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Game 121 overflow thread

I'm back in StL for the first time in about a year--actually watching the game on FSN.  Reyes down, Preston Wilson on the team.  Yawn.

But at least Wilson got a HR in his first game with us, along with Gary Bennett (!) and wünderkind Duncan.  Cards up 6-3 through 6.  Marquis has yet another ok start (he even seemed to actually possess a sinkerball again, although intermittently).  Yay.  We get to see more of him.  He is totally more deserving to be with the big club than Reyes.

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Reyes will be back
When the rosters expand, have no fear.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

YES
You have to be on the Roster by August 31st to be on the playoff team. He has over 10 days to come back just in case.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...
Well yea. But if they want to use him in the playoffs, they can just put one of the other pitchers on the DL.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Adam baby
A 1-2-3 would be huge.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I forgot how grating Al got.
Yes, you DO have to win the first one to sweep.  Thanks for reminding me.

by Valatan on Aug 18, 2006 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Quick...
someone let TLR know that.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Al Hrabosky
During Wilson's at bat it was a 3-2 count and Preston had fouled off about 4 pitches, and Al just kept babbeling on and on about the bullpen. "YOURE MISSING A HELL OF AN AT BAT!" I yelled in vain at the TV. Wilson hits a homer, Dan interupts Al to call it, and then it was right back to him rambeling on about the bullpen.

Also, his bar sucks.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2006 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

well
Reyes should be able to pitch better down in Memphis than he did in St. Louis. Its easier to deliver a pitch when you dont have hundreds of vivaelbirdos posters' lips firmly attached to your hind end ;)
SUBURBS: Where Americans cut down trees and then name streets after them.

by beanocook on Aug 18, 2006 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

He'll just get more screwed up down there
unless they get Dyar Miller on the same page as Duncan. Miller keeps telling him to forget about the two seamer and then Dunc tells him different. Just get on the same page whatever you do.

by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

well
He had some ups and downs as a rookie big league pitcher. Pretty much par for the course for many big leaguers.

Why would Reyes be any different?

SUBURBS: Where Americans cut down trees and then name streets after them.

by beanocook on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan
suggested he forget the two-seamer, too; he just wants him to try to keep the ball down.

by DanUpBaby on Aug 18, 2006 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be opposed to either style
just whatever is working for him and whatever he feels more comfortable with.

by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOO!!!
God, I love Adam. The kid is just nails.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

YEAH WAINWRIGHT!
That was big!  Got through the meat of the lineup on unscathed.  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

What do you think...
Adam for the 7th?
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It would be the smart move.... yes..
so NO...Tony will take him out for Tyler Johnson .....

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on what we do with our offense...
but i think we should get hancock in there.  keep adam fresh, he's arguably our best reliever, and he's young so we gotta keep him fresh for september and october.

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I see
one more shot of the air show, I'm gonna pull an Elvis on my tv...

by cardsrul on Aug 18, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

try...
listening it to them on the friggin' radio!

by ArachNerd on Aug 18, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon, sing it wit' me now:
"VIVAAAA EL BIRDOS!!"

"VIVAAAA EL BIRDOS!!"

The fat Elvis, in the white jumpsuit, doing his best Pete Townsend impersonation.

by Solanus on Aug 18, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is...
BY FAR the funniest thing I have read all day.

by Suzanne on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad
I was able to bring you out of your four-months-without-a-comment drought.

by Solanus on Aug 18, 2006 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

what can I say?
There are only so many bad baseball games I can watch... and even fewer day games that my boss is out of the office. : )

by Suzanne on Aug 18, 2006 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Baby Dunc
Insurance runs are never a bad thing.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

There goes Dunc again
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow....
Just...wow... Can we keep him?
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

He must
be a 33 year old veteran. We've read on here thousands of times how Tony won't play young guys ;)
SUBURBS: Where Americans cut down trees and then name streets after them.

by beanocook on Aug 18, 2006 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

FINALLY
Dunc and AP make them pay!!!!!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

The king has spoken...
and he is angry.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

On Gameday
The Cubs pitcher looks like he seriously just overdosed on amphetamines.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

YES YES ALBERT WOO-HOO!!!!!!
THE WRIGLEY CURSE IS DEAD!
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert must've heard
people complaining about his swing

by cyclone on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Back to Back
Rolennnnnnnn!
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

how far
did that go?

by the way....

