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bernie now thinks the odds favor tony's return to the st louis dugout. he also speculates --- emphasize "speculate"; bernie is not going on information he's getting from sources --- that

after their little back-and-forth in the newspaper earlier this week about the process to hire a GM, I have a feeling that La Russa has been brought into the loop by DeWitt, and Tony is being kept informed about who they are talking to, and why. I'm not saying TLR is part of the search process in the GM hiring; what I'm saying is, I have a reason to believe that DeWitt is going to respect La Russa's input. . . . La Russa will know in advance who the GM is, and in one form or another, he will have given a thumbs-up.
the suggestion is not that tony is being given veto power over the gm hire; that's not what bernie is theorizing. but i do worry that, consciously or not, dewitt is going to consider "compatibility with tony" a criterion in the evaluation of candidates. and it shouldn't be. suppose an applicant has a stellar resume, comes with glowing recommendations, and aces the interview --- but says at the end the interview, "i need the right to hire my own field manager. i can't succeed otherwise." is that guy out of the mix?

i hope bernie's speculation is off the mark. if it's even the slightest bit accurate, then i gotta wonder whether dewitt really knows what he is doing. asking la russa to stay on is one thing; i don't agree with that decision, but given la russa's track record and his achievements here you can argue that he's earned the right to stay. i won't challenge that argument. but i will challenge the argument that keeping tony in place is such a high priority that it should affect the choice of gms, even indirectly.

no offense to my many esteemed lawyer friends, but this is such classic lawyer behavior by tony. the longer he drags out his decision, the greater the chance that he insinuates himself somehow on the hiring process. you guys are slime. . . . . and i say that with affection and respect.

assorted other items:

  • think this through with me: $3.5m for russ springer; $2.25m for ryan franklin. why would you pay your 6th/7th-inning guy more than your 8th-inning guy? particularly when the 6th/7th-inning guy isn't really testing the market, and would just as soon retire as pitch somewhere else? at the time he signed that extension, franklin was sporting an era in the low 1.00s; does he just have a lousy agent? (it's his brother, by the way.) one possibility: maybe the cards are viewing springer as the new 8th-inning guy and paying him accordingly, while penciling in franklin as an affordable innings-eater (which is what i think they should do). i am certainly open to other theories . . . . .there's been a suggestion that dewitt is simply overpaying springer out of compassion, since russ has a developmentally challenged kid. i would hope (and think) that's not true; springer made almost $2 million last year, and has made nearly $10 million over the course of his playing career; there are plenty of needier cases in the st louis area who can use dewitt's charity more than an overpaid jock.
  • nice show by the phoenix faithful in game 1 of the nlcs --- don't fill the seats, then chuck trash on the field when your team loses. classy.
  • gleaned from joe strauss's online chat on wednesday: "I, for one, believe [free-agent Tom] Glavine would be a solid fit here. He would likely be open to a one-year deal with some sort of option. He received a $3 million buyout from the Mets and could go elsewhere for $8-10 million. Without Carpenter out until at least July, he also offers a much-needed presence. I'm buying." hmmmm; it's true that old left-handers never die; glavine will be 42 next year, and david wells went 15-7 at that age just two years ago, while jamie moyer put up a 13-7 record as a 42-year-old. but since 2004 glavine has a 3.31 era / 1.280 whip at home (ie, pitcher-friendly shea), vs a 4.35 era / 1.444 whip on the road during that span. and the split is getting worse --- in the last two seasons, glavine's basic road stats are 4.63 era / 1.490 whip. he's had a higher road than home era in each of the last four seasons. the mets, who watched him pitch all season, were so optimistic about his outlook for 2008 that they paid him $3m to go away . . . . i'll pass.
  • chatmeister strauss also discusses two trade scenarios involving anth reyes. the first: "The Phillies and Cardinals nearly swung a deal involving Reyes. [Outfielder Michael] Bourn was part of the conversation. Those talks could revive this winter." the other, in response to the question "Reyes and who to bring Renteria back?" was: "Toss in Tyler Johnson and it's a done deal." ugh, re the latter idea: two pre-arbitration pitchers in exchange for a single year of edgar renteria? way to build things up for the future. . . . . reyes for bourn, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. bourn has some identifiable skills (excellent on-base ability, terrific speed, good defense), and he's young (24) and cheap and still has some upside. if he got himself established, he could give the cards a leadoff hitter for the next 5 years. if they can convert reyes into that, bravo.
  • occasional VEB poster D GOOCH has done some intersting analysis re payroll leverage. not surprisingly, the cards are in a trough . . .
  • want a 10-foot-high cardinals bobblehead? it's being auctioned off for charity; here's the link to the auction page. check this thing out:

    which cardinal is that, anyway ---- edmonds? i would bid on it myself, but i wouldn't want the bobblehead to clash with our 10-foot-high Viva El Birdos sundial . . . . ha ha ha, kidding; the sundial's only 8 feet high. but seriously, this is for a good cause (the United Way). place a bid and bring the bobble home for El Birdos.
  • i received the following press release regarding an upcoming Stan the Man tribute:
    As a tribute to his service in the uniform of his country and in recognition of his service to his community, Stan Musial has been chosen for recognition at the upcoming "Lone Sailor" Awards Dinner on Monday, October 29. Hosted by the United States Navy Memorial, the black tie gala will also honor three other celebrated veterans whose service includes duty in the Navy during WWII and duty in the Marine Corps during the Korean conflict: Tom Benson, Morgan L. Fitch, Jr., and The Honorable John Warner (R-Va). This year's event will take place at The Grand Hyatt, 1000 H Street, NW, in Washington, D.C.

    Mr. Musial noted: "There's a lot more to being a successful athlete than going to training camp and practicing your game. I wore the Navy uniform proudly in World War II and was honored to serve my country. I am also deeply grateful for the lessons of teamwork, integrity and dedication to mission that have served me throughout my career and my life. I have had the good fortune to receive many awards through the years, but this is truly a standout. "

    more information at this link.
  • jay levin, one of SB Nation's bloggers (he's part of the Let's Go Tribe writing team), is blogging the baseball playoffs for Esquire. i recommend their work, even though levin and his Esquire cohort savaged my (approximate) namesake and kinsman and countryman, joe borowski, in this post. they called him "blowsaveski," the heartless bastards. their alcs preview is due up today; should be interesting, since both writers are diehard indians fans.

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lboros
i have no idea how you are able to come up with such good content day after day, but you do, and for that you deserve praise

as far as springer, i am not sure how that affects franklin really, i agree, they may be considering him as an innings eater, but i also wonder if the fact that he came to them kind of set his value? in other words, did he and his brother sell himself short because they wanted to be here?

as far as what springer is getting, how will this affect the overall market for aging middle relievers? i would say it will be going up, but maybe with less years involved; springer figured he could have gotten more on the open market in total value, but not likely as much per season

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 12, 2007 8:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I said this a couple days ago.
This Larussa situation is total BS.  The team actually has the leverage--they have many quality canidates that would kill for the job--and they are blowing it.  If what Bernie says is the case they have a man no longer on the payroll influencing major personel decisions. Gawd, I hope they are paying Tony a consulting fee for all the effing help he is providing.

They should be interviewing other canidates to push Tony into a decision.  When he whines about how he is underappreciated by the organization, they should remind his greatness that they didn't know he was interested given that he didn't apply for the job.

I already believe that Tony is an arrogant prick, he just continually reminds me that I think too highly of him.

by BigJawnMize on Oct 12, 2007 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bernie is bouncing all over this.
Recently he said player development and rebuilding is the way to go and he supports it.  A day or two later he said you can't have player development and rebuilding and also have TLR as manager.  Then he goes on to say he WANTS TLR to remain manager.  So was he kidding about the player development?

Actually, the 2 choices aren't so stark, there is a lot of gray area between the extremes, but don't count on Bernie to stake out a firm position all the time.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 12, 2007 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR's contract
Just so you know, Tony is under contract through December 31. Unlike most organizations, the Cards write contracts that run the whole year (at least for coaches).

by indakind on Oct 12, 2007 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LaRussa's input/contact
I'm not that worried. I think all this still aligns with the idea that TLR would like to wait to hear who the new GM is before asking for a new contract. I've got no problem with that. I don't see anything here that points to Dewitt letting TLR help choose the GM--but if there is, that's Dewitt's stupidity. No fault of TLR's.

Getting the Isringhausen, Franklin, and Springer deals done is heartening to me, in that whoever the GM is won't have to go through rebuild-from-scratch kind of thing. Maybe they see the opportunity to rebuild while still snagging the NL Central crown every couple years.

by Snacks LaPoint on Oct 12, 2007 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The secret plot...
... is to sell Franklin. Why not bank on his past year and his low salary, when you have Kinney coming back from surgery and Perez Sillman adn Worrel ready to show something? I suspect that it could be better to sell him high than to use him as a starter, especially if trading him + eating salary can get Renteria, without the addition of Reyes (that could be traded to the phillies...)

Anyway, the price paid for Springer is high, at least is for 1 year.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Oct 12, 2007 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Glavine
I believe he opted out of his player option, the Mets did not get rid of him. Not that I'm saying that he would be the answer to all the Cards pitching woes, but there are definitely worse short term option available.

by FunkeeC on Oct 12, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry said that Glavine is a product of his park
if that is the case, then Busch may be his cup of tea.

