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in case you missed the news, st louis will host the 2009 all-star game.

the PECOTA projections have posted at Baseball Prospectus. they're subscriber-only figures, a proprietary product, so i'm not comfortable publishing the entire set of stl projections; that'd essentially be stealing. i see nothing wrong with providing some sneak peeks, however. at an initial glance, PECOTA seems to like the st louis hitters slightly more than ZIPS does while being about the same on the pitchers. carpenter projects to a 3.39 era (30 points higher than ZIPS), but reyes and wainwright are at about the same level that ZIPS has them (the wainwright projection has him as a starter). braden looper, projected mainly as a starter (20 starts, 12 relief appearances, 123 total innings), checks in at a 4.99 era. brad thompson is projected as a relief pitcher and falls in the same range era-wise as he did with ZIPS. as far as the hitters, PECOTA likes adam kennedy considerably better than ZIPS does (.728 ops); duncan has a solid projection (.844 ops), edmonds is in the same range, j-rod shines, and encarnacion plods along at his accustomed level of middleness. we should not expect much from eckstein or molina, PECOTA says.

i'll compile team aggregations for the pitchers and hitters and put up the results thursday, but i wouldn't expect the final wins projection to deviate much from the ZIPS-derived total.

while they're still fresh, i'll use the PECOTAs to conduct another little experiment. you may have seen the recent article at Beyond the Boxscore rating chris duncan as one of the best #2 hitters in baseball during 2006. even if his ops drops into the mid-.800 range this coming season, he'll still be an outstanding #2 hitter. so here's the experiment: since duncan's so good, what happens if you keep the batting order the same, but begin each game with the #2 slot in the order? like this:

regular
lineup
adjusted
lineup
1. eckstein 1. duncan
2. duncan 2. pujols
3. pujols 3. rolen
4. rolen 4. edmonds
5. edmonds 5. encarnacion
6. encarnacion 6. kennedy
7. kennedy 7. molina
8. molina 8. pitcher
9. pitcher 9. eckstein

same lineup; same sequence of hitters. you simply offset the initiation of the sequence by one slot. i liken this to daylight savings time, wherein the hours proceed in the same sequence but we "spring forward" by one hour, arbitrarily renumbering the slots in order to make more efficient use of the sun. by springing forward in the lineup and renumbering the slots, might we put the heat and light in the batting order to more efficient use?

emphatically, we might. here's the basic tradeoff we're making. we gain offense by moving the better hitters up one slot in the order, because doing so gets them all more plate appearances over the course of the season. a #1 hitter gets slightly more plate appearances than a #2, because there will always be a certain number of games where the #1 makes the last out, and the game ends with the #2 hitter on deck. a slightly smaller number of games will end with the #3 hitter on deck, and so on down the line. so by shuffling the lineup in this way, we're basically taking 15 or 20 plate appearances a year away from david eckstein and giving them to chris duncan. that seems like a sensible thing to do, insofar as duncan projects to have an ops 100 to 150 points higher than david's; kind of a no-brainer, actually. pujols would get nearly as many extra plate appearances a year; that can only help the offense too, no?

now, here's the cost of that benefit: we're diminishing the table-setting capacity in front of albert the 1st time through the order. he's more likely to bat with the bases empty in that at-bat, and of course duncan will always bat with the bases empty 1st time through. for subsequent times through the order, albert has the same two guys batting in front of him (eckstein and duncan) as always, but he will take less impactful at-bats the 1st time throught the order. on the other hand, because duncan and pujols get on base with such regularity, edmonds and rolen should have more impactful at-bats first time through the order, and that mitigates some of the cost.

to get a crude read on this, i plugged the PECOTAs for both lineups into david pinto's lineup toy to see how many extra runs --- if any --- such a lineup change might produce. here are the results:

regular
lineup
adjusted
lineup
runs / game 4.929 5.060
runs / 162 798 820

an extra 22 runs; two wins in the standings. lot cheaper and easier to pick up two marginal wins this way than by paying, say, $42m to jeff suppan or $100m to carlos lee, eh? in truth, the increase would probably come out to more like 15 runs / 1.5 wins, because as we know teams don't use the exact same lineup for 162 straight games; 'specially not la russa-managed teams. and since duncan is basically a platoon player at this point in his career, you wouldn't see this lineup vs lhp. so maybe we're only talking about one extra win in the standings. what the hell; it's a free win. why not take it?

i ran one more test, for this lineup: duncan / edmonds / pujols / rolen / encarnacion / kennedy / molina / pitcher / eckstein. here's that result:

regular
lineup
adjusted
lineup
adjusted
lineup #2
runs / game 4.929 5.060 5.018
runs / 162 798 820 813

obviously you wouldn't bat duncan and edmonds 1-2 vs a left-handed pitcher, but vs right-handers you might reap some extra runs / wins--- and for free.

la russa got flamed when he started batting the pitcher 8th in the second half of 1998, but he had the right idea. it wasn't a matter of moving mcgwire forward in the lineup; he batted 3d no matter where the pitcher batted. but by putting a position player 9th (most often eli marrero), la russa increased the table-setting capacity that came up in front of mac --- and the offense improved. in 79 games with the pitcher batting 9th in 1998, the cardinals scored 391 runs, or 4.949 per game. with the pitcher batting 8th, they scored 419 runs in 83 games, or 5.048 runs per game. with the pitcher hitting 9th, the team was 39-40; hitting 8th, they went 44-39. that's a small sample size, so it doesn't prove anything; but it at least provides some real-world data that are consistent with the predictions of the theoretical models.

this will never happen in a million years; it's merely a discussion for a january morning. but when you see teams going to such desperate lengths, stretching for that extra marginal win that might put them into the playoffs, you wonder why some darkhorse contender --- say, the 2007 giants, or the cleveland indians --- doesn't try an experimental lineup over a full season and see if they like the results.

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Duncan batting #2
I think Tony deserves a lot of credit for batting Duncan #2.  A lot of teams would just put Kennedy in the two hole because he is a scrappy little base hit guy and then put Duncan in an "rbi spot".  Putting Duncan at #2 over Kennedy probably adds one marginal win.
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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 9:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tony likes the "damage"
Tony likes "damage" from the #2 spot so I expect he will keep Duncan there.

There could be a few days where AK bats #2 but I would expect Duncan to get most of the time there.

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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While Molina may not help much with the bat
at least, according to PECOTA his offense is expected improve from a -19 VORP to a +2.2!

There's two free marginal wins right there! Hopefully Suppan enjoys his Terydactyl eggs Lorraine washed down by a nice cold glass of Miller Lite while he watches the Birds repeat in 2007! Take that, market!

by plh903 on Jan 16, 2007 9:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
That's a huge turnaround for Molina's offensive numbers (insert "offensive numbers" joke here).  I guess PECOTA thinks he's turned the corner and will be closer to the Molina we saw in the postseason...

Also, can you really get Pterodactyl eggs up in Milwaukee?  Cause I can't find them at ANY of the local specialty food stores here in St. Louis...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 16, 2007 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2 Questions regarding Franklin from yesterday...
  1. When did he get busted for Roids?
  2. Do the Mariners play in a hitters park? pitchers park? or is it neutral?
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jan 16, 2007 9:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

M's
The M's play in a big time Pitchers park.

However, his last two teams the Reds and Phillies play in extreme hitters parks.

Franklin was one of the first MLB players to test positive back in August 2005.  He served a 10 game suspension.

From the AP story

 Franklin said he has "no idea" how he tested positive.

"There's got to be a flaw in the system," he said Tuesday before the Mariners played the Tigers at Comerica Park. "I have no clue. I tested in [early] May and again three weeks later. The first was positive, the second was negative."

The pitcher said he first was told of his positive test in May -- and "thought it was a joke" -- then appealed and appeared before two arbitration committees.

"I'm one of the guys who was supportive of strong testing," Franklin said. "I believe I got to the big leagues on God-given talent, and that's how I've stayed here. It's hard to swallow."

"I know deep in my heart that I have never done anything like that."

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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

great minds think alike
Lboros, i was contemplating this yesterday on my blog. i have a question for you: what do you think would be more beneficial, hitting kennedy in front or behind molina? yadier is pretty slow and the pitchers have a hard time advancing him over to 2nd base(by bunting because most of the pitchers are pretty slow, although not as slow as molina). what are you're thoughts about this?
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by cards4life on Jan 16, 2007 9:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Molina then Kennedy
I would like to hit Molina 7th and Kennedy 8th just for the reason of having the quicker Kennedy in front of the pitcher.