F*@# Yeah

by Arambar on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea baby
Thank you sir may I have another!

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH MY GOD...
...what happened to the 2006 Cardinals?

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll tell you what
The 2006 Cubs turned into the 2006 Cubs.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow
This is VERY encouraging.

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

SCOTTTY!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

THIS IS GREAT!!!!

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

ALBERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahh. that feels so much better
Can we please have another?
I'm going to my happy place now.

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Your wish
is Scotty's command!
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

where'd all this offense come from?
also: second straight game with a long drive inning winner.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to see
Our big bats at work in this game.

Rolen with 2 homers in 2 games.  Lovin' it!

by dccardsfan on Aug 18, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow!
What's different with this team?

We sign Preston Wilson and suddenly this team is ignited. It has to be Wilson, right?

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You know
I actually think it may have something to do with it.  Teams get pumped when management does things to help them.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think our guys
are getting the ball up into the backdraft of these Blue Angels flyovers.
And now a Encarnastyon 1B.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

See, I typed too fast
And then Scotty goes yard...
gonna have to keep 2 screens going...
THIS FEELS SO GOOD!!!
I'm going to my happy place now.

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 18, 2006 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I am SO happy
I set the DVR to record this game today....I know what I'll be doing later tonight...ahhh...

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

BWAHAHAHAHA
<breathes>

<sees Wilson got out>

Ah, damn.

Who CARES? This is AWESOME!!

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

RONNNIE
Everyone is getting in on it today.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Now Belliard 2 run HR
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

haha
ohhhhhhhhh babbbbyyy

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF!??!?!
SNOW. CONES. IN HELL!!!!
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

ALL FLAVORS!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is FUN
We should play like this every day.

by dccardsfan on Aug 18, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

This
This powerfil form of Cardinal baseball is one that I have sorely missed. . . and I sure hope it's back to stay.

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Mini Manny!
can we please face Aardsma every day?

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Home run derby
At least could we get Aardsma to pitch in the home run derby next year.

WOW

by madridbend on Aug 18, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can not wait
for  the replay on FSMW tonight (assuming we dont somehow blow this)
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Or SportsCenter...
after the 3 hours of Bristol fellating Boston and New York, of course.

by craig3410 on Aug 18, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes...
I'm starting to remember why I love this game so much!

by ArachNerd on Aug 18, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Best. Inning. Ever.
Of course, on the flip side, this means TLR will take out Wainwright and put in TJ instead.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

pull Wainwright...
... this is game 1 of the series. i want him available tomorrow, if possible. put in Hancock or somebody.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I think
I think I just shed a few tears today. Its feels so good inside.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

you can't overstate the importance
of yesterday's win.  HUGE, exactly the gut-check we needed.  sooooo happy right now!  what a nice way to start off the weekend, now if i could only get out of the office and pop open a few buds.

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 18, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

5 HR today
Baby Dunc, El Hombre, Scotty, Ronnie, and BENNETT... and it ain't over yet.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Right
How could I do that? 6 HR? Wow. The 2006 Cardinals? Wow.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um
Shouldn't we be saving Wainwright? Aren't times like these why we traded for Sosa?

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly!
Sit Wainwright.. save him for later in the series.  Don't use Sosa either.. he's proved to be one of our better guys so far.

Bring in TJ.. get him some work.  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like
Adam is staying in. Grr. That was a good idea before we had all this insurance. I want him in the pen tomorrow.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Looper
Atleast it's not Wainwright.  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles
is the only one without a hit yet...

by atotheron on Aug 18, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
The home runs I have seen have all been crushed too. I missed Pujols and Rolen's but the other ones were no doubters.

by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen's was a high, arching shot...
... but Pujols might've killed someone out in the center. it was crushed, and it was still rising when it hit the seats.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yahoo sports lists
almost all the home runs as being to "deep center" or "deep left center."   Kinda weird.

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan
How many ab's does little Dunc need to be considered for rookie of the year?

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He doesn't...
...there is no qualification for ROY.  It's up to the writers.  He has more than qualified, but I doubt he will get it as there are a few guys with higher totals for the season.

