Game 136 Open Thread: September 4, 2006

marquis ortiz
14-12, 5.86 9-12, 5.34
anthony reyes' strong outing yesterday did nothing to settle the running argument among cardinal fans over la russa and duncan's (mis)handling of this rookie pitcher. on the contrary, opinions in the chat rooms vary as widely as ever re the ill-fated 2-seam experiment and the role it played in reyes' up-and-down season to date. my own position is pretty well known; no need to pound that carcass any further. rather than keep going around in circles about it, let me propose a few things that all cardinal fans might agree on:
- the way reyes pitched yesterday is the way he should pitch from here on out. he didn't pitch to contact, he pitched away from it; and he didn't feature the 2-seam fastball, he pitched off his natural 4-seamer. that approach gets the best results for this particular pitcher at this point in his career. over the long haul, he will probably need to diversify his attack; but for the immediate future, no more tinkering --- he should keep doing what he did yesterday. no matter whose idea it was.
- he has earned the license to suck for an outing or two. he's not going to hold them scoreless every time; he's going to get scored on sometimes, maybe even in bunches. if he has a 4-inning, 5-run outing, shrug it off and send him back out there. marquis weaver and mulder haven't had to pitch while looking over the shoulder this year; reyes shouldn't have to, either.
- he could be a big factor in the postseason. the cardinals have been trying since november to find a #2 pitcher to complement carpenter --- a pitcher whose stuff is good enough that he doesn't have to make a perfect pitch to get hitters out. suppan and marquis (and dear old mulder) are precision pitchers; if they miss by 3 inches they get hammered, especially by playoff-caliber offenses. very few guys can make perfect pitches consistently under october pressure. but reyes doesn't have to; he has enough movement on his pitches, and enough ability to change speeds, that he can catch a few inches of the plate and still miss the fat part of the bat. the cardinals have been chasing pitchers like that --- aj burnett, javy vazquez, dontrelle willis --- since the end of last season. reyes may not have the resume of those pitchers, but he does have that type of ball-throwing ability --- when he's on, he can shut down any offense. just ask the white sox.
even baseball's greatest hitter routinely gets humbled by the game. nothing to do about it but wait until he slugs his way out of the doldrums.
i think this year's slump stands out more distinctly, and caused more concern, because it has coincided with the sidelining of eckstein and edmonds, which weakens an already thin supporting cast. more than ever, pujols and rolen are the whole offense; when one of them stops hitting for a few games, there's nobody else who can pick up the slack.
but that's not the players' fault. they're still gonna have slumps.
it also should be pointed out that during this just-ended slack time, albert managed to hold or share the team lead in homers (4), rbis (16), and walks (7). it's not as if the guy pulled a disappearing act. more like he fell into a random, meaningless rut, as is inevitable in a long season. sure, he's had some ugly at-bats; but he always adjusts. i'm not worried about him.
the other day i wondered (last paragraph) whether the cardinals might become the 1st team in history to have 3 diff'nt pitchers win their 100th game in the same season. turns out it has happened twice before; rob at the birdwatch names the two teams.
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Good comments
On another note, Dave Campbell, one of the ESPN baseball analaysts is a moron. On Mike and Mike this morning he said that if the MVP award went to he BEST player in the league not the most valuable to his team, in the NL it would go to Carlos Beltran. Albert is having a better year than Beltran statistically.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
it's funny, but
I'm starting to wonder
taking albert for granted...
albert has been so good for so long now that everyone just assumes he is in his 30s.
by duckymedwick7 on Sep 4, 2006 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Carlos Beltran?!
Who's that?
<listens to teleprompt>
Oh. Why him?
...pssst...I don't really like those baseball 'analysists'....
Mama always said
Mama always had a way of explaining things so I could understand them...
Games like yeserday's make me smile
Oh, and I'd like to thank ESPN for the lack of freaking highlights.
Something I'd pay for on On Demand TV? Pick a team, get yesterday's highlights. Maybe a 5m or 10m game summary.
mlb.com
Its too bad
by TNFan32 on Sep 4, 2006 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
dont forget
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 4, 2006 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
oh no shit...
Ah...
by TNFan32 on Sep 4, 2006 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
High Heat...
That said, I thought Reyes did an excellent job of throwing fastballs for strikes DOWN in the zone, and putting people away with the four-seamer up OUT of the zone (above the letters) and his truly nasty changeup. When he put the fastball between the belt and the letters, he got hit hard... but he didn't do it very often.
Ain't no law I know of sez ya can't throw a four-seamer between the thighs and the knees for strikes. As with everybody else, it's all about location. Eventually, I think Reyes will learn some other pitch (2-seamer, cutter, "pulling the string") that will look like his fastball, but have a sinking action. But the place to learn that pitch is in the bullpen during side sessions. "Dance with who brung ya," kid... keep being aggressive with that fastball!
agreed --- he didn't
that's not anything new for the rook. he pitched that way last season and was very successful. he's a polished pitcher --- pitches to spots, changes speeds. not just a rare-back-n-throw-em guy.
he relies on command, not pure speed --- but that's why the 2-seamer business was so ill-advised. he can't spot that pitch effectively, and without command he's disarmed.
he can put the 4-seamer where he wants it consistently; if they'll just leave him alone now and let him throw that pitch, i expect that he'll be more consistently effective.
hopefully
Pujols and Reyes fastball
as for "Flat Hat" (nice nickname) he may throw 92, but his fastball has pretty good movement. rather that then a 95 mph'er that's straight as an arrow.
i do seem to remember seeing what looked like a cutter or 2 in yesterday's game.
Go Cards!
Let's prove Steve Phillips wrong
Re: Let's prove Steve Phillips wrong
Oh, btw... I'd put Beltran 3rd in the MVP balloting, behinbd Howard and Pujols, in that order.
well...
As I recall it was on a trip to Washington
Yup, here's the box score. Complete game two-hit shutout, only 91 pitches, and zero walks. Here's hoping for a repeat!
http://sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/boxscore/MLB_20050827_STL@WAS
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 4, 2006 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
I'm screwed the next three days...
tell me about it ...
I was supposed to go watch the game with a friend but she bailed on me. Oh well, maybe I can get it on the radio.
I blame Peter Angelos.
by dontEATnachos on Sep 4, 2006 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If you live 10 miles from RFK
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2006 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
same in Baltimore
I remember seeing a full page add in The Sun recently that I thought congratulated the parties on reaching an agreement to bring MASN (Angelos' Nats' TV network) to Comcast beginning 9/1. Either I misread it, something fell through, or they missed their target date.
I mostly blame Comcast, but the whole ordeal has been dispicable.
by Speedy G on Sep 4, 2006 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Today should be interesting....
I hope it's April again. It sure felt like it yesterday. Would be nice to send a message with another 2 HR game today that the Big Guy is back.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Damn, dude
Just imagine what it's like to be a non-Cardinals fan when another team is playing against StL, and Albert is at the plate.
Been there, as a Cards fan
Especially Clemente. There's something about Clemente's intensity at the plate that really comes across from AP.
I'm really sick of these posts...
Nowhere in there did I say anything bad about Albert, I only commented on the fact that yesterday felt like his amazing April start and I hoped it would continue to do so.
Sod off.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 4, 2006 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
There was every reason to be skeptical of Albert's ability to maintain his production level in April (I went as far to wonder if it was steroids, just because his production was too absurd to believe), and there was every reason to believe that he'd start producing again when he went down the stretch.
Flat Hat....
not a save, but an uh-oh outing
Lineup
Aaron Miles SS
Chris Duncan LF
Albert Pujols 1B
Scott Rolen 3B
John Rodriguez RF
Preston Wilson CF
Ronnie Belliard 2B
Gary Bennett C
Jason Marquis P
I've doublechecked this time that I did leave any typos in there like I did Saturday where I had Carp pitching
i'm happy to see j-rod
hope he can remind la mastermind of his abilities.
I gotta say..
