Game 121 overflow thread
I'm back in StL for the first time in about a year--actually watching the game on FSN. Reyes down, Preston Wilson on the team. Yawn.
But at least Wilson got a HR in his first game with us, along with Gary Bennett (!) and wünderkind Duncan. Cards up 6-3 through 6. Marquis has yet another ok start (he even seemed to actually possess a sinkerball again, although intermittently). Yay. We get to see more of him. He is totally more deserving to be with the big club than Reyes.
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Reyes will be back
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
YES
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon Adam baby
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
I forgot how grating Al got.
Quick...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Al Hrabosky
Also, his bar sucks.
well
He'll just get more screwed up down there
by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed to either style
by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
WOO!!!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions
What do you think...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
depends on what we do with our offense...
by stlspecialsauce on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You're gonna sit on top of it
C'mon, sing it wit' me now:
"VIVAAAA EL BIRDOS!!"
The fat Elvis, in the white jumpsuit, doing his best Pete Townsend impersonation.
that is...
by Suzanne on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Another funny post...
what can I say?
by Suzanne on Aug 18, 2006 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon Baby Dunc
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Wow....
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
FINALLY
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
The king has spoken...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
On Gameday
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
YES YES ALBERT WOO-HOO!!!!!!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Back to Back
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
BACK TO BACK!!!!!!!! ROLEN!!!!!!!!
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Yea baby
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
I'll tell you what
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
SCOTTTY!!!!!
THIS IS GREAT!!!!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
ALBERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can we please have another?
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Your wish
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to see
Rolen with 2 homers in 2 games. Lovin' it!
Wow!
We sign Preston Wilson and suddenly this team is ignited. It has to be Wilson, right?
You know
I think our guys
And now a Encarnastyon 1B.
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
See, I typed too fast
gonna have to keep 2 screens going...
THIS FEELS SO GOOD!!!
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 18, 2006 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
I am SO happy
BWAHAHAHAHA
<sees Wilson got out>
Ah, damn.
Who CARES? This is AWESOME!!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
RONNNIE
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
WTF!??!?!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
This is FUN
This
I can not wait
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
Or SportsCenter...
Best. Inning. Ever.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
pull Wainwright...
I think
you can't overstate the importance
by stlspecialsauce on Aug 18, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
5 HR today
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
Right
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
Hitters 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 through 7
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
wow
by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolen's was a high, arching shot...
Yahoo sports lists
Duncan
by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
He doesn't...
However, if he gets another hit in the 8th, giving him 4 straight 3 hit games...people will start talking.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no minimum plate appearances....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 18, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong...there are minimum requirements:
In order to qualify for the award a player must have accumulated, prior to the season under consideration:
* Fewer than 130 at bats and 50 innings pitched in the major leagues or
* Fewer than 45 days on the active rosters of major league clubs (excluding time on the disabled list or any time after rosters are expanded on September 1)
Better think again...
You made my point exactly.....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
......Odd.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
Tony is probably..
Yeah, that is strange...
no one left on the bench...
There is Yadi
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with an earlier post...
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
SO
by Suzanne on Aug 18, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
Great stat...
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Collision at home
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Duncan in the 8th
Bets on how he gets it?
by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
Sadly, yes...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
called one already but...
by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Weird
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
And which game...
I'm with you
by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Mabry was nice...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
first pitch tickets
If you get there an hour before
It can be difficult to find more than a pair together, BTW.
no idea about the Cubs, but
speaking o f 1968
by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
Crap...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
McCann is better...
i'd put Lo Duca up there. and Russell Martin and David Ross have both been awesome this year.
No
plus, his catcher's ERA for the staff is much higher than that of hte backup catcher, Blanco.
It seems to me that
This is a really short bench. I would assume we will see Spivey?
We are going to need a infielder...
Can Spivey play short?
I think that we have to bring up someone who plays short. We can't have 3 2B on the roster.
Brenden Ryan
by cards19 on Aug 18, 2006 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Ryan...
TJ in.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
He does have a NASTY slider..
He turned 25
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hancock in to finish things off.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
Foul ball of his foot
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
Gzuh. Mabry.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
Well, we did have to see that
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
if Wilson can get to his 25+ HR form
Eck
Duncan
Pujols
JEd
Rolen
Wilson
Enc
Belliard
Molina
nice lineup
by cards19 on Aug 18, 2006 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm talking 'bout a World Series Apperance
And that's a winner!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
BUT....
it's ok
by cards19 on Aug 18, 2006 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
a foul off the foot
I think...
Spivey is strickly a 2B, right? If so, we already have two 2Bs on the squad, we don't need another.
I didn't think Juan was injured. He finished his AB after fouling the pitch off his toe. I think Tony brought in Taguchi for defensive purposes.
i really do miss LUNA by now......