Of course that could mess up the entire Lefty/Righty thing.

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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Judging by the title,
I was afraid that this was going to be a Russ Springer post.

Anyway, glad I was wrong on that assumption. Good outside the box thinking -- I may have to tinker with my PS2 lineups.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Jan 16, 2007 10:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Leading off...
using mlb.com, I just did a quick glance at batting average while "leading off"... Eckstein: 209 ABs, .268 avg Pujols: 92 ABs, .337 avg Rolen: 126 ABs, .317 avg JEnc: 125 ABs, .312 Miles: 135 ABs, .311 Dunc: 41 ABs, .293 Eckstein's number isn't as bad when you consider OBP, but he's still not nearly the best, and with almost no power he's on first or nothing almost every time. Someone like Rolen, who hit 8 home runs leading off... But what I really find interesting is how much different hitters are leading off compared to "not leading off". Here's the differece in BA points for these guys when leading off (vs non-leadoff ABs) duncan: -16 eck: -41 enc: +43 miles: +71 pujols: +7 rolen: +29 So... Eckstein batted .268 leading off, but .309 when not leading off. Likewise, miles batted .311 leading off, but just .241 when not leading off... go figure. Eckstein has the lowest lead-off of these 6 guys, and second-lowest OBP, and of course a unsightly .330 slugging. Personally, I'd love to expirment with eckstein batting second, and doing a lot more hit-and-run with him there. I know that often takes the bat away from Pujols... but a 1st and 3rd situation with 1 out sounds pretty good to me.

by redbird2006in on Jan 16, 2007 10:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ugh, what happened to my post!
using mlb.com, I just did a quick glance at batting average while "leading off"...

Eckstein: 209 ABs, .268 avg
Pujols: 92 ABs, .337 avg
Rolen: 126 ABs, .317 avg
JEnc: 125 ABs, .312
Miles: 135 ABs, .311
Dunc: 41 ABs, .293

Eckstein's number isn't as bad when you consider OBP, but he's still not nearly the best, and with almost no power he's on first or nothing almost every time. Someone like Rolen, who hit 8 home runs leading off...

But what I really find interesting is how much different hitters are leading off compared to "not leading off". Here's the differece in BA points for these guys when leading off (vs non-leadoff ABs)
duncan: -16
eck: -41
enc: +43
miles: +71
pujols: +7
rolen: +29

So... Eckstein batted .268 leading off, but .309 when not leading off. Likewise, Miles batted .311 leading off, but just .241 when not leading off... go figure.   Eckstein has the lowest lead-off of these 6 guys, and second-lowest OBP, and of course a unsightly .330 slugging.

Personally, I'd love to expirment with eckstein batting second, and doing a lot more hit-and-run with him there. I know that often takes the bat away from Pujols... but a 1st and 3rd situation with 1 out sounds pretty good to me.

by redbird2006in on Jan 16, 2007 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, I think Eck
is best used at #2 or #8.  And since the article referenced by LB showed that Dunc is in fact one of the best 3 or 4 number-two hitters in baseball, that would put our SS down at #8.  I'd have no problem with that, but damn, I can't wait until we have a great leadoff hitter again.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2007 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What does pecota having eckstein slugging
Any chance he puts up .375 with a .350 OBP?

What's his HPG (heart plus grit) percentage projected at?

by Jonathan23 on Jan 16, 2007 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His HPG
is off the charts. It's Ecksteinian.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Jan 16, 2007 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Already had a great leadoff hitter
His name was Coco Crisp.

Glad we are not trading guys like this away anymore.

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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crisp
Is this the same Crisp who posted a .317 OBP last season, .329 over his career?  Granted, he was great in 2005, but I'm not convinced that I'd rather have him over Duncan right now (assuming Edmonds would still be in center.)

by Robb on Jan 16, 2007 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would take Crisp
We would not be taking "Crisp of Duncan"

It would be Crisp over Juan E.  Duncan would play RF and Crisp would play LF.

Crisp was hurt last season, but he is an incredible ballplayer.  Hard to say why we gave him up, but we did need a SP very badly that year.

