phillies vs. Cubs series and didn't get it so they could care less now.
But as long as either the Yankees or Red Sox are still invloved anything from the National League maybe other than a Mets vs. Phillies series will always take a backseat to the East Coast American League big spending teams.
If the Angels would have upset the Red Sox, I can bet the media types would now be calling this year's playoffs one of the worst one's ever. And would be bitching about how baseball needs to change this and that to the playoff formats.
by KYCards on Oct 12, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that
Is that a Dusty team? Isn't he a guy who likes a lot of veterans so he can sit back and just manage personalities. You know Dusty would probably be a good NY Yankees manager. Dusty is good at managing personalities, which is what Torre seems to be good at doing.
by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are pitchers and bullpen issues
by sdrone on Oct 12, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homer Bailey's mother
by azruavatar on Oct 12, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix faithful...
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Oct 12, 2007 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They're still apathetic
by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
SnakesFan1: BOOOOOOOOOOO! <throws water bottle onto the field>
YOU SUCK, BLUE!
SnakesFan2: Booo.
SnakesFan3: Eh.
SnakesFan4: What just happened?
SnakesFan5: Hey, beer man!
by Mr Clean on Oct 12, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mozeliak's signing indicate to me
rabid fanbase, new stadium, improving farm system and a new focus to make it better...going back to the old school would be murder for the long term livelihood of this team. antonetti is the man, imo. tlr needs to go away.
by erik on Oct 12, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinkging
What is it you like about Antonetti?
And that is a "I don't know much about him" question...not a "what are you thinking" question.
by Harknights on Oct 12, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
by eglasier on Oct 12, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's pretty clear now
The re-signing of Izzy, Springer and now the talk of Eckstein's agent talking to Mozeliak is giving us a pretty good picture of what DeWitt's true vision of the club is right now. And that to pretty much stay the same. To go with the vets we have had the past few years and keep the team on auto pilot.
It just doesn't make sense that Mozeliak would be given the power to re-sign our returning vets if there was really any plan to make some major changes. And from the looks of things right now the only change for the Cards next year will be maybe a pitcher or two a back-up catcher and higher ticket prices.
by KYCards on Oct 12, 2007 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeWitt
by cardsrul on Oct 12, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think any of this is
Some of these moves to lock up parts of the bullpen seem like common-sense moves that any GM would make ... I wouldn't read too much into it. Now if they trade Scott Rolen tomorrow, THAT's another story.
I think it's dangerous to assume that Moz is a Jocketty clone. Might be, but just because he worked well under Jocketty doesn't mean he wouldn't do the job very differently.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 12, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of this
Do you all want to see a full-on fire-sale and rebuild here?
by silent_bob on Oct 12, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rabid fanbase, new stadium
He got his money last year, as all those games were sellouts but people stopped showing up for the games. Empty seats behind HP, upperdecks a sea of red empty seats.
He was going to raise ticket prices this year. I think he knew that if he started selling off parts, cleaning house, he'd lose about 10-15% in attendance.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking for clarification
I attended the fan appreciation night yesterday and was suprised by a comment made by Rick Horton during the Q & A and was looking for an answer.
It went something like this:
Q: If TLR does not return who do you feel will be the new manager?
RH: (paraphrasing) No front runner.... Terry Pendleton, Van Slyke, Oquendo, Joe Giardi, Jim Riggleman... to name a few.
Then Jay Randolph and Alan Benes gave their 2 cents and Rick wanted the mic back to say the following, which I found a little wierd.
RH: ... or we could hire Bernie Mikalaz(sp?) or Joe Strauss as manager and write about them for a change!
Sounds to me like he has a major grudge against those guys in general or the paper itself. Just wanted to know what was behind it and I figured if anyone would know it would be you guys.
by Sea N Red on Oct 12, 2007 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubt any grudge
by liam on Oct 12, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joke
by StLHugo on Oct 12, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
n/t
by Sea N Red on Oct 12, 2007 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tongue in cheek
by ArachNerd on Oct 12, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuzzy picture
Jocketty and Lunhow couldn't co-exist. Dewitt chose Lunhow. However, this caused a chain reaction of other issues.
Dewitt knows he has a cash cow and he wants to win and for people to keep buying tickets...to dump Jocketty was an unpopular move and he knows it. To lose LaRussa would make it worse and likely cause a revolt from many fans...unless LaRussa is the one who bolts.
Dewitt is facing a PR nightmare: He has to show that he wants to win in 2008 and that he is not cheap. He needs short-term, PR solutions.
Problem:
Cards' fans think Dewitt is cheap and he is raising ticket prices. They also fear a fire sale.
Solution:
Promise the world that he will spend more money on payroll to make the team competitive. Bring back Izzy and Springer as evidence...to start.
Problem:
Fans fear that the firing of Jocketty will lead to a non-competitive, re-building phase.
Solution:
Make every effort to show that you want Tony back which signals that you are committed to winning in 2008. Signing veterans Springer and Izzy shows that you are not rebuilding and sends that message to Tony.
Problem:
You don't have a GM and you want the manager to stay without knowing who his new boss will be.