However, if he gets another hit in the 8th, giving him 4 straight 3 hit games...people will start talking.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no minimum plate appearances....
requirement. There is a number, which I forget, that if you exceed you are no longer a rookie.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 18, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong...there are minimum requirements:
ROY qualifications:

In order to qualify for the award a player must have accumulated, prior to the season under consideration:

    * Fewer than 130 at bats and 50 innings pitched in the major leagues or
    * Fewer than 45 days on the active rosters of major league clubs (excluding time on the disabled list or any time after rosters are expanded on September 1)

by cardsrul on Aug 18, 2006 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better think again...
Those are MAXIMUM, not minimum, requirements.  There are no minimums.

by Perry on Aug 18, 2006 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well
Unfortunately Dan Uggla and Johnson from Marlins are in the same league as us.

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

......Odd.
Adam hits for himself, then they put in Blooper.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Tony is probably..
Saving the bench.. Another inning and he will probably sub out Pujols, Rolen, etc.. That's my only guess.  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that is strange...
hope he didn't injury himself sprinting to first. I shouldn't even be thinking that.

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one left on the bench...
... cept for Gooch. Spiezio is still hurting, JED is still a no-go, Timo and Miles have already been used. we don't need a hit, so bat Wainwright and save the other guys in case you need a defense replacement.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is Yadi
but I'm sure he isn't playing today now.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looper's head
must explode whenever he faces lefties with runners on base.

by Solanus on Aug 18, 2006 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with an earlier post...
That bringing Wilson in may be having some positive effect on the other players.  If for nothing else that it is a sign that the owners and mgt. are at least making a effort to win.  It doesn't hurt that Wilson is having a hell of a game as well.  And there does seem to be a lot more potential offense in the bottom of the lineup.  And I'm not saying he does it everyday but the "potential" will be there.  
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

SO
Cards have struck out ONCE this entire game.  What a great game!

by Suzanne on Aug 18, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Great stat...
Didn't realize that.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quick Question
I was gone for the first 3 innings, what happened to Eck?

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Collision at home
with Barrett.  They reported he left with a strained oblique
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes
That's not good. I can't imagine Eck in a collision, that must not've been pretty.

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Man!
I wish I coulda seen that play @ 2nd!

by ArachNerd on Aug 18, 2006 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan in the 8th
They just mentioned on the radio that the cards haven't had a player get 3 hits in 4 straight games since, like, 1968.

Bets on how he gets it?

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Double...
Down the left field line.

That's my bet anyway!

by ArachNerd on Aug 18, 2006 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, yes...
3-pitch strikeout.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

called one already but...
Already called one this game, but I'm going to say he does it with a homer.

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay - I change my mind
I bet he strikes out on 3 straight pitches! LOL!

by ArachNerd on Aug 18, 2006 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird
Has anyone noticed how the Bosox/Yanks game has been mirroring ours? The scores have been almost exactly parallel the entire time.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah
i just noticed it when you pointed it out but yeah that is odd
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And which game...
do you think ESPN's gonna use three-quarters of their show blathering about?

by craig3410 on Aug 18, 2006 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know he's not "great"...
but I still like Mabry - even with that damn "C" on his hat.

by ArachNerd on Aug 18, 2006 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm with you
I wish he were still with the Cards.

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mabry was nice...
But he's hitting .217 this year, and the last thing we need on this team is more crappy hitters. :|
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He
only signed with the Cubs so he could take Mark Grace's number and piss off Cubs fans.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2006 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

first pitch tickets
i've been down for this many times but never for a weekend or a cubs game. any idea as to what time i should get there next weekend to make sure i get tickets?
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

If you get there an hour before
game time, you should have plenty of time to wander around and find the best tickets.

It can be difficult to find more than a pair together, BTW.

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

no idea about the Cubs, but
I went for a Saturday noon game (against LAD) and people arriving at 8:20ish were able to get tickets.  If you're really determined, why not bring some knitting and come super-early to wait it out.  Wait, maybe that's just me. : )

by Elle on Aug 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking o f 1968
Looper is still pitching?  When was the last time he made it through 2 scoreless innings?

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch
missed that one.

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap...
I wish our catchers could hit as well as Barrett. Guy is a machine.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he
Along with that kid in Atlanta, McCann?...are the best all around catchers in the NL.

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCann is better...
... higher average and about the same power, plus better defense.

i'd put Lo Duca up there. and Russell Martin and David Ross have both been awesome this year.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No
Unless you don't count defense.  He's entirely mediocre or worse on defense.

plus, his catcher's ERA for the staff is much higher than that of hte backup catcher, Blanco.

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to me that
either Eck or JED are going to have to go to the DL, unless Eck is ready to play tomorrow, which I really doubt.

This is a really short bench.  I would assume we will see Spivey?

by OCCardsFan on Aug 18, 2006 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

We are going to need a infielder...
I think we might see Spivey if Spezio can't play any time soon..

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought
Spezio was cleared to play.  Per TLR during yesterdays post game press conference: "he's okay.. he'll play in Chicago"

.. or something like that.  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Spivey play short?
If Eck is out, I think we'll bring up John Nelson or Derek Wathan. Both can play SS. Nelson has some power but not much else. Wathan is a career minor leaguer who has never seen the bigs.

I think that we have to bring up someone who plays short. We can't have 3 2B on the roster.

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brenden Ryan
Brenden Ryan is the only middle infielder on the 40 man roster not in the bigs. But he is in Palm Beach rehabing and hasn't ever been above AA

by cards19 on Aug 18, 2006 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot about Ryan...
Good prospect but I agree that he is not ready.

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

TJ in.
An 8-run lead should probably be safe, lol. I actually like the kid, but he doesn't exactly engender overwhelming confidence.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

He does have a NASTY slider..
If he could find some control I think he may be good for us in years to come.  He's young right?  Anyone have is age?

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He turned 25
in June.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

what happened?
I am watching gameday.

by Suzanne on Aug 18, 2006 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Juan
fouled one off his foot, then rolled around for a few seconds. weinberg checked him out, but he's okay. just looked like it hurt a lot.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hancock in to finish things off.
Wow. This is good. This feels really good.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Foul ball of his foot
went down like a ton of bricks and stayed there for a while.  Did get up and hit it hard but right at the shortstop.  
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

oh God
That was ugly.  Please tell me Preston is better at D than that lol

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Gzuh. Mabry.
Whatever... I'm feeling magnaminous.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, we did have to see that
Wilson got turned around on the Mabry double.  Still a tough play.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

That's a Winner!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

if Wilson can get to his 25+ HR form
And we can somehow make it to the WS, I think that gives us some good damange possibilities (yeah, that kinda sounds like tremendous upside potential) through the line-up than we may have had in the past couple of years -- i.e. no big dropoff.

Eck
Duncan
Pujols
JEd
Rolen
Wilson
Enc
Belliard
Molina

by jimstllax on Aug 18, 2006 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

nice lineup
Nice lineup but last time i checked there are only eight position players

by cards19 on Aug 18, 2006 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm talking 'bout a World Series Apperance
If we make it through the mediocrity of the NL. Unless Wilson can also pitch...

by jimstllax on Aug 18, 2006 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that's a winner!
I am suddenly feeling much better about this series than I was before.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright!q
Great job boys.  Go get 'em tomorrow!

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

BUT....
What about the injuries to Eck...to Juan E...today..?....both of those sound like they could keep them on the bench for awhile. That could really make this great win...a costly one.

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

it's ok
Eck might be hurt pretty bad and that will hurt this team, but Jaun will be fine. Players foul balls off themselves all the time and play the next day.

by cards19 on Aug 18, 2006 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

a foul off the foot
might...and I repeat..Might feel okay today...but it could really hurt tomorrow or the next day...that is what I'm hoping didn't happen with Juan. Now I didn't watch the game yet, so I didn't actually see what happened.

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think...
we need more of a utility guy as a sub for Eck. Maybe John Nelson. He's played SS all year for Memphis. Maybe Derek Wathan or God forbid, Bo Hart.

Spivey is strickly a 2B, right? If so, we already have two 2Bs on the squad, we don't need another.

I didn't think Juan was injured. He finished his AB after fouling the pitch off his toe. I think Tony brought in Taguchi for defensive purposes.