With Ramon Ortiz pitching
by 26thMan on Sep 4, 2006 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
same here
Link
Go Cards. Have a safe and fun Labor Day all.
i just have somewhat of a hard time buying it
yeah those duncan comments
these guys can never admit to being wrong --- ever.
reserving judgment...
and all i got from Duncan's comments was this:
and 12 home runs in 64 innings is WAY too many, no matter what kind of fastball he's throwing. Reyes isn't going to be able to consistenly blow 92 mph fastballs past MLB hitters. if he can't keep the ball down, he's gonna get rocked. they're trying to get him to keep the ball down and he's trying to learn how to do it.
now, i find none of that to be horseshit. in fact, it's all perfectly logical.
i wish people would just realize what Reyes is: a decent - not great - pitcher who is young and inconsistent. every time he has a bad game it isn't Duncan's fault, and every time he has a good one it isn't because he's bucking Dunc's teaching. he ain't Bob Gibson; he's just a kid who's trying to learn how to win in the big leagues.
what's horseshit
duncan wanted reyes to pitch down in the strike zone; good advice. but instead of working w reyes to keep his 4-seamer down, he forced a new pitch upon reyes --- and it didn't work.
if duncan could admit a mistake, he might concede the obvious --- the 2-seamer was a bad fit for reyes, and they had to find another way to get him to keep the ball down, the answer was what reyes favored all along: the 4-seamer. he's been working on throwing that pitch to the bottom half of the zone, and it has achieved the necessary results.
nobody ever compared reyes to bob gibson; that's a straw man. nobody even said he was a future ace pitcher. he doesn't have to be either of those things to help this team in 2006. he just has to be an above-league-avg pitcher --- a #3 type starter, with luck a #2 type.
given his minor league numbers and scouting reports, those were not / are not unrealistic expectations.
straw man?
he's only got two pitches that he can control, he's prone to injury and giving up lots of HRs, and he's struggled with BBs in the majors. he can't seem to pitch past the 6th inning (or even to the 6th) with any consistency. some of that may be attributed to his attempted incorporation of the 2-seamer, but certainly not all of it.
i guess i just see a lot of people here laying a lot of blame on Dunc without enough cause. there's certainly plenty of insinuation on the net to that effect. maybe yesterday's start is a sign of things to come; maybe Reyes has learned how to win in the big leagues; maybe Dunc will "let him" pitch the way that he has in the minors.
or maybe he just pitched well (and got phenomonal defensive help) against one of the worst teams in baseball, who had similar struggles against Weaver the day before.
i mean, i like Reyes a lot. i'm happy that i'll get to see him for the next few years, and i certainly think he's a better postseason option than Marquis. i hope Reyes has a great career with the Cardinals. but my expectations are fairly low. if i were the Cardinals, i'd go into next season expecting him and Wainwright to be my #4 and #5 starters, posting ERAs around 4.50; i.e. average pitchers whose value to the team is expanded by paying them minimum salaries, but not my #2 and #3 guys.
and Duncan isn't going to say that trying to teach Reyes the 2-seamer is a mistake because he doesn't think it is. i don't either, insofar as it would give him another good pitch that could really help keep hitters off-balance, and he needs another good pitch that he can control. i'd prefer them to tinker with it in the offseason/ spring training/ minor leagues rather than in the middle of a pennant race, but so would they: TLR/Dunc never intended for Reyes to get so much big-league action this year.
anyway, whatever. i'm not saying you're wrong. all i'm saying is that i'm not convinced you're right. i've never seen a pitch-chart or any sort of empirical evidence suggesting that Reyes's 2-seamer is what gives him the majority of his trouble. but that sentiment is bandied about as if it were some indisputable fact. i just don't see it that way. there is a learning-curve for any pitcher learning any new pitch, but that doesn't necessarily make it a bad idea.
noone's saying that he shouldn't learn the pitch
i agree to an extent...
i'm not scout or anything, but i've watched every start of Reyes's MLB career, and i can't pick up on anything (in velocity, movement, etc.) that tells me that his issues this season are the fault of the 2-seam fastball. and, like i said before, i've heard of no empirical evidence to back this up (pitch-charts, etc.).
it's all about his control, which has been spotty with all of his pitches this year. when he can locate well, he pitches well. when he can't, he walks guys, and then a HR can kill him, and he's averaging nearly one dinger every 4 innings (perhaps because he's throwing high 4-seamers?).
like i said, he's a good (not great) young pitcher who is going through some growing pangs. he will be inconsistent. and i don't think that Dunc and the 2-seamer are the only reasons why.
you're exaggerating
the beat writers have done a very nice job documenting the 2-seam vs 4-seam tug of war. if you've not followed it, i can't rehash six months of history in this space; perhaps a diary is in order to document this narrative. but simply read the wrapup of the pittsburgh game published at the team's official site:
reyes would have had his growing pains no matter what --- i agree with you there. that's why the 2d point on my list in this point is that "reyes should have the license to suck," and why i acknowledged that he's going to get beat up sometimes.
but if he's got to get beat up, let him do it with his best stuff. it's difficult enough to break into the big leagues even when you're throwing the pitches you trust and believe in. reyes was forced to throw a pitch he hadn't mastered, and that made his transition to the big leagues --- an inherently difficult process --- more difficult than ever.
i've read all the beat writers...
what he did yesterday was impressive. but again, he beat the worst team in the league. to consider this some sort of "victory" in the anti-Dunc campaign is probably over-stating the case; it's only one game. we'll see what Reyes is capable of over the long term. and, if he continues to live only on the 4-seamer, we'll see if he can sustain success. my guess (and Dunc's) is that he can't, at least without some complimentary pitches. other than his change, he hasn't got any.
again, i'm not saying the 2-seamer is good for Reyes. i've just never seen any actual evidence that the majority of the damage against him this year has been because of that pitch. for all the groaning in Cardinal Nation on the subject, i just would've expected some sort of pitch-analysis by now. but i haven't seen one.
i did exaggerate the HR totals, but not intentionally. for some reason, i had it in my head that he'd given up 16 homers in 64 innings (before yesterday) instead of 12. thus the discrepancy. my bad.
it's not a "victory"
moreover, there is no "anti-dunc" camp. there are fans (quite a number) who disagree with how duncan has handled this particular pitcher, and how the organization handles young pitchers in general. that doesn't make us "anti-duncan" or "anti la russa."
re analysis --- i've watched ev'y reyes start and written afterward about his pitch selection, mix of 2-seamers / 4-seamers, etc. in this post i questioned the preponderance of off-speed pitches; here i contrasted reyes' start v the chisox with his late-july outings; in this post i described the initial backing away from the 2-seamer.
i don't have the sort of hard numerical analysis you're suggesting, and i don't think it would be useful. you can't parse out the "damage," pitch by pitch. take this example --- vs the braves, reyes gave up a couple of hr on high fastballs, butthey came on hitters' counts (3-1, 2-0) that were the result of reyes' throwing the 2-seamer early in the at-bat and falling behind.
do those hr support dave/tony's contention that big-league hitters will hammer reyes' high heat? or do they support us dunc-doubters who believe that reyes is most effective when he attacks with his 4-seamer, and uses it to set up every at-bat?
all in one's interpretation.
for which reason, i don't think i could ever "prove" to you that reyes' struggles this summer were exacerbated by the 2-seam experiment. i'm convinced that the 2-seam business disrupted reyes' entire rhythm and undermined even his good pitches; it deterred him from sequencing his pitches the way he likes to, and the way he has been successful. but i could probably never convince you of that; there'd always be room for interpretation.
so let's take another tack. all parties now agree that reyes made an adjustment down at memphis --- he went back to using the 4-seamer as his primary pitch, with the 2-seamer as a complement, a second look he can show to hitters. that's the approach he used sunday v the pirates, and one the organization now seems to be behind. if reyes is effective with that approach between now and the end of the year, might you then entertain the notion that the original 2-seam experiment --- ie the attempt to establish it as his primary pitch --- was counterproductive?
you're entitled to your opinion, and i'm not going to try to change it. all i care about is that the team gets the best use out of its resources. reyes is a resource who has been underutilized this year, to my great frustration and disappointment. if the team can get optimal yield out of him betw now and the end of the year, i'll be happy --- no matter how many horseshit quotes from duncan i have to read in the paper. ;]
MLB TV
Go Cards!
Well we dodged it the first...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 4, 2006 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I'm going to abstain
Same here
GB
Also, they are comparing Ronnie to a certain hitter in Boston
and that'll be a web gem on ESPN
nice catch
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
Something about Marquis hitting
Obviously, he thnks he's Ichiro
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols to lead off the 4th
The upper part of RFK is so empty.
i thought that was out of here
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Soriano...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
Marquis...
Well, here's the BIG test of the day.
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
Soriano needs some chin music...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
that was huge...
Sit down Soriano. Kneel down to Jason Marquis
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 4, 2006 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
wow
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
I don't like the Nats announcers
Is it just me or does Marquis work very slowly?
wasn't one of these guys...
Bob Carpenter
He was my fav. TV announcer
That'll do...
cmon wilson
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Flat today....
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
Our offense
Poor Abs....
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
An .829 OPS isn't horrible for a 4th outfielder
esp. when our starting CF...
i LOVE Wilson, if only because it means that Timo is gone.
Are the manufacturers making
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Is it just that MLB.TV is crappy....
Lopez was out...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
It was close
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He was out...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
we need to be more patient
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
damn
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
Why cant this team be consistent
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 4, 2006 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
crocodile hunter
what a shame
darn cmon get a hit
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:11 PM EDT reply actions
fly balls and strikeouts
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 4, 2006 2:11 PM EDT reply actions
No-hitter through 5?!?
seems...
No hitter
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
Damn, that guy is fast!!!
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Ronnie
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
wat a headsup play
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Nice to see such a smart play
just an idea
I'll go first. Five innings, five strikeouts, and no hits? Ortiz is on fire! Let's see if he can make it six innings of no hits...
(SWEET play by Belliard!)
ESPN news' breaking news:
That has to be the kiss of death. (please please please)
If we don't get a hit this inning...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
I just get home
this guy has huge ears
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
It's amazing we can't find a hole for a hit
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
Hands down....
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Do you ever show up...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What's so negative....
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
6 IP
Close to impossible...
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Which really makes the fact that Soriano
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
DP!!!
Please get a hit....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 4, 2006 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Hal McRae....
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
You know....
As far as today, I do think Ramon Ortiz certainly deserves some credit. He really is throwing the ball well. However, our hitters are the most aggressive I've seen in the games that I've watched in a while...at one point we had made three outs on three pitches. Certainly he can walk up and down the dugout and throw out some nuggets of wisdom one would think...
by stanchar @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not McRae
It's their pitching and our lack of hitting
What?
Bennett will break up the no-hitter
Bob Carpenter is going to jinx Ortiz
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Take a pitch!
Since then most fools have been swinging at the first $^%&*() pitch and making an out. Now near the end of the 7th his pitch count is only 80, 44 pitches for 5 innings. TLR should shoot anyone that swings at the first pitch and makes an out on it.
Stretch time
Can you feel the story line now?
Bennett
Marquis go in order in the 8th.
Miles
Duncan down quickly in the 9th.
Pujols hits HR in the 9th to break up no-hitter, Izzy gets the save.
close but no cookie
This sure is like....
I dont care
Apparently, Labor Day loves non-no's, and I think karma is getting back at the Bud Smith affair from 5 years ago.
Also, good outing by Mr Marquis.
Hrabosky
No Al. A pitcher who makes jams and gets out of them is not pitching better than the other pitcher who is crafting a no-hitter.
Al Hrabrosky has no idea what
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and it begins...
On a plus side
Gut check time
why is it
well e knew that was coming
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
Killer B's batt next
At teh rate we are going Albert will get to make the last Ab of the No hitter
A little off topic but
I think you could expect:
AVG in the .260-.280 range
OBP in the .350-.370 range
SLG in the upper .400s
all while playing a good CF. I really like him as a player and think he would be a great acquistion.
Well, I'm having a Manny Aybar flashback
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
damn in busch we would have been ahead
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
New pitcher
Don't forget
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
hes done it three times before today
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Sep 4, 2006 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is exactly why I don't think he will do it
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe poo and dunc
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
Well, this is just too much.
by allenbrent on Sep 4, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
OH MY FUCKING GOD!
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 4, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
nah
WTF?!?
Wow
by ryanisforever on Sep 4, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Somebody please
throw him a god damn curve
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Well...
no hitter no hitter no hitter
At least
But otherwise, this Cards game is sick.
only charged with 4 as of right now though
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
wow maybe well get to him finally
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
The kind of game you dream about
Silver Lining
just one of those days...
I'll fix this....
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There.
New pitcher
Reminder: In June, Reyes had a no hitter til the 9th inning when Thome went yard
He only pitched 8 innings in that game!!
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
not quite, my bad
well this one got out of hand quick.
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
cmon offense, please
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Just one hit!!!
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Well Ortiz lowered his era 30 points
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
finally
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
AARON MILES FOR PRESIDENT
Poor Ortiz that just ruined his day!
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 4, 2006 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
HA!
Hell is at 34 degrees, close, but not quite the end of the world.
albert
by jcarro100 on Sep 4, 2006 3:13 PM EDT reply actions



