In 2007:

          Busch    Shea
Runs    -  22       23
HR      -  28       21
Hits    -  12       26
Doubles -   6       24
Triples -  15       13

Unless he is going to Petco, it looks like Busch is a good place for him to keep the ball in the park.  Those alarmingly high double and triple rates suprise me, especially with New York running Alou and Green out there in their OF.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Errr...
Dude, your premise is good, but those numbers are all wrong.  How did you come up with them?

Here are Glavine's numbers for 2007:

             Busch III   Shea    
IP              6.0      97.1
Runs             1        47
ER               1        47
Hits             6       100
HR               0        11
Doubles          1        18
Triples          1         2

Since 1 game (6 IP) is pretty much the definition of a micro-stat, perhaps you wrote "In 2007" and then expanded his Busch stats to cover multiple years?

If you add 2006, you get another 6 IP at new Busch.  So for 2006-2007 in Busch III:  

12.0 IP
4    Runs
4    ER
13   Hits
0    HR
2    2B
1    3B

At any rate, since Busch is now clearly a more pitcher-friendly park than most stadiums (according to the latest data) the argument is still valid.

HOWEVER, his ERA+ for 2007 was a mere 96, plus his strikeouts are way down and his walk rate is up.  So if the argument is for a 42 y/o league-average (at best) innings eater with declining peripherals for about $10 million, I'd pass.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Oct 12, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, my numbers would be the MLB rank
of the respective ballparks in 2007.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU
I couldn't for the LIFE of me figure them out.

My head no longer hurts.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Oct 12, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I originally had 'rank'
on there but highlighted it and typed over it when I put 'code' in.

I wouldn't pay him more than $8 M with some decent incentives in the contract that could take it up to $10 M if he performs well.

If they need a stopgap, they could do worse.

If signing Tom Glavine to a 1-year, $8.5 M contract keeps them from signing Livan Hernandez to a 3 year - $27 M contract...I'm all for it.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree
on that last point hardcore

i am scared to death that they will make an offer like that for livan, and would much rather have a single year of tommy at 8-10 mil

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 12, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glavine opted out
is correct:
Oct 5 The Associated Press reports New York Mets SP Tom Glavine declined a $13 million option for the 2008 season, making himself eligible for free agency this offseason. Glavine will receive a $3 million buyout in addition to the $7.5 million salary he earned this season.

   Down the stretch this year for the Mets he was streaky...either great or got tagged.  He's probably worth the risk...If any one could get a second wind in STL, I'd bet on Glavine.

by DesmetMattdNYC on Oct 12, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reports in the MSM...
...indicate Glavine is considering either retirement or a return to the Braves.

Not sayin' he couldn't sign with the Birds... but I don't think he will...

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Oct 12, 2007 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep...
... i'd expect Glavine to sign a 1 yr. contract with the Braves at below-market value ($7mn? less?). i don't think he wants to play anywhere else.

by kindred on Oct 12, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bobblehead
Apparently it's TBS' mascot Post Season Pete.

Not bad for $500. It'd look good in my living room.

by sjoshi on Oct 12, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, it wouldn't fit
in my living room. I'd probably have to cut the head off to get it to fit, which would sort of defeat the purpose...

by effin fisk on Oct 12, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slime?
I agree with you on Tony's manipulation of the situation being "slimey", but the fact that he's a lawyer has nothing to do with it, except that it makes him look slimier to people who already dislike lawyers.

For such an objective writer to stoop to this is unexpected and disappointing. And to alienate your lawyer readership... perhaps you should be nicknamed "burnbridgeski".

In truth, I'm joking. I am not offended in the least, and I actually laughed aloud when I read your lawyer remarks. I still don't think this is a lawyerly decision, it's more like a businessman leveraging power in an organization. That they're allowing him to have so much power is the amazing thing.

by lawman3842 on Oct 12, 2007 10:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep...
bad lawyering on the Cards side to let TLR take so much control of the situation.  But then again, I'm slime what do I know?  Just kidding Larry.

In my company, about a third of his have law degrees and the other 2/3rds don't.  However, it is sport for some to always get a dig at the lawyers who represent the firms we deal with.  To me, it is pandering to the audience, the equivalent of a band coming out, and saying, "Its great to be in INSERT CITY HERE!"

So I when forced to talk, I make it a habit of knocking another profession.  

by Brock20 on Oct 12, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i admit, it was a total cheap shot
but the heyday of anti-lawyer jokes was 10 or 15 years ago --- doesn't that mean it's about time for them to cycle through the nostalgia phase, and briefly become popular again?

by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"kill all the lawyers"
     Shakespeare, Henry VI

by vinniefromjersey on Oct 12, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lawyers....
Look, I'm not a lawyer...but I get so tired sometimes of how most people talk about LaRussa as being F.Lee Baily, just because he passed the Bar. Has he EVER handled ONE case or trial?  No...so just because you have passed the Bar, that doesn't make you a lawywer... lets not forget that.
 It seems to me that DeWitt has set the course of the Cardinals to WIN next year..so if that is true, Tony is a good choice to still lead the team. Period. As to sharing who the candidates are for the GM spot, I think Tony has a right to know at least that before accepting the job. He's earned that much in my book.