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really do miss LUNA by now......
i wish we could have thrown in maybe miles and someone like So taguchi or even J Rod for Belliard.... And we would still have the supersub we desperately need if Eckstein misses the same 3-4 weeks Albert missed for his strained oblique

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point...
Yep, Luna sure would be valuable right now.

Belly seems to be coming around but Luna would haved filled our SS problem nicely.

You're right, J-Rod for Belly would have been good. With Duncan playing lights out, never would have missed J-Rod.

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
But if you do that, Miles starts at second base anyway. Pick your poison. Weeks afterward, that trade we made is starting to grow on me. . .

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...
J-Rod for Belly, straight up. Then we would still have Luna.

With Ecks injury. Belly at 2B, Luna at SS and Miles on the bench.

p.s. I'm not saying that the Indians would have done this deal but hey, ya never know.

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah
J-Rod's gonna be a star.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with you
Luna would be a big asset to this club if Eck is out for a extended period of time.  I am not looking forward to seeing MILES as a everyday SS at this stage of the season for sure. Not only do we get a far inferior glove at the most impportant infield position, but we lose our lead off batter for a guy who is no where near being talented enough for that responsibility.

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

and luna is only 25... :(
and it always seemed like Luna was the little brother Albert always looked out for..

and lets not forget he made some dazzzzzling plays against houston when nunez went out with that knee to thigh injury...

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wathan
is a pure utility guy -- he plays all four infield positions and is a switch hitter.  Hasn't hit for average lately, but he's got some pop.

by whopperman on Aug 18, 2006 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

GREAT to see the birds SHINE
especially against the CUBS... that just swept the astros.. the same astros that threw out Oswalt, Clemens, and Pettite, and Lidge who blew a save...

Way to go Birds!!

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow... a win at Wrigley...
I'm staying in tonight.  Don't want to walk out the door and get randomly hit by a frozen blue brick of urine from a passing airplane or something equally as likely.

by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 18, 2006 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a bit of info
I did not see brought up before.  Perhaps, I missed it but if not, Preston Wilson is the son of an old Mets nemesis, Mookie Wilson.  Good baseball genes.  Not that it matters, just thought it was kind of interesting.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Nephew and stepson, actually
If he learned from Mookie, he should be OK

by madridbend on Aug 18, 2006 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

not quite genetic
he's mookie's adopted stepson.

by sjoshi on Aug 18, 2006 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Mookie
Hit the famous Buckner Ball?  Or score on the play or something?  Maybe acquiring Preston was what we needed to shake off the bad karma from the '04 series?

P.S.  I've NEVER been so happy to get back to my desk after a 2-hour meeting!  Lets keep it rolling tomorrow!

by EBroglio on Aug 18, 2006 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt it was bad karma on our side..
the RedSox were just one some kind of a mission with EVERYthing going their way..... coming back from 3 down and being down in the 4th game till their last at bat.....

just good karma for them....

bad fortune on our side... and we didn't have carp for that 1st game which could have made a world of difference..

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup
Mookie hit the Buckner ball on which the winning run scored, and was also at the plate when Stanley threw the wild pitch (that should have been a passed ball, but never mind) that tied it.

by Perry on Aug 18, 2006 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

IN august...
Chris Duncan - 53 AB / .415 / 6hr / 10 rbi / 1.287 OPS

Prince Albert - 68 AB / .368 / 3hr / 10 rbi / 1.067 OPS

COULDN'T ask for a better suprise player than Chris...

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

You want to get pissed off?
Go to the ESPN.com site right now...What's the top story?...why the Yankees huge win over the Red Sox of COURSE!...along with about 3-4 other Yank/Sox related stories ...Not ONE BLESSED WORD of the Cards win today and news of their offensive explosion today.  I'm so SICK of it..

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I love ESPN
but they are so biased....

Its almost like they want to make ALL either a Yankee or a RedSox fan....

I doubt majority of the U.S. outside of the northeast really care that much about the 2 teams for them to be making 4 of their 5 games this weekend nationally televised with NONE of the Cards-Cubs on national TV

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I USED to love espn
but they're horses**t, pure and simple.  Simultaneously glorifying and deriding bonds, ridiculous attention to sox/yanx, substandard on-air personalities (everett, t. martinez, lebetard, whitlock, bayless...the list is endless), substandard baseball announcers (miller, morgan, thorne (a hockey guy)), overblown self-promotion.  