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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Crisp of Duncan"?
Ewwww, I want no part of the cookbook where you found that recipe.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2007 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crisp OVER duncan
typo
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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

incredible?
it may've been a bad idea to trade him--though we'd be talking differently had a few things, like Rolen's shoulder, broken differently in 2002--but "incredible" is pushing it. He's a good player, and he might even have a borderline all-star year in him, but I wouldn't go much farther than that.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 16, 2007 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree here
if anything it would be extremely nice to throw him into the mix with Juan E, Duncan, and Edmonds. Wouldn't that be nice. Of course, Finley really contributed down the stretch, so who's to say.

Coco is on the short list of PBTNL'ers that will go on to have productive MLB careers though I believe.

by plh903 on Jan 16, 2007 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that is sarcasm
He posted a .855 OPS in rookie ball 2002 and then failed to hit over .700 OPS for 3 years including an awful 2005 where he hit .221/.285/.330 with 8 HRs and on 12 SBs.

2006 was a total anamoly for him.  He had not fared well at low A or high A and then in his second year at AA he does well.  That does not convince me he was a bad player and we were in desperate need of pitching at the break this year.  He was a movable commodity and we traded him for Weaver.  If he continues to rake, that's awesome but I just don't see any track record that indicates his sucess.  Maybe he's toolsy and he finally put it together...I've been wrong before.

by azruavatar on Jan 17, 2007 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eck batting leadoff
Really mixed feelings - I love his attitude/hustle etc., but the issue is run production and the alternate lneups seem likely to produce more runs. Plus, he really doesn't seem to be a very effective baserunner.

OTOH, his tendency to take a lot of pitches (which doesn't show up in OBP and therefore not in the lineup toy) probably helps wear down the opposing pitcher and gives Duncan/ Pujols a good look at the pitcher's ball movement and pitch selection.

Maybe try the alternate lineups in spring training?

by madridbend on Jan 16, 2007 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm....
I had argued for a return to this a few years ago when womack and walker were with the team (or it had hit me earlier than year, then became an 'all the more-so' idea when we acquired walker).  

Sadly, I was laughed off the board on which I was writing.  I thought it MORE important then, I wonder if someone could find out what would have been then.  
I also thought about this again last year, bc of how well duncan was doing, but decided it wasn't as opportune bc you have Eckstein not only setting up the table that first time around, but potentially tiring a pitcher out, and allowing the #2 and 3 hitters to see how the pitches look coming to the plate.  

So I am unsure how those factors might affect the numbers above.  I LOVE Eckstein as the leadoff guy, although i am still tempted to say i'd like him even more as a #2 (or leadoff with a pitcher 8 and a basestealer 9) with an excellent basestealer ahead of him.  Then when it's 1st and 2nd, the guy on 2nd would still have to be considered and duncan would still see a lot more fastballs.

oh well...tony doesn't want the publicity for that again, does he?  I assume that's why he let this strategy go.  It's a shame, IMHO.

by HoosierCardFan on Jan 16, 2007 11:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ecksteins pitches per AB
Okay let's all stop this rumor right now.

Eckstein does not see an amazing number of pitchers per plate appearance.

PPPA in 2006

miles: 3.52
enc: 3.63
wilson: 3.69
gooch: 3.69
eck: 3.75
Puj: 3.78
rolen: 3.9
edmonds: 4.07
dunc: 4.09

So... he sees right about the average number of pitches.  

Eckstein does have a lot of 9 and 10 pitch at bats, but it doesn't average out in his favor.

Supposedly Duncan bats #2 because it forces the pitcher to use less curveballs (don't want to walk him)... This is another one of those rumors I always wonder if it holds any truth.

by redbird2006in on Jan 16, 2007 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am sure there is no stat for this...
But I guess I am suggesting, and may be incorrect in this, that often he is able to battle away if he wants or needs to.  He goes for a spot and tries to foul it off if he can't put it where he wants it.  

Moreover, I would wonder how his statistic would change if we just counted his first and say 9th-inning ABs in a game.  I have a feeling it might jump considerably.  Then again, I may be crazy.

Another thing to remember as well, is that Eckstein is not feared by other pitchers, so they come right at him.  Whereas many of the others on your list with higher PPPA are more damage type hitters (or those likely to be up with men on base and especially in scoring position).

But thanks for the stat.  I'd like to discuss more.

by HoosierCardFan on Jan 17, 2007 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not so much rumor
as outdated information on a spike year.  In 2005, Eck was among the top in baseball with 4.01 P/PA.  Last year was a little down.  His career average is 3.83.  Probably some of the decrease can be attibuted to TLR calling hit and runs/bunts on certain pitch counts also.  

Jimmy Ballgame is near the top every year.  He averages 4.06 for his career.  More than Albert.  Of course, in Albert's case, it's hard to average very high when many of your ABs are simply 4 pitches/take your base.

by RedbirdRay on Jan 17, 2007 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great idea, Larry.
I've always wanted the Cardinals to be a little unconventional with their lineup.

It's amazing that switching a few spots in the order could produce ~ 20 more runs.

by ryanisforever on Jan 16, 2007 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aren't some of the gains
negated by the fact that you're giving more AB's to Molina and the pitcher and taking AB's away from Eckstein?  Eckstein's not great offensively but he's better than Molina and the pitcher.  I understand the idea of putting the pitcher 8th, so that there's another opportunity for someone to be on base in front of Albert.  Does it outweigh having the cost of having Molina and the pitcher pick up extra AB's?

Or is there an even better way to make this work, say w/ Eckstein 7th, Molina 8th, and the pitcher 9th?  That way Eckstein gets more AB's and Molina and the pitcher get the fewest.  Maybe Eckstein's not good enough offensively for that to improve us much.  Just thinking.  Great work as always LB.

by chuckb on Jan 16, 2007 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Eck
Eckstein would theoretically lose 144 plate appearances over the course of the season batting ninth instead of first. Each position in the order is likely to have 18 less PA's than the one in front of it. 162/9

by DizzyDean17 on Jan 16, 2007 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein also has
a psychological effect on the pitcher in that he's a tiny little guy who looks like an immediate out. His ability to keep fouling off fastballs is draining.

That said, I like Larry's suggestion. The thing of it is that LaRussa is already familiar with this concept from his days in the AL, where the lineup usually turns over at No. 8. That's probably why he even tried it a few years ago.

by Red in Chicago on Jan 16, 2007 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pujols batting 2nd
I think one reason the lineup toy likes your alternate lineup better is this: the lowest-leverage situation for a hitter is 2 outs, nobody on. If Pujols hits 3rd behind Eck and Duncan, he will be hitting in this situation about 42% of the time his first time up. By batting him 2nd you avoid this.

by mikedallas23 on Jan 16, 2007 1:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

42%???
Eck's career OBP is .351

Duncan's career OBP is .358

One of them should get on about 70% of the time.

I suppose there are times when both of them reach, meaning that they would be more times when both of them are out (the extra 12%) but having both of them on at the same time pays dividends because teams are not likely to walk the bases loaded for Rolen.

 

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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

umm,
if you're just adding the obp's to get your 70 percent, thats using stats incorrectly

by PGeorge on Jan 16, 2007 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

42%
Eck doesn't get on base 64.9% of the time. Dunc doesn't get on base 64.2% of the time. .649 * .642 = .4167, or 42%.

by mikedallas23 on Jan 16, 2007 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Math is hard
Playing backgammon is good way to brush up on all those probability equations. Anyone who wants referral to good backgammon site, let me know.

Still would be nice to get another outfielder so we could platoon Duncan and Encarncion, in my humble opinion.

Biggest question this spring is if TLR's "go with the kids" philosophy carries over. Do we go with Kinney and TJ in the bullpen, or do we get stuck with Springer, Rincon, and Franklin? Time will tell.

by Keep your hands off on Jan 16, 2007 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh
Md23,

I think your math produces the % of time ther're both on base when pujols gets up to the plate (backing out double plays, caught stealings and runners scoring).

I think the calc would go

.351 + (1 -.351).358 or 58.3% of the time.  Or in english, the % of the time Eckstein gets on base plus the percent of the time duncan gets on base when eckstein has already made an out.  Its essential the sum of the two (71%) as was alluded in the beginning, minus the times they both reach base (.351.358 =12.6%)

ANOTHER WAY would be calculating the times that neither reach base minus one, or 1 minus (1-.351)*(1-.358).

Hopefully this is useful to someone.    

by Jonathan23 on Jan 16, 2007 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

42% is right
Pujols hitting 3rd behind Eckstein's .351 OBP and Duncan's .358 OBP would result in:

Bases empty, two outs:  41.7%
One on, one out:  45.7%
Two on, no outs:  12.6%

Hitting him second behind Duncan would obviously provide the following:

Bases empty, one out:  64.2%
One on, no outs:  35.8%

The clear trade-off is more AB's over the season in the #2 slot, vs. more higher-leverage opportunities in the #3 position.