And just to end this in a lawyery way?
" What's the difference between a Lawyer and a Prostitute?

The Prostitute will stop F**King you when you are dead...

by Timbo02 on Oct 12, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is
Kriss Kross popular again?
Well, let's go to the old mill anyway -- get some cider!

by Alxfritz on Oct 12, 2007 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
Clearly our favorite blogger was not a early 90's hiphop fan.....

Mack daddy will make you..jump! Jump!

by FunkeeC on Oct 12, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kill all the sawyers!
Since lawyer jokes and other slams are so outdated, I decided recently that I would  try to start an anti-sawyer campaign. Those bloodsuckers have gotten off way too easy, what with their sawmills and the like.

by Snacks LaPoint on Oct 12, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't feel bad...
The journalist types get slammed here all the time.

Oh... marine biologists can suck my left one.

by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's
usually hypocritical when fans chastise pro-athletes for greed and such.  People act like Pro-Athletes should be martyrs, sacrificing themselves for the good of the team.  

They like to act if THEY were in that situation they'd only ask for a fraction of what the current athletes make and gracefully do whatever for whatever team they play on....which is total bullshit.  

Like it or not, it's a job.  People like to frame it as it were "a kids game" and etc.  Well it may be a fun job, but it's still a hard, long, grinding, stress filled job.  Pro-athletes have to attribute playing baseball externally, meaning they play because they have to vs. when they were kids and play because they wanted to.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Oct 12, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Springer
I doubt he got the raise for compassion's sake. Russ is a charitable dude—he got half the pitching staff to join in on Zito's Strikeouts for Troops charity.

As for an inning-eating 5th/6th starter alternative to Franklin, I suppose it's time for me to start beating the Chris "The Missile" Gissell drum again. He had a lousy year for Seibu and might take a minor-league contract w/ NRI. He's got a 2.77 K:BB in his AAA career, averaging 7.55 K/9 at that level.

by liam on Oct 12, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But then why DID he get the raise?
That seems a lot of cash - you'd think we'd have learned after blowing bux on Looper.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work
on the pot luck lb.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Oct 12, 2007 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks Z
i originally had included the pujols THT article you e-mailed me about, but i had too much to say about it; too meaty for a pot-luck post.

by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe they call this "foreshadowing"
Do you prepare "just-in-case" stories like the one the Post-Dispatch accidentally pushed live for Tony's departure? :)

by effin fisk on Oct 12, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mike Bourn
A career MiLB on-base of .377 and 164 steals with an 85% success rate? Put him in CF, and we have our new leadoff man.

Make it happen, Mo.

by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In one of the diaries
I was all over this.  Now, if I could remember which one....
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the major league level
he has some platoon issues, though. Sample size and all that.

by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur
I'd be quite pleased with that particular youngster wearing the BOB.

Sign me up as a fan of that move.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Oct 12, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since it's a pot luck
Let me add a topic...

Surprised nothing said about Abraham Nunez being released by Philly. Yes, yes... I know, he had 2 horrible years in Philly, but then again, it was Philly. Is this another guy who could be brought in on the cheap and reunited with pal Pujols to become the player he was last time around?

by jomfa on Oct 12, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad defense?
2005 with the Cardinals was the first year he ever played any real time at 3B and had a fielding percentage of .963 (10 errors in 720.2 innings). While in Philly, he logged slightly fewer innings at 3B, but still had a fielding percentage at .960 with less than 10 errors each season.

In contrast, Rolen had a .965 and .969 fielding percentage the last two years (respectively). I really don't see the stats suggesting Nunez as a significantly sub-par 3B (defensively) when his numbers aren't that much shy of Rolen - who sets the standard for gold-glove defense at the hot corner.

In fact, for this years regular season, a fielding percentage of .963 would place you above average in the league for 3B with 500 or more innings (30 players meet this threshhold and only 12 had .963 or greater).

Look, I didn't suggest a replacement for Rolen, but it's possible he would be a nice bench player to have again and most likely would cost very little. Suggesting he's a bad 3B just doesn't make sense to me.

by jomfa on Oct 12, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude
fielding pct is a horrible way to assess a fielder.  
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Oct 12, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Abraham Nunez
If he comes back, then he's a replacement for Miles.  I'm not sure if that is an upgrade.

by jjray on Oct 12, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple things
The Bobblehead's number is 6.  Um, yeah...looks...just like The Man.  Especially the black batting glove...

