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Game 121 Open Thread: August 18, 2006

the glaring omission in derrick goold's article on the unrest in cardinal nation is any acknowledgment from any team official --- dewitt, lamping, anyone --- that the product is substandard this year. two 8-game losing streaks; blowout losses in marquee games; series losses / sweeps vs terrible teams (cubs royals pirates) --- they should be as disappointed in the cardinals as we are.

but judging from dewitt and lamping's comments in goold's article, they seem to regard the problem as mainly one of fans' heightened (read: unrealistic) expectations, rather than any failure on the organization's part to field a team that is worthy of a passionate fan base. sure, it's a "first-place" team --- but st louis fans are not stupid. and don't really like being treated as such.

i disagree strongly with the sentiments voiced at the end of that article, viz.: "cardinal fans are spoiled." in my book, you can't even be satisfied, much less spoiled, if you haven't won a championship in 24 years. cardinal fans are hungry. if dewitt & co find the burden of feeding us too odious, then sell the team already, cash out, and give us an ownership group that wants to win as badly as the fans do.

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i couldnt
agree more, particulary with the last paragraph. i think no fans can be called spoiled if they havent won a championship in over twenty years. you want spoiled fans, go to new york (baseball) or boston (football).

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 18, 2006 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To be fair
It really is about managing expectations, and without the two previous seasons of dominating play we would not be in our state of malcontent. But, we did dominate, we have a very good team, and we should have high expectations. I think it's a pretty standard cycle: low to mid expectations without winning history; jubilation at being competetive; expecations raised; raging anger at not meeting competetive expecations; repeat.

by jimstllax on Aug 18, 2006 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re:
but judging from dewitt and lamping's comments in goold's article, they seem to regard the problem as mainly one of fans' heightened (read: unrealistic) expectations, rather than any failure on the organization's part to field a team that is worthy of a passionate fan base. sure, it's a "first-place" team --- but st louis fans are not stupid. and don't really like being treated as such.

Here, here Larry. These guys obviously see only what they want to see(mostly $$$$) and need to come out of their ivory tower once in a while.

by cardsrul on Aug 18, 2006 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

preston wilson
Cards signed him this AM. I don't know how to add a link. (Apologies) It's on the official site. Thoughts?

by thats a winner on Aug 18, 2006 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, DimitroffVodka
Another signing off the trash heap. Only thing good is he's batting over .300 vs. Lefties, which have killed the Cards this season.

Another in a series of moves that display tight-fisted owners. I agree with lboros' thoughts. We deserve better.

by thats a winner on Aug 18, 2006 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's better than Timo Perez
Go Crazy, Folks! Go Crazy!!

by andymac on Aug 18, 2006 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The disappointing thing is...
...they could have had Cruz Jr, who was a Tony's matchup dream.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something is wrong with Cruz Jr...
and I don't mean physically like an injury.

No one has picked him up. What's the reason? I know he's not that great but I figured someone would take a chance. Maybe he has a bad attitude and it's finally caught up with him.

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: wanting a winner
Pardon the language, LB, but fuck yeah, dude.

by 26thMan on Aug 18, 2006 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
that's being unreasonable. Anyone else?

by cardsrul on Aug 18, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

During
this season of discontent, that's actually one of the tamer wordings I have seen here.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2006 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reyes sent down
Apparently Reyes was optioned to Memphis to make room for Wilson.  Probably just temporary until Sept 1st.

Question: Does sending Reyes down reduce his time with the big club by enough to keep him from being arb-eligible by an extra year?  I remember there being discussion of this in relation to his call-up in June.

by dccardsfan on Aug 18, 2006 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i believe it does...
... i think if he stays down for a week or two than it might prevent him from being a Super 2.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Wait - Reyes Optioned
It only gets better

"Rookie pitcher Anthony Reyes, who lasted only 3 1-3 innings in his shortest start on Wednesday and is 4-6 with a 4.73 ERA, was optioned to Triple-A Memphis. That move left the Cardinals with an 11-man pitching staff and could signal the return of Mark Mulder despite a so-so third rehab start on Thursday night."

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it just be freaking wonderful
if Reyes says to himself "you didn't want me out of spring training, you don't want me now.  When I get the chance, I'm outta here."

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait
Why didn't we send Timo back?

by aet15 on Aug 18, 2006 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intelligance like that
has failed this club during the season.
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 18, 2006 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez
hearing that we picked up a mediocre outfielder and are optioning one of our best SP's back to Memphis, I need a pick me up here...

Who else wants to see the Cards sweep the cubs?

Lets see some hands people!

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2006 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh lord...
Reyes going down, Mulder returning. Mulder better make the magic happen real quick like, or there's going to be issues upon issues.

by jimstllax on Aug 18, 2006 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Mulder's a veteran!
He's OLDER!  He has to be better than some scrub rookie!  Right?  You don't get to be older by being bad, right?

Seriously, why don't we just trade for Jamie Moyer and Terry Mulholland?  I bet the Mets could be tempted to part with Julio Franco, and I'm sure we can lure Jesse Orosco out of retirement to shore up the bullpen.

by Quietude on Aug 18, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reyes
isnt all the great.  or hasnt been this year since his white sox game.  I have no problem with him going down.  

by PGeorge on Aug 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.63 ERA, 1.31 WHIP
Wake me up when the Cardinals have another pitcher with those stats in their rotation.

by ryanisforever on Aug 18, 2006 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like
Dewitt is ready to have a Q&A right here.  

Go get em Larry!!!

"The good Lord was good to me. He gave me a strong body, a good right arm, and a weak mind." -Dizzy Dean

by vince eating tarp on Aug 18, 2006 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen...
Who do they think we are...Cub fans? Sorry, but the new Busch is no Wrigley and if they think Cardinals fans will continue to sell it out regardless of the quality of the team on the field, they're dead wrong. What worries me about that kinda talk is it makes me wonder just what is in store for next year. Are they trying to lower expectations so they can pull this crap again? They've been incredibly lucky that the division and league have been so weak that even a mediocre team can make playoffs. That won't last forever--and neither will continuous sellouts if they don't plan on using the millions we pour into their coffers to build a team that can bring home the rings.

by rockin redbird on Aug 18, 2006 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually...
i bet the stadium will sell out for the next 10 years even if we are a 3rd place team year in year out.

by lopey986 on Aug 18, 2006 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...
but I wouldn't bet on it. I sat thru too many ghost town games in old Busch in the 70's (and late 80's/early 90's for that matter) to consider sellout attendance a lock year after year if the teams are awful.

by rockin redbird on Aug 18, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, i know this is CRAZY long...
Mark Mulder, SP STL

News: Mark Mulder (shoulder), who gave up five runs in four innings Thursday in a rehab start for Triple-A Memphis, said he would fly to Chicago, where the Cardinals were to start a three-game set against the Cubs, Friday. He said he didn't know whether a fourth rehab start would be necessary. "I could care less about the results," Mulder said. "I just wanted to throw strikes. I wasn't happy with the fact that I walked those guys. A few pitches I left up over the plate that they hit hard, but it was because I had gone ball one, ball two, whatever it was, and I was behind in the count."

Analysis: Mulder said pain wasn't a problem for him Thursday. "My biggest concern is getting my arm ready to go out there and be able to throw 90-100 pitches in a game," Mulder said. "I want to have the arm strength to be able to compete out there. My arm, as far as arm strength goes, is fine." The winningest pitcher in the majors from 2001-05, Mulder started the year 5-1 and had a 3.69 ERA after throwing 8 1/3 shutout innings against the Mets on May 17. Over his next six starts, Mulder had an 11.39 ERA and lost four of his five decisions. He had a 6.09 ERA when he went on the DL. Consider him a risky play for Fantasy Week 21 (Aug. 21-27) at this point. He might not return until late in that week.

by lopey986 on Aug 18, 2006 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quote
"There is a noticable difference his throwing motion of the slurvy crap and the fastball."

That right there tells you why he can't not come back until this is corrected. If he has a different motion for his fastball than players will just sit waiting for the fastball. Since his fastball is so weak players should be able to completly jack it.

Shown what happened to him in this start.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh well...
the rest of the staff serves up dingers at an alarming rate, why not Mulder? I think it is all part of TLR's pitch-to-contact method. I guess he should tell them when he says "contact" he means ground balls, not 450 foot shots.

by lopey986 on Aug 18, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know,
I am absolutely sick and frickin' tired of hearing about "pitch-to-contact."  It's quite possibly the crappiest strategy a pitching staff can use.  

Is there anything wrong with trying to get groundballs?   No, but making pitchers change their pitching style and get away from what they do best is a bad plan.  And trying to turn a young fireballer like Reyes into Generic Groundball Pitcher #5 is just going to cost the team wins.

by Quietude on Aug 18, 2006 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilson
I think they added him quickly because he's hit the Cubs well this year and they're desperate to break the 0 fer Chicago spell.

He's gone .364 / .378 / .545 against Cubbie pitching in '06.

by punditmoi on Aug 18, 2006 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd still
save Wilson for use ONLY against LH pitchers... if JEd's out for any length of time, the Cards need another bat with some possible pop... aka Not Timo Perez!
"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 18, 2006 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or So Taguchi
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 18, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah.....but...
somehow I feel like we just took a turn for the worse.  Mulder...5 walks?...how many runs?..and that doesnt' include the two that were thrown out at the plate?  This does not sound like a guy that is ready for a playoff race to me..sorry.. Wilson....well...I'm just hoping that coming to a team like the Cardinals will inspire this guy to pick it up but now I read they will use him to Platoon with Chris Duncan in left when they face lefty's?...That is ABSURD...
LET CHRIS DUNCAN PLAY EVERYDAY !!!!!!!

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not platooned for sure...
They said, POSSIBLY platoon him in left with Chris Duncan. I doubt it though, most likely he'll platoon with JED if JED returns healthy.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly.....
is even too much ....considering this kid has BEEN the offense for them until Rolen sparked it up yesterday....

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, but
I really don't think I'm an apologist for the owners, because I could talk about that BS stadium all day, but:

I would agree that the product on the field isn't the best, BUT I continue to believe there was no way to improve it this year.  Where the tale will be told is over THIS offseason, when there are a lot of quality FAs available.  If they pass this time, then all hell will -- and should -- break loose.

by knieriemd on Aug 18, 2006 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry
You nailed it!  When your team ends their season short of the golden ring, you expect them to go out during the offseason and make acquistions that improve those (in this case) glaring weak spots.  Ownership (as we've so often noted here) failed to do so.  Miserably.  That's played out in the season.  Their unwillingness (inability) to admit that is infuriating.  

by sdesserman on Aug 18, 2006 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thrown right into the fire...
Wilson starts in RF today.

David Eckstein SS Season .288 1 21
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Chris Duncan LF Season .338 11 25
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Albert Pujols 1B Season .326 35 94
vs. pitcher .333 0 1

Scott Rolen 3B Season .321 17 75
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Juan Encarnacion CF Season .278 16 63
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

Preston Wilson RF Season --- 0 0
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Ronnie Belliard 2B Season .260 0 5
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Gary Bennett C Season .186 0 13
vs. pitcher 1.000 0 0

Jason Marquis P Season .167 0 4
vs. pitcher .000 0 0

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Other than Bennett....
...I'll except that lineup.  I know Bennett and Marquis are butt-buddies or something to that effect, so...with that in mind, best lineup we could hope for.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or maybe "accept".....
I'll accept this lineup.  While Wilson doesn't have great splits against righthanders, he's definitely an upgrade over So-So Taguchi.  If JEd isn't available, at least Tony's putting the three best out there.  Here's to AP breaking out of his recent funk today!

by wildman on Aug 18, 2006 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha pitcher and catcher
they can both take a flying leap.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 18, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets talk playoff rotation...
#1 - C. Carpenter.
#2 - umm...

I give up.

by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 18, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd figure...
...sans Mulder

Carp
Suppan
Weaver
Marquis

With Mulder

Carp
Suppan
Mulder
Weaver

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point?...
wouldn't you have to say JEFF WEAVER as # 2....I can't believe I'm saying it myself...but it's either him or Suppan...

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I have Suppan and Weaver...
..#2 and #3.  Suppan has already pitched in atleast 1 postseason game 7.  I'd have to check on Weaver.  All I can remember about Weaver is he was in the Yankees BP a few years ago.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree ...
I hadn't see your post when I wrote that just fyi... but I think as of right now?...Weaver is the # 2 starter for me..

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dewitt
was on the radio the other day with Rooney, obvious PR bullcrap, trying to restate his care for the team by giving us the stadium and how great a close pennant race is. this guy really is a turd. screw the stupid stadium, i like the old one with the old team. there shouldn't be a race with the freakin' Reds. If it were something like the have in the AL East or Central, that would be one thing. those are interesting races between good teams.

it's like they don't know the difference.

i admit, there's a sick part of me that just wants to say screw the cards. if they are gonna be all business with me, then i can do the same and go watch another team that's committed to winning, not filling seats. i've just rooted for the cards so long that would be almost impossible.

by erik on Aug 18, 2006 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think i
could be freaking a bit, i'll reserve my judgment for after this winter but i'm mad.

by erik on Aug 18, 2006 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction:
Don't you mean "blowout losses in MARQUIS games"?

by birdjam on Aug 18, 2006 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Po-tay-toh Po-Tah-Toh
Blowout losses in Marquis games - blowout losses in marquee games.   The Venn diagrams overlap.

By the way, Mulder ain't ready, guys.

by madridbend on Aug 18, 2006 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any idea?
how much P Wilson cost us?

by stanchar on Aug 18, 2006 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nothin
from what I understand, he was unconditionally released. This means the Astros are covering all the costs. He's playing for us, for free I believe.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that
the Cards will have to pay Wilson a pro-rated minimum salary for the rest of the year.  Everything else is being paid by the Astros.

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Constructive Criticism?
Man, I never post but I often like reading.  However this discussion really paints Cardinal fans in a negative light and as a bunch of complainers.  I don't know how you can say, given the situation coming into this year, that this team is substandard product.  What free agent signings last winter would have won this team ten more games (especially given are crappy starting pitching)?  

Sure blame it on ownership greed all you want but we all know from the Yankees that money doesn't instantly translate into winning.  That's the beauty of sports, teams either come together and win or sputter and lose for reasons we don't always know.

by enoscountry on Aug 18, 2006 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

be careful
don't use the term fair-weather fans or you'll probably get banned. Read the post from earlier this week. If you question the Dewitt sucks the cards-blow model, prepare for the rath of Kahn. however, if you buy into the discussion, then anyone who disagrees with you can be called an idiot or a "homerific" fan. Just warning you about the ground rules.

by JMarq on Aug 18, 2006 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think this is bad
I don't think you've read this blog much.

Plus, well, the truth hurts.

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Dewitt
I work in corporate America (NYC no less), and I have to say every word out of his mouth sounds like a PR firm.

by SirVLCIV on Aug 18, 2006 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, another Cards fan in the City..
that makes 2 of us. Going to any Mets games next week?

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols against the Cubs...
..is hitting .186.  That can't continue.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes....
...at Wrigley:

.167/.494 OPS  0 HR 3 RBIs 1 2B 1/1 K:BB ratio

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy The Games
Another fun weekend of Cubs/Cards baseball.  I see you've just added Cubs killer Preston Wilson.  I don't know how well he will do for you in the long run, but I can tell you he's performed pretty well against the Cubs.  Enjoy the games and the Budweiser.  Here's to some (hopefully) well played,clean baseball games.  Good luck to you guys (after you're done with this series of course) ;)

BP

A Cubs fan just visiting

by brianp88 on Aug 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm ok with the Preston Wilson pickup..
Wilson, Enc, Duncan... not a bad outfield..

But WHY wasnt Timo or So sent down?? Now we have a bunch of worthless scrubs on the bench (minus speizio).  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Injuries
I'm guessing Speezer's tweaked tendon is still ouchy and Edmonds status is definitely in question, so they needed to be sure to have enough of a bench to make it through the series.

by punditmoi on Aug 18, 2006 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preston
They tnterviewed Preston today and the one thing that stood out was that he sounded like a good club house guy. He was already joking around with players.

That will keep my mouth shut up about him for awhile, unless he strikes out in his first AB.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah...
watching Preston on tv today gave me almost a "Reggie Sandersesque" feel.  I don't know what the freak everybody's so concerned about...  He's a guy with some serious numbers and some serious potential.  Now he's on the roster with the best team in baseball to play for...not to mention the city with the best, most well educated fans.  OH...HOPE MY POSITIVE OUTLOOK DOESN'T GET ME BANNED!

by jose smokeindo on Aug 19, 2006 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 reasons to applaud the Wilson signing
  1.  Timo will not be with the club much longer (once Mulder is activated)
  2.  The Astros are basically picking up the tab.  If it works out and he helps, that will make it all the more sweet.

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What if
If Wilson were to hit a game-winning HR into the Crawford Boxes in a game at MM park, that would be about as sweet as it gets.

by punditmoi on Aug 18, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll go out on a limb...
... and say that Wilson will have an XBH in his 1st AB as a Cardinal.

Of course, since there are absolutely no consequences to me being wrong, I'm not exactly taking a big risk here.

by punditmoi on Aug 18, 2006 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not an XBH
but a hit nonetheless.  This guy kills the Cubs.
A Cubs fan just visiting

by brianp88 on Aug 18, 2006 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically...
... I suppose it doesn't count, but a single and a stolen base = a double.... doesn't it?

by punditmoi on Aug 18, 2006 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love
Ronny Santo:

"Marmol in his last outing was quite good.  He did walk eight and give up five hits though..."

by OCCardsFan on Aug 18, 2006 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

in the words of Santo...
"YEAH!"
Pat:  "There's another extra base hit for Ramirez."
Santo:  "Yeah!"

by jose smokeindo on Aug 19, 2006 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunc
Best hitter on the team right now.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd suggest
"hottest" rather than "best" hitter.  The best hitter on the team hits directly behind him and may have something to do with pitches he's seeing.

by sdesserman on Aug 18, 2006 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan is
simply amazing!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan!
I love him more and more everyday.

by dccardsfan on Aug 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHACK!
Nice shot, C-Dunc!

by 26thMan on Aug 18, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Dunc
were to keep up a good pace, does anyone know how many ABs he would have to get to be considering as Rookie of the Year?
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AP question
I know Gameday isn't always accurate with the pitch locator, but has everyone really begun to pitch him low and away?  This last ground ball is just the latest example.

by Intheway on Aug 18, 2006 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In the games
I have watched on TV, it does appear that the pitchers are pitching him away a lot.  They used to go up and in a lot, but pitchers were missing over the plate and Albert would either whack it or muscle it over the infield for a hit.  It also appears as if Albert is being less patient and is pulling those pitches (almost always an out) instead of going with the pitch.

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Wilson...
... the Cards now have a black player.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan Encarnacion?
Ronnie Belliard?

Or do they not count? ;)

Way to serve it up, Marquis. <groan>

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i meant...
... non-hispanic. guess i should have said African American, which precludes all the Dominicans.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My goodness
I loathe Jason Marquis.

by 26thMan on Aug 18, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Snap
Marquis loves batting pratice doesn't he?

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here comes
the good old Marquis de Sad we are used to.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i totally...
... saw that coming. Barrett is freaking KILLING us.

also: we better win this game, 'cos i don't think Suppan can out-duel Zambrano tomorrow.

i really really really want to win this series.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

barrett
i knew that was going to happen.  barrett scares me as much as jeff kent did back in the day.  

or maybe it's just marquis' pitching that scares me.

by jdub176 on Aug 18, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hate barrett and marquis..
i wish they would run into each other and explode.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marquis
cannot pitch with a lead!  

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

strike
"with a lead."  The boy can't pitch.  When his face comes up on the homepage, I'm filled with disgust.  I'm following through on my committment to myself to not watch him pitch again this year.  I watch most games on mlbtv, but have chosen to deaden the pain by watching on gameday.

by sdesserman on Aug 18, 2006 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I took that same approach
with Izzy earlier in the year when he was really struggling.  I changed the channel, or left the room, when Izzy came in.

I would like to think that that was the reason why he improved.  :)

Maybe I should do the same when Marquis pitches.

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prestone!!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 18, 2006 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, Preston
You are spared the hatred of Cardinal Nation for the time being. ;)
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah
thats really productive, way to get the guy over to third!!! is it just me, or do the cardinals pop A LOT of balls up?

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 18, 2006 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

c'mon Gary...
... snap out of this.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the only thing that
gary should snap out of is his contract.  or maybe his belief that he's a major league caliber player.

by sdesserman on Aug 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Gary, great
I hate first pitch outs... and the bottom half of our lineup (after Rolen, and with the possible exception of Wilson) looks pretty damn weak.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MONTHS ago I complained that the Cards had...
...given up all their speed since 2004. Looks like Preston Wilson may be a legitimate bag swiper (ala Tony Womack).

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like...
.... they need some Marmol-aide.

by punditmoi on Aug 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bennett
We know you're not going to get a hit so could you at least work the count a bit?  This guy has a slight problem with wildness... can someone please take a pitch or two.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 18, 2006 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have know idea
why Bennett is playing so much lately. It's not like Yadi is 35 years old or something.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If he were 35
He's be a veteran and Tony would play him every day.  Quite the conundrum.

by EBroglio on Aug 18, 2006 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that TLR doesn't think
Bennett will improve if he keeps trotting him out there... Gary seems to have become the personal catcher for both Suppan and Marquis lately.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm..
I wonder if THAT is the problem with them...

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction
Make that the personal catcher for Reyes and Marquis.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could this be the makings of
the first rally at Wrigley all year?

by EBroglio on Aug 18, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I smell
a Pujols bases on balls.

by 26thMan on Aug 18, 2006 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God I love Duncan
I'll seriously marry that guy.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How close...
was it to being a homer?
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Gameday
It wasn't close at all. Can some TV-viewers enlighten us here? ;)
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not very...
... not even to the track. it was a line drive, tho, not a pop-up.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHA

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wrong
but the Keystone Kubs moment was fun. Hope Al's OK. Same with Eck.

by 26thMan on Aug 18, 2006 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's going on?!
I hate Gameday.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cubs suck
Bad news Bears...I mean Cubs...hahahaha

by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 18, 2006 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What happened?
????????? Damn you gameday!
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they tried to BB Pujols...
... but he drilled it to left field. Eck scored in a collision play at home because Barrett dropped the ball. Pujols got caught in a run-down in between 2nd and 3rd. he went back to 2nd, and they threw to ball into RF. Pujols went to 3rd. he was completely gassed. Eck limped into the dugout with a grimace on his face.

now, both benches are warned because Rolen gets beaned.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell?
A warning? That's ridiculous!

by 26thMan on Aug 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beanball
Nothing is better than a Cubs meltdown :)

by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pile it on boys
you're going to need it with bb on the mound.

by sdesserman on Aug 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap..
A LEAD! At WRIGLEY! We're SAVED!!!

...Wait... did you say Marquis is pitching...?

We're all gonna DIE!!!

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

help
Gameday is stuck. What the hell happened?

by thats a winner on Aug 18, 2006 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone else...
Someone else want to answer his question..?

by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 18, 2006 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Kindred
Time to take out some frustration on the Small Bears

by thats a winner on Aug 18, 2006 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

10/4

by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 18, 2006 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yet another Cubs error
Is it Christmas?

Marmol throws the ball away trying to pick off Rolen.  Pujols scores.  Rolen to 2nd.

by dccardsfan on Aug 18, 2006 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good lord
The Cubs look, well, like the Cubs. Just awful, awful defense today. I love it.

by 26thMan on Aug 18, 2006 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As best as I can figure from the radio
Pujols singled to left.  The throw went home, Eckstein kicked it away from Barrett.  Marmol retrieved it and threw to second behind Pujols, who took a long turn.  The throw got through to center.  Pujols took third.  There was no play because Jones threw the ball into the ground.

As I type this, Marmol just threw past first on a pickoff.  AP scores on Marmol's second throwing error of the inning.

by Intheway on Aug 18, 2006 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan Enc
knuckles one past Izturis.  1st and 3rd, 1 out for Preston.

by dccardsfan on Aug 18, 2006 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The CUBS SUCK!
And finally they're playing like the Cubs!
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Preston....
stands pretty far away from the plate.  No wonder he has always struggled with the outside pitch.

by stanchar on Aug 18, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols hit a line drive that
bounced right in front of Pagan.  He barehanded it and threw it home.  Ball beat Eckstein there, but Eckstein kicked it out of Barretts glove.  Pujols went 3/4ths of the way to third and inexpicably ran back to second.

A Cub underhand/sidearm threw it to second base, through the 2nd basemens legs as Pujols slide in.  Pujols went to third and was GASED.  He still almost got thrown out there.

Rolen then was plunked and an issue was warned.  It wasn't intentional and the ump overreacted.

The pitcher then threw the ball away on a pick off attempt and Pujols scored, with Rolen going to second.

Juan hit a ball under the 2nd basemens glove and we had them at the corners.

The rest should be easy to figure out.

In essence, the Cubs are playing like the Cubs.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Belliard
Belliard looks like Manny's little tag-a-long brother...

by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 18, 2006 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish he would....
...take 1 step closer to the plate.  He'd be able to drive a lot more pitches that way.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gameday broke....
what has happened since juans single?
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday's completely befuddled
Is Rolen out? (It thinks he is, but posters say otherwise). What did Wilson do?
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Never mind
It fixed.

Always good to see a Cubs meltdown. :D

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What had happened....
....
Juan singled past a Cub, Rolen went to second
Wilson hit a high line drive to the SS and Isturiz leaped and stabbed it.
Belliard hit a long fly ball just short of the warning track to Pagan.

David Eckstein hurt his oblique muscle and is out of the game.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid obliques...
They really seem to be a trendy injury these days. But then, with Eck not himself, maybe it'll give him a chance to rest for a little while.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilson line out to SS...
... Belliard flied out to the track in left. Rolen stranded at 3rd.

Eck lifted from the game after throwing one warm-up toss. he was holding his side.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein is injured...
..hurt himself on the slide at home.  He was holding his back coming off the field.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh great....
Miles is now our shortstop for who knows how long.......
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh god....
Miles at short now?....

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey..
at least that means he won't be playing at 2nd, right? Although I guess with Tony you can never be too sure.

by mikedallas23 on Aug 18, 2006 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you would think...
with a 4-1 lead in the 4th we would be happy and confident wouldn't you?....but alas...Jason Marquis on the mound....no rest for the weary..

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i swear...
... if Duncan keeps this stuff up, i might get an erection.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh... TMI?
;)

But I agree, the guy has been dreamy for us recently.

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any DFA options
out there at shortstop?

Luis Ordaz? Aaron Holbert? Timmy Jones?

by Solanus on Aug 18, 2006 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what about
Lugo from the Dodgers?...they have invested a ton in Furcal...and Lugo can walk at the end of this season.....yeah...I know...i was just dreaming...

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're into their bullpen already
That's good.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Thanks!
To all of you who are actually watching the game and giving updates...i have turned off gameday and am now just using this site to get updated..much quicker and more accurate for sure.
thanks guys!

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday seems to be back
on top of it now.  The craziness of the 3rd inning completely threw it off for awhile, but now it's ahead of the mlb audio broadcast.

by calico30 on Aug 18, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Duncan keeps
learning to play the outfield, and that catch showed signs that he is, I think he will have a lot of similarities to Larry Walker down that line.  Not that there aren't some already.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Finally
Finally the Cubs are playing like the Cubs. They look horrible out there. Preston has not struck out yet so its all good.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh my God
Bennett got a hit.  They are now officially serving snow cones in hell.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL...
that one made me spit coffee all over my desk man!....

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles...weak...
C'mon, Baby Duncan.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or not....
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why
was marquis bunting there?

by PGeorge on Aug 18, 2006 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
Puzzling move. Marquis has shown in the past that he can swing it, and if he's terrible on the mound, then at least let him make up for it with a hit.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First pitch swinging
Miles, then Duncan.

Let's not tax the Cub bullpen.

Yeesh.  

by Intheway on Aug 18, 2006 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday lies to me
It says "no out recorded," I have visions of Marquis imploding, and then it tells me that Baby Duncan caught the ball. At least it didn't tell me there was an out and then inform me that it was a hit.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday shows that one
going a long, long way...

by cyclone on Aug 18, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

saw that one coming as well...
... as soon as Marquis BBed Barrett.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok on gameday
that looked like a bomb, how far did it fly?

by PGeorge on Aug 18, 2006 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ARAM with a 2 run HR (29)...
...goes to the last row of the leftfield bleachers. Marquis looks out of sorts.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 18, 2006 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GAAH
Just like that, 4-3.

I hate Jason Marquis.

The funny thing was, I went upstairs for a while, imagined that happening while I was gone, and hey presto! it did.

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

error by Miles...
... ugh. now we're playing like the Cubs.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

miles is miles
with his glove too apparently

by PGeorge on Aug 18, 2006 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

E-6
Get used to it

by Intheway on Aug 18, 2006 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miles
Miles trying to do his best Cubs impression

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 18, 2006 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DAMMIT
I need to be at home in front of a TV right now!  I forgot to DVR this game.

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Um
Fox Sports Net is dead.   Is this a St. Louis area thing?

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But wait
When I was in Ohio, Fox Sports Net Ohio was still alive.

so maybe the whole entity is dead, but some of the parts are still alive.  

by sdrone on Aug 18, 2006 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...
Marquis has given up 2 hits...both homers..and three runs...because of a frick'in walk...agh..

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We haven't given up a non HR ER
since pittsburgh. Every run the Reds scored were on the long ball
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is....
almost scary to think about...wow.

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mabes
is awesome.

just throwing that out there.

by PGeorge on Aug 18, 2006 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein
Maybe it'll be like the Cartoons. That one hard knock to him made him go into a slump, maybe this hard knock will get him going again.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eck
official word: left oblique strain.

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jock must be ...
On the wire checking out DFA's right this very minute!.

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so...
cause if we're stuck with E6 Aaron heading into New York, we're gonna leave New York in second place in the Central.

by El Rojo Jefe on Aug 18, 2006 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fielding error by shortstop Aaron Miles.
This has the inevitability of classic Greek tragedy.
We get a lead, but lose Eckstein.
I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking - Marquis is going to let them back in the game, and playing Miles at SS is going to hurt us.

Painful to see fears realized so quickly.

by madridbend on Aug 18, 2006 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Albert looks really bad...
...at the plate.Seems there is a lot more movement in his head and body than earlier in the year (pre-injury).

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 18, 2006 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols
looks slightly amiss lately.

I guess we've just all gotten used to him being God.

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Greek Tragedy?...
so we can have Marquis sleep with his mother and then poke his eyes out?...cool!..

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can somebody find out
who holds the single season record of Homers gicen up by one pitcher?  Marquis must want that record.
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to BaseballReference.com
That would be Bert Blyleven, who gave up 50 (!!) HR in 1986.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then
Marquis must be closing in on that number for sure!  LOL

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's at 30
Go Jason go! <garrrgh>
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no faith...
in us winning this game. That's terrible I know. But with Marquis pitching, our bullpen, and miles at shortstop, I know we are in trouble. Plus our offense is still in the dumps, regardless of some early runs.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tremendous Good News!
per Al: Bo Hart has been starting at SS for AAA.

can Spivey play SS? Belliard? Spiezio? somebody not named Miles or Hart?

by kindred on Aug 18, 2006 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did SF release
Jose Vizcaino?

He might not be much more than a glove right now, but at least he's a glove right now.

by Intheway on Aug 18, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spivey's been tearing it up lately
believe or not. I'd love to see Junior get a shot at SS if Eck can't play

by erik on Aug 18, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is it with oblique injuries?!?!?!
Don't they stretch before the game?

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hated Damn Yankees blowing open ....
...game one of the day-nighter at Boston, scoring 4 runs and still batting in the top 7th to lead 8-3.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 18, 2006 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good...
...I despise the Red Sox.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.
I hate them way more than the Yankees, and I hate the Yankees.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want them both to lose, but ....
...even more than that I want the cobs to reach 100 years of futility.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 18, 2006 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep....
I'm with you...would rather see the Yanks win than the Sox...I have a ton of buddies up in Boston and after 04?...I took some SERIOUS crap from them...would LOVE to see them miss the playoffs ...

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I swear
he does that to us once a game.

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan Pierre
is a mother f'n pest.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here it comes..
Marquis' 19th nervous breakdown.  Is there a shrink in the house?

by El Rojo Jefe on Aug 18, 2006 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel about as comfortable with a 1 run lead
as i do in a flannel thong. Need to get some runs here.

by erik on Aug 18, 2006 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha
that was good.  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But?....
he's only given up 3 runs on 3 hits....so far...it's just that you KNOW that he is always just on the edge of giving up a huge inning...it makes me crazy..

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wilson at bat
homerun anyone?

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ding ding ding!
We have a winner! Way to call it!

by erik on Aug 18, 2006 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DANG
NICE CALL MAN!!

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to St. Louis
Enjoy your stay.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hot Damn
Wilson CREAMED that pitch!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lil Mookie
Is what his dad would like him referred to as.

by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Mookie
his Dad or his Uncle?

by Solanus on Aug 18, 2006 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They said
on This Week in Baseball that it's his dad.

by Pujols4Pres on Aug 18, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Step-dad, I think
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good
pick up

by PGeorge on Aug 18, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This Wilson guy
ain't lookin' too bad just now.

by Arambar on Aug 18, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this may
sound like i'm saying this because Wilson is black, but that homer was Reggie-esque.

by erik on Aug 18, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They do
have similar follow-throughs, I was trying to figure out who it was his swing reminded me of and I think it was Reggie.

by DanUpBaby on Aug 18, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preston Wilson
The MIGHTY CUB KILLER!!!  woohoo!!!!  Good call!!

by El Rojo Jefe on Aug 18, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PRESTON!!!
Stick around!
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

P-Wil
Not a bad pickup as a platoon. Beats the heck out of So and Timo.
Check out my new Cardinals blog: http://rockinred.blogspot.com

by rockin the red on Aug 18, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Drayton McClane
Somebody send him a case of Bud!

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats exactly why
wilson made more sense than cruz, j-rod or any other OF we were considering.  sure his defense isn't as good as cruz, but the guy has legitimate power, and we've missed that extra hr hitter this year that we've had in years past.  great insurance pick-up by walt.

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 18, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gary effin bennett?
wow.
That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 18, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

trash heap
I referred to Preston in this vain earlier today. To that I say: Long live the trash heap

by thats a winner on Aug 18, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Son of a B
Now Satan is putting in a Baskin-Robbins and will be serving momentarily.
A Bennett HR?!
Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 18, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AB...
please make sure you complain about Bennett on this site FROM NOW ON....you my friend are his good luck charm!  LOL

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOLY.... CRAP
PIGS JUST FLEW PAST MY WINDOW!
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs curse is officially over!!!!
But wait, Marquis is still pitching.

by stlfaninpa on Aug 18, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not anymore...
Timo PHing. Looks like this will be a bullpen affair the rest of the way.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two in one inning?
And from Wilson and Bennet no less?  I'm liking this new team that came to Chicago - whoever they are.

by Arambar on Aug 18, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OMG...
HR from Bennett! We can't lose when Bennett homers, can we?

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes perfect sense....
...Marquis is in-line for win #13, without the chance of him screwing it up.  Get that monkey off his back and hopefully it jumpstarts him.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2006 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

makes sense
I wondered if it was some platoon differential thing, but your theory makes more sense to me.

Marquis probably could use the boost.

by madridbend on Aug 18, 2006 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we just send Timo down now...
don't have to bring up anyone. I don't care. Just send him down!

by jdubya on Aug 18, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only hope
that Juan'cion is being subbed out for Timo, because no way do I want Duncan or P-Wil out of there.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does this qualify
If Gary Bennett sold his soul to Satan to get two hits in a game, including a homer, does that qualify as a PED?

by Solanus on Aug 18, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

shortstop
could Wilson or Bennett play shorstop?

by Birdos in Mexico on Aug 18, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a BIG inning
Cubs have Barrett, Ramirez, and Jones coming up.  A 1-2-3 inning would be HUGE!  

by stltrav09 on Aug 18, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Adam in
Since he went for only 0.2 last night, do you think we'll try to get 2 out of him today?
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NEW THREAD
Someone should start one ASAP...we are WAY over 200 ...

by Timbo02 on Aug 18, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One just got started.
"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most." -- Ozzy Osbourne

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Aug 18, 2006 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

suddenly our OF
is looking a lot better.  JEd, J'enc, Baby Dunc, and now Wilson.  not the yankees, but a lot better than some of the line-ups we've been trotting out there this year.

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 18, 2006 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BP continues...
....it's albert's turn; and now Rolens!!!

by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 18, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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