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Boogstache_tiny by erik on


cormier               pettitte
4-5, 5.00        14-13, 4.30


As Shannon would say the worm has turned, just go ask Slim Pickins and his homeboy Scott Spiezio. We're all gonna be doing some Tomahawk choppin' tonight. It turns out Pettitte will now be pitching on short rest. Go Bravos!

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Pettite is pitching tonight?!
Short rest I assume?
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Garner said
Sampson(sp?) was his guy today, he must have scratched him late.
Eddie Gaedel for the 2-hole!

by OKCardsfan on Sep 30, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't you?
they have to win. Cox & staff (sorry about that) will have no choice but to forgive him.

by redbadger on Sep 30, 2006 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pettite was listed for tommorrow
and today was a TBD...hey anyone have any vid of the peeps at busch doing th echop yesterday?

by punchinjudy on Sep 30, 2006 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

word up
thnx, fixed
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worm-turning
Hunter S. Thompson was fond of the phrase too. I Googled it and got this:

The Worm Has Turned
by
Nancy Sherer

When Shakespeare used that simple phrase, "The worm has turned," he knew his audience would understand its meaning and origin. A widely used expression even today, it indicates a reversal of fortune, but few who use it know why.

"Worm" is a common term for 'dragon.' In fairy tale terms, the flying dragon spewing fire would ravage fields and villages. To be in the dragon's path resulted in inescapable destruction. What a relief if it changed directions.

The phrase persists through time and changing cultures because it describes a more ancient and universal force: the annual cycle of the sun. As time cycles through the seasons, the Dragon circles through the Zodiac. After summer solstice, when long summer days dry the earth, the Dragon ravages the land bringing drought and pestilence. As the seasons change, the worm turns.

by birdjam on Sep 30, 2006 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew
I shouldn't have slept through English Lit.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 30, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Braves
Deciding between what to watch tonight, this game may just be muted
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Sep 30, 2006 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

braves game
is it on tv? anywhere?

by Fitz on Sep 30, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB.tv
will have it I think, it should be on after the blackout is lifted.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turner South
You can get it thru direct tv
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 30, 2006 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not me
dang it.  Turner South says "program not available in your area" whenever there's a Braves game on.  Don't know why western Arkansas is not allowed to see it.  I guess we're not part of the "south".

'Course, I guess I didn't miss much since it seems the Astros are going to win this one.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 30, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's also on
Extra Innings on the Game 1 channel

by cardsrul on Sep 30, 2006 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who Wants to bet
Who wants to bet this thread gets more comments than eithier the Braves or Astros Blogs? I got 5 on Viva.

by DimitroffVodka on Sep 30, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

i would've said $500, at least,
since we're - you're, i'm - essentially quantity control when it comes to comments.

i can't root for the Braves, but i can root for Edgar Renteria & Brian Jordan. so, go, guys.

ok, hell: GO BRAVES!

by redbadger on Sep 30, 2006 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll help you out on that..
I'll be watching tonight if it's on (Fox Sports Houston has "Upcoming: Astros @ Braves" listed all afternoon and evening).  Sure hope the Braves do it.  I will have to miss tomorrow's game, and, it'd be nice to give everyone a rest.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 30, 2006 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!
i just realized that the guy who got the loss for the brew crew was shouse, the lefty who came in to face edmonds but ended up intentionally walking encarnacion and came out of the game....thats the defintion of an unfair loss.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 30, 2006 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB season Ticket
MLB season ticket on Dish and Directv will also have the game...and I'll be watching!  GO BRAVES!!!!!!

by BSell81 on Sep 30, 2006 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I've got a favor to ask:
Can we please not use the term "Ass-tros"? It's, uh, rather classless. Thx!

I hope we're doing the tomahawk chop tonight.

by SirVLCIV on Sep 30, 2006 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

or maybe
your since of humor is lacking.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 30, 2006 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.
The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is, it is
in poor taste.  I have nothing against the Astros; I just want them to lose.
The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
It's as original as "deadbirds"
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 30, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just back from
Busch... one of the more fun games I've been to.

I stopped by the store to grab some bottles of bubbly and now I'm off to a friends house to catch the game... nice little Saturday, really!

Go Cards... GO BRAVES!

