Game 106 Open Thread: Part Deux
it was 8-7 when i turned the TV on a few seconds ago . . . . 11-7 now?
forget it; 12-7 . . . . .
go cards.
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this is all my fault
i'm a curse
I did
I, too, did the exact same thing
ME: Can I check the score before we go? If it's close i want to stay and watch for a little bit."
HER: Sure, whatever.
(turns on tv. score is 8-2. turns off tv.)
ME: Nevermind.
Lesson? Don't go on walks.
I turned off the TV at 8-3
by ryanisforever on Aug 2, 2006 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
Flores was too busy double clutching
That should have been an out, and an end to the streak...
C'mon guys! You are better than this!
Okay, Albert, Scott, and Jim, you are better than this... the rest of you... well, okay, play above the potential you are currently displaying...
on the upside, gonna get to see the Memphis Redbirds play tomorrow and Friday...
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 2, 2006 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks Jimmy
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 2, 2006 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Double Play
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
To answer you questions
Nope.
He is at second.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, the sad thing is yes, yes he has.
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The entire staff
by deanj on Aug 2, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Soup
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Last two Cards games on ESPN
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Pfft, whatever.
I just got home
Who else was left?
Unfortunately...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
My God
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
ignore that
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Come Back of the Year II
For a moment there we thought maybe it was a Card comeback. Here's to hope for tomorrow with another sure fire starter taking the mound. We'll show'em.
by Birds on the Bat on Aug 2, 2006 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe
A guy can dream can't he?
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
Luna 1 for 10 as an Indian.
by deanj on Aug 2, 2006 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
and how many hits...
in case you haven't been paying attention, he's got two GIDP, an error, and a few Ks.
If Reyes goes in the Pen
I'll agree
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 2, 2006 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I read today
whoa!!!
fucking finally!
GIDP's
Anybody have any historicals and club records for GIDP's?
by Birds on the Bat on Aug 2, 2006 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
Right now...
He's raising up when he swings at the ball, not staying down and powering through it. It's creating big holes in his swing.
Might as well bat him lead-off since no one is getting on in front of him. Bat him lead off so we might not get a 1-2-3 first inning for a change.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
the team has given up
that is classic
Of course, I see it now....
How could I have been so blind.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
i just don't see the relevance
Who is harping?
MVP standard or not, Pujols has had 2 multi-hit games in his last 14. That's simply not good coming from a guy that bats in the prime spot in the lineup.
Pithing is terrible. Doesn't change the fact that while #3 spot went 1 for 5, 4 thru 7 went 7 for 15 tonight with 4 RBIs, 3 2Bs and a homerun.
Why not bat Albert first? Give him more at-bats to break out of the funk, Eckstein and Belliard aren't getting on base, so bat Eckstein 2nd and give Rolen, Edmonds, Encarnacion and Duncan a chance to drive him in.
Pujols isn't hitting well right now. Why can't that be said? No one is talking about running him out of town or throwing him under the bus. However, he's what makes this team go.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Hitting doesn't matter
What about the previous 5 when we lost by an..
That doesn't have anything to do with the Pujols discussion, but 1 horrid night does not a 6 game losing streak make.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
I see your point, though.
Oh yeah...
you're suggesting we move the guy to leadoff
it's a true fact that albert has had an off week, but it's also a pointless fact --- it's about 10th on the team's list of concerns right now.
your opinion may differ
Obviously Pujols power outage isn't the highest
Pujols, unfortunately had 5 HRs in his last 91 ABs. 12 XBH in that same span. That a HR every 18+ ABs and an XBH every 7.5 ABs. His career averages for those are 1 HR every 14 ABs and 1 XBH every 6.5.
Luckily, Albert has had his best month of his career in the month of August, so look forward to a big rebound. However, it's been a rough almost 30 days for El Hombre.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
his line for july
forgive me for saying so, but i think it's ridiculous to call that a "rough" 30 days.
he's ever-so slightly behind his xbh and hr rates over 91 at-bats, but the gaps are completely insignificant. in those 91 at-bats that have you so concerned, pujols has put up a .314 / .410 / .593 line --- a 1.003 ops.
forgive me again, but i think it's ridiculous to deem that a slump. that's a great batting line, even for a player who carried a 1.200 ops for half a season.
we got so accustomed to having albert produce in every key situation during the first half that it created some unrealistic expectations. for this one week, he has not been superman; for this one week, he has not been great enough to save the team from its own mediocrity.
to you, that means "he's just not very good" right now --- and i'm quoting you directly from this post above. i just don't think the evidence supports that statement
That's a great line...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Since June 4th....
24 Games
91 ABs
28 H
15 R
7 2B
5 HR
1 3B
14 RBI
6 K
13 BB
1 HBP
.307/.400/.571
.971 OPS
Still good stuff, but not El Hombre-ish.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we have bigger complaints
Like the staff's 971 ERA lately. Or the 971 OPS of C and 2B combined.
the basic argument here is
ergo he needs to do better.
The basic arguement here is
When your team leaders (Pujols and Rolen) are doing that, motivating the rest of the team becomes increasingly difficult.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
but 6 game samples
pujols is headed for career highs in slugging, homers, rbi, walks, and ops --- this despite missing 15 games on the dl
rolen is 15-20 points above his career avgs in avg, obp, and slg
encarnacion is headed for a career high in slugging and close to his career peaks in avg, hr, rbi, and ops
eckstein is beating his career avgs for avg and obp, and is slugging right at his career avg
rodriguez, duncan, and zpiezio are all overachieving.
luna beat his career avgs in everything
you're being unrealistic to expect these guys to maintain career-best production week in and week out. if albert slides back to the mean for a week or a month, that is normal. it's hardly a problem, as you're interpreting it.
the problems with the team are a) the pitching stinks, which is 90 pct of the problem, and b) the supporting cast's level of talent is too low. juan encarnacion may be beating his own standards, but his standards are so low that he can beat them and still not be a very good player. ditto aaron aaron miles -- he's playing right to his career avgs, but he's still a terrible player. the fault for this lies with the front office / ownership; not every scrap-bin player will turn in an abe nunez or tony womack type year. not every bad ballplayer will magically have a good season when they put on a cardinal uniform.
