Game 151 Open Thread: September 21, 2006

carpenter pettitte
15-6, 2.79 13-13, 4.37
hey, it's the 1st day of autumn. i love autumn -- but summer's always too short. . . . .
a few days ago my compadre jim mclennan, who writes for SB Nation brother site AZ Snake Pit, invited me to do a joint post about the two major contenders for the nl cy young award --- az's webb vs stl's carpenter. since both guys are pitching tonight (webb faces the padres and woody williams), we decided to run the posts this afternoon. so here we go: jim's post first, then mine.
jim's brief for brandon webb
Chris Carpenter is a good starting pitcher: no question there, any team would love to have him. But the NL's best? No. Even putting home-team bias aside, I believe Webb is the superior arm: Carpenter's statistics are skewed by a combination of factors, including his home ballpark and woeful quality of opposition.
Yes, Carpenter's ERA is marginally better. But he has pitched fewer innings, and as Webb gets an extra start down the stretch, that gap will likely widen. This must be taken into account (otherwise, this year's winner is Matt Smith of the Phillies: 6.1 IP, 0 ER). On a per-start basis, Webb has lasted longer, going deeper into games than Carpenter; with each man having 30 outings, he has more complete games and quality starts than Carpenter. We should also note that in defense-independent ERA, Webb is ahead, 3.29 to 3.40. Simply put, he's been less "lucky" than Carpenter, as far as what happens when hitters put balls in play: give them the same players behind them, and Webb is superior.
Another huge difference is the parks in which they pitch half their games. In 2006, Chase Field has been insanely hitter-friendly. It has the 3rd-highest park factor in baseball; Busch Stadium, in contrast, ranks 24th. And Carpenter is truly a "Busch baby". Away from home, he struggles: ERA *triples*, from 1.46 to 4.52, with no complete games, and only 5 quality starts out of 14 on the road. In contrast, Webb's road ERA is a very respectable 3.35, more than a run better.
Then there's the quality of the opponents each has faced. The NL Central is the worst division in baseball this year: only St. Louis is above .500, and overall, the division is 64 games below. Going 5-1 with a 1.77 ERA in eight games against the Cubs and Pirates - the worst teams in the league - pads Carpenter's statistics significantly, and proves very little. Amazingly, only *two* of his thirty starts have been against teams with a record currently better than .500*, and he got whacked around for eleven earned runs in twelve innings by them. In contrast, Thursday's start will be the twelfth time Webb has pitched against .500-plus opposition this year.
Despite this, Webb still has more wins than Carpenter: yes, a meaningless statistic, but pitching is all about keeping the opposition down, and giving your team the opportunity to win. No pitcher has been better than Brandon Webb at that this year, and combined with the factors discussed above, that's why he's the most worthy winner of the 2006 National League Cy Young award. Webb was already the victim of one robbery, when the 2004 Rookie of the Year went to Dontrelle Willis; hopefully, this year he'll get his just rewards and be acknowledged as the best, rather than someone who's, at best, average on the road, and hasn't proved his mettle against decent teams.
larry's brief for chris carpenter
there remain only two serious candidates for the nl cy young award: carpenter and webb. it's a pretty close call, and either one would make a deserving honoree. but if the award is supposed to honor the league's "best" pitcher then carpenter should get it, for this reason: he's demonstrably the nl's "best" by a broad range of yardsticks. here are the categories in which carpenter and webb rank 1st among all nl pitchers:
that's 13.5 bests for carpenter, 3.5 for webb (they're tied for the lead in shutouts). note how disparate are the measurements by which carpenter outdoes all comers. doesn't matter whether you judge via raw stats (era, whip, shutouts, opp OPS, etc etc), advanced sabermetrics (VORP, win shares, SNLVAR), or gadgety tools (avg game score, pitching runs created) --- carpenter keeps coming out at the top of the heap. last season, when he won the cy in a much tougher field, carpenter didn't lead the league in anything -- he simply excelled across the board, ranking near the top in all the important categories. he has improved upon that broad-based superiority this season, hogging the lead on so many lists that there aren't many left for his competitors to fight over.
moreover, in nearly every category where neither webb nor carpenter leads the league, carpenter ranks ahead of webb. in strikeouts, carpenter's 7th in the league (173), webb 13th (163); in k/bb ratio, carp ranks 2d (4.22), webb 7th (3.47); in opponents' batting average, carpenter is 4th (.226), webb 11th (.248).
admittedly, carp and webb are close enough in a lot of these categories that the balance could shift over the last two or three starts. webb has a very real chance of catching or overtaking carpenter in perhaps half a dozen categories; if he does, his case for the award will improve substantially. but by the same token, carpenter might well flag down webb in all three of the categories in which webb holds an outright advantage (wins, cg, and FIP), which would seem to erase any doubt.
if carpenter's candidacy has a weakness, it's the home-road split jim alluded to. but once you start parsing data, all sorts of interpretations become possible. the split that jumps out at me is not the home-road but rather the month-by-month:
| carp | month | webb |
|---|---|---|
| 1.80 | apr | 2.22 |
| 3.96 | may | 1.80 |
| 3.27 | jun | 5.08 |
| 3.12 | jul | 2.45 |
| 3.08 | aug | 5.01 |
| 1.78 | sep | 2.13 |
whereas carpenter has been consistently good, webb has been periodically shaky -- and his cold spells have hurt his team. in june the dbacks lost all 5 of webb's starts as they tumbled from first to last in the nl west. in august, when webb again faltered, the dbacks fell from 1 game back in both the divisional and wild-card races to complete noncontention. webb pitched his worst games when his team needed him most.
carpenter has done just the opposite, singlehandedly holding the disintegrating cardinal rotation together -- the very definition of an ace pitcher. nothing speaks to that quality more than carpenter's mlb-leading total in (pitchers only) win expectancy added: he has contributed to team wins more profusely than any pitcher in baseball. for that alone, he merits strong consideration for the award; the rest of carpenter's bests merely confirm his place at the head of the class.
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Great breakdown lboros...
Nice job!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2006 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I often experience that here
Thanks a lot Larry...
And great post by the way... :-D
by iron duke75 on Sep 21, 2006 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
Anyway, nice post, LB - I like Carp's chances more than ever.
by lawman3842 on Sep 21, 2006 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job lboros
by stlnd on Sep 21, 2006 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
by PGeorge on Sep 21, 2006 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webb
by levistahl on Sep 21, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp
Carp has to be the winner. I don't know the stats, but I'd be very surprised if Webb had eight no decisions where he gave up one run or less. And I think your point about what kind of a staff ace Carp has been (a true stopper) is very valid, Larry. Love the work. Thanks.
by Pokey Joe on Sep 21, 2006 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't a franchise pitcher
by fuegophil on Sep 21, 2006 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to see....
by SHUCardinal on Sep 21, 2006 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice breakdown, man
One thing that was nice, though, was some capitalization.
by BigdJC on Sep 21, 2006 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I couldn't help but laugh at how ugly it was.
They actually have one for almost every team though. I think some of the other ones actually manage to look worse (like Detroit's).
by dontEATnachos on Sep 21, 2006 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugly?
by iron duke75 on Sep 21, 2006 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I was just in a bad mood
by dontEATnachos on Sep 21, 2006 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd do it
by iron duke75 on Sep 21, 2006 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading the argument for Webb...
by guayzimi on Sep 21, 2006 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lineups for tonight...
Wilson, RF
Spezio, LF
Pujols, 1B
Encarnacion, CF
Rolen, 3B
Belliard, 2B
Molina, C
Miles, SS
Carpenter, P
HOU:
Biggio, 2B
Lamb, 3B
Berkman, 1B
Scott, LF
Huff, RF
Burke, CF
Everett, SS
Ausmus, C
Pettite, P
by lawman3842 on Sep 21, 2006 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me likey this line up
I'm betting that the announcers will say Crawford Boxes this many times:
Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes Crawford Boxes
And by the end of the night I will want to die.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not of fan
by tdawg on Sep 21, 2006 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have struggled mightily against Pettite
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First time
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
um
by dontEATnachos on Sep 21, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
by dontEATnachos on Sep 21, 2006 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy birthday Speezer
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For all intents and purposes
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking good, Carp...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was 3 birthdays ago when the Cards...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 21, 2006 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man...
great AB, tho.
by kindred on Sep 21, 2006 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great hitting.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can pitch AND hit!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SPEEZ!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Juan...
by _pistol_ on Sep 21, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You just have to accept that Juan is
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could somebody describe the E4?
by nota bene on Sep 21, 2006 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shoulda been e1
by sdesserman on Sep 21, 2006 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate first-pitch swinging
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially
by Intheway on Sep 21, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y-Mo has a good AB going here
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why does yadi
by sdesserman on Sep 21, 2006 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ummm
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we can't create our own runs
by sdesserman on Sep 21, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Andy...
by kindred on Sep 21, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did miles just lay down a sacrifice
by jojo5492 on Sep 21, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he was
by iron duke75 on Sep 21, 2006 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he must have
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-0
by nota bene on Sep 21, 2006 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate that load Berkman
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLBTV
my credibility as a fan is dwindling
by elhombrestlcards05 on Sep 21, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mine has been down for a couple of days...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 21, 2006 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucking Berkman
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fat Elvis
Carp recovers nicely, though.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bugger...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't a cheapie though...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1st and 3rd baby
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, Albert
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone say
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this looks promising
by nota bene on Sep 21, 2006 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
injury delay...
by martin on Sep 21, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pettitte
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2006 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
phooey on the Boxes
by nota bene on Sep 21, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Inches...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
speizio
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Take that bitches!!!!!!!!