You can see from this why you usually put your best all-around hitter 3rd:

  • AB's with runners on base go from 35.8% to 58.3%
  • you open up the golden opportunity of two on, none out 12.6% of the time
  • with two-outs, none on base someone like Albert can create something out of nothing via a solo HR or his high OBP opening up an opportunity for Rolen/Edmonds

by wildman on Jan 16, 2007 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's probably worse than that
I don't want to even think about doing the math, but eckstein will get caught stealing a couple of times and duncan will hit into an non-zero number of double plays (and hopefully 50-60 home runs), all of which clear the bases and none of which are accounted for in the basic statistics.
"...in winter, when there's no baseball... I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2007 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point
but it's still "directionally correct" that Albert hitting third gives him more AB's with runners on (probably 50-55%) than hitting second (35-40% if you include reaching on an error), with a decent number of those extra AB's being with two runners on.  I'm not going to run the math on the more refined possibilities to keep my simple mind from exploding.....

by wildman on Jan 16, 2007 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The line-up toy???
I love playing around with this thing.  It really is a toy.  The problem I have with it and generally with offensive stats, is it is tough to account for baserunning.  Strat-O-Matic had something that accounted for players speed on picking up extra bases, but it is wone of those areas that it is tough to translate into toys like this.

Anyway, my question is that 820 runs is only 2.5% more than 800.  Could having Eckstien's superior running at top of the order, in the first, be worth a 2.5% increase in runs over having Duncan?

Personally I doubt it but it is just a thought.    

by BigJawnMize on Jan 16, 2007 2:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

John Mabry
Colorado signed veteran John Mabry, 36, to a one-year, minor-league deal. Mabry, who finished last season with the Chicago Cubs, is a career .398 hitter (49-for-123) at Coors Field, where he was the first player to hit for the cycle on May 18, 1996. Mabry will compete for one of the final roster spots in spring training.
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by Born in 82 on Jan 16, 2007 2:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good for Mabs
He always was one of my favorite Cards. Maybe he will come back for a fourth stint with the Birds on the Bat.

by Tarheel85 on Jan 16, 2007 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So if Mabry was on 1st
and Molina was on 2nd, could they both score on a triple?

Between them and Ken Reitz, I'm hard-pressed to say which was the slowest Cardinal I've ever seen.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2007 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Torre
Saw him get a single on a ball off the wall more than once.  Scary what his hitting stats would have been with a little more speed.

by wildman on Jan 16, 2007 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

taguchi
so avoids arbitration, signs for 925,000

by gthedamned on Jan 16, 2007 5:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Gooch Abides
This article has a nice summary of Taguchi's post-season play.  I wasn't aware that his good play extended beyond the game 2 homerun.  Gooch had a poor season last year, but I'd keep him just for that NLCS game 2 dinger.  May have been one of the happiest moments of my life.  Right up there with Molina's dinger and Wainwright's hammer curve to Beltran.  
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Jan 17, 2007 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That reminds me...
Time to watch Game 7 again!
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Jan 17, 2007 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Sizemore
may have even been slower than Reitz. And don't forget Darrell Porter.

by Red in Chicago on Jan 16, 2007 5:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The slowest
Mabry and John Olerud would have been a close race, but I think Yadi has potential to be the slowest ever. He may be the slowest in the league right now and he is still very young. (And catching will make him even slower over time.) If there is a slower guy around, I haven't seen 'em.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!

by Elvis on Jan 16, 2007 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw a LOT of
Sizemore & Reitz (thanks, your condolences are appreciated), and Reitz was easily the slower of the two.  He was a "piston" when he ran, i.e., more vertical movement than horizontal.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2007 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro Guerrero
Back in the day when Thom Brunansky was my childhood favorite, I remember Guerrero being slow.

by Big Rev on Jan 16, 2007 6:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This site
for all you stat geeks..or avid fans i googled Cards history to rip my bro in law(stros fan) who was alleging i was reading the Astros history book to my daughter(nursery rhymes..red though) short book

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Cardinals

its really neat i thought has all sorts a info

Kenny is a "dirt" bag?

by punchinjudy on Jan 16, 2007 8:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good stuff
Some of the new additions to the 40-man roster (all the way at the bottom) need to have entries made... get on it, fellas.
"...in winter, when there's no baseball... I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2007 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Done.
Wiki 40-man Roster updated.