I think the team has finally hit their breaking
by ryanisforever on Aug 3, 2006 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
full press conference from TLR...
hopefully this puts some fire into the team. it's about time TLR didn't candy-coat everything.
A-MEN
by ryanisforever on Aug 3, 2006 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
Obvious
by fop197 on Aug 3, 2006 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
Ryan Howard
Pathetic game tonight. No life in this team whatsoever. Only good thing about tonight was are pathetic play royaly screwed ESPNs schedule. Way to go guys! If you are going to suck on national tv, at least do you best to put the screws to ESPN.
Just saw Tony's post game, at least he seamed as pissed off as the rest of us. He didnt even take one question, blew up, and stormed out. Too bad he didnt drop any F Bombs on live tv. That would have been sweet.
What's it going to take for this team to play up to its potential like they did the past two seasons? It's like, to quote Troy Aikman, They are numb to winning. They have done it for so long and just expect it to always happen. And they just go threw the motions and expect wins to, just happen. And thats not how to play winning baseball. This team should be embarrassed with their level of intenseity.
I am a fan for life. But this is getting harder and harder to defend this teams play. I just dont see it. I dont see the fire they used to have. I dont think they are going to make it to the playoffs. And if they do, its one and done.
This is hard to watch. We come back and get within one run, and then the bullpen blows up. How many beatings can this team take before they get pissed off and start playing like they did for the past two seasons? Are they even capiable of doing that? All we have is questions. No answers. This is very very depressing.
I was...
TLR
Albert
The sad thing is that we are going to win...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe to the first,
by deanj on Aug 3, 2006 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This team can beat any team out of the West...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
and
We're gonna be ok, guys. This is a good time for a slump- win tomorrow, then go on a tear next week and take 2 of 3 from MIL and 2 of 4 from CIN and we'll be fine.
I was at the game tonight
Anybody wanna bet
Kidding aside, I think Jeff Weaver may have pitched himself into the unemployment line tonight.
Reyes was in the bullpen this evening because his next start was pushed back a day, to allow Carp to pitch on normal rest. Not a bad idea... try to keep Reyes' arm fresh for the rest of August and September.
Maybe Bi-Polar Betty will drill J-Roll in the ribs to start tomorrow night's game... it'd be different, at least!
P-D website
"Phillies beat Cards to a pulp"
I can't believe a 1st place team has gotten its ass kicked as many times as it has this year!
And how.
by matt reeder on Aug 3, 2006 12:45 AM EDT reply actions
I don't know what it needs
Good thing Marquis is tough on all the lefties the Phils will have in their lineup!
a sign of the times?
he's no steve kline.
or even this cat.
a championship level dirtball.
just for the hell of it. hereally loved being a cardinal, huh?
by sjoshi on Aug 3, 2006 12:57 AM EDT reply actions
Could we see
Pujols
Rolen
Edmonds
Eckstein
Molina
Reyes
Carpenter
Wainwright
Hancock
Duncan
Rodriguez
Spiezio
..and grudgingly, Isringhausen
That's 13 players.
by ryanisforever on Aug 3, 2006 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
Why would you grudingly take back one of the...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If we knew where to get one...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
Bleh
Matheny
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Catcher Mike Matheny has made little progress in his recovery from a concussion and will not play again this season for San Francisco.
After another series of tests and appointments with specialists at the University of Pittsburgh last week, Matheny and the Giants' medical staff made the difficult decision that he should spend the rest of 2006 recovering to reduce the risk of further damage to his brain.
"It's real, and I understand that, and I also understand it's out of my hands," said Matheny, who made the announcement Wednesday after the Giants' 8-6 victory over the Washington Nationals. "I'm at peace with that. ... It's such a weird phenomenon: I look at myself right now and I look as normal as I ever have."
The 35-year-old Matheny, who is on the 60-day disabled list, has been sidelined since May 31 and is still experiencing "fogginess," memory loss, dizzy spells and headaches. He has
walked into a room, for example, and not remembered why he did.
A four-time Gold Glove winner -- including last season in his first year with the Giants -- Matheny was hit in the head several times by foul balls during a three-game series at Florida -- the last one square on his chin.
That's a damn shame...
by The Ol Goaler on Aug 3, 2006 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
First inning leads....
only 3 games
oh, who am I kidding? They'd just relinquish the lead anyways.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 3, 2006 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Weaver's Quote
"That's the way it's going right now," Weaver said. "At times, I feel like I make good pitches and they still hit it out. It's just one of those funks pitchers go through, just like hitters. Sometimes it just takes a pitch right down the middle that's popped up to get you out of the situation. There's really nothing I can put a finger on, other than just working too hard to get guys out."
Seems like he's working on getting that popup a bit too often to me.
Also, Pu's gotta be playing hurt...seen him hit uncharacteristically badly lately, with rally-ending popups and GIDP's. Here's hoping whatever ails him straightens out soon.
by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 3, 2006 6:46 AM EDT reply actions
Weekend pitching
<<<<<<<<<someone say Reyes got pushed back a day? Does that put Carp starting on Sat?>>>>>>>>>>>>
Carp Friday. Reyes Saturday on 6 days rest. Per Bernie:
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=378979
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