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon Juan
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Long single
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HA
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf Juan
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
belated
Larry, I'd add one more set of numbers to your case. Before tonight's game, Webb had allowed 9 unearned runs, Carp only 5. Adding those runs to their ERAs to get their RAs:
Webb: 3.29
Carp: 3.01
by DCGreg on Sep 21, 2006 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Juan'cion
Not good.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm listening on xm radio..
by _pistol_ on Sep 21, 2006 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he is awful
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been done since before he...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 21, 2006 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q about XM
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you get the home team broadcast
by kemime on Sep 21, 2006 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this has gotta be it for pettitte
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izzy
It went well from the standpoint that they did not find it so bad that they'd have to "cap" the ball in the hip ... if they had to do that, he'd be done... but they were able to clean it up in a way that will allow him to try to pitch next season.
--B
-------
Not totally clear whether they had to shave off some of the bone -- that, I gather, would likely determine whether he'd be ready at the start of the season or sometime later. Anyone got any more info?
by DCGreg on Sep 21, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carp
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good lord Carp...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh. Carp. :(
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$99.99
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's 2
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Biggio needed 80 hits...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 21, 2006 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is why we need home-field advantage.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's our leadoff hitter...
by DCGreg on Sep 21, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
could carp look much worse tonight?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ask and ye shall receive
- 5.79 (14 IP) (pre-tonight)
- 1.13 (24 IP)
2004: 0.00 (8 IP)
So it's a new phenomenon.
by DCGreg on Sep 21, 2006 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hung a curveball
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and another there
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
berkman is a beast...
I'm sure houston fans say the same about Pujols.
by jdubya on Sep 21, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp screaming profanity
by sgfcards on Sep 21, 2006 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard it too!
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can anyone put it on youtube?
by Elle on Sep 21, 2006 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that!
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to get
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to chime in
It stunk. The end.
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon Al
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone tell me.......
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another shitty offensive inning
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice at bat
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carp out for the 7th?
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see him going 8
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets through the 7th under 92 pitches....
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 21, 2006 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we can hold the lead
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disagreeing with you, but
Of course, knowing TLR's penchant for using vets, I'd say that's a pretty good bet.
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice inning, Carp!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice inning
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
7 ip and 89 pitches thrown
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're thinking like Tony!
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good test for Adam...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the phils
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They better enjoy it now
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like Carp has had some pretty
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather see the bullpen right now...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who's warming?
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Flores is up!
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or rather
<ducks and covers>
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that Papi
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call...
They should make a fat all-star team.
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should actually put
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Clemens
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this game just doesnt feel good.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
super pitch
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my!
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walk him walk him walk him
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guhhhh.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bigtime K
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walk him walk him walk him
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK or K him
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate this team...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berkman
He shoulda seen the end of that inning from first base.
by levistahl on Sep 21, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why o why
by erik on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT DID I SAY
by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No more cy young...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there's yer game.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. Ugh. That feels like....
Why in the hell didn't we walk him?
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap on a crap cracker
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF!!!!!
by Big Red on Sep 21, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Scott pops out
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
by Mr Redbird on Sep 21, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony! What does it take?!
Unbelievable!
by jdubya on Sep 21, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Brownale on Sep 21, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ABSTL.....
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was too.......just wondering if someone knew
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 21, 2006 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where's the lefty?
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
told ya
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
by ryanisforever on Sep 21, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're going to lose in the first round.
by SirVLCIV on Sep 21, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we don't melt down and pull a 64 phillies...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 21, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not taking any chances with Lidge
Aauuugh, that hurts. I hate Berkman. I really, really do.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gah
He goes cutter off the plate in, cutter in ball, cutter in strike. Set up perfectly for the next 2 seamer<---GREAT pitch. Misses with cutter in, then Twinkle Toes fouls off curve. Set up beautifully for another 2 seamer running back over the plate...instead cutter deposited into the seats.
Showed it to him 4 times in the at-bat prior to 3-2, he's not going to get himself out on it. Had to come either 2 or 4 low and away (but can't because of the fucking Crawford boxes, pardon my French...the stadium still screws us) or 2 seam running back over the plate.
Dumb dumb dumb.
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this guy
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how many
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to cry.
This one hurts like hell.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What was
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by ANDYAK47 on Sep 21, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They beat our best pitcher...
by craig3410 on Sep 21, 2006 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we had a lefty
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck me!
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget 1 run
by Mr Redbird on Sep 22, 2006 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Tony "I'm a F'in Genius Just....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 21, 2006 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna take me a while to recover
G'night, y'all....
Poor Carp. Poor team. Poor us. No. Reason. To. Pitch To. Fat Elvis. There.
And sadly, it already doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 21, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 21, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unlike most
But i cannot understand or justify pitching to berkman there. Carp's responsible too b/c he's got to know not to lay a fat one over the plate in that situation. But Tony had to know that Carp was tiring. We needed 1 out, not 3. Berkman already had a double and a homer off of Carp, was seeing the ball really well. There is no explanation -- the one about not putting the go ahead run on base -- b.s. the go ahead run was already in scoring position b/c he was in the batter's box! the astros would've been stupid to pitch to pujols in that situation and we were stupid to pitch to berkman there. no excuse, bad managing, bad pitching!
by chuckb on Sep 21, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wheew...a hilarious premiere of the Office later
THERE IS HOPE!
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