Game 120 Open Thread: August 17, 2006

by Robb on Aug 17, 2006 8:40 AM EDT in News Comment 306 comments

First, a brief introduction. Like Valatan, I've been a lurker here at Viva El Birdos for the last year or so. Some of you may (or may not) know me from my currently defunct blog, Random Redbird Reasoning . Others may have seen me do a guest appearance at CardNilly where I had the pleasure of recapping the career of Greg Mathews. (Now that I've done guest spots on Viva El Birdos and CardNilly, I'm waiting for a phone call from the Love Boat - watch out Landers sisters!) lboros was kind enough to invite me to post today and I appreciate the offer. The irony of it is that I ended up on a last minute business trip to....Denver. So, I guess it's only appropriate that I write about the Cardinals from Colorado. I can only hope that the perspective from here will help me provide as good of a service as you are used to.

With the pleasantries out of the way, I guess we should move on to the Cardinals. I realized coming into this season that - odds were - this was not going to be a cakewalk season. While the Cardinals looked to be the best team in the Central yet again, I just didn't see any way that they could blow away the division for the 3rd year in a row. Too many things had gone the way of the Redbirds in 2004 and 2005 (in the regular season) to expect it to happen again. What I didn't expect, however, was the team to be quite this frustrating. Wednesday's game was a great example. The day after owning the Reds, the Cardinals gave up 5 gopher balls and Albert Pujols went 0 for 4, leaving 5 men on base. And if someone can explain to me why Timo Perez is not only on the roster of a team in playoff contention but starting and hitting 5th in the lineup, I'm all ears.

The Cardinals are so hard to figure out this year. It would be one thing if they were a consistently mediocre team. As is, they seem to be either really good or really bad - and lately it's been really bad. You've heard the numbers, but let's hear them again. The Redbirds are now 5-9 against the Reds, keeping them in a race that honestly should be over, considering that the Reds have been outscored by 29 runs this season. Against the NL Central, the Cardinals are 26-31, having been swept by the Pirates once and the Cubs twice. In fact, the Cubs are 10-3 against St. Louis. 19% of the Cubs wins this year are against the Cardinals!

Is it all doom and gloom? Of course not. We've all thought it, but I'll say it again - the fact that the Cardinals are still in 1st place at this point in the season is absolutely amazing. They still have their fate in their own hands, and if they manage to get into the playoffs...well, anything can happen. Heck, teams only good enough to win 85 regular season games have a shot at winning the World Series. Playing 5 or 7 games at a time with days off in between can hide a team's flaws (<cough>Houston</cough>), so you never know. Mulder could still come back strong, Encarnacion could get hot, Edmonds could get healthy, Timo Perez could get left off of the playoff roster...

Of course, they actually have to make the playoffs first, so let me get back to the real world.

Today's game has some interesting aspects. For one thing, it's the last regular season meeting between the two clubs, barring a tie. The Cardinals will still be in 1st place entering play tomorrow, but 2 and a half games is a world better than a half game lead. Another interesting thing to note about today's game is the strange day/night splits of these two clubs. The Cardinals are 30-13 in day games, while the Reds are 18-23. And perhaps most interesting of all is the trash-heap pitching match-up.

Today's starters are a combined 7-18 on the season with a 6.38 ERA over 194.2 innings, giving up a total of 34 home runs. We can call this a Marquis match-up, but only because these guys are in Jason's company. And to top if off, the Cardinals actually moved Weaver up a day in order to get this match-up. Based on what? His only half-way decent start for the Cardinals? Seems like grasping at straws to me.

Of course, you know it will be a 2-1 game.

Use this as the game thread for today. With a little luck, I will be able to submit another post this evening, celebrating the win and looking forward to another series with those Cardinal killing Cubs.

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snowball's chance in _ _ _ _

Man it can be frustrating how the cardinal games snowball. It seems you can tell how the team will do during the first time through the order. We do not have the capacity to mount a comeback. It is almost though the hitters know they shouldn't try to come back because the pitchers will continue to give up runs.

The pitchers? shoot they give up cause they know the hitters will not score runs from behind. the wheels fall off. I stop watching. And it kills me cause I love to watch them. I care too much. it ruins my day.

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I forgot.

Go birds.

......

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you

I love to watch the Cardinals (that is why I paid for the MLB Extra Innings package), but this year I find myself clicking over to other baseball games during the Cards game because I get so frustrated. I always find my way back to the Cards game because they are my team.

Last year, it seemed as if the Cards were always "in" a game, no matter what the score was, the team fought it out. A hard nine as LaRussa says. This year, it's more like a hard 2-3. And if they fall behind, forget it.

by stlfaninpa on Aug 17, 2006 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Battered Fan Syndrome

I keep coming back too.

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dead on

I've stopped watching on TV. I listen on the radio and work, then, change the tuner to music during games like last night's. I love baseball and I love the Cardinals, but this year's team is so frustrating. Losing big has happened so often that the blow-out losses have a discernable pattern, the aforementioned snowball effect. Once it begins, there's no use in watching.

by bgh on Aug 17, 2006 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Multiple scars on my ass from hitting rock bottom

Just seeing Timo Perez (no, really...for those just tuning in, he really is on this team...in August...batting FIFTH...furrill, Timo Perez...) come to the plate with the bases loaded was enough to make me foam at the mouth. When he popped-up I began bleeding from my nose, eyes, and ears.

My wife thinks I'm nuts when it's 10-4 in the 7th inning and I'm still watching a game. "Youneverknow", I tell her. But last night it got to me. After the 14th Cincy homer, I flipped over to a NFL preseason game.

And it wasn't even 'live'.

meat

youneverknow

by meat on Aug 17, 2006 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Clutchiness

Wandering around the web this morning, I stumbled upon some interesting stuff, a stat called "Clutchiness". Basically, it seems to calculate a players repeatable performance in high leverage situations.