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 30, 2006 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

nicknames
Im not for the nickname of the stros but I really don't like them..They Boo albert, and their owner the last two years has irked me ...last year he said they were gonna cath the cards in the central cause they wernt that good or something...maybe trying to ralley his guys but still...

and if tis true that he called to whine to selig ick...plus 90% of stros fans are fair weather not die hards...but they act like they know what they are talking about.

by punchinjudy on Sep 30, 2006 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I would almost never boo a player-
especially a good one.  But I guess fans are free to be as classless as they'd like.

As far as fair-weather fans, I have nothing against them.  People derive enjoyment from their interests in all kinds of ways.  Baseball can't be that important to everyone who follows it.  However I agree, it irks me when casual students (i.e. fans) of anything try to come off as experts.

The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm..just thinking...
as far as "spelling" the Astro's with an extra "s"  Does that really qualify as an offensive term?...My reasonig being if we were all talking on the phone...no one would even notice the difference..  :)

by Timbo02 on Sep 30, 2006 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it does
if it is written.
The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dodgers win 4-2
Pads up 3-1 in the top of the ninth.

by punditmoi on Sep 30, 2006 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it just me...
...or are formal Cards in the middle of all the "Other" games.

Morris pitching big to beat the Reds.

Edgar hitting the HR yesterday

and now an oldie

Cormier pitching to help us into the playoffs.

On a side note it is good to see Cormier still pitching after all these years. I wouldn't have guessed that 10 years ago.

by Harknights on Sep 30, 2006 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Different Cormier
This guy is only 26 and he's a righty.  The Cormier you're thinking of is working out of the Phillies pen these days.

As to "formal" Cards helping out, I, quite frankly, don't care how they're dressed if they help out the Cards.

by punditmoi on Sep 30, 2006 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops
Figures, since I took a jab at your typo... but Rheal Cormier, the former Card, is pitching out of the Reds' pen, these days, not the Phillies'.

by punditmoi on Sep 30, 2006 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Padres Clinch
They beat the d'backs 3-1.  But its unknown if they will be the champs or wild-card.
The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Dodgers/Padres tie question
I'm hoping this is a simple one: if the Dodgers and Padres tie for both the NL West and the wild card, then the division winner is decided by head-to-head numbers, correct?  And how does that outcome affect the Cards' (knock on wood) NLDS match-up?  I.e., who are we likeliest to face in the NLDS?  Thanks, all, for this and all your comments.

by jfs on Sep 30, 2006 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, there are not (extra-game) playoffs
for playoff seedings.  We will face whoever is the NL West Champion.
The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

More over,
If LA and SD tie, SD is the NL West Champ becuase they have a better head-to-head record.  That means the Cards play SD (rematch of '05), and NY plays LA (kinda a rematch of '88).

If LA wins outright, the Cards will play them (ala '85 and '04) and NY plays SD.

In anycase, NY and the NL west champs would get home-feild advantage.

The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If
If Dodgers win Today. Then it goes down like this for tommorow.

Dodgers Win, Padres Lose: We Play Dodgers
Padres Win: We Play Padres
Both Lose: We Play Padres

I personally want to Play the Padres

by DimitroffVodka on Sep 30, 2006 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey that means,
the Cards or Houston will be the last team to clinch.
The '06 Cards- The New '64 Phillies?

by Zubin on Sep 30, 2006 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

This Cormier guy sucks...
jeez.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Bloody Berkman...
I saw the score and said to myself, "Let me guess, Berkman!"

And Braves, your plate discipline is an example to us all. Take some pitches! Jeez!

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 30, 2006 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Post Season Roster
I still say leave Belliard off.

by saladdin69 on Sep 30, 2006 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea...
They would have clinched 3 weeks ago.

by saladdin69 on Sep 30, 2006 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

very doubtful
Belly is worht keeping for his glove, or I guess you miss that DP he did was that yesterday? When he got the line drive and guy at second...let me guess you miss luna...His bat maybe but that guy coulndt turn 2 to save his life

by punchinjudy on Sep 30, 2006 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guessed wrong
No. Don't want Luna back either.
I didn't know Belliard's defense was the reason why he was traded for. Thanks for the insight.

by saladdin69 on Sep 30, 2006 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure it was for his bat
that isnt there, but he is much better D than Luna...unless your one of those we miss Grudz guys...this is the team they have, they wont leave belly off the roster

by punchinjudy on Sep 30, 2006 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I swear
I don't think that Pettitte has thrown more than 4 pitches to any one batter.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 30, 2006 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

It took him five...
... to strike out LaRoche, but point taken.

by punditmoi on Sep 30, 2006 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 pitches after 4 innings....
...I guess the Braves haven't heard of taking a pitch---and against a pitcher on short rest at that!

