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Game 134 Open Thread: September 2, 2006


weaver             chacon
5-13, 6.16        6-5, 7.18

with another 10 decisions, chris carpenter will be eligible for inclusion on the cardinals' all-time leaderboards at baseball reference dot com. the minimum requirements are 500 ip (carpenter has thrown more than 600 innings for the franchise) and 75 decisions; carp has 65 decisions for st louis. so he's almost there. let's just cheat a little and see how he rates.

to begin with, here are carp's cumulative stats in his three years with the cardinals:

w-l era w pct ip h w k whip h/9 k/9 w/9 k/bb
49-16 3.03 .754 609 526 124 516 1.051 7.8 7.6 1.8 4.2

carp already has nudged his way into the top 50 in several of the counting-stat categories --- he's not listed yet, because baseball ref doesn't update the pages until after each season, but you can see where he falls. for example, carp has just latched onto the tail end of the wins list --- he's tied for 49th place with willie sudhoff. and he's 34th in strikeouts, with a realistic chance to pass lindy mcdaniel, donovan osborne, and jack andujar before the season ends and reach 31st place.

but it's in the rate stats that carpenter excels. if we extend all his current averages for another 10 decisions--- an unrealistic leap, perhaps, but just go with it --- he'll be at or near the top in the following categories:

  • winning percentage: carp comes in 1st at .754, nearly 50 points ahead of the incumbentleader, john tudor (.705).
  • whip: carp ranks first here too, at 1.051, comfortably ahead of tudor at 1.080.
  • k/9: second, behind todd stottlemyre
  • hits / 9: 6th, right behind tudor
  • walks /9: 6th place --- but 3d among modern (ie, post-19th century) pitchers, behind pete alexander and bob tewksbury.
  • era: at 3.03, carp would rate 24th on this list, three slots behind dizzy dean and five behind bob gibson; two ahead of ol' pete alexander, four ahead of steve carlton. not a bad neighborhood to be in. if we exclude the deadball-era pitchers (ie, pre 1920) carpenter ranks 8th, behind tudor, mort cooper, max lanier, cat brecheen, gibson, bill doak, and dizzy dean.
it hasn't quite been three seasons since he joined the team, so it's a little early to anoint him as the heir to gibson --- but he could be all that, if he strings a few more great seasons together.

ok, so he stacks up extremely well vs his predecessors; how has carpenter done vs his peers? using david pinto's day by day database, i checked carpenter's rank in various stat categories aggregated since 2004, his 1st year with the cards. i imposed a minimum requirement of 450 innings pitched, which condition was met by 77 pitchers. carpenter rated:

  • 1st in winning pct, ahead of johan santana (.743) and zambrano (.698)
  • 3d in wins, behind santana (52) and oswalt (50). randy johnson (48), kenny rogers (47), and jon garland (46) are right behind him.
  • 3d in era, behind clemens (2.41) and santana (2.80). the next three behind carp are zambrano (3.11), ben sheets (3.18), and jake peavy (3.19).
  • 8th in strikeouts, behind santana, johnson, zambrano, jason schmidt, peavy, pedro, and oswalt.
the day-by-day database doesn't calculate whip, so i can't check carp's status there; just eyeballing things, it's pretty clear that santana rates 1st, with carpenter, big unit, smoltz, and pedro rounding out the top 5. in h/9, carpenter falls somewhere behind santana clemens schmidt pedro and zambrano; prob'y about even with big unit.and --- oh yeah --- he may be headed for his 2d straight cy young award. . . .

carp has a good chance to reach 100 wins before the end of the season --- last night's was his 98th. if it happens, he'll become the third stl pitcher to reach that milestone in 2006. i'd like to know if such a coincidence has ever happened on a big-league staff before but wouldn't know where to look.

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Carpenter...
is amazing. I really think, if he can stay healthy for 4-5 more seasons, he'll go down as one of the best Cardinal pitchers of all time.

Also, i'm going to the game tonight. I'm 8-0 this season in games i've went to (I got lucky though, 4 starts by Carpenter, 2 by Marquis, 2 Suppan). This will be my first Weaver game though, he better not break my streak.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 2, 2006 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver
I was at the game on August 2nd.