Ocassionally, they'll run something useful or interesting on otl, and I like the fact that they broadcast baseball (which at this point, I almost always mute), but that's about it.  

Give me the food network almost anytime.

by sdesserman on Aug 18, 2006 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red Sox Yankees
pennant chase. that really is big news. the cubs got bombed on. it's great for us but what else is new to the rest of the baseball world?

by erik on Aug 18, 2006 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just
the same song, different year. Deal with it folks; Sawx/Yank$ are, and always will be, bigger news.

by cardsrul on Aug 18, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a brighter note.
Brock

Gibson

Musial

Pujols

Ozzie

for hometown heroes.... How can one choose just one???

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

A better question is how was Rogers ....
...Hornsby left off the list.

My family worships at the shrine that is Stan Musial, but Roger may be the best player of all time. His 1922 season of 42 HRs and .401 avg is probably the best single season of all time (unless you want to argue his 1924 season of 25 HRs and ,424 avg was).

By the way, when he hit 42 HRs in '22, the second highest HR total was 26, followed by 17.

.401 avg plus 42 HRs in the deadball erea----you don't get better than that.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 19, 2006 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Homerun differential
Today's outburst made me remember lboros' very illuminating post of perhaps about a month ago that compared the Cards' woeful homerun differential to the league and to playoff teams of the recent past.  Does anyone have at their fingertips where we stand after today's six dingers?  And are we perhaps coming back into line with teams with deep playoff runs in the past?  (As I recall our only reason for hope with the earlier numbers was the 2002 Angels -- in other words, not much hope.)  Wish I were enough of a sabr-type to do this for myself; but I thought I'd ask...

by jfs on Aug 18, 2006 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Whew!
What a game. Nice to see the Cubs play like the Cubs for once. It was driving me nuts how their play never failed to improve several levels just because they were playing the Birds. Let's hope they stay the Cubs for the last five games of the season.

by rockin redbird on Aug 18, 2006 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

so much for clean-shaven yankees
i swear both Johnny Damon and Jason Giambi both looked like they haven't shaven in a couple of days

by cubHATER on Aug 18, 2006 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yankees under George
Moustache is ok, beard isn't, IIRC.

by SirVLCIV on Aug 18, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question looms
Who leads off now?  Miles or Belliard would be my guess for the obvious possibilities.  Perhaps Spezio can play short and then I'd guess Belliard.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I rather play with 8 on the field rather than play
Miles at short and have him lead off. But Im afraid there is no other option at this point.

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 18, 2006 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing
that's what tlr will do, but I'd prefer to see belly lead off and miles go back to batting 8th where he was before.

by sdesserman on Aug 18, 2006 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can coax Rey Sanchez out of retirement
its either that or4 Jose Vizcaino. Yuck!!!!! I hope Eck is not injured to badly.

Any other ideas?

by Poooo Daddy on Aug 18, 2006 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilson
This might've been brought up already, but personally I find it really exciting about us getting Preston Wilson because if he can get back to his pre-injury, pre-downfall status, he could be huge. He used to be an agressive baserunner AND a power hitter. We NEED that. I'm so happy that he stole a base today. If we can start striking fear on the base paths that'll be a big deal.

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Preston Wilson...
kind of gets you the same feel as having Reggie Sanders back on the team.  I haven't really followed him for his career but looking at his stats...I don't see a reason why he couldn't have better Stl stats as Sanders.  Shoot...w/ as good as his #'s have been in the past couple years, I'd like to see him an everyday player even with Edmonds at full health- (not gonna happen- btw).  That just leaves you with a little dilema...  You don't want to platoon Duncan and I'd hate seeing you platoon Encarnacion.  If Edmonds wasn't being so soft I'd say the same about him.  
  I just don't like the platooning philosophy.  How can you get a guy to be consitantly hot at the plate when he's not consitantly in the lineup?  If Edmonds gets hot...my feeling is...Wilson in and Encarnacion out.  That's only if we can get Wilson to return to form.  That's a real tough call though.  I really think investing in Duncan is a good thing however.  Even if he slumps...he's showing now that he can be serious stock for the future.
  If we go with the game plan of using Wilson as a "power off the bench" guy (pending Edmond's return)...I'll be real interested to see if Wilson can get back and stay in his career form.  Glad I don't have to make that decision!