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 30, 2006 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pettite is dealing...
jeez. He is tearing up the Braves hitters.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Renteria DP

Cmon you Braves. how about some offense now?

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen......
It would be nice to see Petitte suddenly tire, then get shellacked.

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the deal?
Aybar at third and no Chipper?

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

BUSTED!
OK, now the no-hit is gone. MAybe they'll bust it out now.

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

PFFT!
DP ended that little rally.

Come on Braves!

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st hit
of the night to lead off the fifth for the bravos.  just as i was looking to jinx the no-no too.

by sdesserman on Sep 30, 2006 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Drat!

Houston, you are a problem.

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Do the smart thing, pitch....
Go 3-0, then groove one............uuuggggggggggh

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe
As much as I would rather it just go ahead and end tonight with a Braves win.... part of me says it would be sweet to win it on the field tomorrow and let the boys have a celebration..... let them relax, uncork the bubbly.... maybe that will loosen them in order to get ready for the postseason...

another thing.... if we clinch tomorrow, when will be our first playoff game?......anyone know?

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Not at the cost of Carp getting extra rest
I'm very concerned about him.  I really, really hope he doesn't have to pitch tomorrow.  But, I do agree with the decision to start him tomorrow if Houston wins.  We won't have the luxury of doing anything else.  

by calico30 on Sep 30, 2006 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

on
a pitchout on the first delivery from the new pitcher.

by sdesserman on Sep 30, 2006 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pettite
is one great big game pitcher.  Is there anyone better?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 30, 2006 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

giles bunting
seems like a sketchy call to me for someone who's obp is around .350....

by Tudor 85 on Sep 30, 2006 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Houston Tomorrow
Who pitches tomorrow for Houston.... anyone know?.....

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

That would be
really short rest, because he just pitched Thursday.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad
I thought he pitched Wednesday......oops.

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's okay
and it's not out of the question. Garner seems bound and determined to run the crap out of his starting pitchers.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe
I am guessing probably Hirsch?......... I'll still take my chances with Smoltzy going for Atlanta....

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kitchen Sink
Hell, I am going on a limb with the way Garner coaches... is that everyone will be available except for Pettite

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Clemens would be available either
Garner needs to stop managing like this is the World Series. Even if they make it, they'll be dead by Tuesday.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

these braves
are some hackers. Where's Chipper?
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The way McBride has handled the Astros,
I don't think I would mind seeing him in white and red sometime in the near future.

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

What's happening
The last I seen, Biggio had a full count.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

He walked.
Yates replaces McBride with Everett at the plate. No pitches on GC yet

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOO
Thank you Garner for pulling Pettite!
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

good bye pettitte
hello bullpen! It's chop time!
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's go Larry
...
Never thought I'd say that.

by STLEdge on Sep 30, 2006 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
and I said that he would strikeout...

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple more,
and the Closer that Looks Like David Wells can finish them..........Please.....

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Berkman misses an easy pop fly...
he got lucky that got called foul
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

sweet
game is tied.

berkman will not be a GG winner

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Sep 30, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

WOOOO!!!
Thank you VERY MUCH, Garner, for yanking Pettitte, who had been absolutely DOMINATING the Braves!

And thank you Adam LaRoche (I always knew I liked people named Adam for a reason!) for tying this mofo up!

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 30, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

dang it
giles almost tied it there
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

dang...
though Giles had all of that. Oh well, if Braves can hold them in the top of the 9th, they have Renteria, A.Jones, and Francouer in the 9th.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

wickman in
his picture takes up the whole box on gameday

by Jocephus on Sep 30, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Wickman in for the Braves...
come on Wicky.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

DAMN YOU GILES
Error by Marcus giles.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
it's like the Astros are destined to win this..

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Brad Effin Ausmus
really reached base 3 times tonight?
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

As much as I like Molina
I've got to say that having a consistently pesky offensive catcher is pretty nice.

Great.. First and thrid, one out, stros take the lead.

Barves, you better have a couple runs left in you.

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhhhh...
Brad Ausmus sucks offensively, he is as bad as Yadier. But I agree, I would like a catcher who can hit, hence my signature.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Braves blew it...
crap crap crap.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

freaking amateur mistake by Chipper...
should've held on to the ball.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the Astros
just get ANOTHER squib hit or was it deep in the hole?

by buzzburton33 on Sep 30, 2006 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

not his fault....
if Giles didn't make that error, there would've only been a runner on 1st.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

First time
we face Giles next year, we need to plug him.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me

by heathen on Sep 30, 2006 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

bah
looks like the birds are on their own
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep
Nice job, Braves.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Now Berkman gets to bat again.......
Just what we wanted........grief...........

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

This is why no one wants to see the Braves in the
playoffs. They can't finish games out for crap.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Renteria!

Oh my God! Don't fall apart now!

Too late. Two more runs in...

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

dude
don't you have gameday, or something. E6, renteria threw it away, the astros busted it wide open 5-2
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets hope the Carpenter of early September
and not the carpenter that pitched the last two starts shows up tomorrow

by Podlol on Sep 30, 2006 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news is that Houston has no
great starting pitching tomorrow and the Atlanta Timids (well, they are not brave are they?) could pitch Smoltz

by Podlol on Sep 30, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Did we do something to Wickman,
Cause he's acting like he doesn't want to help us out. Jerk.

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

True enough.
Still, the meat of this ATL lineup is no joke. They could get three or more, on Wheeler, or Qualls, or even "lights out". SO, c'mon Braves!

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braves are choking
almost like this game actually affects their season...
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

"Stros are like cockroaches once again
Just when you think you have 'em in the corner and  your boot is coming down to crush them they scurry up the wall and out of danger once more.....

by Podlol on Sep 30, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Stupid Bug!
You go squish now!!!!
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right now
It would be lovely to see an Adam LaRoche walk off Grand salami..........ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

by fuegophil on Sep 30, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

please o please o please
DO NOT start Carpenter tomorrow!  We only need 1 W in 3 games, and that's assuming Hou wins tomorrow and I don't think they will.

Carp needs the extra days rest, he'll have to go twice in 5 days.

Start Narvie

I'd like to see the herd that you and Jake could gather. Herd of whores ... maybe.". Woodrow F. Call

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 30, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

What do you guys think?
The Braves game is 2 hours before the Cards game tomorrow. Say by the time the Cards game starts, Tony notices that the Braves are up like 5-0 in the 8th, would he pitch Carpenter?
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

what's wrong with gameday?
they took a run away from Atlanta?

by madding on Sep 30, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

It's frozen here too
Gameday hasn't been worth a damn this year. It's slow as hell, even on a fast internet connection...
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen it freeze
but I've never seen it screw up the score like that.

by madding on Sep 30, 2006 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen it happen before
once or twice. It can be slow even under normal circumstances, but when anything unusual happens it just locks up...
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i asked this above, but...
how did burke reach? was it a squib, hot shot in the hole or what?

by buzzburton33 on Sep 30, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Renteria
Did it on purpose?
I'd like to see the herd that you and Jake could gather. Herd of whores ... maybe.". Woodrow F. Call

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 30, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

UGH
While I wholeheartedly do not want Carp to pitch tomorrow, we cannot afford to assume Houston will lose tomorrow (even if they are down by 5 in the 8th - look what they just did!).  With what's happened in the last 2 weeks, we cannot assume anything.

Carp has to go tomorrow if the Braves don't pull it out here.

by calico30 on Sep 30, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

garner
makes the stupidest, most senseless and pointless pitching changes. he has a 3 run lead and 2 outs. ridiculous
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Why?
Is Pujols taking the last AB for the Braves?
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wrong. 2 on, 2 out.
KTRS keeps cutting out so I don't know more at the moment.

Tying run at the plate, 2 out.

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

had Wickman/defense stopped them...
this game would be over.
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 30, 2006 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

runner steals
then walks back to first thinking it was foul and almost gets tagged out
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Sep 30, 2006 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Freaky gameq
it's like they're all trying to see who can lose it.

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon Braves!
I can't believe I'm pumping my fists for Atlanta!

by cmat on Sep 30, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeezus
What the hell is happening at MLB.com? Every score they show has Atlanta losing a run and behind 5-1...
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yahoo is screwed up too
Guess they all use the same source. So it's 5-4, 2 outs? Anyone on?

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Spooky
all the transmission problems in a crucial game...just when its on the line

by Podlol on Sep 30, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Drat
And we need an overflow. Does anyone have permissions to make one?