Second, in Bernie's blog offering today he writes that Springer will get $2.5MM instead of the 3.5MM that's been reported.  Curious.

youneverknow

by meat on Oct 12, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm betting $2.5m is just a typo
it's $3.5m per every source, including the official site

by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it could be incentivized...
... with a base of $2.5mn and another $1mn in easily-reached incentives. this sort of protects the team if he breaks down.

by kindred on Oct 12, 2007 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

instead
of dewitt giving springer more because of his kid, which i doubt, springer should be giving us a discount for not dealing him at the deadline

by bigmcq16 on Oct 12, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd
is making me sick with his talk about how the NL is so not "interesting."  I mean, seriously, he bases some of his argument on the fact he doesn't know many of the players.  Please.

I'm also tired of him and other radio pundits talking about how good the ALCS is with the starting pitching, when the NL has had good games without all the big names.  I will be so happy if/when Colorado or Arizona win it all.

by saladdays on Oct 12, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop
You had me at "is making me sick".
youneverknow

by meat on Oct 12, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously
Well many of these talk radio/tv guys are not baseball fans.

A true baseball fan enjoys a good game reguardless of who is on the field.  The game does not have to be Yankees vs. Red Sox at Yankee stadium for a game to be good.

Like a buddy and I discussed baseball actually gets worse come postseason.  There is nothing like baseball in late June when there is no hype.  During playoff baseball you get horrible braodcasters and the national media starts discussing stuff and they have zero idea about any of the teams.  Heck the Cubs one figures is a well know team and there were so many mistakes made during the Cubs series by TV guys it was obvious they did not do any research or follow the Cubs at all.

Everything in the postseason is about ratings and other BS.  I enjoy just watching a game and could really care less if ARod, Joe Torre, Jeter, Big Papi, Manny, or Schilling are around.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you say is true
Somtimes I wonder why I even listen (even if it is only on the way to work) to Cowherd somtimes.

by saladdays on Oct 12, 2007 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One word:
Masochism.

You're obviously getting something out of it.  Kind of in the "I am repulsed, yet I cannot look away" sense.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 12, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NL not interesting?
The Rockies and the Dbacks have some of the best up-and-coming talent in the league, and are not interesting? Webb was last year's Cy Young winner, Holiday is likely this year's MVP. The Rockies have won something like 19 of their last 20 games. How is this not exciting? Is this one of those "if there is no team from NY, LA, or Chicago, how can we get excited?
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Oct 12, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is one of those
if there is no team from NY, LA, or Chicago, how can we get excited opinions from the media.

If the NLCS was the Cardinals vs. The Marlins or Astros vs. Padres they would be saying the same things.
Remember in 2004 when the Cards and Astros had an epic NLCS...that was a complete afterthought to the ALCS.

They were hoping for the Phillies vs. Cubs series and didn't get it so they could care less now.

But as long as either the Yankees or Red Sox are still invloved anything from the National League maybe other than a Mets vs. Phillies series will always take a backseat to the East Coast American League big spending teams.

If the Angels would have upset the Red Sox, I can bet the media types would now be calling this year's playoffs one of the worst one's ever. And would be bitching about how baseball needs to change this and that to the playoff formats.

by KYCards on Oct 12, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that
Odd!  

Is that a Dusty team?  Isn't he a guy who likes a lot of veterans so he can sit back and just manage personalities.  You know Dusty would probably be a good NY Yankees manager.  Dusty is good at managing personalities, which is what Torre seems to be good at doing.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are pitchers and bullpen issues
to manage in New York so Baker would be summarily shot in NY after a week or 2.

by sdrone on Oct 12, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Homer Bailey's mother
should be calling Krivisky right now if she wants her son's arm to stay attached.

by azruavatar on Oct 12, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phoenix faithful...
went to two games there in late '06 (August?).  Cards fans (of a frankly mediocre team) easily outnumbered snakes fans.  I think I saw about two D-Back's jerseys in the entire building.  Then Webb dominated us in one game and Marquis blew another.  Overall, those fans are a very apathetic bunch - which is why it surprised me they showed enough misguided emotion to get an opponent yanked from the field.  Phoenix should be one of the best sports towns in the country by virture of having MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL, great NCAA all in the same city!  Somehow it is not....somebody summed it up yesterday: its one of those sunbelt cities that nobody's from.  I lived in Vegas 15 years - I can relate.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Oct 12, 2007 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They're still apathetic
That garbage shower was comically half-assed.

by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
A sampling from the crowd last night:

SnakesFan1:  BOOOOOOOOOOO! <throws water bottle onto the field>
             YOU SUCK, BLUE!
SnakesFan2:  Booo.
SnakesFan3:  Eh.
SnakesFan4:  What just happened?
SnakesFan5:  Hey, beer man!
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Oct 12, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mozeliak's signing indicate to me
he isn't the new age type of GM the cardinals need. i'd rather have the draft picks over russ springer for another year, it doesn't make a lot of sense at all. and if it's true they are listening to tony when it comes to a gm search, then dewitt is a huge idiot. antonetti should be there for the taking and i'm sure he wouldn't be someone larussa would recommend.

rabid fanbase, new stadium, improving farm system and a new focus to make it better...going back to the old school would be murder for the long term livelihood of this team. antonetti is the man, imo. tlr needs to go away.

by erik on Oct 12, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinkging
Paul DePo...but the whole keeping TLR in the mix would end that idea.

What is it you like about Antonetti?

And that is a "I don't know much about him" question...not a "what are you thinking" question.

by Harknights on Oct 12, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about
Steve Phillips?  He's so great and all and I know how much we all support his valued opinions on this blog....jk

by eglasier on Oct 12, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's pretty clear now
that DeWitt fired Jocketty because Walt was going around to the media saying how "unhappy" he was. He probably just had it and decided to let Walt go so there would be less stress in the front office.  It doesn't look like it had anything to do with some sort of "new vision" for the future.

The re-signing of Izzy, Springer and now the talk of Eckstein's agent talking to Mozeliak is giving us a pretty good picture of what DeWitt's true vision of the club is right now.  And that to pretty much stay the same. To go with the vets we have had the past few years and keep the team on auto pilot.

It just doesn't make sense that Mozeliak would be given the power to re-sign our returning vets if there was really any plan to make some major changes. And from the looks of things right now the only change for the Cards next year will be maybe a pitcher or two a back-up catcher and higher ticket prices.

by KYCards on Oct 12, 2007 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeWitt
has always been a big proponent of "salary slotting" for certain positions, and with the exception of picking up Izzy's option, the signings so far fall into that list of slotted positions. It's also the reason that both Miles and Gooch will be back; servicable back-ups for very little money.

by cardsrul on Oct 12, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think any of this is
clear at all.  It's plausible speculation, I'll give you that, but we just don't know enough about what DeWitt is really thinking.

Some of these moves to lock up parts of the bullpen seem like common-sense moves that any GM would make ... I wouldn't read too much into it.  Now if they trade Scott Rolen tomorrow, THAT's another story.

I think it's dangerous to assume that Moz is a Jocketty clone.  Might be, but just because he worked well under Jocketty doesn't mean he wouldn't do the job very differently.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 12, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with all of this
I don't see how you can read THIS much into the re-signing of a middle relief guy.  I mean, sure they overpaid for him.  But Mo only signed him to a one year deal. I'm not too concerned about this.  The bullpen will continue to be a strength of this team keep and will keep them within a sniff of the division.  

Do you all want to see a full-on fire-sale and rebuild here?

by silent_bob on Oct 12, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rabid fanbase, new stadium
you don't think it started to scare the begeesus out of Bill looking at those last 3 weeks of the season and seeing about 15% of the seats empty?

He got his money last year, as all those games were sellouts but people stopped showing up for the games.  Empty seats behind HP, upperdecks a sea of red empty seats.

He was going to raise ticket prices this year.  I think he knew that if he started selling off parts, cleaning house, he'd lose about 10-15% in attendance.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking for clarification
Just thought I'd run this by all you folks who know more than I.

I attended the fan appreciation night yesterday and was suprised by a comment made by Rick Horton during the Q & A and was looking for an answer.

It went something like this:

Q: If TLR does not return who do you feel will be the new manager?

RH: (paraphrasing) No front runner.... Terry Pendleton, Van Slyke, Oquendo, Joe Giardi, Jim Riggleman... to name a few.

Then Jay Randolph and Alan Benes gave their 2 cents and Rick wanted the mic back to say the following, which I found a little wierd.

RH: ... or we could hire Bernie Mikalaz(sp?) or Joe Strauss as manager and write about them for a change!

Sounds to me like he has a major grudge against those guys in general or the paper itself. Just wanted to know what was behind it and I figured if anyone would know it would be you guys.

by Sea N Red on Oct 12, 2007 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doubt any grudge
Ricky's got a deadpan kind of humor. I'm guessing he was just ribbing the writers.

by liam on Oct 12, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joke
Was it said jokingly or was he upset?

by StLHugo on Oct 12, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

n/t
Hard to say, if he does have a deadpan sense of humor then I guess it could have been a joke.  But my first reaction to it was that it wasn't but I could have been wrong

by Sea N Red on Oct 12, 2007 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tongue in cheek
sounds to me like it was said jokingly, but with undertones of truth & sincerity.  

by ArachNerd on Oct 12, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuzzy picture
What is going on?