by jose smokeindo on Aug 19, 2006 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
Honestly, I'd really like them to put Edmonds on the DL, because this seems like a serious issue, and I mean, you never wanna risk a guy's health. Now that we have Wilson, we can afford to let him get better.

by aet15 on Aug 19, 2006 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Off subject
But the Columbia MO Little Leaguers are playing on ESPN right now in the LL World Series and I'm pretty sure this kid pitching for them could shore up the Cards bullpen.  Give it a look.  It's fun to watch.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Stu Pomeranz
left after one inning tonight in Springfield. I'm not that high on him as a prospect, but anybody know why he left?

by DanUpBaby on Aug 18, 2006 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

An American League Nightmere...
Even after one heck of an offensive game from the Cards...I'm even more reminded of the spanking the White Sox put on us in the first game of our series with them.  20 something freaking runs was it?!!  I guess if you look at it from the perspective...we're Rocky Balboa and the American league team we could face (pending we make it to the WS) is Ivan Drago...that's not so bad.  They killed Apollo damn it!  They're going down...on their turf too nonetheless!

by jose smokeindo on Aug 19, 2006 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Why Walt Jocketty is Walt Jocketty.....
...The 2006 Cardinals have been a rutterless ship, seemingly riding the high tide and sinking with the sea.  They have a solid ship, but needed a few spare parts here and there to make her seaworthy.

With the right amount of luck, Walt Jocketty put together a Cardinals team for the final 3 months of the season that can win games.  Sure, he didn't get the players he wanted or pulled off the big trade he was hoping for, but he saw the market he had in front of him and made the best moves possible.

We weren't getting anything out of the 2B position.  Miles was the bane of many bloggers existence and Hector Luna just wasn't progressing fast enough in his minimal playing time to warrant TLR's confidence.  So he goes out and makes a small trade that seemingly was a lateral move.  What does it turn out to be?  An everyday 2B with a little bit of pop, a head for driving in runs on occasion, with still a bit of tendancy to ground into a DP or two, but likewise is better defensively than anything we've had at the position in a long time.

The bench was seemingly depleted because of our bare outfield.  We had a bunch of 4A players that were being thrown into everyday situations and asked to perform.  Meanwhile, the one seemingly rocksteady position in CF was oft-injured in 2006.  By necessity, they bring up Duncan.  This is were the amazing amount of luck comes in.  Chris Duncan finally blossomed and became a true big league ballplayer.  Scott Speizo could return to his role of utility player

Then comes the John Rodriguez injury.  Coupled with JED's injury, we are forced to run So Taguchi out there in CF every night.  Not good.  So Walt takes a flyer on someone else's failed project.  Preston Wilson.  He gave us something we have seriously lacked: Speed.  No more pitcher pinch-runners.  In Game 6 of the NLCS with Chris Duncan standing on 2B, Pujols on 1st and Rolen ripping a single into CF, Preston Wilson as a pinchrunner can be the differnce between basesloaded for JED or the Cardinals celebrating a World Series berth.  In the meantime, he's a seemingly easy going guy who just wants an opportunity to play.  And with our oft-injured OF, that's what he'll get.

So, now...suddenly we have a MLB caliber OF (JED, Duncan, Juan and Preston) with a good, core bench (Taguchi, Rodriguez, Bennett, Miles, Speizo) should we carry only the minimum pitchers.

Ah, on to the pitchers.

Well, Mark Mulder still isn't back.  In fact, who knows if he'll ever pitch again.  Walt saw that we had a scrap heap 5th starter and decided that he saw something else in the can that might just work if Duncan could work his philsophy of moving the ball around as he did with Carp.  And, so far, it seems to be catching hold.  Jeff Weaver will never be the level of pitcher Chris Carpenter is.  NEVER.  However, I'll be damned if he didn't look like Carp out there on the mound.  Sure, he wasn't as sharp and a few flyballs were a tad deeper than Carp would give up, but he was moving the ball up, down, in and out over the plate the way only Carpenter seems to do in the rotation.