So what happens now? Carp pitching? Or who?

by glamberson on Sep 30, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Carp goes tomorrow
a win and it doesn't matter what the astros do

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Tomahawk
Choke...

I bet Smoltz will be fired up tomorrow...

"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Sunday starter
I vote for Narveson.  Assume that the regular starting lineup can handle the young guy the Brewer are starting (hopefully we'll do better than last time).  They could go the 'watch Atl/Hou' route.  Plan on Carp going and change at the last minute if it looks like the Braves are going to win.  

Either way, try your utmost to rest Carp, Pujols, etc., etc. tomorrow if at all possible.
 

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 30, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn, that would have been a nice present,
resting Carp. From a quick glance, looks like opinion is pretty evenly split here on whether to start him tomorrow. FWIW, I'm for starting him. I can see some merit in the argument that we only need to win one of (potentially) three games, but seems like top priority now should be just getting to the postseason, not lining up the rotation. The way this team has been playing, we can't make any assumptions about what we can do over three games, and even with trouble the past two starts Carp clearly gives us the best chance tomorrow.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

That's right
If the Cards were on their way to the postseason, this would be no problem, but nothing is a given, especially with that Villanueva guy throwing against them tomorrow. They need Carpenter, and they need him to stop dicking around and being Carpenter again.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't criticize Carpenter
for being tired.  If I remember right, he pitched a couple of complete games in the weeks before he had these last two bad starts.  The guy's got a right to be tired & he's done a good job of fighting to keep us in those games where he isn't at his best.

by calico30 on Sep 30, 2006 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow
The Braves are a really stupid effing team. Has anyone seen a team fall apart mentally like that before?

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

What did they do to fall apart mentally?
Something in the bottom of the ninth (or you mean the error in the top)? I still have no idea what's been happening in this game except from this site....

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giles booted a ball
Chipper made a dumb play and Renteria threw a ball away that made the score 5-2.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw ours do it a few times
esp. w/ the bullpen.  We had 1 game where we threw it around the infield and got no one out.  They should have won tonight, no doubt.  But we let a few get away ourselves.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

we can't rest people
we have to win!  it's no time to get greedy.  that train left the station when we went into a 7 game losing streak.  Carp goes tomorrow.  Pujols bats third.  Edmonds, Rolen, Eckstein... the lineup has everyone.  Tomorrow's our 1st playoff game!

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

First Playoff Game
If we win tomorrow does anyone know when the first playoff game would be?......

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

And what would be the rotation options
if Carp goes tomorrow? Working on the assumption that Marquis is done (I could see him doing some relief work under extreme circumstances, but giving him another start would be unforgivable; have a bullpen game, start Sosa, sign Jose Canseco, anything else...), Reyes would be the obvious choice. From some of Tony's comments lately it seems like he's getting a lot more comfortable with him, and I can't see Reyes pulling an Ankiel out there - he seems to in control. Too soon for Weaver?

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2006 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

They need to win
tommorrow..if they dont then they have to play monday...so play everyone tommorrow

by punchinjudy on Sep 30, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You would think
after Speezer's HUGE hit, that they would feel confident and roaring to go tomorrow, but momentum is tomorrow's starting pitcher, and the Cardinals starter hasn't exactly been Mr. Reliable as of late.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

EFFING ADAM LADUCHE
never send a boy to do a man's job. and, never,

EVER depend on someone else to do your work for you.

must win tomorrow. Go get'em CARP. Dont try to do to much. just be your normal awesome self.

Give'em hell boys.

Make us all proud.

Go down swinging.

GO CARDINALS

From THE MAN, to Gibby, to The Wizard, to Albert the Great. Cardinal Tradition lives on.

by gdm426 on Sep 30, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Bernie says TLR has hinted Brad Thompson
starts tomorrow regardless of the outcome tonight.  I like that move.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree
either thompson or narveson

they can eat innings.

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Sep 30, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said to go w/ Carp
but I'm starting to come around.  We've got 2 chances to win 1, both at home.  And if Carp is forced to go Monday, it won't make a difference w/ him in the playoffs.  Regardless of whether he goes Sunday or Monday, he won't be able to go again until Game 3 unless LaRussa pitches him tomorrow and then in Game 2 on 3 days rest.  He won't do that so it shouldn't make a difference.

To me this speaks to the level of condfidence Tony has in the starting rotation.  If Tony felt at all good about his rotation, he'd go w/ Carp tomorrow.  He knows that, in order to compete in the playoffs, Carp must pitch twice, which means he goes in Game 1.  If Carp goes tomorrow, it's Marquis, or Reyes, or Weaver on short rest in Game 1 -- no great options.  It's probably worth the gamble.

by chuckb on Sep 30, 2006 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm rethinking my position!
If LaDunca agrees with me, I MUST be wrong
I'd like to see the herd that you and Jake could gather. Herd of whores ... maybe.". Woodrow F. Call

by ITouchedMcGee on Sep 30, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

But wait
let's say that the Cardinals lose and Astros win...wouldn't that mean that they have to play Tuesday if the Cardinals win Monday?

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

actually no
they would play tuesday if the cards lost on monday....they assured that by winning today.

by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 30, 2006 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK
I get it now. If the Cards lose tomorrow/Astros win...

Cards 83-78
Astros 83-79

Cards win on Monday...

Cards 84-78
Astros 83-79

My gosh, Spiezio was HUGE today.

by ryanisforever on Sep 30, 2006 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.
The Cards have to win 1 of the next 3 games or the Astros have to lose 1 of the next 2.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to think that
the odds are against both Smoltz and Carpenter losing tomorrow...
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Sep 30, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

i would suppose
you all can continue to comment below, rather then posting an overflow thread..
back blogging..kinda.. Future Redbirds

by erik on Sep 30, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Oswalt Tomorrow
Just in on XM radio..... Garner just said that Oswalt will go on 2 days rest with Clemens able to throw 2-3 innings being that it is his normal throwing between starts...........

Garner is the new Dusty

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow. Two days rest. Once he's done pitching
Garner should do an unorthodox double switch and have him catch a few innings.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2006 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

not kidding
No I am not..... he said something like if he could get 4 from Oswalt, then 2-3 from Clemens then he would hand the rest of the game to the bullpen.... also stated the only pitcher that was not available would be Pettite.......the man is nuts..... talk about disrespecting the rest of your staff....

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And
who pitches on Tues (god forbid)? Petite on 2 days?

I guess we wouldn't have any good options either...

I might consider pitching a Thompson/Hancock/Sosa game monday (again, god forbid) and hold reyes for tues

by cardsfaninmass on Sep 30, 2006 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carpenter Scenarios
Our first playoff game would be Wednesday......2nd would be Thursday and 3rd is Saturday......4th is Sunday and 5th would be Monday....

If Carp pitches tomorrow he could pitch game 2 on three days rest, then game 5 also on three days rest......

If Carp pitches Monday then he would go on Saturday with full rest but it would be his only start in the NLDS

If we wait and pitch him Tuesday if need be..... He would be available Sunday, again, his only start in the NLDS.... Saturday possibly if we needed him but on three days rest.....

Again, NONE of this means anything if we dont win one of the next three games.... but just being optimistic.....I honestly believe it doesn't matter what we do tomorrow, I have all faith in the world in Smoltzy's last start of the year at home......

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not for
exhausting Carp multiple times.  

by sdrone on Sep 30, 2006 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed
He already is exhausted (see last two starts)

by cardsfaninmass on Sep 30, 2006 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say
I say go ahead and throw Carpenter tomorrow.... He is our Cy Young aways winner for Heaven's Sake..... we should trust him against anyone..... if we need someone.... let Thompson go on Monday..... We already know Bonds and Alou arent playing on Monday if it got that far.....

Also.... then we have Weaver and Soup on Tuesday.... Soup on two days rest..... but I trust his arm bouncing back more than anyone... except maybe that bad man we would rather not talk about.....

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Reyes
Reyes too... though I am not sure if Tony will put him in that situation... it awaits to be seen...

by stlcardi70 on Sep 30, 2006 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but where is the 'Ace in the Hole'?
If Carp loses tomorrow thanks maybe to some late bullpen blunders or some such (maybe we only score 1 run), we've used our best pitcher in only the SECOND most important game of the season (maybe some would say the third).  The most important games are Monday against SF or Tuesday against Houston.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 1, 2006 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whats
Whats the point of making the Playoffs if you dont have a real chance of winning?

Carpenter pitching twice is are best legitmate chance of winning the series. I am not sure what you guys want but I still want a World Series. It is not realistic but crazier stuff has happened.

Carpenter is our best chance. We will be playing against in a short series with him going twice. Anything is possible.

by DimitroffVodka on Sep 30, 2006 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

in a nutshell
Lots of confusion in the thread, so here it is in a nutshell:

If Cards win OR Houston loses Sunday, we win Central.  If StL loses and Hou wins Sun, StL plays SF at StL 2:10 on Monday.  Win and we are Central Champs.  Lose, and we play a one-game playoff with Houston on Tuesday, winner takes the Central.

Central winner, ie, the Cards!!, plays the winner of the West.  If EITHER SD wins or LA loses Sunday, SD wins the West and we open in SD on Tues (Wed if we have to stomp Houston in a playoff).  If LA wins tomorrow AND SD loses, LA will sh*t their pants because we open their on Tuesday (or Wed, see above) where we have NOT lost and WILL NOT LOSE in 2006.

So come on LA!  Bring it on!  You are TOAST!!!

ps;  Clemens and Petite "juiced" and Pedro out for the playoffs.  I think things are breaking the Redbirds' way!!!

I'd like to see the herd that you and Jake could gather. Herd of whores ... maybe.". Woodrow F. Call

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 1, 2006 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Grimsley
I ntoiced they did not mention Milfield(however you spell it) and threw in another trainers name this time...No PUjols...its funny all those big names and them DAVID SEGUI???

I am glad Pujols was not drug under the bus this time, but you have to feel sorry for those whose names are mentioned and are innocent...Pujols and his trainer were tainted for a bit under pure speculation...nothing ever came of it....Its funny though the feds get stuff around the Playoffs or beggining of the season..HMM

by punchinjudy on Oct 1, 2006 1:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I really feel bad for Andy Pettitte...
...I never would have guessed him to be on the stuff.  Clemens seems like a no brainer, Tejada just seems to always have something swirling around him but not Andy.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 1, 2006 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya but it makes
his recent injuries look real bad now...but again i hate to throw anyone under the bus I hated it when they did to Pujols...even though hes been that size ahwile..its nto like he balooned like bonds...

by punchinjudy on Oct 1, 2006 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am just lazy...
and don't want to look it up, but it "seems" we have played a TON more games at the shi...excuse me, Juice Box than they have played at Busch..no?

I read Houston fans were calling STL fans "tools" for doing the Atlanta chomp the other night.  Which I guess is fine.

At the same time....

How about you Houston fans drop that bzzzzzzzzzzz deal y'all got going on dar.  Git er over with already Jim Bob.

Seriously, that killer B bzzzzz was cool....like 10 years ago.    

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 1, 2006 2:00 AM EDT reply actions  

not surprised if they guilty
clemens seemed too good to be true, just fits if he cheated.

pettite alarmingly is like many pitchers who lost 3-4 mph on their fastballs mysteriously(clean now prolly not a few years back)

i bet for every hitter that took em a pitcher did too. lance armstrong almost certainly took em as well to win those french bike races...

we used to make fun of germans/koreans/russians for taking drugs in olympics, we are 10000 times worse. our guys are dirty dirty dirty and it sucks.

by 2ndprize on Oct 1, 2006 2:26 AM EDT reply actions  

no way
TLR uses Carp Sun, or Mon.  Doesn't matter who goes Thompsons, Reyes, Narvie, Sosa, or all of the above.

They are floating an idea on Bernie's thread to start the bullpen for 3 or 4, wait and see how Stros do, if its tight or Stros ahead then bring in Carp.  THE dumbest idea ever.  So is starting Carp and pulling him if Atl jumps on Houston.  

If Carp warms up, he's done until Game 3 at the earliest, and only pitches once in LDS.  Doesn't matter how long he goes.

No way we lose three in a row.  (Can't believe I just said that!). Ice Carp for Game 1.  Let Pujols pitch on Sunday, God knows he can do everything else.  He'll have to go Southpaw, of corse, can risk an injury to the right side.  Shouldn't slow him up any.

b/t/w:  everybody KNOWS Pujo never took Human Growth Hormone.  If anything, he took Human Reverse Growth Hormone.  How else can he explain backing up 5 birthdays when he moved north to KC?

Just kidding!!!!  Cork those flamethrowers!

I'd like to see the herd that you and Jake could gather. Herd of whores ... maybe.". Woodrow F. Call

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 1, 2006 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

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