Jocketty and Lunhow couldn't co-exist. Dewitt chose Lunhow. However, this caused a chain reaction of other issues.

Dewitt knows he has a cash cow and he wants to win and for people to keep buying tickets...to dump Jocketty was an unpopular move and he knows it. To lose LaRussa would make it worse and likely cause a revolt from many fans...unless LaRussa is the one who bolts.

Dewitt is facing a PR nightmare: He has to show that he wants to win in 2008 and that he is not cheap. He needs short-term, PR solutions.

Problem:
Cards' fans think Dewitt is cheap and he is raising ticket prices. They also fear a fire sale.
Solution:
Promise the world that he will spend more money on payroll to make the team competitive. Bring back Izzy and Springer as evidence...to start.

Problem:
Fans fear that the firing of Jocketty will lead to a non-competitive, re-building phase.
Solution:
Make every effort to show that you want Tony back which signals that you are committed to winning in 2008. Signing veterans Springer and Izzy shows that you are not rebuilding and sends that message to Tony.

Problem:
You don't have a GM and you want the manager to stay without knowing who his new boss will be.
Solution:
Let the manager in on the hiring process.

Problem:
Cards' fans are not going to fall for the promise to raise payroll and "dry powder" arguments for a 3rd straight year.
Solution: ???? but probably will have to include a high profile free agent or trade.

So far, I think Dewitt is doing a fine job of trying to weather the storm. However, is weathering the storm the path he should take?

How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Oct 12, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My 26 cents
Problem 1: Whom do we have to sell? Pujols isn't going anywhere, and neither is Izzy. Other than Wainwright (who also isn't going anywhere), there's nobody worth a crap that isn't injured.

Problem 2: I've already steeled myself for a team that will be worse in 2008 than in 2007. Right now, this team is Pujols, Izzy, Wainwright and 22 stiffs. Anyone who thinks we can compete in '08 is in denial.

Problem 3: Tony can go scratch. If he wants in on the GM hiring process, he can sign the contract that's on the table, which I hope doesn't happen. Otherwise, he should just STFU.

Problem 4: Why shell out $$$$ for a brand-name free agent when it won't make the team that much better, given the holes and talent level of the team?

Weathering the storm has been the M.O. for the past couple of years, and it produced two mediocre teams, one that was a fluke champion.

DeWitt should hand TLR a bus ticket to somewhere far, far away, then hire one of the Whiz Kid math students that other, smarter posters have mentioned (Antonetti, DePodesta). The new GM can then hire a field manager that will get with the new program. Don't care who it is, as long as it's not TLR or Johnnie B.

I'll hang up and listen.

by 26thMan on Oct 12, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno
about Problem #2. Whether Tony returns or not, you gotta consider that the division-winning Cubs were only SEVEN games better. A few less Kip Wells/Anthony Reyes meltdowns and our boys could have taken it again--or at least been in closer contention. Let's at least see how this management crap shakes out and who they actually put on the field before dooming the whole of next season. Denial? Maybe. I may be in full agreement with you by april, but until we see what's what--with us as well as the rest of the division--a blanket pronouncement of doom this early is jumping the proverbial gun. Don't forget, this is the Comedy Central we're talking about.  

by rockin redbird on Oct 12, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not just that
but the "losing 13 of 14 games following the HGH story" was not a predictable, nor a likely, occurrence, and it had little to do with the talent level in the dugout.  If that HGH story didn't come out when it did we would have been playing in October imho.  

by SleepyCA on Oct 12, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

by nycardfan on Oct 13, 2007 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Springer vs. Franklin money...
... i'm not sure how much of this factored into the calculation, but Franklin does have the baggage of steroids behind him. it also seems like he took a big discount by signing with the team mid-year instead of waiting for the off-season.

by kindred on Oct 12, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And this...
Any doubt that Tony is running this entire organization?

I hope the Yanks offer him a job...I can't see him passing that up.

"I'm hungry. Not for food. Just for baseball" Amaury Cazana Marti

by bobbyballgame1 on Oct 12, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding?
You think LaRussa is a good fit for New York? Have you seen him handle our "soft" media? Those sharks in NY would be all over him for every move he makes during a game. Steinbrenner would be up his butt all of the time. Imagine the post-game news conferences after an 8-0 loss to the Red Sox when LaRussa decided that game to bat Jeter 9th to get "another leadoff hitter" in front of AROD.

His wife would have a breakdown from reading all of the negative press. Besides, that puts him another 1000 miles away from his family.

Not saying it is impossible, but very unlikely.

How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Oct 12, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR
I think you are giving him way too much credit for "running" the organization.  I am sure he has imput but when push comes to shove he is not negotiating deals or signing checks.  Yes I think a good owner and gm will work with the manager but the manager does not have all the say.  If Dewitt fired Jock he is not being pushed around by TLR.

TLR will not coach the Yankees.  He has nothing to prove and he knows how tough the media is.  If he was 10 years younger I could see it, but at this point it makes no sense.  TLR is not a stupid man so he will not be with the Yankees.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that Philly OF but...
...do we really want another OF?  With Joe Mather, Colby Rasmus, John Jay, and Marti in the minors?  Not to mention Chris Duncan with the big club.  Where does he fit?  Does this mean we trade Duncan for pitching?  D.GOOCH

by GOOCH24 on Oct 12, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we don't have a leadoff man
or any speed. bourn could add those badly needed offensive dimensions.

also, bourn is simply a better player than the others mentioned, except for colby. he's a year younger than mather but is already in the majors, while mather has just barely reached triple A. jay probably needs a full year at double A; and marti is god knows how old, and just reached triple A.

by lboros on Oct 12, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
If Eck is not back or if Eck is back we could use a #1 hitter and speed.  Our team is like a slow pitch softball team.  Generally base to base.  You watched how much pressure it is to have guys trying to steal bases.  Just ask Jason Kendall and the Cubs.  Kendall was so bad at throwing out runners eveyone was stealing on him.

Bourn plays a pretty good RF.  He played very well at Wrigley and that is a tough OF to play.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like a player on the roster that has
40+ stolen base potential.  I'd ship Skippy out for this model.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan
People talk of trading Chris Duncan but I would really hold off on that.  With the current team he is the only other power threat besides Pujols.  We can not trade Chris Duncan!  Rick Ankiel has not really proved to me yet he is going to bring reliable pop.  Argue all you want but Duncan has proved the fact that he will give you power numbers if we stop platooning the guy and just play his ass everyday.

Yes he has good trade value but where is the pop going to come from?  Everyone seems to think even with Albert and Dunc we still need another bat with pop.  If Duncan leaves we need two bats.

Not a good idea to trade Dunc unless you are getting a lot, and I am not talking prospects.

by ICbirdfan on Oct 12, 2007 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bobblehead
It kinda looks like John Mabry.

by brindled on Oct 12, 2007 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's that elusive player
Edwards

by cardsgirlinAR on Oct 12, 2007 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as it's friday potluck
great comment at the bottom of mark kriegel's column on fox sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7323070?MSNHPHMA)

"Add the salaries of C.C. Sabathia, Fausto Carmona, Grady Sizemore, Franklin Guttierrez, Jhonny Peralta, Chris Gomez, Rafael Betancourt, Rafael Perez and Ryan Garko.

Now what do you have?

About a half million less than J.D. Drew."

ouch and double ouch.

by sdesserman on Oct 12, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sabathia
if he finishes in the Top 3 for Cy Young, his pay this year goes up to $11 M.  

Same point, though but it's a tad misleading.  Pick the teams ace, a All-Star CF they bid on earlier than any team had ever done for a young player and a bunch of guys who were in AAA last year to deride a terrible contract.

Watch what I can do:

What does Josh Beckett, Hideki Okajima, Johnathan Papelbon, Kevin Youkilis, Jacoby Ellsbury and Dustin Pedroia cost you?

As much as Jake Westbrook.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure, except that
  1.  carmona's nearly the ace that sabathia is while okajima certainly isn't.
  2.  westbrook's made a more significant contribution to his team than drew to his.
  3.  westbrook is not nearly the national punchline that drew is.
  4.  your math is funny - beckett (3/30), westbrook (3/33).  the rest of the players that you list ad up to more that 1 mil per year.

by sdesserman on Oct 12, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you talking about the life of the contract?
2007
Josh Beckett - $6 M
Hideki Okajima - $1.2 M
Johnathan Papelbon $442K
Kevin Youkilis - $442K
Jacoby Ellsbury - $383K
Dustin Pedroia -  $383K
Total = $8.85 M

Jake Westbrook - $8.1 M

As much (there abouts) as Jake Westbrook.  

As far as Okajima's talent, he ranked 9th in holds (to go with his 5 saves) and was a fantastic setup guy for the player deemed 'the best closer in baseball this year' Johnthan Papelbon on that list, of course until Eric Gagne came in and started crapping on the teams mojo.

The point I'm trying to make is that while the Drew signing is embarrassing, the way that was written is misleading just for the sake of humor.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 12, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old Guys
Personally, I'd take both Renteria and Glavine.  This may not be a rebuilding strategy, but it would produce a better team in '08 than '07.
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Oct 12, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

glavine
not saying i'd want him (or that i would). but re: this:

"the mets, who watched him pitch all season, were so optimistic about his outlook for 2008 that they paid him $3m to go away . . . . i'll pass."

my understanding is that he turned down his option with the mets, not vice versa, although i could be wrong.

by willievinceterry on Oct 12, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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