Fangraphs now includes it, but i couldn't find a team stats chart.

Team Stats can be found here, updated through 8/10.

Season league leaders (total WPA):
Geoff Jenkins 2.18 (1.48)
Melvin Mora 2.09 (2.08)
David Ortiz 2.00 (6.08)
Bill Brasky 1.97 (6.80)

Jenkins/Mora seem to turn it up a notch when needed. Ortiz/Pujols just get it done all the time.

by Just Rope Ball on Aug 17, 2006 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TO BILL BRASKY!!

It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 17, 2006 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to this...

Yadi is the second most clutch hitter on the team this year...that's discouraging...

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Think about it this way

Yadi is a lot more clutch than his stats would indicate. We know he hits rather well with runners on and/or in scoring position. And that it is a LOT higher than his overall numbers.

That's all you should really pull from that.

by Solanus on Aug 17, 2006 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

This doesn't portray a players overall effectiveness (since Yadi's hasn't been that good), but it shows that when they have a good chance to contribute in a higher leverage situation they have.

Look at Rolen, he has increased the teams probability of winning by 1.682 on the season. When looking at the situations he was in, he could have increased the teams probability of winning by 2.361. So in higher leverage situations or "in the clutch" he didn't perform, thus his negative clutchiness.

by Just Rope Ball on Aug 17, 2006 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Weaver moving up

I don't think the decision to move Weaver up in the rotation was based on Weaver's numbers against the Reds lineup, that just made it an easier decision. I think the reason it happened was so that they could move Supps back in the rotation so he could square up against Zambrano tommorrow. Suppan has a history of pitching strong against another teams ace. We don't need to have any more problems with the Cubs.

Go Birds

by Bird Watcher on Aug 17, 2006 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcome, Robb

Good perspective - we're not as good as 2004-05; but we're still in first, and everybody who makes the playoffs has a shot at the gold ring.

I think that Weaver's advance in the rotation is because they see real progress, to quote Bernie's summary of his interview with Dave Duncan:

Weaver ... not the point where we want him to be... but he's getting better.... arm slot was down.... movement to plate wasn't aligned real well... gotten delivery better.... working hard to make corrections. "I've seen a real improvement in his stuff" ... velocity up, more bite to breaking balls....wants him to throw cut fastballs in on RH more.

Hope he's right.

Hope we get a few hits.

by madridbend on Aug 17, 2006 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

jose cruz

jose cruz got picked up by the astros for the league minimum. tim poopoora said they needed a good right handed bat to platoon against lefty pitching and a league average defender in the outfield coming off the bench.

(just kidding. trying to see if somebody's head would explode upon reading this.)

by sjoshi on Aug 17, 2006 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WHEW

don't do that....ever....again.

Albert Pujols is god with a lowercase "g". Let's go Redbirds, World Series '06 here we come!

by stlsportsfan on Aug 17, 2006 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I was cursing

hahah.

by sdrone on Aug 17, 2006 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good one!

I was laughing my arse off!

First, at Houston for picking up Cruz, then for the image of heads exploding.

by jdubya on Aug 17, 2006 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Deffinetly

I deffinetly cursed too since I think I am the person trying to push him the most. He just makes so sense. We need a platoon against Lefties and he smashes lefties. He is good in the field.

I really think TLR does not DFA cause Taguchi is Japanese. If he was Latino and had those numbers he would of dropped him a long ago. Stike that, he did just bring up Timo up.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 17, 2006 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As far as I'm concerned

this is a critical stretch. Our standing/attitude after this weekend should tell us a lot.

So we'll probably just stumble through. SIGH.

by sdrone on Aug 17, 2006 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds

I am a bit confused on how the Cardinals handle his type of injury, on a day to day basis. I know the Cards don't have much OF help in the minors (why else would they promote Timo?), but every day that Jimmy cannot play is a day with a short bench. Plus, LaRussa won't know if he has a short bench until that day since he will wait until Jimmy tells them how he feels.

The bench is already a bit short with Speizio's achilles problem. Why not put Jimmy on the DL, primarily to let him rest, and call up JRod (they can call him up now due to injury) and let him play RF on days when Encarnacion plays CF? JRod gives them a better bat than Timo (I think Skippy Shumaker gives them a better bat than Timo) and Jimmy can rest up for the last month's push.

As for Timo, I thought it was funny how Dan McLaughlin was bragging about how well Timo was hitting at Memphis. Memo to Dan - if Timo was that good, he would be playing at the major league level and not at AAA.

by stlfaninpa on Aug 17, 2006 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

BRING UP

COLBY RASMUS! NOWWWW!

(sorry, I don't mean that -- I just wanted to be the first wild overreaction of the day.)

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2006 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But ... but ... but ....

Timo's a VETERAN! How else will we have that VETERAN PRESENCE we need to be a championship team? How could we have won those 4 consecutive World Series rings without the VETERAN PRESENCE of Walker, Sanders, Martinez, Grudziela ...

Oh ... wait. Never mind.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 17, 2006 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds

Thanks for the guest post, but it failed to bring up the most alarming issue of the day - Jim Edmonds's possible post-concussion syndrome. And you thought our offense was pathetic w/ him in the lineup....just you wait.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2006 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My thoughts

Put Edmonds on DL -now-, call up JRod, move Enc to center, JRod in right. We don't need Timo.

by SirVLCIV on Aug 17, 2006 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was

thinking the same thing. And after seeing enc in center lastnight, it gives me hope that this will actually happen when JRod's 10 days are up.

by Birds on the Matt on Aug 17, 2006 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

JRod was sent down...

...on the 9th, which means that he can return on Saturday the 19th? or Sunday the 20th? Do they count the 9th as a day?

And more importantly, how pathetic is it that we are counting the days until we can bring back our 5th outfielder?

youneverknow

by meat on Aug 17, 2006 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it doesnt matter

how many days it had been if we put edmonds on the dl.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i couldnt

agree more with that idea. bernie thinks the same thing in his article in todays post.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bernie's bluntness:

But please allow me to be blunt: The Cardinals have been giving so many reasons about why they can't make moves, I doubt that Edmonds' absence will cause the organization to reconsider.

Truer words were never spoken...

by cardsrul on Aug 17, 2006 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually like Bernie

And most of his paper columns are pretty close to being right on the money... but there is something about him that makes me distrust him and his "insights." Maybe it's the "you heard it here first" vibe he puts out over every announcement or maybe it's his overall smugness.

I dont know...

The guys has been a fixture in the local media for 20 years now, so it doesnt seem like he's pulling a Jay Mariotti publicity splash or anything, it just seems like sometimes he's trying to outscoop somebody (maybe even himself) with every story and make himself a bigger name elsewhere.

Or, it's just that this Cardinals team is wearing thin on my every nerve and I have to hate on everything.

Probably the latter.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2006 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No your pretty right

I have been a fan of Bernie cause he gives good scoops on his forum that truthfully we just can't get anywhere else.

I think he is also trying to outscoop everyone too. He said before that he asks all the good questions for TLR in private so the TV guys can't get in on video.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 17, 2006 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crusty the Clown speaks

"Oi, I've pulled better games out of my ahh ... Hey, hey, kids! Wasn't that a great game! We'll get 'em next time! And, hey, we're still in first place!"

Don't know if it's just me, but it almost seems that LaRussa is doing his damndest to put as much pressure on the kid while at the same time giving him the shortest leash. Let's see: give him a pathetic lineup to back him up offensively; call the bullpen in the 3rd inning at the first sign of danger; gotta have him throw the HIT-ME-ball, I mean, two-seamer as much as possible.

Reminds of me of learning to drive and having my older sister in charge. I flick on the turn signal reaching for the windshield wipers and she freaks out like I'm trying to kill her; she never helps me again.

Tony/Dave, if you want this organizational philosophy applied to all of the minor league guys, mandate that the managers/coaches on the farm hammer it into the kids. Walt, don't bring somebody up who's not in line with the "right way." But if you're going to force Anthony to use the sinker in on-the-job-training, don't overreact; let him iron the pitch out like he does his caps; let him go 100 pitches if it kills him or you; don't pull him immediately because he did as you asked and it, not him necessarily, failed.

If the coaches give the gameplan to the catcher/pitcher, the pitcher mis-executes, and the pitcher fails, blame the pitcher. If the pitcher executes, but still fails, blame the coaches. If the pitcher CANNOT execute the gameplan as given, change the gameplan.

The purpose of being a teacher is to get your students to learn. That doesn't mean ramming your way of learning down their throats; that means finding out how they learn and adjusting you teaching style to accomodate that. And if your student comes up with a solution that follows a logical path, but is completely against the norm and is not a matter of pure luck, encourage it. Don't fuck up Sophie just because it's not "your way."

by Solanus on Aug 17, 2006 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

K to the C?

"hey, this pens got to last all day."

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Timo

You know the funny thing about Timo? He was on the White Sox WS roster last year. Also, he was horrible then. Yet, Sox fans still adored him. Why? I never understood. I went to a ton of Sox games last year (the tickets were dirt cheap) and every time I would just ask my friends or whoever was sitting beside me "how on earth can you like this guy?" Yet they always did . . .

Moral of the story? Maybe if we take him in and embrace him as the horribly subpar player he is, we'll win the world series!

by aet15 on Aug 17, 2006 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sorry

but i cant make myself embrace somebody who pops up with the bases loaded and two outs in the biggest game of the season.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh

Yeah, believe me, I agree. But somehow they put up with all of that, cheered him on day in and day out, and they won. . . a miracle? I think so. Could we repeat it? It'd be nice.

by aet15 on Aug 17, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It

sounds like he was the White Sox's (?!) answer to So Taguchi.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pujols hasn't done that?

by whopperman on Aug 17, 2006 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Angels/Rangers last night

Adam Kennedy charged the mound. That's the freaking equivalent of Miles charging.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

which

i totally wouldnt mind at all!

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some bad blood

Deffinetly some bad blood between those teams. They were a lot of beanings going on in the last 2 games. They hit Vlad than he jacked one in his next a bat. I guess it just carried over into the next game.

I saw him charge and once he got there he looked like he didn't know what to do.

You guys remember when Robin Ventura got his butt kicked by Nolan Ryan? You know Ryan didn't even get ejected from that game. That was easily the best charge mounding of all time.

I tried to find a video to no avail though.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 17, 2006 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Charge mounding?

n/t

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 17, 2006 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

the Robin Ventura/Nolan Ryan fight was classic. Nolan is a bad-ass.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think we are moving Weaver up to

match Supp against Zambrano

Weaver is moving up imo to match up his spot in the rotation w/ Mulder who also pitches tonight. I would seem to me that Weaver looks to be getting the bump when Mulder returns...

Too bad they aren't matching Mulder up w/ Marquis' start day.

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2006 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ah

hell... everybody but Carp sucks anyway.

Where have you gone, Woody Williams?

Cardinal Nation turns it's lonely eyes to you.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2006 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A loss is a loss is a loss...

...and as bad as the pitching was early, the Cardinals were still in that game. They had the runners they needed on in the 8th and in the 9th (or was it the 7th) and just couldn't get the big hit. I know that is a part of baseball and teams that can't get the big hit aren't good teams, but opportunity was there. It wasn't like the Pirates game in which APU accounted for all but 1 of the hits.

I watched the whole game last night because they kept giving me hope with people on.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

PCS

Post Concussion Syndrome is scary. I played hockey for my first two years of college, when concussions and PCS made me stop. I ended up having symtoms for months, good luck Jimmy on that not happening with you. The fact that Jim Edmonds is a baseball player worries me a little. MLB and its training staffs have typically allowed players to come back a little on the quick side from concussion injuries, sometimes with negative effects(i.e. Eckstein). If this was the NHL he'd automatically be shut down for a couple of weeks. Say what you want, but when you really get to the guts of the matter Jim has always put it all on the line, which is exactly what he SHOULDN'T when he's battling PCS. Trust me, no botched NL Central race is worth his quality of life. Best of luck, Go Cardinals and Weaver-Is it wrong that I get sick when I say that?

by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 17, 2006 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I GOT SICK

reading it

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If jimmy goes to DL

I would get P wilson, or sweep in and get eric henske if thats possible not completley sure on how the waiver deal works if red socks dont get him does he stay a jay? he could play right nad Juan in Center...

Jrod is not the answer sorry if they could get wilson for dirt cheap he is much better D wise than Jrod...

or my other thought if they fall completly out of this race DL Jimmy and Albert let that elbow heal he is the franchise...my opinions

by punchinjudy on Aug 17, 2006 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was at the game last night...

we looked real flat. Basically after Pujols hit into the DP in the first, the Cards conceded the game. Reyes wasn't fooling people too much and got hammered on a few bad bad pitches. The worst part was the lineup.

Timo Perez
Juan Enc
Miles
Bennett
Reyes

Juan Enc had no confidence at the plate last night and looked bad. Probably because of Timo in front of him and Miles behind him. Not much protection. Anyways after Rolen batted you knew there weren't gonna be any runs scored for at least 2 innings.

The kicker was that Albet had an off night as well. Normally it wouldn't matter too much, but with that putrid lineup we really needed Al to produce. Crappy game to be at basically.

Go Cards.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Biggest...game...of the year...

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

I feel the 3 upcoming games vs the Cubs are more important.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which we'll likely drop all of

do we even get a Carpenter start in that one? Third game maybe?

It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 17, 2006 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soriano put on waivers?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/08/16/nationals.soriano.ap/index.html

Anyone else see this?

by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 17, 2006 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Fishing expedition by the Nats

It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 17, 2006 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lineups are posted

ugh

bottom of order: Taguchi vs a righty, then molina and weaver.

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hereyago

Reds

Ryan Freel, RF
Scott Hatteberg, 1B
Ken Griffey Jr., CF
Edwin Encarnacion, 3B
Adam Dunn, LF
Rich Aurilia, SS
Brandon Phillips, 2B
David Ross, C
Kyle Lohse, P

Cardinals

David Eckstein, SS
Chris Duncan, LF
Albert Pujols, 1B
Scott Rolen, 3B
Juan Encarnacion, RF
Ron Belliard, 2B
So Taguchi, CF
Yadier Molina, C
Jeff Weaver, P

youneverknow

by meat on Aug 17, 2006 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fine

best no edmonds/no jrod/no outside help lineup we can put out there right now.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

bad lineup...

but it still looks better than last night's group of misfits.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hinske to the BoSox...

If you ask me, we could've used him now without JED coming back any time soon.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2006 All-Rookie Team

Here is an Article by SI about the All-Rookie Team

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/john_donovan/08/17/allrookie.team/index.html

You might notice a few Cardinal names on there.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 17, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good to see

others take notice of our few rookie bright spots.

But man, of man, I'd love to have Zumaya (sp?) on the Cards squad. He is FUN to watch pitch.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2006 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no Reyes?

I didn't see Reyes on there, I guess he doesn't deserve it too much. Man his stock has dropped since everyone was putting him in the Liriano, Verlander, Weaver group after the 1 hitter vs. the White Sox.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds on the pregame with Rooney..

says he doesn't know when it happened...

has had it for the last week...

almost missed a couple of fly balls in Pitts...

day off Sunday didn't help...

Tests thus far have been negative (the 'good' negative), will likely get results of blood tests today...

Says if blood tests come back negative, he'll just sack up and play (my words).

youneverknow

by meat on Aug 17, 2006 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This

Season has somehow gone from bad to worse.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

HA....

'sack up and play'

That's like we were making fun of him yesterday for saying he didn't want to come out of the game. It went something like this:

Tony and trainer run out to CF
TLR:'Hey, how ya feelin' bub?
JED: 'I'm alright, skip, I think I can keep going'
TLR: 'Come on now, JED...are you sure?'
JED: 'Yeah, I've had it worse than this before'
TLR: 'Jim...you do realize you were FACING the CF wall when Chris got ready to pitch'
JED: 'Uh....yeah, I just didn't want anything to get over my head'
TLR: 'Come with us, Jim.'

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

cracked me up...

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Day game....

and I like our chances today...I think Weaver will nut it up and we'll see some bats come to life. Hey?... it's better than being depressed about them.. Game will start in a minute and I'm watching...working from home..things could be worse.

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

At least Jeff Weaver

knows how to wear his hat. Tony Reyes, are you paying attention?

The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Aug 17, 2006 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Red Snappa...

...man, he looks REALLY good some times.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Albert....

man....has he hit into more double plays this last week than his entire career or what?.. thank god Phillips fumbled the ball and Dunc upended him...

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dunc

he's pretty darn good at breaking up the double play. I guess it has a lot to do with his size, but its good to see him take that hard-nosed slide into 2nd.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

a ground out by pujols...

seems pretty common lately...

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Juan ...man....

I was really hoping for a 1st inning , 2 out rally there....

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not capitalizing on opportunities

will be our downfall for yet another game.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love Weaver's reactions....

...he's seemingly willing the ball to do whatever he wants it to do. He pointed Griffey's ball foul and he buckled his back on Dunn's as if for it to check up.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

holy cow

that was some kind of fly ball..

by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2006 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

belliard, taguchi, molina

i can't wait for this inning!

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How's weaver looking?

I'm gamecasting it while i'm at work, so I can't see. How's he looking? Are the flyballs he's giving up hard hit? or routine? Getting good movement?

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

his movement

seems to be all right, though im hoping he starts getting more groundouts. that and the fact hes going 2-0 on many batters are the my main concerns.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's good to have Shannon back on the radio

Rick Horton was making my ears bleed.

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2006 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

belliard...So...Molina...

was that the quickest 1-2-3 in the history of baseball or what?...wow.

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

three

marquis at bats wouldve taken more time.

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 17, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's assuming

you're not trying to watch it on Gamecast (or cbssportsline).

by Solanus on Aug 17, 2006 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

game looks like

a pitching duel

by kylewest on Aug 17, 2006 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

indeed...

weaver is doing his job and looking okay so far...sure would like to see some offense though...

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well....Weaver is ptiching pretty...

...Lohse was playing with fire early.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eckstein...

is quickly becoming my least favorite player on the team :P

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

SI.com

has a picture of Weaver in his L.A. cap ... his Dodgers cap.

I've yet to find a promptly updated gamecast from anybody (MLB, CBS, FOX, SI). Anyone know of a good one I can follow at work?

by Solanus on Aug 17, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

espn.com

by PGeorge on Aug 17, 2006 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sports.yahoo.com

That's the one I usually use. It has less info that most of the others, but I think it's generally a bit faster to update (sometimes ahead of Shannon and Rooney on MLB Gameday audio).

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 17, 2006 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A guy from work just told me...

...that after the Cubs sweep the Cards this weekend, they'll only be 8 games back of us. And I had no clever retort.

by EBroglio on Aug 17, 2006 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I usually try

"Well, it's good to have goals."

'Cause that's about all I can say.

by sdrone on Aug 17, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

anyone else having

Trouble with the various blogs. I can't get some football ones to load, and even the reds blog wont load. Is it my computer or is everyone having issues?

by kylewest on Aug 17, 2006 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

everyone

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

cd should start giving

pujols hitting lessons.

by PGeorge on Aug 17, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pujols grounds out again...

Quick! Act surprised!

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well Chris...

..I guess you're just going to have to hit homeruns from here on out. Seemingly Pujols and Rolen don't want to nut up and get a hit with a runner on in the BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

AGHHH...

Nothing kills me more than lead off WALKS...and it is their 1st baserunner of the day....and Jr.up now....where is my Pepcid?....

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

woops..

1 out walk... sorry...but Jr. gets the first hit and now 2 on and 1 out...here we go again..

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awhile ago, I promised a review of the Busch

Stadium DVD set.

Here it is:
http://dvdinmypants.com/reviews/O-V/st_louis.php

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DVD In My Pants?

Best website name ever.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2006 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

TLR is a moron...

stealing with Belliard?

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Belly caught stealing

At least we have the big sticks leading off the 5th.

by EBroglio on Aug 17, 2006 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Belliard was safe...

...the ball beat him but the tag was high up on the leg.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it was close...

might have been safe..but the throw beat him....at least they are being aggresive...I'm Mr. Positive today...

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

think about it.

how else do the Cards stand a chance to score that inning? Back to back hits by So and yadi? Yeah right. Stealing was the obvious choice there.

by stltrav09 on Aug 17, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

duncan and weaver.......

Hope they can keep this up for a couple of more months.

Duncan is pretty much the teams best hitter right now.....and Weaver has had a couple of good games in a row......which doesn't sound like that big of a deal, until you remember how sucky most of the Cards pitchers have been.

by icf on Aug 17, 2006 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Weaver

He's working at an 11 P/IP pace, too.

Sixth inning should be a big one--both lineups turn over for their third time through.

by liam on Aug 17, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How bout

How Bout we put Taguchi, Molina, Eckstein, Timo Perez, Miles, and Belliard on a ship that never returns.

ALl those guys are not playing like MLB caliber players anymore.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 17, 2006 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Molina on the ship.....

don't put Molina on that boat since that only leaves Bennett to catch, and he makes Molina (or even me) look like a decent hitter.

by icf on Aug 17, 2006 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

....one other thing.....

Does Taguchi have pictures of TLR eating a steak or kicking a dog???

I'm am so sick of seeing his terrible at bats and over rated defense.....send his butt down to Memphis and bring JRod back up on Saturday.

by icf on Aug 17, 2006 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why, why, why

Are we struggling against Loshe? Someone, somewhere, must run the numbers to see if we really do make bad pitchers look great.

by jimstllax on Aug 17, 2006 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure the Reds are saying the same thing

about Weaver.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No joke

I'd love to say "Way to go, Weaver!" but I can't trust his pitching when Loshe is also throwing up zeros. When you have two 6+ ERA pitchers blanking teams, something ain't right.

by jimstllax on Aug 17, 2006 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I miss 2004...

It was so much fun watching such a good offense. Oh how pathetic we are now.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WEAVA!

This is just spectacular on his part.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I feel like I did...

...when I realized that Juan wasn't as bad as I'd been saying. Slightly guilty. Almost ready to take it all back. But not quite yet.

Keep making me eat my words, Jeff!

by EBroglio on Aug 17, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he is economical here...

...and we go 3 up 3 down the next two innings, he could go 9.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Although, I wouldn't be suprised...

...if we lost this game 1-0 off of a Freel HR.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope...

A GRIFFEY homer ...

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Weaver...

I think after what he has shown today?...there is NO way that they can take him out of the rotation for Mulder don't you think?...The guy who must be sweat'in today is Marquis!

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reyes brought his ticket to Memphis...

with his 3 HRs given up last night. Weaver's performance today just put him on the train. If Marquis pitches halfway decent in his start then he'll put the train in motion.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

weavers last 2 starts

have been good enough to be wins..and no runs suppot..if he go tth esupport marquis gets geez hed have at least 2 more wins and th ebull pen blew one so thatd be 3

by punchinjudy on Aug 17, 2006 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

saw that coming...

... still a great start by weaver.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Game Over

Our weak ass offense won't even put up 1.

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hell of a battle between Weav & Jr

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and...shit

but Weaver killed some fools today...normally would get the W but not today...

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Weaver....you've done well...

...but next time don't shake off Yadi so many freaking times!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why do I have the feeling

that this game is over.. even with the score being only 1-0 and a guy with 6+ ERA on the mound for the other team?

by stltrav09 on Aug 17, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cause Tony will probably...

..turn it over to the bullpen and they'll give up 2 more.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is the saddest part

I'm with you. This year 1-0 seems insurmountable. The last 2 years, you knew we would come back.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you gotta love

seeing weaver compete. i don't care so much that he just gave up that hr to griffey, you just gotta love the fact he is giving us everything he has. he is trying to keep us in this game. let's put some runs on the board for the guy!

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oblique!!!

be careful, Al.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If I were about to come to bat

I'd be fired up to get Weaver some runs...he's battled like crazy and has given a shit when no one else has...I hope this puts a spark in the team...C'mon Scotty!!

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we are going to come back....

there is no way we lose this game ...not after what Dream Weaver has done out there..Keep the faith..we still have Chris Duncan and so many others are Due...they will come back...keep saying it..

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nota bene

Was the Griffey HR on a bad pitch? Or was it just Junior being a Hall of Famer?

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

shit

I've been commenting on various boards for I dunno how long and for some reason I type my own nick into the subject line....that's a new one...

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mostly Jr. being a HOFer...

... it was a 92 mph fastball that prolly caught a bit too much of the plate. but it wasn't a horrible pitch, and Weava didn't want to walk him. it was a 12 pitch AB. good battle. Jr. won.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

let's see what our squad is really made of now

we're down by a run, at home, with 9 outs left, to our closest divisional foe. this is gut-check time. let's go cards!

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Off-Topic

Does anyone—Whopperman maybe—know whether Brian Daubach is injured? Toca's made every start at first since signing with Memphis except for one where Garrett and Wathan split duties there.

Nice to see Weaver come right back after 'em after the hard-fought homer by Griffey.

by liam on Aug 17, 2006 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OT Again

While looking for Daubach news, I found this story that was good for a laugh.

by liam on Aug 17, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

DL

Daubach's been on the DL for a long time. A month or more, at least.

And that article was a pretty good one -- my dad was very disappointed to find out that Daubach didn't pick Mr. Roboto.

by whopperman on Aug 17, 2006 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Much Appreciated

Thanks for the info.

by liam on Aug 17, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

YEAH SCOTTY!!!!!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

YEAH!

Rolen!!

by stltrav09 on Aug 17, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we needed that shit...

... big knock, Scotty.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

woo hoo!

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Albert Pujols on Dave Letterman, Aug. 25!!

Go Rolen! Put him on, too!

by craig3410 on Aug 17, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HELL YEAH SCOTTY!!!!!

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

tied up

good stuff...way to pick up the Weave, Scotty....

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ENC!

Nice wheels baby! Let's ride this momentum!

by stltrav09 on Aug 17, 2006 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

tide is turning boys.....

Here we go....lets have a nice rally and bury these bums!

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey Belliard...

want the fans to start loving you? How about beat out a triple and plate Enc.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Alright boys...

Let's put a crooked number up there!!

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Something's cooking...

Let's get that 6+ ERA to finally catch up with Loshe

by jimstllax on Aug 17, 2006 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And it's a shit biscuit

by jimstllax on Aug 17, 2006 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dan is on crack

We are not going to bunt in a hitter's count with nobody out.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's go...

Ro-Bell!

by KeepOnRolen on Aug 17, 2006 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Raffy

Shouldn't flail at that pitch ona 2-0 count

by KeepOnRolen on Aug 17, 2006 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It was

a hit and run

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's Ronny...by the way...

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Aug 17, 2006 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Farney

woulda caught that.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Taguchi

is the worst player in baseball. Once again, I hate TLR

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Belliard + Gooch =

no more rally

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

anybody up in the pen?

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wainwright

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know I'm beating a dead horse but

I am SO sick of SO Taguchi! He is pathetic!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

SOooooooooooooooooooo Crappy

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So it's all up to Chris Duncan now...

....Duncan with a 2-out HR in the 8th, Izzy closes the door.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

talk about a rally killer...

Taguchi is just not the answer for Center ..he has ZERO offense in him.. that was just pathetic.

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Weaver...

he's at 101 pitches. Tony better have a quick hook. I'd be a shame if he left him in to absorb a beating after his performance today.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Flores and Wainwright

up in the pen....Jeff's fading fast... Phillips leadoff double is going to make this a scary inning.

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll hate Tony forever..

if he brings in Flores.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He won't come in

unless it gets to Hatteberg. or they bring in a lefty to hit here.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish..

we had someone in our 'pen who i had confidence in that could strike people out.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can I ask

who's pitching and what did he do with Jeff Weaver?

If Duncan truly fixed Weaver, do you think we can get a hometown discount?

by SirVLCIV on Aug 17, 2006 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

weaver out...wainwright in ...man on 3rd..1 out.

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good job Jeff...

lets not blow it for him and lets get some offense boys. COME ON.

"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Aug 17, 2006 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

seconded

Weaver did a good job....

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Christ, here comes Flores...

...there goes 1st place.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wheew....

Wainwright.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Weaver looked Very good.

It would be ashame if he gets a loss in this game.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tell me Weaver got a good hand from the home crowd

I gave him one here in my office!

by EBroglio on Aug 17, 2006 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

When was

the last time a starter received an ovation like that coming out of the game?

by cardsrul on Aug 17, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How often

Has Wainwright come in the game during the middle of an inning, especially with people on?

by jimstllax on Aug 17, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that's what I was thinking

TLR must be nervous

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that curveball

was SICK

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Huge K

Way to go Adam!

by jdubya on Aug 17, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Way to go Adam!!!

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

please don't let farney beat us...

...please.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Is it simply the breaking ball?

I remember someone commented that he was landing differently, which helped his breaking pitches spin.

by SirVLCIV on Aug 17, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Alright...

let's get Farney out here.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wainwright shines

And that damn Valentin is no easy strikeout!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yes

nice job....feels wonderful to be complimenting Cards pitching again

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice pitching all around today!

by OCCardsFan on Aug 17, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It was refreshing to see a pitcher other than Carp

to actually listen to Yadi.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice job

by Adam; no thanks to that asshat Dale Scott.

by cardsrul on Aug 17, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Attaboy Wainwright!!!

Now let's put a few across and bring Izzy in to close it out.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Now THAT was what a relief pitcher looks like!

Great job Adam!

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Who

hits for Wainwright this inning?

Molina
PH
Eck

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Please God

not Timo

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

TIMOooooh shit

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

down goes farney!

thank god they put wainwright in, rather than flores.

on fsn, dan said "some might be wondering why you don't go with the lefty against the lefty here..."

hah! i guarantee, no one was thinking "shit, they're putting wainwright in? why not flores..he's a lefty!"

by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2006 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

haha

i bet as soon as he said that, he chided himself.

Oh shit, was that out loud?

by effin fisk on Aug 17, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

whew...

big time pitching right there. way to pick up weaver in back-to-back innings, first with rolen's hr and then with adam doing his thing. i'm liking this momentum. let's just keep it tied for albert coming up in the bottom of the 9th...

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh god, here comes Timo.

by jdubya on Aug 17, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hooray for pinch hitters

with worse batting averages than Yadi.

by effin fisk on Aug 17, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Most Pathetic Stat

Here is one of the saddest stats

So Taguchi Post-All Star

.185/.241/.278/.519

Wow absoutely wow. He needs to get the hell out of here now.

by DimitroffVodka on Aug 17, 2006 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

....and he can take Timo with him

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you notice

they announced Tomo Perez as the pinch hitter and no one in the background in the camera shot even applauded?

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We need to put one up and in on freel

by Schnake on Aug 17, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Timo blows

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And why was J-Rod sent down?

So, we could have Timo?!

by jdubya on Aug 17, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

fuck this farney fuck

fuck him in his stupid fucking ass.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice catch?

all i know is that Eckstein flied out on the first pitch.

by effin fisk on Aug 17, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

full out diving catch.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

another...

... diving, full-extension grab.

this kid just kills us in the field.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

he made a diving stab. Not as good as his Pujols grab but it'll make the web gems tonight.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

God I hate Farney

I wish we had him

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If Izzy can get 3 outs

without a run, we are set up for 9th inning heroics with Dunc, AP and Rolen due up. Then again, that's a big IF.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this is a good game.

both teams really look like they know what's at stake and are playing urgency. both teams have their 2-3-4 hitters coming up in the 9th.

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

On the bright side

we'll have these guys coming up in the 9th:

Duncan
Pujols
Rolen

I like our chances to plate someone. And I really want to see a walkoff from Pujols. Need to see the big man smile a little.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Crap...

...I'm alittle worried with Izzy coming in to face Hatteberg, Griffey, Encarnacion.

If he can get past them, I think we win in the bottom of the 9th. I just am not sure he can get past them.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oh ......mannnn.....

Freel makes another diving catch to end a inning....and now Izzy comes in with 8 days of rust.....I'm just not getting a good feeling here...

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

has Timo gotten a nickname in STL yet?

Timo Inevitably Makes an Out.

...or something like that.

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I would just call him

"that guy who sucks"

But he might get confused with Taguchi and Bennett.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

timo doesn't just suck

at least Gooch and Bennett occasionally make good plays....I haven't seen anything from Timo that makes me even think he's ever played baseball before....

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The White Sox fans called him..

"This Idiot Makes Outs".

We'll steal it. :)

by craig3410 on Aug 17, 2006 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How bout Turdmo?

by jdubya on Aug 17, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When

my girlfriend asked "who the hell is this guy?" during the game, all I could find in response was "oh...um... don't worry about that guy. He's useless."

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2006 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

izzy hasn't pitched...

... in over a week (Reds walk-off). hopefully he gets rid of the rust quickly.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

oh for GODS SAKE......

THROW SOME FRICKING STRIKES IZZY!!!

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it wasn't

all Izzy. Dale Scott is a shitty umpire.

by cardsrul on Aug 17, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

presented without comment:

Shannon just said, "If you get Hatteberg out here, right now, we'll win this thing."

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 17, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OK Birds

Don't make Mike Shannon a liar!

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 17, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Shannon knows all.

by whopperman on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hell of a play

by both Pujols and Izzy.

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's some Cardinals baseball.

Nice play.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Belly plays so deep!

I was stunned when I saw Gameday say that was a groundout.

by EBroglio on Aug 17, 2006 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

YES!!!!!

Let's go win this thing!!!!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

RIGHT ON...

Now lets close these suckers down....

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here we go

If we can't get a run here, we may be playing for a while.

by jimstllax on Aug 17, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think I just saw Uncle Mo sitting next to

FREDBIRD!

One of these 3 better make it happen. I'm feeling a Pujols walkoff here.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wanna win!!

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 17, 2006 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This one...

...has the makings of either a great win or a crushing defeat. Turn the tide!!!

by EBroglio on Aug 17, 2006 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No out recorded on Gameday.

The suspense is killing me...

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 17, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

here we go

Duncan's a fucking rockstar....

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bunt Rolen

I don't care

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

umm...

... walk Pujols. that's weird. i'll bet Rolen could bunt for a hit.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

bunt with rolen?

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It would be a tough call

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why isn't rolen bunting?

?????????

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

THATS WHY

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree...

tlr is making a BIG mistake. what happened to traditional smart cardinals' baseball?!

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

THATS WHY

Now lets hear it.. say "nice job letting him hit there Tony!"

If Rolen bunts, they walk Enc and the bases are loaded w/ one out for Belliard and So.......

by stltrav09 on Aug 17, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

we bunt with rolen

= belliard with bases loaded with 1 out = cards win...

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That would

Definitely earn my respect for him.

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh course the first exciting game

in months is a day game that i'm missing at work.

sheesh.

by effin fisk on Aug 17, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love having cable in the office!

(Sorry, had to)

by whopperman on Aug 17, 2006 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a winner!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ahhh

it's always nice to come in right at the end of a stressful game to see the win.

Robb sure called this one.

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

YES!!!!

alright. i needed that.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Screw the bunt

I was wrong!!! Happily!!!

Broglio for Brock!!!

by allenbrent on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ROLENNNNNNNN

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Way to go Scotty!

What a win! Huge!

by jdubya on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ATTABABY ROLEN!

by whopperman on Aug 17, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i don't even know what happened

but gameday says run-scoring play. that's enough for me. please excuse me while i do a jig at my desk.

by effin fisk on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rolen...

... hit a splitter that was down and outside through the right side of the infield and Farney's throw was off, or else they might've had Dunc.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice

Scott Rolen for President.

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WOOOOOO

This is the most pumped I've been in awhile! Let's go get those Cubbies!!!

by stltrav09 on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Robb said

"Of course, you know it will be a 2-1 game."

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh Boy...

What would we do with out Rolen. Boy do I love this guy.

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How about THAT!

Duncan, you can be my #2 hitter anytime.

by jimstllax on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice call

robb on the 2-1

by PGeorge on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good call, Rob!

2-1 win after all

The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow...

so happy right now!!!

by stlspecialsauce on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hardcore Legend

nice review of that DVD set.

by kindred on Aug 17, 2006 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks...

...figured Redbird fans would enjoy it and would like to know what they are getting.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

My officemates are looking at me funny.

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Chris Duncan....

is just awesome man....another three hits today and scores the winning run....If Tony EVER takes him out of the line-up again because of a lefty starter....I swear I'll strangle him!!

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

just added him to my fantasy team

should've done it weeks ago.

by effin fisk on Aug 17, 2006 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amen..

especially as long as he's on my fantasy team. Now if we can just get something going in Wrigleyville. Come on Albert, time to bring your season avg in Chitown up to snuff!

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 17, 2006 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shannon's back in the booth

and i think he's brought some luck with him.

by effin fisk on Aug 17, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Duncan

i'm sure glad we haven't been playing this duncan kid all year long, that would have been a horrible idea.

by gdowdy3 on Aug 17, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2-1

robb, you are an effing genius

by sjoshi on Aug 17, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Way to beat that steroid freak Franklin

It's one thing to be a roid-head, its a completely different thing to be a roid head and SUCK. BOO-YAH!

by EBroglio on Aug 17, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Scott Rolen

I love you...

I'm going to my happy place now.

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 17, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

For those that couldn't see it....

Duncan basehit up the middle
Pujols walks
Rolen sees a couple pitches, behind on an 85 mph pitch, lets an inside driveable one pass then rips a ball past the second basemen

Oquendo sends Duncan from second, throw gets there in time but is way off line, bedlam breaks out.

Pujols and Rolen hug, team jumps on Duncan, then go out to Rolen, life is good again.

Duncan goes 9 for 13 in the biggest series of the season. Welcome to St. Louis, Chris. Enjoy the next 4 years, I know I will.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And that's a winner!

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Duncan only gets to play...

because of nepotism!!! Haha. Where are the people who used to say that now?

Anyone think this win can possibly spark the Cards into a nice winning streak?

That's beer, that's Budweiser.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 17, 2006 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How good ....

does the rest of the day look now?...I swear the entire rest of the afternoon is just so damn rosey now!! I can just sit back and enjoy one of the finer wins for this team this season...a

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to set this game to burn to DVD..

...take a shower, go to work and then come home and watch it again.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2006 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL...

That sounds like a really great evening my friend.....you just enjoy the hell out of it!!

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't look now

but the Cards just won a series. Now let's go take a series at Wrigley!!

by dccardsfan on Aug 17, 2006 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

RE: Don't look now

Can we please make it a sweep?

I'm going to my happy place now.

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 17, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And not the usual kind

And not the usual kind of sweep?

by birdjam on Aug 17, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and Izzy gets the win

his rep is undeserved....he has stunk a few times this year but damn. He got the 2-3-4 men and the W.

Weaver and Duncan have been nice surprises, especially Weaver....now if Timo Perez would go on a hot streak I'll buy a lottery ticket.

by nota bene on Aug 17, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not the biggest Izzy fan....but...

I think the thing that impressed me the most today?...he went 3-0 to the first batter...and I was about to throw a brick at the TV....and he just settled down and made some great pitches after that.. Kudos to ya Jason...nice friggin job.

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not an Izzy guy by any means

But he did a hell of a job there. Credit where credit is due.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2006 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay....so the Cubs....

I really hope that they now call up Jrod and stick him in right field and let Juan take over Center if Jim E. is not ready to go. Taguchi is absolutely terrible at the plate. If Tony wants to put him in for defense in the 8th or 9th...fine...but this guy can not start a game this weekend...

by Timbo02 on Aug 17, 2006 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs