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oh, for the days when we merely complained about how many baserunners isringhausen gave up before he finally closed out the game. since his injury, the cardinal relievers have gone 0-6 with 0 saves. their aggregate line:
| ip | h | w | so | hr | w-l | era | whip |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 46 | 55 | 14 | 35 | 8 | 0-6 | 5.48 | 1.50 |
kind of ironic that as all this is going on, trevor hoffman breaks the all-time record in saves, eh?
the cardinals finish the year with a 34-47 road record, their worst since 1997. they remain well positioned to win the division despite the whitewashing in houston; even if they get swept by the padres and achieve their third 8-game losing streak of the season, they will still be in first -- no matter what houston does. and if st louis should go winless for the rest of the season? even then, i'm not sure houston would catch up. and the cards won't go winless; more likely they'll will win one vs the pads and two or three vs the brewers, and that ought to take care of the "race." but suppose they really do blow this division -- would it really be so awful? it would be awful if a team that had a real shot to win a championship were to piss that chance away in 10 days of bad baseball. it would be awful if a fan base that had developed a sense of admiration for its team were forced to watch their beloved boys self-destruct. but neither of those things applies in this case. the cardinals don't have a good shot to win their 1st playoff series, much less the whole tournament; and we fans have been more aggravated by than admiring of this year's cardinal team. so while i'd rather see the cardinals win the division than not, a full-blown choke wouldn't make the top 5 -- maybe not even the top 10 -- on the list of my greatest disappointments as a fan.
and it most certainly would not rank up there with the 1964 phillies, whose spirit has been invoked with increasing frequency after each successive loss in houston. the '64 phils were a .600 team -- 90 wins, 60 losses -- when they commenced to gagging up the season; they hadn't lost more than 4 in a row all year until their infamous 10-game losing streak in late september. the phils flushed 5 1/2 months of excellence down the crapper in less than two weeks, whereas the 2006 cardinals' run of excellence lasted no more than 2 months; their last few drops of that quality swirled down the drain sometime in early august, i reckon. the '64 phillies were a good team who suddenly, shockingly turned into a bad one the last two weeks of the year. but if the '06 cardinals blow the lead, it'll come not as a shock but rather as a confirmation of something we've known all along -- they're just not a very good team.
changing gears -- la russa called out edmonds in the paper today:
the same article says anthony reyes will pitch on wednesday. that would put him in line to pitch monday's makeup game, if the game is necessary to get the cards into the playoffs. . . . almost makes you hope they have to play the game, just to see if la russa would dare pitch the kid. it's even possible the cards would have to play that game not to clinch a playoff spot but rather to force a tie -- ie, they wind up half a game behind on sunday, and need to win monday just to force a one-game playoff for the division. anybody know if such a game -- ie, a tuesday playoff following the monday makeup game -- would be a home game?
if it were to come to that, jason marquis would be on turn . . . . . and in any other season, that might loom as a nightmare scenario. but in 2006? it would only be fitting for reyes and marquis to pitch the last two, do-or-die regular season games.
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Thank you...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 25, 2006 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
by Big Red on Sep 25, 2006 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
by cardsrul on Sep 25, 2006 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
" anybody know if such a game -- ie, a tuesday playoff following the monday makeup game -- would be a home game?"
Of course the San Fran game would be a home game...they were in St. Lou when it got rained out. Would only make sense that that game be played at home...
Plus, no one will know if we need to play San Fran until after the last game.
by Big Red on Sep 25, 2006 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define Irony....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 25, 2006 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Slightly Irksome Relations?
I guess I'd bench him too. Toss out that uncharacteristic two-game explosion against the Giants in lopsided games, and Scott has posted a Sept. mark of .148 / 2rbi. Watch him hit, and you'll observe what's been described as a "slow bat" (a phrase I remember Tony using more than once). His 1st Half/2nd Half breakdown is about as lopsided as can be (.330/.250). The numbers point to a player running on fumes.
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 25, 2006 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tavarez? CG? WTF?
by tudor rooter on Sep 25, 2006 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tavarez
by madridbend on Sep 25, 2006 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wwo
by sdrone on Sep 25, 2006 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be fooled....
by Timbo02 on Sep 25, 2006 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.......
by Timbo02 on Sep 25, 2006 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also
by dontEATnachos on Sep 25, 2006 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
That sucks.
by sdrone on Sep 25, 2006 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Edmonds
But Woody Williams is scheduled to go tomorrow and I expect that Edmonds will start, even if he doesn't feel 100% ready. If he has even modest success in the next week you can bank on him being on a playoff roster--assuming there is a playoff roster--regardless of the season-long pissing match with our manager.
My gut tells me he'll start tomorrow, but I have no idea what to expect.
by meat on Sep 25, 2006 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any good bullpen arms available this offseason?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 25, 2006 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
by fuegophil on Sep 25, 2006 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 25, 2006 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
List
FA's after this season, sorted by position.
There's a TON of "name" LHRP's out there, though I'm not intimately familiar enough with the results they've gotten to endorse any of them.
IMO, Tyler Johnson should absolutely be kept as a part of the mix next season. He is exactly the kind of yungin' that should be given every chance to develop. It's not his fault that Rincon exploded and he was thrust into the spotlight. I think he's acquitted himself fairly well, all things considered.
Looking at the list of FA's from the right side, there's also a ton of guys who'll be available. Too many to name; it's a stupidly long list.
by meat on Sep 25, 2006 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why hasn't Thompson?
by DimitroffVodka on Sep 25, 2006 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder
by lboros on Sep 25, 2006 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, he won some points with TLR and DD
by steve in georgia on Sep 25, 2006 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dan patrick arguing for pujo
just an fyi to you all...
by busch league on Sep 25, 2006 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time
and yes...i spend 3 hours of my work day listening to the radio. good stuff.
by busch league on Sep 25, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's nice of him
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 25, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on
by beanocook on Sep 25, 2006 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They absolutely did
Olberman went as far as to use this information on his MSNBC twice, calling in experts on the use of HGH and the inability to hide it.
His exact words were "In this post-steroids era, so to speak, Albert Pujols was heralded as the future of the league, a "clean" player putting up historic numbers....<pause> OOPS! In the latest revelations in this on-going baseball steroids saga..." so forth and so on.
Olberman and Patrick made it very clear that Milhfeld's name was on the document and also overtly implied this meant Pujols was far from clean.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 25, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, lot of typos there. Let's try it again...
Olberman went as far as to use this information on his MSNBC show twice, calling in experts on the use of HGH and the ability of atheletes to hide it. He then trotted out quotes from Pujols that implied Pujols went to Milhfeld to get better almost the day after the season, when shown along side the 'revelation' gave the implication that Pujols was so driven to be the best that who knows what he would do.
His exact words were "In this post-steroids era, so to speak, Albert Pujols was heralded as the future of the league, a "clean" player putting up historic numbers....<pause> OOPS! In the latest revelations in this on-going baseball steroids saga..." so forth and so on.
Olberman and Patrick made it very clear that Milhfeld's name was on the document and also overtly implied this meant Pujols was far from clean.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 25, 2006 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait now
Lets not put words in guys mouths. There WAS a link between Albert and Milfeld. Again, this is NOT the same as saying for three straight days that Albert used roids.
by beanocook on Sep 25, 2006 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
so there was nothing ever said about pujols being dirty. i didn't even get the implication. i thought they were very careful when talking about the link.
by busch league on Sep 25, 2006 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Olbermann said
Now, Olbermann is just about creating controversy these days, not actually reporting things.....
by sdrone on Sep 25, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they certainly did
by chuckb on Sep 25, 2006 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Llboros - clarification
I can't imagine such a sentiment. Sure, we are sucking pretty hard right now to use some loose language, but I know that when I wake up the morning after our final game this season, there will be a huge hole in my life. They only thing that I can imagine that would cushion that blow is a WS title.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 25, 2006 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Slow day at work?
by guayzimi on Sep 25, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardcore
- My inlaws live in Houston..never live that down
- my brothers are cub fans...never live it down
by punchinjudy on Sep 25, 2006 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't insulting him
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 25, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you read me correctly hardcore
by lboros on Sep 25, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
Thanks for clearing it up.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 25, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're disappointed in me?
how old are you, anyway?
by lboros on Sep 25, 2006 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Point
by Toddius396 on Sep 25, 2006 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never said i did not care
you're all free to feel differently. you're even free to judge me, if you must.
by lboros on Sep 25, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointment...
Thus, I'll be annoyed and a bit unhappy for a few hours after they lose their last game, but in no way will it compare to the 2004 WS in the degree of disappointment I experience. As with my current expectations, I had pretty realistic expectations then, and they disappointed big time.
I have to agree with LB here - this lost season isn't very high on the list of disappointments I've experienced at the hands of this team. I'm actually looking forward to the off-season discussion and the rebuilding of a winning roster - I'm kinda getting tired of complaining about how bad things are right now.
by lawman3842 on Sep 25, 2006 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Do I hope they pull it all together and get hot for a couple weeks and make a magical run? You bet, and I will be watching the games for that very reason. But it will be a very pleasant surprise if they actually do it.
by blove121 on Sep 25, 2006 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say you were insulting anybody...
The thing is, it's easy to have a love-hate relationship with a maddening, inconsistent sports team like the '06 Cards. There's a lot of emotional ups and downs... If a fan momentarily loses faith or makes some ill-advised utterance - and I'm not saying the guy is guilty of doing either of these things - he shouldn't be called out and made to account for his actions...
Having said that, I realize you were just trying stir things up a bit, which is generally a good thing...
by guayzimi on Sep 25, 2006 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the OP (emphasis added)
so while i'd rather see the cardinals win the division than not, a full-blown choke wouldn't make the top 5 -- maybe not even the top 10 -- on the list of my greatest disappointments as a fan.
by Valatan on Sep 25, 2006 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell,
by sdesserman on Sep 25, 2006 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just want to go on the record
by chuckb on Sep 25, 2006 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um i dont think
Can any of us tolerate hearing from cub fans or Stros fans that they gave th edivision away?
by punchinjudy on Sep 25, 2006 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hardcore on more thing
by punchinjudy on Sep 25, 2006 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can I get a copy
by Zubin on Sep 25, 2006 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot me your email address...
by ArachNerd on Sep 26, 2006 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one-game playoff
So I guess it remains to be seen.
by mikeoat on Sep 25, 2006 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Comparison to '64
Personnaly I just couldn't stand the stigma to my beloved Cardinals.
by Zubin on Sep 25, 2006 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not monumental
Has their steady sucking since facing the White Sox in June makes this seem more inevitable than a great collapse.
Like Lboros says, sure I'd rather see my team in the postseason than not (how many teams with multiple 8-game losing streaks have won the World Series? That would be sweet.) but I don't think it will be viewed as a great loss if we don't make it.
I certainly won't be nearly as heartbroken as I was with our performance last year or in '04.
by dontEATnachos on Sep 25, 2006 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be forgotten...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 25, 2006 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of injuries this season..
by Timbo02 on Sep 25, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frustrating as hell
If it wasn't bad enough to see my beloved Cards swept by Houston, having to listen to several hours of ESPN's sycophantic Clemens adoration was almost to much to bear. I was almost beginning to wish Tim McCarver and Hawk Harrellson would invade the broadcast booth and take over the play-by-play.
Of course, the night wouldn't be complete without a blown call by the ridiculously incompetent Angel Hernandez (anybody else hear that this guy moonlights as a replay official for the PAC-10?). I'll grant that we would likely have lost anyway, as the bullpen still had two innings left to pitch, but him boning us surely didn't help matters. I cringe every time I see him or Cuzzi anywhere near a Cards game...
And the icing on the cake? After Ausmus drove in his two runs, I swear my 3 year old son said "Fuck"...right in front of his mother of course...
Oh well, surely tonight will be better...
Won't it?
by iron duke75 on Sep 25, 2006 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Angel Hernandez has got to be....
by Cards67 on Sep 25, 2006 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more bad umps
by blove121 on Sep 25, 2006 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brother the umpire...
I always call Sam (my brother) when I see a questionable call and wonder about the rules. Joe Morgan had it partially right - which is more than he usually knows about the rules - when he said that Biggio makes his own path to the base. Biggio does have the discretion to run to the base along his own path; however, at the moment the tag is to be applied, the runner has a three-foot lane in which he may move either direction to avoid the tag; any further and he's called out for being out of the baseline. Sam indicated that because it was debatable when "the tag was to be applied" in that play, it was a "tweener" - a call that could go either way.
Hernandez's worst fault in that play was not missing the out-of-the-baseline call, but rather not being in position to see the tag - the footage made it look awfully close on the question of whether Belliard applied a tag, but the umpire's view was blocked by the runner - that's horrible positioning. The umpire is to be in a position to see a tag and/or a force play at the bag.
As the umpire couldn't see whether a tag was made or not, and as the baseline issue was so very close, Sam would've called the runner out as that was more probably the correct call.
Sam's response to the questionable strike zone (i.e., ball three to Ausmus being over the plate, but two called strikes on Rolen being 6 inches inside and three inches high)? You can't argue balls and strikes...
by lawman3842 on Sep 25, 2006 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks ...
by Timbo02 on Sep 25, 2006 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry to remain negative
by BleacherBum on Sep 25, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards win tonight...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 25, 2006 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no...
by lawman3842 on Sep 25, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 25, 2006 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
by lawman3842 on Sep 25, 2006 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be honest
To get back to what I said Saturday night, they always play better after an 8 game losing streak. Putting us in a perfect position to be on the up-swing of play. Right into the playoffs.
It's brilliant!
by dontEATnachos on Sep 25, 2006 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel
by Edmonds is baseball on Sep 25, 2006 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hernandez....
by Timbo02 on Sep 25, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was close
that was a tough call, and we had 3 close ones all go against us in a very short fashion last night. I think they got 2 out of 3 right, but they all went against us. Biggio was close to being out at 1st that would have made the missed DP irrelevant. And we had a guy called just out @ 1st in the previous inning that could have led to a crooked #.
by chuckb on Sep 25, 2006 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for those of us who
2. The argument about Oberman and DP made me realize this...man nothinc came of that supposed article identifying Milfeld, and nothing has come of the whole Jason Grimsley thing either
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