Then, the steal of all steals is Jorge Sosa.  Other teams doghouses are a treasure trove.  Sosa has the love for giving up the longball as well as any other Cardinals pitcher.  What he does have that they DON'T is a live arm.  A real fireballer that just gets the ball and throw.  He can come in an a pinch or he can give you 3 innings of 'mop up' or 'get to XXXX' work.  Suddenly, Sosa, Wainwright, Looper and Izzy in a postseason game looks pretty nasty.  

Now, I'm not saying Walt Jocketty cured the Cardinals of their ailments or even has made this into a great team.  However, when we seemed DEAD in the water and down to the last bit of rations, he plugged a few holes, patched the rutter and raised the sail.  We are back out at sea when even the captain of the ship was seemingly look for a life boat.

And that's why Walt Jocketty is Walt Jocketty.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2006 3:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Well
that and the birth certificate.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2006 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did I mention
I love the friggin' Cardinals?????  Gone all day.  Thank Jeebus we won!  THIS is the team I love to watch play!  

by heart cards on Aug 19, 2006 6:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I have yet...
to see one single post that defines a legitimate arguement WJ and Bill Dewitt could have built a better team.  

A lot of you who are complaining, blasting and dooming the ownership are people I have tons of respect for on most baseball issues.

But, I just don't get it.  I'm no homer fan.  I'm a saberhead and consider myself a baseball realist.  

What better could we have done with the money that wouldn't tank us for the next two years?  

If DeWittt and Co leave, how many ownerships are out there who would expand our payroll?  It's near the top as it is.  Second highest in the NL.  You guys think the glorified Busch's would have us nearing a $100 mill?  Look at the newest ownership groups...Washington, Milwaukee, etc.  Anyone see them skyrocketing up the payroll heirarchy?  Be careful what you wish for.  I seriously doubt we would have the $120 million dollar payroll everyone thinks we deserve if Bill sold.

I guess I would like to challange all of you who keep rolling your eyes at every move to put your type where your mouth is.  I don't think it's possible.  Even in hindsight, I don't believe you can build a much better team than we have now within 5 or 6 million of our current budget using players who have been available.  

I actually wish they had done less than they have.  I think all your complaining has brought us Belliard and JEnc.  Two guys replaceable with guys who make the minimum.  

I also surprised at all the talk about how this isn't a playoff dominant team.  I thought there were a lot of statheads here?  How about acknowledging the folly of putting all your eggs in a basket and going for it all?  Grab an Abreu or a Soriano at the asking price and see just how much it would increase our chances in the playoffs.  Then look at what it would do to our future.  Statistically, the playoffs are nothing but a crapshoot.  The best overall team has only won one time since the inception of the Wild Card format.  Yet, we are doomed before the playoffs even get here?  Pffft.

I'll be waiting to see what you guys think you could have done with the money.  

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed
I enjoy the fact that the cardinals can afford big contracts to tie up Pujols and Rolen, but otherwise have to look for undervalued, out-of-favor guys and roll the dice.  I enjoy it.  I think it's very risky to tie up big bucks in single players (e.g., Burnett), and don't mind the strategy of solid core + island of lost toys.

Then you're left with the question whether the stated budget ($90+ million) is reasonable, given the new stadium.  With a higher budget, one would need to do less budget bin scrounging.  I know there's lots of debate about how much the payroll budget should be.  The city in the end didn't help much with the stadium, if I remember right.  My question is how the new Busch revenues compare to the mortgage they're paying on it (roughly $350 million?).  If there is a huge surplus here, then I'm happy to join the complaints and say a raise the budget.  But I'd like to see some calculations along these lines.

by ncgostl on Aug 19, 2006 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brilliant
take on the other side of things.  I have felt that way from the start.  Just how many championships have the Yankees won in the last few years.  I believe they will increase the payroll, on the right players.  I think many people have bought into the "headline" guys that ESPN glorifies, but condemn Espn for always covering the flashy side of baseball.  This organization likes blue collar types and so do their fans.
"The good Lord was good to me. He gave me a strong body, a good right arm, and a weak mind." -Dizzy Dean

by vince eating tarp on Aug 19, 2006 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

and the follow up article
Ranks the Weapon as the best defensive second baseman of the last 20 years!

A nice no brainer mention analyzes how good Rolen is also.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/defense_over_the_last_twenty_years_pa rt_two/

by RedbirdRay on Aug 19, 2006 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

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