Solution:
Let the manager in on the hiring process.
Problem:
Cards' fans are not going to fall for the promise to raise payroll and "dry powder" arguments for a 3rd straight year.
Solution: ???? but probably will have to include a high profile free agent or trade.
So far, I think Dewitt is doing a fine job of trying to weather the storm. However, is weathering the storm the path he should take?
by Elvis on Oct 12, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My 26 cents
Problem 2: I've already steeled myself for a team that will be worse in 2008 than in 2007. Right now, this team is Pujols, Izzy, Wainwright and 22 stiffs. Anyone who thinks we can compete in '08 is in denial.
Problem 3: Tony can go scratch. If he wants in on the GM hiring process, he can sign the contract that's on the table, which I hope doesn't happen. Otherwise, he should just STFU.
Problem 4: Why shell out $$$$ for a brand-name free agent when it won't make the team that much better, given the holes and talent level of the team?
Weathering the storm has been the M.O. for the past couple of years, and it produced two mediocre teams, one that was a fluke champion.
DeWitt should hand TLR a bus ticket to somewhere far, far away, then hire one of the Whiz Kid math students that other, smarter posters have mentioned (Antonetti, DePodesta). The new GM can then hire a field manager that will get with the new program. Don't care who it is, as long as it's not TLR or Johnnie B.
I'll hang up and listen.
by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
by rockin redbird on Oct 12, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not just that
by SleepyCA on Oct 12, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Springer vs. Franklin money...
by kindred on Oct 12, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And this...
I hope the Yanks offer him a job...I can't see him passing that up.
by bobbyballgame1 on Oct 12, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
His wife would have a breakdown from reading all of the negative press. Besides, that puts him another 1000 miles away from his family.
Not saying it is impossible, but very unlikely.
by Elvis on Oct 12, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR
TLR will not coach the Yankees. He has nothing to prove and he knows how tough the media is. If he was 10 years younger I could see it, but at this point it makes no sense. TLR is not a stupid man so he will not be with the Yankees.
by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that Philly OF but...
by GOOCH24 on Oct 12, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we don't have a leadoff man
also, bourn is simply a better player than the others mentioned, except for colby. he's a year younger than mather but is already in the majors, while mather has just barely reached triple A. jay probably needs a full year at double A; and marti is god knows how old, and just reached triple A.
by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Bourn plays a pretty good RF. He played very well at Wrigley and that is a tough OF to play.
by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like a player on the roster that has
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan
Yes he has good trade value but where is the pop going to come from? Everyone seems to think even with Albert and Dunc we still need another bat with pop. If Duncan leaves we need two bats.
Not a good idea to trade Dunc unless you are getting a lot, and I am not talking prospects.
by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobblehead
by brindled on Oct 12, 2007 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's that elusive player
by cardsgirlinAR on Oct 12, 2007 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as it's friday potluck
"Add the salaries of C.C. Sabathia, Fausto Carmona, Grady Sizemore, Franklin Guttierrez, Jhonny Peralta, Chris Gomez, Rafael Betancourt, Rafael Perez and Ryan Garko.
Now what do you have?
About a half million less than J.D. Drew."
ouch and double ouch.
by sdesserman on Oct 12, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia
Same point, though but it's a tad misleading. Pick the teams ace, a All-Star CF they bid on earlier than any team had ever done for a young player and a bunch of guys who were in AAA last year to deride a terrible contract.
Watch what I can do:
What does Josh Beckett, Hideki Okajima, Johnathan Papelbon, Kevin Youkilis, Jacoby Ellsbury and Dustin Pedroia cost you?
As much as Jake Westbrook.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, except that
- carmona's nearly the ace that sabathia is while okajima certainly isn't.
- westbrook's made a more significant contribution to his team than drew to his.
- westbrook is not nearly the national punchline that drew is.
- your math is funny - beckett (3/30), westbrook (3/33). the rest of the players that you list ad up to more that 1 mil per year.
by sdesserman on Oct 12, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about the life of the contract?
Josh Beckett - $6 M
Hideki Okajima - $1.2 M
Johnathan Papelbon $442K
Kevin Youkilis - $442K
Jacoby Ellsbury - $383K
Dustin Pedroia - $383K
Total = $8.85 M
Jake Westbrook - $8.1 M
As much (there abouts) as Jake Westbrook.
As far as Okajima's talent, he ranked 9th in holds (to go with his 5 saves) and was a fantastic setup guy for the player deemed 'the best closer in baseball this year' Johnthan Papelbon on that list, of course until Eric Gagne came in and started crapping on the teams mojo.
The point I'm trying to make is that while the Drew signing is embarrassing, the way that was written is misleading just for the sake of humor.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old Guys
by Titus Pullo on Oct 12, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
glavine
"the mets, who watched him pitch all season, were so optimistic about his outlook for 2008 that they paid him $3m to go away . . . . i'll pass."
my understanding is that he turned down his option with the mets, not vice versa, although i could be wrong.
by willievinceterry on Oct 12, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs



