I'm 0-2 at games this season so maybe you'll have better luck.  He's pitching a lot better though.  With the Mets, we would have won had he IBB'd Delgado most likely

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill James/Rob Neyer
still have him 3rd on their Cy Young predictor. But, he's behind Wagner and Webb.  I doubt a closer or a guy from the NL East will get enough votes for the award.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

He was 4th a week or so ago.  He'd have my vote.

I wonder if the shakiness of the Cardinals will aid his cause in the eyes of the voters?  A rock in a tight race among a shaky staff wins the love of sportswriters.

by RedbirdRay on Sep 2, 2006 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Webb
Webb is with the D-Backs which is in the West.  Unless you referred to Wagner.

I want Carp to win it again but I wouldn't mind if Webb takes it home since he went to my fav. college and is a native of my home state.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, yes
meant the West. I think it's too weak to catch the national attention of voters.

by RedbirdRay on Sep 2, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's up...
with you Kentuckians? You guys are almost another country...

by guayzimi on Sep 2, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I just meant you guys often seem a bit provincial... I mean, how many Missourians on this site are rooting for Howard over Pujols in the MVP race b/c he's from Missouri?

by guayzimi on Sep 2, 2006 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for Carpenter
Carp is obviously my first choice.  My second choice would be Webb.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's ok...
not calling you out or demanding fidelity to the team first and the state second... It's a fine state... I used to go camping in the land between the lakes when I was a kid... Nice place

by guayzimi on Sep 2, 2006 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget...
The Cards had their AAA team here from 1982-1996, give or take a few years.  And that's why I'm a big Cards fan.  And now we have the Reds...

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
It's Texas that's "like a whole 'nother country".  They even say so in their tourism adds.

by punditmoi on Sep 2, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They
both are.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 2, 2006 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elsewhere.
At BP, he's top in the NL in Expected Wins and top in VORP.

He's also tops in PRC and leads all the other candidates considerably in WPA.

by RedbirdRay on Sep 2, 2006 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd put Carp first...
But that's because I'm biased. ;)

Also, Izzy fifth? Are those guys on crack?

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Sep 2, 2006 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That predictor...
doesn't make very good predictions. They've got izzy and Gagne ahead of Clemens in '04, and Rivera ahead of Colon in '05. Clearly it overvalues closers.

Assuming Santana would win if the vote were today, and Wagner certainly would not win (6hrs in 60 innings, WHIP higher than Carp, 5 blown saves), the predictor is 3 for its last 6. Neyer should skip the fancy formula and just write a column periodically on how he thinks the voting would go. It'd be more accurate.

by guayzimi on Sep 2, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe revise the formula
to take blown saves into account?
You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Sep 2, 2006 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is also giving Carp only 5 points....
...for the Cardinals winning the division.  Factor that to 12, and he is in 2nd behind Wagner....with Wagner having no shot of getting the Cy Young.

If Carp can win the ERA Title and stay within 1 or 2 victories of the leaders, I think he HAS to be the frontrunner.

How big do those 9th inning cramps/leaving them loaded in the 8th look from this weekend?  He'd be tied for the most wins to go along with his ERA top billing.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2006 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps more importantly
Webb has faded slightly in the second half and sustained a minor injury. The Cy Young can be a "What have you done for me lately" type award if one player gets hot in the second half as opposed to the first half.

Carp is going to continue to get the publicity going forward while Webb probably won't.

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Sep 2, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More ESPN stats
The espn site also calculates "game scores," which is a way of summarizing how dominating a pitcher is in a game (number of outs, number of innings after the 4th pitched, number of strikeouts, penalties for hits, etc.)  Top games are in the 80s and higher and top pitchers average near 60.  Carpenter's game last night scored 85 I believe.  His game against LA in July was a 90, and among the best this year in the NL.

He's now the league leader in average game scores, just above 60.  See the AGS column on this page (this wraps, but should be clickable):

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching?split=0&league=nl&season=2006&seasonType=2& amp;sort=avgGameScore&type=pitch3&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&coun try=0&hand=a&pos=all

On Carpenter's individual espn page, you can see his game scores game by game:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=3610

by ncgostl on Sep 2, 2006 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another intangible for Webb
I wouldn't mind Webb winning either, especially since he lost his former UK teammate in that plane crash last week. My heart says it would be a nice touch.

But my brain says Carp is a rock for the Cards. If he wins 3-4 more games down the stretch, he's got to be the favorite.

by thats a winner on Sep 2, 2006 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
The fact that he made the start the day after speaks something.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the stats are as statistically similar as
they are for Carp and Webb, it's more a matter of what you prefer than any absolute standard, anyway, right?

by Valatan on Sep 2, 2006 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100 wins
In case anyone forgot: Mulder (sitting at 103), Suppan (104), and with sitting at 98, there's a realistic chance that it will happen.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing to consider...
... when looking at Rob Neyer's Cy Young predictor is the "VB" portion of the formula.

VB = Victory Bonus: A 12-point bonus awarded for leading your team to the division championship (pro-rated based on current standings).

Right now, the formula gives Wagner the full 12 points, because the Mets have pretty much locked up the division.  Webb gets 2 points because the D-backs have only a distant chance at the div.
Carp gets 5 points, because the Cards are leading, but don't look like a lock yet.

If the Cards can hang on to win the division, that should vault Carp into 1st, if his performance the rest of the way is as we'd all expect.

by punditmoi on Sep 2, 2006 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mort Cooper
Is an incredibly awesome old-time baseball name.

Oh, and Chris Carpenter rules, too.

by 26thMan on Sep 2, 2006 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hooray, Carp!
Hooray, Weaver?
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Sep 2, 2006 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Going out tonight so I'm not going to
get to watch the game (first game I will have missed since last Friday - ahhh the tragic life of the college student).  I'll call a shitter from Weaver:

3IP, 7Hits, 6ER, 3BB, 2K

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Sep 2, 2006 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed last night's
and then afterwards, i decided to get MLB tv for the final month.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I've been thinking about doing that...
but what I want to know is this: Does the automatic renewal mean that I pay the price and that includes the rest of this year and all of next year or does it mean that I am only paying for the rest of this year and they will automatically do me the favor of charging me for next year?

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it means
you'll get all season next year charged automatically I believe.  It's around $80 for the whole season.

by dontEATnachos on Sep 2, 2006 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:
they will automatically do you the favor of charging you for next year...

Remember, though, that once Fox starts doing the Saturday games, there's a national blackout from 1:00-7:00 EDT.

by cardsrul on Sep 2, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

question
Is it the home team's TV station that it picks up or do we get the option of choosing?

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

home teams
always I think.

either way, you never get to choose

by PGeorge on Sep 2, 2006 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks
I guess that's one advantage of the radio side of things on MLB.com

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info
When will fox do that? And what will be the situation regarding televising the post season? That blackout would only be on the game that is broadcast though right?

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox
They start Fox Saturday Baseball in early May and I think that the last one may have been the end of August as I couldn't find anything listed today in terms of baseball where I am other than the WGN game at 7.

In terms of post-season play, this is from MLB.com:
National Live Blackout (Post Season): Due to Major League Baseball national exclusivities, during the MLB postseason, if you live within the following nations or territories, webcasts of all postseason games will be blacked out: United States, Canada, Guam, US Virgin Islands, South Korea and Japan.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also...
I'm watching the Orioles game on my pc right now if that helps...

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Rotoworld
A.J. Burnett pitched a three-hitter Saturday in a 5-1 victory over the Red Sox.
Boston only really threatened in the seventh, but Burnett was able to get out of them when Eric Hinske hit into a double play that resulted in the club's only run. Burnett threw 115 pitches, 79 for strikes, on his way to earning his seventh win. It was his second complete game of 2006 and 16th overall.

------------------------

I was mixed on this pickup/non-pickup by the Jays and Cardinals, but in retrospect, given the Oswalt signing.  I wish we had picked up Burnett.  I think that Zito will price himself out of our range and I would have preferred the 28 year old Burnett to Schmidt who will prolly command comparable $$$ given age and injury history.  The Cardinals are going to have to step up and spend the big bucks on a pitcher if they want to win, imho.

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Sep 2, 2006 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not commenting on the deal...
....but the Red Sox lineup today would equate to the Cubs right now.

They are a shell of their former selves.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2006 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, the sox were depleted
but then, the cub lineup our cardinal pitchers dominated last weekend wasn't exactly murderer's row --- no derrek lee, no michael barrett. does that cheapen the good outings by carp and supps in your mind?

baseball prospectus actually keeps track of the quality of opposing batters that each pitcher faces. burnett's opposing hitters have an avg OPS of .778, which is 19th out of 64 starting pitchers in the american league --- ie, burnett's overall "degree of difficulty" ranks in the upper third.

among the st louis starters, only one ranks in the upper half of the league in avg OPS of opposing batters --- anthony reyes. in truth, reyes lacks the innings to qualify, but his avg OPS (.759) would rank 10th in the league if he did qualify.

marquis ranks 46th out of 74 nl pitchers (90 or more innings); carpenter ranks 49th, and suppan ranks 73d.

so if you're going to discount burnett's performance today, by the same principle you must be pretty worried about the st louis pitchers . . . . .

personally i think these things tend to even out over the course of a season. burnett did run into a weakened lineup today, but he did what he was supposed to do ---- he dominated them. give the guy credit.

by lboros on Sep 2, 2006 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're suggesting
that burnett's outing today is not that impressive because he beat a weakened team. i'm providing some context to your comment --- and, in context, we find that burnett has faced very strong opposition this year.

i'm also suggesting that it's inconsistent of you to dismiss burnett's good outing today because it came against weak competition, while lauding the outings of st louis pitchers against weak competition.

by lboros on Sep 2, 2006 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You sure took a lot of inaccuracy out of a simple
statement that equated what Burnett did to the Red Sox as what Cardinals pitchers did to the Cubs.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok hardcore
whatever you say. i'll leave it up to readers to sort this one out.

by lboros on Sep 2, 2006 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing as I said that I 'wasn't' commenting on
the deal, and then 'YOU' proceeded to compare him to St. Louis starters, I'm really not quite sure what you were digging at.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2006 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds staying home
Jimmy Baseball won't be with the team during their upcoming road trip.

I think the writing is on the wall.

by 26thMan on Sep 2, 2006 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What an F-ing bummer......
Just means more Taguchi than we can stomach for the rest of the season.

Well, good luck to Jimmy where ever he lands!

It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 2, 2006 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skip
Once the Olympic Trials Tourney ends, we'll see more of Skip Schumaker - I hope

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

edmonds is being
a bitch lately, saying crap like "I don't want to get in the way of the team" and that they're better off without him.

I like the guy, but he needs to stop feeling sorry for himself.

by PGeorge on Sep 2, 2006 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
that's exactly it.  This is all Edmonds fault.  The fact that he shows up at the ballpark, in full uniform, batting gloves on and bat in hand standing behind Larussa in situations where a pinch-hitter is needed tells you nothing of how this situation is being handled.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2006 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineup
Aaron Miles SS
Chris Duncan RF
Albert Pujols 1B
Scott Rolen 3B
Scott Spiezio LF
Juan Encarnacion CF
Ronnie Belliard 2B
Yadier Molina C
Chris Carpenter P

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

carp's pitching two in a row....
I don't think the cards should start that until october.

by PGeorge on Sep 2, 2006 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops
Thanks for letting me know about my typo.  Actually, that means I need to fix my blog as well...it should be Weaver pitching

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was just a good pre game interview
with Preston Wilson.  He's really growing on me.  Of course, he's not in the lineupwhen I say that. Typical.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's gotta be tough
Jimmy is a gamer and its really tough to go thru the PCS, I couldn't imagine doing it in front of the nation.
"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Sep 2, 2006 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver is dominating
Not many lefties starting for the Bucs today which helps

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we might want to follow
Hardcore Legend's lead from last night.  Maybe we shouldn't discuss the guy in the middle of the infield playing defense for our team.  Worked out pretty well last night.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alrighty
I got back after the game last night so I didnt read through everything.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit Molina
Quit swinging at shit pitches!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Miles !!
Someone has to carry this team.

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching on MLB.TV and you must be
at least a full minute ahead of me by your post.  I saw Miles foul off two more pitches before the out after I saw what you wrote.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching MLB TV too
and I didn't even notice since I'm watching full screen so I'm checking at commercial breaks only.

Tom Petty's gonna get annoying by the end of the night and I usually like his songs.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope these
missed opportunities don't come back to hurt us.  

by stltrav09 on Sep 2, 2006 7:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we can get to Chacon
That was a matter of having two on with Molina, Weaver and Miles being your big threat.  Actually, I think Enc might have been able to score on the Weaver bunt.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was the bunt
a botched squeeze?

by Big Rev on Sep 2, 2006 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, safety squeeze but Enc didn't go.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And again, I say
Belliard sure turns the double play very well.  Sign him for 3 1/2 million and things would be fine.  Maybe even 4.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leadoff Walk to Dunk
Make it hurt!  Let's go Cards

by stltrav09 on Sep 2, 2006 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shacon always struggles with his command..
.. they need to be real patient here. Good job Dunc!!

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

way to go scotty!!
Just let the bat sit on your shoulder everyone shacon cant throw strikes

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And we're not taking it!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the...
lineoutiest and popoutiest game...man

by Big Rev on Sep 2, 2006 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the strangest set of adjectives
I've ever seen.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody has to say it
Speizio's wife is SMOKING HOT!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sigh
At least you didn't detail her "smoking hot" features, I'll give you that one.

by Elle on Sep 2, 2006 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh
Hopefully Weaver can keep this one scoreless.

by stltrav09 on Sep 2, 2006 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oy...
Offense is producing...but with two outs, the ball always seems to find a glove.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're letting him off the hook
And it's going to bite us in the ass.
Albert Pujols finally hit the ball hard.  Maybe he will get on track now.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im not watching on TV...
.. but on game day looks like weaver is pretty sharp. Anyone that is actually watching the game have any comments??

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We have chosen not to comment in order
that we wil not jinx him.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha!!
Makes perfect sense. He is fragile enough as it is!!

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh...
i'm spitting and spinning in that case...

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good job Bluegrass!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, if things get tense, you have to throw a
Squat in there somewhere so it becomes Spinning, Squatting and Spitting.  The Spitting always has to come last though. That is very important.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched Weaver..
..Pitch for the Angels out here in LA earlier this year and I always wondered how a guy with such good stuff could have such a hard time pitching!!

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RB, you're a left coaster?
Timbo and I are as well.  Don't know where he is today but I think he had to do holiday girlfriend stuff.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top of the lineup folks!!!!!!
Spin, Squat and Spit!!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spinning... Double
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At leas someone can hit...
... now lets go baby dunc.

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow..
.. I hope scotty makes them pay!!

by RB on Sep 2, 2006 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Squatting
Pujols walk.  Preparing a big loogey.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Speeze...
your band sucks...get a hit!

by Big Rev on Sep 2, 2006 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Speez take the effing walk!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Son Of A Bitch, Ball 4!!!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

come on cards
The last thing I need to do is throw something at my pc.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Duffy
Didn't you see Molina throw through on the baserunner before you.  Sit your ass down!!!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't care how fast you are...
You CANNOT steal a base from Yadier Molina.  You just can't!

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Observation:
Why do the cameras focus on Belliard, especially when he has his tongue out constantly? That's just...gross.

Also:

Yay Yadi!

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Sep 2, 2006 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because those idiots Rick Horton and Wayne Hagen
decided to make a big deal out of it.  I'm with you... Leave it alone.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and
our defense and pitching to continue preventing the gentlemen from pittsburgh from scoring.

by Tudor 85 on Sep 2, 2006 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

those aren't gentelman,
they're dirty filthy pirates!!!!

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question:
Is Weaver always sulking?

He just always looks like he is.

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Sep 2, 2006 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course
Just a comment...I've seen him swear a lot, too. :)
Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Sep 2, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehehe
fair enough... and yes, the man does always look bitter and angry.

Though no one swears like our beloved Jimmy E.

I remember one time four years ago that he struck out and yelled "FUCK!!!" so loudly it came through on the TV.  I laughed for the next half inning.

by Valatan on Sep 2, 2006 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heehee
I'm giggling now just thinking about that.

Gotta love ol' JED.

Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Sep 2, 2006 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice job by lil dunc
"jizzy izzy makes my dizzy cuz he keeps the basepaths buzy"

by jcarro100 on Sep 2, 2006 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Shit!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well it was only one run...
that's not to bad considering the size of the comebacks we have been putting together.

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
and with the way our pitching has been recently, I'll certainly be willing to live with one run.  

by Valatan on Sep 2, 2006 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Chris!
Even though the run scored, Duncan was able to prevent the other runs from scoring

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pinch hit for Weaver?
I say yes.  Let's get some rums.

by Valatan on Sep 2, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Runs, right?
Or did you actually mean rums? ;)
Hope springs enternal.

by Squeaky on Sep 2, 2006 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm generally more of a whiskey guy...
but if the team scores some here, I'll gladly drink some celebratory rums

by Valatan on Sep 2, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
..., but I really wanted to see Weaver get the win. Well, let's score two and get it for him.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 2, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who pinch hits for Weaver?
And by the way, since he will be out of the game, I will say he threw a damned fine game tonight.  If he loses it is on the effing offense.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The 2nd pitch was a ball
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that was ugly as hell.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just got home...
wow...pitching duel today huh?...who would have guessed that?

by Timbo02 on Sep 2, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really
MANY opportunities and no 2 out hits.  Weaver was fantastic,  Chacon was on the ropes damn near every inning.  SUCKS bad for Weaver.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where
the hell is the offense again huh....well could be another 9th inning come from behind win ...Lets go !!

by Timbo02 on Sep 2, 2006 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weaver
His ERA is now under 6!

Looper was warming up when they cut to commercial.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah,
he's the guy who would be better if he were Adam Wainwright.

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good old Braden Loopy
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit!!!
Looper ought to be able to throw the ball by a guy like Duffy!  Shit!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FINALLY!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6 pitches in the same location...
Definitely the strategy of a guy named Looper.

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well I guess he got him...
so i'll eat my words.

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DP!!!
How about that one?!?

Now offense, give Braden his 9th of the season!!

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why in the HELL would you pitch out
with Joe Randa?  Yes, we got out of it but I think Molina had already made it clear that Randa would be going nowhere.  Hell, Randa can't run.  What is TLR or DUNC Sr. thinking?
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that could have been
Molina ....he might have the blessing of tony on calling pitchouts...ya think?

by Timbo02 on Sep 2, 2006 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly, I don't think so. I think Molina would
would be thinking he can run on my ass anyway.  And Molina looks to the dugout before every pitch it seems.  Duncan probably called that.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

6 outs left for you!
Now make it happen, guys!

by Big Rev on Sep 2, 2006 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

all right albert
rally with the heart of the order

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Son of a bitch
Solomen Torres again.  He is almost as old as Julio Franco.  Still can bring it though.  God, can't we at least score a run?
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BUNT PLEASE!!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What the fuck are you talking about?
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me if you're lost.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game day
had him flying out it looked like...my mistake..

by Timbo02 on Sep 2, 2006 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

soul patch of doom
 (credit to note benne)

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Way to go Soul Patch!!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why did they intent walk carnacion...
to get to Beliard who's 2 for 3?

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ouch...
that's why

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preston Wilson...
allright!

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Up to PW
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yadi, prove to me!
that you can outhit your battery mates!

by Big Rev on Sep 2, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A HBP....
...would have been nice.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 2, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dammit 2-2, screwed now
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh...
well, there's always the ninth inning now.

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

arrrrrrrr
"jizzy izzy makes my dizzy cuz he keeps the basepaths buzy"

by jcarro100 on Sep 2, 2006 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is going to be a stupid freaking loss.
Weaver deserved better.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If someone gets on....
...Pujols can hit a walk-off HR to win it.

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2006 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Torres
Spanish for Wagner? 2 K's...ouch.

by Big Rev on Sep 2, 2006 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, this Rose new guy who was in the minors
for years.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and
who was a hostage with Ensberg & others, with Aaron Miles the badass next door

by Elle on Sep 2, 2006 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit, Billy Wagner is trying to let
Houston come back again.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

one runner on
Pujols on deck, only one out

by 1985kid on Sep 2, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dang it
If Duncan had hit a tad bit harder, that would have won the game.

Juan should have ran home earlier on the squeeze IMO

by cardsfan84 on Sep 2, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was a pathetic game
PERIOD!!! And Albert is not Albert.  Get a cortisone shot in the elbow dammit!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least the Mets just beat Houston
on a good note.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Sep 2, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Changes In Pitching
Cards do need to make changes in the bull pen and probably should start with Izzy.  Until someone really steps up and proves their closer material, I think closing by committe is the best way to go.  Izzy has been losing his stuff for two seasons. No time like the present to make changes. Cards aren't only losing critical games but losing close ones really hurt the attitude of the team.  Other thing that should occur is for the coaching staff to pull pitchers much sooner.  CHANGES RIGHT NOW ARE NECESSARY. The organization can't afford to wait any longer.

by bpwaggener on Sep 6, 2006 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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