Game 142 Open Thread: September 10, 2006

suppan gonzalez
11-7, 4.39 3-7, 5.64
Well, we just got Carp'd last night, plain and simple. At least this time it wasn't Ramon Ortiz doing the dirty work. It took Webb 96 pitches and an hour and 45 minutes to carve up the Cards; even Gibby would be proud. Webb certainly has a solid case for NL Cy Young. Webb's tied for 1st in the NL in the win column with 15 W's, and his 3.00 ERA is 2nd behind only Carpenter. Coming into the game Webb's Win Probability Added was 3rd in the NL with 2.92 and you can imagine throwing a 1 hit compete game shut out will only boost that up all the more higher. His 19 Win Shares is also tops among all NL pitchers. It'll be interesting to see how Carpenter, Webb and Oswalt pitch the last month of the season in a race for the hardware.
Marquis was good, but not great and managed to cough up his league leading 33rd homerun. But the alarming trend as of late is how anemic the offense has been, scoring an average of 2.55 runs per game in the month of September. Outside of Albert and some good games from Molina and Spiezio, not a soul is hitting much of a lick. So while the pitching has begun to somewhat stabilize (Reyes rough outing aside), the offense has gone to pot. So it's been with this strange 06 version of the Cardinals.
The Cards go for the split with Jeff Suppan versus Enrique Gonzalez. Suppan has been a different pitcher since the All Star Break. I don't have lboros's table-drawing skills, so you'll have to work with bullet points here.
- ERA pre/post All Star-5.83/2.24
- K per 9 4.6/5.6
- BB per 9 3.1/3.4
- HR/9 1.32/0.84
- Hits/9 11/8.4
This isn't the first time Suppan has turned it on in the 2nd half. Last season Soup went 7-3 with a 2.78 ERA after the AS break.
Out of all the Cardinal starters that are becoming free agents this offseason, Jeff Suppan may be the most desired to return. It can't be because he has the best stuff of any of them, it's just because for the most part you know what you're gonna get with Suppan. You know he's gonna chew innings, you know he's gonna usually keep you in ball games, and I think most of us know he doesn't have a head full off broccoli and cheese. He's not as easily rattled as Weaver, nor is he as flaky as Marquis. He's not a pretty boy like Mulder. He's Jeff Suppan, who keeps his mouth shut, does his job, and gives the tv announcers their "word of the day" and is religiously devout. He's likeable, or at least I like him. He's a California guy, so I wouldn't be shocked if he bolted for LA or San Diego next season. But I do hope to see him around still in Cardinal red next year and I can't say that about any of our other FA to be starting pitchers.
As for Enrique Gonzalez, he's a rookie facing the Cardinals for the first time in his life so who knows what we'll get here. Looking at his minor league numbers, he projects to be a solid middle of the rotation guy who has just hit some rough bumps in the road thus far. Hopefully the offense can wake up and take advantage of someone who's been quite hittable. Enjoy the game.
Oh, and one last thing. Vote Pujols for the "Marvin Miller Man of the Year Award" this season. Can't have DUI'er Ryan Freel represent the NL Central.
mini-disclaimer:That's not to say Freel is a horrible person for havin' a DUI or 2, and I can't say I'm not glad he is doing some good in the community. It's just that a lot of us know what the superstar Pujols does on his off days in order to do some good. [UPDATED]Joe Strauss at the P-D ran a story this morning about the upcoming free agency market, be sure to check it out. It mentions the prospect of resigning Suppan, as well as waiving bye-bye to Jimmy Edmonds. I think what struck me the most was the title of the article "What could the Cardinals buy with $26 million?" Is this an indication that payroll will stay around the same in 07? And is 26 mil enough to get a top of the line starting pitcher, a #4 and possibly #5 starter, a new center fielder, and a 2nd baseman? Just getting a top flight starter like a Jason Schmidt and a CFer (Strauss mentioned Torii Hunter, not a move that would thrill me. Sooner see Juan moved to center.) will cost the biggest chunk of $26 mil alone. What also could be seen as worrisome is the fact that now the club seems to be rather sold that Duncan will continue to produce and therefore the the aging Jimmy could be shown the door. $26 doesn't seem like enough to replenish the rotation with 2 or 3 starters, get a regular 2nd baseman not in the Miles mold, a CFer, and some bullpen arms and bench to boot. It'll be interesting to see what happens this winter.
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Nice synopis on on the Soup-Can
Jeff. Suppan. Outpitched. Roger. Clemmens.
I wouldn't worry about Freel
Good points lboros.......
Boy. That's like 2 hits off 2 starting pitchers. I guess not even Albert is swinging the bat?
As for FA pitchers, maybe Supp will realize he's by far the most appreciated starting pitcher in St. Louis, outside of Carp. And he is one case where TLR's tendency to stick with moderately good veterans often pays off. The thing that is often overlooked is how often he gets matched up with a great pitcher, and goes out and matches them, raising his game to another level to keep the Birds in contention. I hope he's in Cardinal red next year.
great post erik
Hair and pitching
Marquis - His head is shaved. He is bad
Weaver (Joe Dirt) - He has a mop on his head. He is bad.
Suppan - nice head of hair. He's pretty good
Reyes - He has good hair, but his hat throws off his potential. He is pretty good.
Carpenter - His hair makes women cry. He is awesome.
Now obviously I think too much. But if every player cut their hair like carpenter, we might have 5 aces on our staff...
(I am being sarcastic)
It doesn't necessarily have to be
by iron duke75 on Sep 10, 2006 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And have you noticed
Reyes has a good haircut?
The P-D Article
OT: Who You?
by DimitroffVodka on Sep 10, 2006 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
i'm not a broncos fan
my winter sport is college hoops --- i root primarily for mizzou, secondarily for the other in-state schools (slu, missouri state).
ugh
oh, wait, you run the place. nevermind. carry on.
free agency
by Bullet Bob Gibson on Sep 10, 2006 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
Damaged goods...
Yeah, every time I read about him
ummm pass
He's projected to have a negative VORP for the next 5 years. He doesn't hit for great average (only one EqA over .260 in the previous 3 years), doesn't hit for ANY power(03-05 had 4,7,7 HR totals respectively) and doesn't walk enough to compensate for his other deficiencies(high in OBP is a .354 from 03-05). And o yeah...he gets hurt alot(02-05 played 67,125,153,29 games). I hope the Cardinals stay FAR away from him.
I don't want someone who is fun or gives 100% effort if they aren't very good.
So, today we get
Well, at least he's not a lefty too (shudder)...
Rams football...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
Control pitchers
I'm not concerned with a 9 game sample size in reference to an ailing offense. Little soon to be worried. After all, we did score 6 runs in a third of those games.
Make that...
I think the concern is still the same. A short span of games didn't mean or offense went down the drain. Unfortunatly, it didn't really mean our pitching got better either. Regress to the mean, regress to the mean, regress to the mean.
Go Cards!
I like the idea of a homegrown replacement
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Sep 10, 2006 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets
trade idea
by thefordhamflash on Sep 10, 2006 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
no thank you
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 10, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll pass
el lineup del birdos
C. Duncan lf
A. Pujols 1b
S. Rolen 3b
S. Spiezio 2b
J. Encarnacion rf
J. Vizcaino ss
Y. Molina c
J. Suppan p
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 10, 2006 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
now that's a different look
rest for
Reyes to miss his next start
Why?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and
"them" isn't specified, only referred to previously as the Cardinals, but I assume it refers to TLR/Duncan.
Dontrelle Willis just three-hit the Phillies...
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 10, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
we found our bats
Where was Hudson?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
Skip
Does anyone know
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Sep 10, 2006 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
What a pathetic team...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
ugh
Anyone seeing that
This is the kind of thing that will freeze Gameday for a halfhour
All Molina had to do was
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2006 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
This team
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
Ok not really..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
next yr CF options
i'd sooner see
after seeing that play, i'd like to see juan on a plane elsewhere...ergh. poor soup.
Hey Yadier
Yadi through to 2B
Soup picked him off 1st.
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2006 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Pathetic
When is the last time...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
Probably a Rhetorical Question
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Sep 10, 2006 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
defense...
by cardsfan2222 on Sep 10, 2006 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
Just signed in...
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
God that was pathetic
Get your heads out of your asses guys, damn...
I watched a lot of the Little League WS
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
and now Soup is crumbling...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
end of a horrible inning
Well, that's that....
No way on this planet can we score the 6 runs it is going to take us to win this game.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 10, 2006 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
It's even harder to watch us lose
two feet higher
Who is the old moron
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2006 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
Joe Garaglia (sp?)
All they seem to want to talk about
I thought that was Garagiola
What the hell is he doing calling a D'Backs game anyway?
Stunning commentary
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2006 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure his kid
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2006 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And that would be SOUL patch
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
forgive me...
Joe Garigiola...
Joe is best known as a long time broadcaster starting with KMOX, with Harry, then went on to do the NBC game of the week for many many years (some of the time with Vin Scully). Joe was also on the Today Show for many years.
I know his son was/is GM and later VP with the Diamondbacks. I actually didn't know Joe was alive until I started picking him up on MLB.TV.
Joe is as St. Louis as they come.
Bob Uecker was always the poor man's Joe G. as Joe made a career of poking fun at himself.
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 10, 2006 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i heard the humor alright
One season
He was referring to Yogi Berra.
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2006 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe Joe
hey Juan
Hey,maybe Tony getting tossed
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
Didn't see him get tossed
who thinks Tony got ejected to
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe
Wait, was Tony ejected?
Consequently...
Nice one, Hombre! Cards up 5-4
ugly strikeout by kid dunc
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
45!
And the Cards have the lead again.
dumbass
by Big Red on Sep 10, 2006 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
You have to think it is a manager
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
EL HOMBRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
You should try MLB TV at
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Now some good defense
GWRBI
I hope that's the case but
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Niice Defense, Speeeeezzzio
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 6:07 PM EDT reply actions
Is anyone else getting sick of these little kids..
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 10, 2006 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
Spezio
6-4
I love Spezio!
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
I love to see our guys battlin'
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
i already apologize for the dumbness of that post.
I thought it was clever
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Sep 10, 2006 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
same here
headache two days in a row
I was wondering
Suppan impresses the hell out of me today
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
Izzy out for season
What about Edmonds?
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Sep 10, 2006 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats Adam
someone on here mentioned umps
oh and brother jared got some jeff luck Figgins loses one in sun that knocks him out of game..
speez
Thank God for Speez today
This may have already been posted earlier
Instead, Marquis will pitch the series closer on three-days' rest.
According to Goold, Reyes approached the training staff after Friday's start complaining of a tired arm. Hopefully, it's nothing more than that.
by steve in georgia on Sep 10, 2006 6:56 PM EDT reply actions
I hate to say this but that walk to bring up Gonzo
by BozoJones on Sep 10, 2006 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
Flores...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 7:00 PM EDT reply actions
close?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Flores sucks...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
So does Josh Kinney....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
flores is terrible with inherited runners
Darn it
the good thing is
Did Abner just
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
apparently not
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
grrrrrrr....
Suppan really got jobbed today... freakin bullpen
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
It's time to roll over and die...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 10, 2006 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
I am really tired of watching this team.
by steve in georgia on Sep 10, 2006 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
End the Sosa Experiment...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 10, 2006 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
When did we
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
oh yeah
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
He's worse than useless
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 10, 2006 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess when you use
I think abstl is right
by 1985kid on Sep 10, 2006 7:36 PM EDT reply actions

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