Weaver

by musial6 on Jan 11, 2007 1:31 AM EST Comment 8 comments

Now with Mulder signed, it seems unlikely the Cardinals will re-sign Weaver. It's unknown what kind of money Weaver is being offered, but when Marquis gets 21M/3yr, one can draw the conclusion that Weaver will be able to get more than we should be willing to pay.

He'll probably sign for 28M/3yr in the next week, and the Cardinals PR machine will say they wanted him back but he wanted too much guaranteed money and some fans will jeer Weaver for leaving when WE ALL KNOW he owes his career to Dave Duncan and will resume sucking as soon as he goes to another team.

So assuming we're confident Weaver will suck on another team, why don't we just wait for him to flop? Then we just wait for the phone to ring when that team tries to unload him (to the only club who could possibly have any interest in the bum).

Yeah, he could be awesome for his next team and we'll wish we had kept him...and Gil Meche could win the AL Cy Young and lead the Royals to the World Series...

even if he never comes back, we'll always have October 2006.

Poll

If you could have one of the following...

Jeff Suppan 42M/4yr

10 votes

Jason Marquis 21M/3yr

3 votes

Mark Mulder 13M/2yr + incentives

41 votes

Jeff Weaver for = or > than what Marquis got

48 votes

Jeff Weaver for < what Marquis got or none of the above

47 votes

149 votes | Poll has closed

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Is there a market for Weaver?

I am really not sure. Last year he didn't sign until about February 15 either because no one wanted him or his demands were outrageous.

I have a sneaking suspicion that he may end up on another one year deal and maybe if that is the case, maybe the Cards jump back in.

The Mets are already on record saying they don't want him for a long term deal. I'm not sure who is left. Maybe Seattle, but I just am not sure anyone is too excited to give him even a Marquis type deal. He couldn't get one last year when he was coming off a much better year.

by OCCardsFan on Jan 11, 2007 1:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Marquis

Marquis got a deal with the CUBS. Everyone knows that they are morons when it comes to spending money. They gave a 31 year old a seven year deal. Gimme a break. I don't think other clubs or Weaver will use the Marquis deal as a reference. Nobody respects the cubbie decisions.

"And that's a winner. A World Series winner for the Cardinals."

by Bird Watcher on Jan 11, 2007 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

WRONG

the cubs gave a 31-year-old an 8-year deal. Weaver will most certainly use Marquis as a refference (same team, same year, why wouldn't you) . I'm betting there's no way he signs for less than 3/21.

Nobody should respect the cubbie decisions.

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by ilillillli on Jan 12, 2007 3:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sign him

2y/14m with and option

by nybirdfan on Jan 11, 2007 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I hope we can get him for that

I just don't think it's realistic anymore.

14M/2yr plus 2M in annual incentives is what I was aiming for since before the Marquis signing. I know the Cubs don't set the market, but from a player's point of view, Weaver's gotta be thinking to himself "Fuck me if I'm gonna sign for less than Jason Marquis".

If a train wreck gets 21M/3yr from the Cubs and a trainwreck turned rotator cuff reclamation project gets 13M/2yr guaranteed from the Cardinals, can we expect a trainwreck turned successful reclamation project turned WS hero to sign for 14M/2yr?

If the perception is that he is best off here, that could work in our favor and drive his eventual price down - but let's be realistic - the man is represented by Scott Boras. I wouldn't be surprised to wake up and find out Bill Bavasi has signed Weaver for 30M/3yr.

by musial6 on Jan 11, 2007 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Lower base and higher incentives

If he wants all the money, make him earn it. I like the idea of a 2 year deal with an option on the third. Cut the guaranteed money down to say about 4 milion with incentives being able to push it up to about ten or so on top with steps in between. If he wants big dog money make him earn it. If he can't get there he didn't deserve it in the first place. The only problem with that is locking up the young arms behind him. I'd love to see what the kids can do and believe they can. It may not be until next year but we need some what of a youth movement. I'd really like to see what Colby can can do in about July or so if Jimmy's not putting up the numbers we need. I'm sure that's just a pipe dream for a couple years.

by DJ4508 on Jan 11, 2007 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Rosenthal blurb on Weaver

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6365160

"The Cardinals' signings of free-agent left-hander Mark Mulder and right-hander Ryan Franklin on Wednesday won't preclude them from giving Weaver a two-year deal at the right price, but such a move is less urgent than before."

by musial6 on Jan 14, 2007 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs