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Possibility of Craig Counsell playing for the Cards

If Ecks injury is more serious that previous than thought before what is the likelly hood that Craig comes to the way of the Cards. My guess is pretty good.

Counsell may rejoin club on Monday
Melvin not saying how playing time at shortstop will be split with Drew

Bob McManaman
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 20, 2006 12:00 AM

SAN DIEGO - Craig Counsell is scheduled to play in one more minor league rehabilitation game today with Class A Lancaster and then likely will be activated from the disabled list on Monday and join the Diamondbacks in San Francisco.

But then what?

Will Counsell immediately reclaim his starting job at shortstop, or will manager Bob Melvin continue to play slick rookie Stephen Drew and slowly work Counsell back into the everyday lineup?

Melvin isn't ready to announce anything, saying, "When he (Counsell) gets here, we'll talk about it."

But when asked how difficult it would be to take Drew - who is hitting .317 through 31 games - out of the lineup, Melvin offered the following:

"Stephen's going to play. Absolutely, Stephen's going to play."

He just wouldn't say how much.

Counsell, who went a combined 2 for 12 in a designated-hitter role for Triple-A Tucson, played shortstop for Lancaster on Saturday. He has been on the disabled list since July 15 with a right rib fracture.

Stats for the Year:

.278/.334/.366/.700 pretty much his career numbers

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What's he making?
Does he have a decent chance of clearing waivers?  I also wonder what we'd have to give up to get him.  I wouldn't trade much more than a low-A prospect or some AA place fillers at this point.

by Valatan on Aug 20, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Counsell
He makes 1.75 M$ in this, the final year of his contract.

I don't know how wise it would be picking up a guy coming off a major injury who hasn't hit well in his rehab. Just for kicks, I looked up his last serious injury. He broke his thumb in 2003 and missed two months. Before the injury, he'd hit .276/.387/.353 and after the injury went .209/.289/.273.

Totally different type of injuries, broken rib vs. thumb, so draw any conclusions in pencil. (To mix metaphors.)

In other news, this Yankees @ Red Sox game is fairly entertaining. Joe Morgan seems to be actively antagonizing sabermatricians at this point. A bit earlier, he was blathering on about how it's far better to hit the ball than it is to draw a walk when Robinson Cano hit the ball into a double play.

by liam on Aug 20, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Eckstein
Here is Eckstein Post-All star numbers: .233/.287/.241/.528

As you can see pretty horrible especially for a lead off guy.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 20, 2006 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

yep...
and I LOVE Eck...I really do...what a freaking gamer this guy is and I'm sure will continue to be....but I STILL think a really smart and needed move would be to sign Julio Lugo over the winter.  I'd move Eck to 2nd and give him every opportunity to be the regular starter there. EVERY opportunity.  But Lugo is available Now...and he'd be another in the image of a Ozzie or a Renteria, meaning he'd be in that position for a long time and improve our team on both defense and offense for the next 4-5 years at least.  

by Timbo02 on Aug 20, 2006 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

stolen base potential
i only know this because counsell is on my fantasy team, but counsell has 11 stolen bases this year, 26 last year.  that'd easily make him one of the faster redbirds.. it'd be nice to reduce the threat of double plays and move into scoring position, something eck isn't primed for.

by shawnz303 on Aug 20, 2006 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Counsell...
I like Counsell...but i think he would be the kind of player we should stay away from...I just realized that we have the same birthday...tommorow...
woo hoo...
anyway.
Counsell is turning 36 tommorow...do we really want or need another guy that old?
I know he's probably only a rental player but still...the D'backs can keep him...at least in my opinion

by Dttl89 on Aug 21, 2006 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow
I'd love him. I remember cheering him on as a Marlin when they won their first WS.

by aet15 on Aug 21, 2006 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Counsell ...
I like his versatility. He has played 2B, SS & 3B. Also played on 2 WS champions.

Hey, wasn't Counsell the guy who hit the HR against the Cards in the 2001 playoffs?

by jdubya on Aug 21, 2006 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

i'd take him...
as long as it means aaron miles doesnt see any more at bats.  i am not sure why the snakes would make the trade though.  counsell isnt likely to fetch a real prospect.  d-backs are 2.0 games back in the wild card chase and would be better off just holding on to him for depth.

by dmb60614 on Aug 21, 2006 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Miles
What's wrong with Miles? He hasn't playing too poorly lately, he's actually done a much better than expected job in filling in for Eck. Why don't we just drop down Timo now that we have Preston Wilson. Timo is MUCH worse than Miles.

by aet15 on Aug 21, 2006 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But something we do have
We actually have pretty decent Minor League depth in Bullpen help. What about Falkenberg or Kinney? These guys actually could help a lot of teams in the hunt.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 21, 2006 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Eckstein is out week or more
CHICAGO -- The Cardinals are not yet sure what to do about it, but the club concedes it probably will play the rest of the month without shortstop David Eckstein.

Head trainer Barry Weinberg said Sunday morning that even the most optimistic scenario projects Eckstein will miss at least the next seven to 10 days with a strained left oblique muscle suffered in Friday's 11-3 win over the Chicago Cubs. Eckstein returned to St. Louis after Sunday's 5-3 win and will be examined today by team medical supervisor Dr. George Paletta.

Weinberg said he would be "thrilled" if Eckstein returned within a week, characterizing an absence of seven to days as a "best-case scenario."

Eckstein was injured while scoring from second base on Albert Pujols' third-inning single. Cubs catcher Michael Barrett pinned Eckstein's leg, then rolled into the shortstop's side while scrambling for a loose ball. Eckstein at first worried that he had suffered a broken leg. It wasn't until he made a warmup throw that he discovered the oblique strain.

The Cardinals plan to be especially cautious with the last position player to miss a start this season. Barring an unexpectedly optimistic prognosis from Paletta, the club is believed to be leaning toward putting Eckstein on the disabled list retroactive to Aug. 17.

"I worry about David rushing back, just because of the type of player and personality more than anything," Weinberg said. "You have to factor that in your decision. He's so anxious to play."

The projection means Eckstein may be out until rosters can expand Sept. 1. The Cardinals have discussed pursuing infielder Jose Vizcaino, whom the San Francisco Giants recently designated for assignment, or promoting shortstop John Nelson from Triple-A Memphis. Nelson is not on the 40-man roster but is considered by some a capable short-term answer.

It is more likely, however, that the club will promote outfielder John Rodriguez from Triple-A Memphis and try to get by with the infielders on hand.

Aaron Miles made his second consecutive start at shortstop Sunday. Before Sunday's game, Scott Spiezio took ground balls at the position, and manager Tony La Russa mentioned second baseman Ronnie Belliard as another option there.

Without Eckstein, the infield situation is acute enough for La Russa to say he could use outfielder So Taguchi at second base in a pinch. Taguchi played second in college before moving to center field as a professional.

Eckstein rode a stationary bike in the visitors' clubhouse Sunday and reported slightly less discomfort. After finding it difficult to sleep Friday night, Eckstein said he had fewer problems Saturday.

"I've talked to some guys who've had it, and I know it's something I have to be careful with," Eckstein said. "If I come back too soon and it comes back, we're talking three to six weeks. Then you're into late September or into October."

A similar injury to the right side sent first baseman Albert Pujols to the disabled list earlier this season. Catcher Gary Bennett avoided the DL but was severely limited for almost three weeks.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 21, 2006 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Counsell is a very good defensive infielder,
if I remember correctly, and an occasionally useful hitter. Not a bad guy to have around if he comes cheap, he's definitely an upgrade on Miles come playoff time.

by DanUpBaby on Aug 21, 2006 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate this idea...
Counsell:
74G 306AB .278 Avg .334OBP .366 SLG .700 OPS

Miles:
100G 299AB .261 Avg .330 OBP .348 SLG .678 OPS

Eckstein:
115G 477AB .289 Avg .349 OBP .329 SLG .678 OPS

Tagucci:
107G 274AB .270 Avg .336 OBP .354 SLG .690 OPS

These guys are all, essentially interchangable parts in a line up.  Why on earth would you want Counsell- (especially as some have suggested for J-Rod and his .850 OPS?)  Sure Counsell is an intermitant and incrimental improvement at short defensively, but how much are you willing to pay for that?

It seems to me that the problem with the Cards' roster is that they are overpaying for interchangable parts that make incremental or no difference.  I think picking up Counsell just compounds this.  

by Zubin on Aug 21, 2006 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

What part to hate the most
the fact that he has a higher OPS than anyone or a higher Slugging percentage than anyone else you listed?

By the way, if Taguchi ever gets significant time at second the rest of the way you might as well forfiet the rest of your games. And Miles is not someone you should rely on in the long term to be a stop gap at SS. He already has been over exposed.

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 21, 2006 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that
Counsel has been hampered by injury the majority of the year.

Now I really dont think it will happen, I do think it is an upgrade over what we have available.

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 21, 2006 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check the stats again
Counsell's OPS is a whopping 22 points higher than Eck and Miles; only 10 points higher than Tagucci.  Unless the guy is esentially free, I don't see the point in getting him.

by Zubin on Aug 22, 2006 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

David Wells
cleared waivers. Hell, lets get him, too!
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2006 6:01 AM EDT reply actions  

If only he can end up on the same team
as Ponson.  The level of sweetness there would be vast.

by Valatan on Aug 22, 2006 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

AZ
Arizona lost last night and is now 4 games back of the Wild Card. Which improves our chances to getting CC imo.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 23, 2006 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

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