Let me know if you see any mistakes.  

Interestingly, when looking up the full roster info, the "official" MLB site had a 41-man roster...Reid Gorecki was still listed, despite being officially removed around Christmas.

From an article in the Springfield News-Leader:

The St. Louis Cardinals have run out of patience with center fielder Reid Gorecki, whose window of opportunity to reach the big leagues likely slammed shut recently when he was yanked from the team's 40-man roster.

A defensive gem but an offensive liability, Gorecki proved to be nothing more than a bust in his Double-A Springfield Cardinals tenure the past two seasons.

That tenure included a sophomoric media boycott that Gorecki employed in midseason 2006, raising more questions about why the team's Web site continues to list his name on the 40-man roster. [emphasis mine]

Interesting.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 17, 2007 5:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Thanks for that link on Gorecki... That had all slipped right by me. Kary Booher is a pretty enthusiastic writer about the Springfield players and that article is harsh. Here's hoping Gorecki gets his act together... He won't have much time to do it, with Colby Rasmus and Jon Jay rising quickly.

by liam on Jan 17, 2007 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh my
Did mean mr. gorecki hurt the poor beat writers feelings?

BTW none of the changes seem to have been made- not sure if it is a wikipedia glitch or if someone else deleted them, but the 7 or 8 guys who were "red" yesterday are still "red" today.

"...in winter, when there's no baseball... I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2007 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
The "red" players are just the ones that don't have their own Wikipedia pages yet.

I didn't create new articles for all of the rooks, I simply corrected the 40-man roster, which needed 4 revisions (+Franklin, +Mulder, +JRod, -Gorecki).

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 17, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pecota and the kids
Its also very optimistic about Jay Jonathan. He projects to be our 6th best hitter if he made the team.  Anyone know anything about him?

Also of note, Duncan, JRod, Jay, Eli all project to hit better than Juan.

by DriverZn on Jan 16, 2007 9:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's Jonathan Jay
He was drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round last year out of Miami.  Plays OF and did very well @ high A last year after signing.  I'd imagine he'll begin the year at AA Springfield.  John Sickels @ www.minorleagueball.com likes him a lot.  May develop some power.  Has good speed but didn't show a lot of power @ Miami and hasn't yet w/ the Cards.  Seems like a good pure hitter.

by chuckb on Jan 16, 2007 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I don't watch the farm system that much.  Given the projection I hope he gets a fare shake in spring.  

by DriverZn on Jan 17, 2007 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PECOTA is also bullish
on Cody Haerther.  He probably projects as a 4th OF, but if I remember correctly, his projections are right around those for Encarnacion.

by chuckb on Jan 16, 2007 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

John Jay
in a perfect world turns out to be a 4th OF.

by ryanisforever on Jan 16, 2007 10:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know
PECOTA projects him to be a better hitter and more valuable player than Juancion this season, and that's not bad for a 22 year old. I realize that he doesn't have a ton of upside, but even just a little improvement in his power numbers the next couple of years could make him a slightly above average outfielder if PECOTA is correct about what he could do right now at the major league level.*

Yes, PECOTA is just a projection system, etc. I'm just saying he could be good enough to be an everyday outfielder in a couple of years.

by mikedallas23 on Jan 17, 2007 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Best news for the Cards all day..
"Lights are on but nobody's home" Lidge re-upped with the 'Stros.

by cardsrul on Jan 16, 2007 11:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aaaaaaarrrrrghhhhh!
The hideous, ubiquitous "Lowermybills" banner ad with the frantically dancing silhouette meth-heads just appeared on my favorite Cards website!  I'm going to gouge my eyes out with a screwdriver!

by Archaeopteryx on Jan 17, 2007 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Three words for you...
"Firefox"

and...

"AdBlock Plus"

Install those two bad boys and the first time you kick off the AdBlock Plus-enabled Firefox browser and witness the serene glory that is the world wide web entirely sans seizure-inducing ads, you'll grin like Yadi after hitting that game-winning homer in NLCS Game 7.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Jan 17, 2007 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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