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point...
Belly seems to be coming around but Luna would haved filled our SS problem nicely.
You're right, J-Rod for Belly would have been good. With Duncan playing lights out, never would have missed J-Rod.
Yeah
No...
With Ecks injury. Belly at 2B, Luna at SS and Miles on the bench.
p.s. I'm not saying that the Indians would have done this deal but hey, ya never know.
agree with you
and luna is only 25... :(
and lets not forget he made some dazzzzzling plays against houston when nunez went out with that knee to thigh injury...
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't wanna complain
i hardly want miles coming off the bench
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wathan
GREAT to see the birds SHINE
Way to go Birds!!
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
Wow... a win at Wrigley...
by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 18, 2006 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
Just a bit of info
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
not quite genetic
by sjoshi on Aug 18, 2006 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Mookie
P.S. I've NEVER been so happy to get back to my desk after a 2-hour meeting! Lets keep it rolling tomorrow!
by EBroglio on Aug 18, 2006 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i doubt it was bad karma on our side..
just good karma for them....
bad fortune on our side... and we didn't have carp for that 1st game which could have made a world of difference..
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
IN august...
Prince Albert - 68 AB / .368 / 3hr / 10 rbi / 1.067 OPS
COULDN'T ask for a better suprise player than Chris...
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
You want to get pissed off?
I love ESPN
Its almost like they want to make ALL either a Yankee or a RedSox fan....
I doubt majority of the U.S. outside of the northeast really care that much about the 2 teams for them to be making 4 of their 5 games this weekend nationally televised with NONE of the Cards-Cubs on national TV
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I USED to love espn
Ocassionally, they'll run something useful or interesting on otl, and I like the fact that they broadcast baseball (which at this point, I almost always mute), but that's about it.
Give me the food network almost anytime.
Well, I don't watch the food network...
Red Sox Yankees
On a brighter note.
Gibson
Musial
Pujols
Ozzie
for hometown heroes.... How can one choose just one???
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
A better question is how was Rogers ....
My family worships at the shrine that is Stan Musial, but Roger may be the best player of all time. His 1922 season of 42 HRs and .401 avg is probably the best single season of all time (unless you want to argue his 1924 season of 25 HRs and ,424 avg was).
By the way, when he hit 42 HRs in '22, the second highest HR total was 26, followed by 17.
.401 avg plus 42 HRs in the deadball erea----you don't get better than that.
by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Homerun differential
Whew!
so much for clean-shaven yankees
by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
Yankees under George
The question looms
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
I rather play with 8 on the field rather than play
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 18, 2006 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing
Maybe we can coax Rey Sanchez out of retirement
Any other ideas?
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 18, 2006 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
Wilson
Preston Wilson...
I just don't like the platooning philosophy. How can you get a guy to be consitantly hot at the plate when he's not consitantly in the lineup? If Edmonds gets hot...my feeling is...Wilson in and Encarnacion out. That's only if we can get Wilson to return to form. That's a real tough call though. I really think investing in Duncan is a good thing however. Even if he slumps...he's showing now that he can be serious stock for the future.
If we go with the game plan of using Wilson as a "power off the bench" guy (pending Edmond's return)...I'll be real interested to see if Wilson can get back and stay in his career form. Glad I don't have to make that decision!
by jose smokeindo on Aug 19, 2006 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Off subject
by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
Stu Pomeranz
An American League Nightmere...
by jose smokeindo on Aug 19, 2006 1:27 AM EDT reply actions
Why Walt Jocketty is Walt Jocketty.....
With the right amount of luck, Walt Jocketty put together a Cardinals team for the final 3 months of the season that can win games. Sure, he didn't get the players he wanted or pulled off the big trade he was hoping for, but he saw the market he had in front of him and made the best moves possible.
We weren't getting anything out of the 2B position. Miles was the bane of many bloggers existence and Hector Luna just wasn't progressing fast enough in his minimal playing time to warrant TLR's confidence. So he goes out and makes a small trade that seemingly was a lateral move. What does it turn out to be? An everyday 2B with a little bit of pop, a head for driving in runs on occasion, with still a bit of tendancy to ground into a DP or two, but likewise is better defensively than anything we've had at the position in a long time.
The bench was seemingly depleted because of our bare outfield. We had a bunch of 4A players that were being thrown into everyday situations and asked to perform. Meanwhile, the one seemingly rocksteady position in CF was oft-injured in 2006. By necessity, they bring up Duncan. This is were the amazing amount of luck comes in. Chris Duncan finally blossomed and became a true big league ballplayer. Scott Speizo could return to his role of utility player
Then comes the John Rodriguez injury. Coupled with JED's injury, we are forced to run So Taguchi out there in CF every night. Not good. So Walt takes a flyer on someone else's failed project. Preston Wilson. He gave us something we have seriously lacked: Speed. No more pitcher pinch-runners. In Game 6 of the NLCS with Chris Duncan standing on 2B, Pujols on 1st and Rolen ripping a single into CF, Preston Wilson as a pinchrunner can be the differnce between basesloaded for JED or the Cardinals celebrating a World Series berth. In the meantime, he's a seemingly easy going guy who just wants an opportunity to play. And with our oft-injured OF, that's what he'll get.
So, now...suddenly we have a MLB caliber OF (JED, Duncan, Juan and Preston) with a good, core bench (Taguchi, Rodriguez, Bennett, Miles, Speizo) should we carry only the minimum pitchers.
Ah, on to the pitchers.
Well, Mark Mulder still isn't back. In fact, who knows if he'll ever pitch again. Walt saw that we had a scrap heap 5th starter and decided that he saw something else in the can that might just work if Duncan could work his philsophy of moving the ball around as he did with Carp. And, so far, it seems to be catching hold. Jeff Weaver will never be the level of pitcher Chris Carpenter is. NEVER. However, I'll be damned if he didn't look like Carp out there on the mound. Sure, he wasn't as sharp and a few flyballs were a tad deeper than Carp would give up, but he was moving the ball up, down, in and out over the plate the way only Carpenter seems to do in the rotation.
Then, the steal of all steals is Jorge Sosa. Other teams doghouses are a treasure trove. Sosa has the love for giving up the longball as well as any other Cardinals pitcher. What he does have that they DON'T is a live arm. A real fireballer that just gets the ball and throw. He can come in an a pinch or he can give you 3 innings of 'mop up' or 'get to XXXX' work. Suddenly, Sosa, Wainwright, Looper and Izzy in a postseason game looks pretty nasty.
Now, I'm not saying Walt Jocketty cured the Cardinals of their ailments or even has made this into a great team. However, when we seemed DEAD in the water and down to the last bit of rations, he plugged a few holes, patched the rutter and raised the sail. We are back out at sea when even the captain of the ship was seemingly look for a life boat.
And that's why Walt Jocketty is Walt Jocketty.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:00 AM EDT reply actions
Did I mention
by heart cards on Aug 19, 2006 6:01 AM EDT reply actions
I have yet...
A lot of you who are complaining, blasting and dooming the ownership are people I have tons of respect for on most baseball issues.
But, I just don't get it. I'm no homer fan. I'm a saberhead and consider myself a baseball realist.
What better could we have done with the money that wouldn't tank us for the next two years?
If DeWittt and Co leave, how many ownerships are out there who would expand our payroll? It's near the top as it is. Second highest in the NL. You guys think the glorified Busch's would have us nearing a $100 mill? Look at the newest ownership groups...Washington, Milwaukee, etc. Anyone see them skyrocketing up the payroll heirarchy? Be careful what you wish for. I seriously doubt we would have the $120 million dollar payroll everyone thinks we deserve if Bill sold.
I guess I would like to challange all of you who keep rolling your eyes at every move to put your type where your mouth is. I don't think it's possible. Even in hindsight, I don't believe you can build a much better team than we have now within 5 or 6 million of our current budget using players who have been available.
I actually wish they had done less than they have. I think all your complaining has brought us Belliard and JEnc. Two guys replaceable with guys who make the minimum.
I also surprised at all the talk about how this isn't a playoff dominant team. I thought there were a lot of statheads here? How about acknowledging the folly of putting all your eggs in a basket and going for it all? Grab an Abreu or a Soriano at the asking price and see just how much it would increase our chances in the playoffs. Then look at what it would do to our future. Statistically, the playoffs are nothing but a crapshoot. The best overall team has only won one time since the inception of the Wild Card format. Yet, we are doomed before the playoffs even get here? Pffft.
I'll be waiting to see what you guys think you could have done with the money.
Agreed
Then you're left with the question whether the stated budget ($90+ million) is reasonable, given the new stadium. With a higher budget, one would need to do less budget bin scrounging. I know there's lots of debate about how much the payroll budget should be. The city in the end didn't help much with the stadium, if I remember right. My question is how the new Busch revenues compare to the mortgage they're paying on it (roughly $350 million?). If there is a huge surplus here, then I'm happy to join the complaints and say a raise the budget. But I'd like to see some calculations along these lines.
Brilliant
by vince eating tarp on Aug 19, 2006 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
PS
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/defense_over_the_last_twenty_years/
and Dial is a renowned StL hater.
and the follow up article
A nice no brainer mention analyzes how good Rolen is also.
BP wasn't as much fun to read...
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5436&PHPSESSID=cc292660205e2c9df3ffd89a8d383 f2e

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