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Game 87 Open Thread: July 9, 2006

you all saw that coming, right?

when zpiezio came to the plate in the 9th inning as the cardinals' last hope, the stl offense had made 16 consecutive outs; so surely you anticipated that the next four men would reach base off lidge and pull the cards even at 6-6. i mean, how obvious was that?

i was following the action on MLB Gameday while sitting through the end of an 8-hour training session in a windowless room. there were nearly 40 of us, all working on laptops and logged in to the same wireless LAN -- which didn't have quite enough signal to go around. each trainee would periodically (say, every half-hour or so) get dropped from the system and have to punch in a few keystrokes to get back online; it then took a few clicks/strokes more to reactivate Gameday. the routine got old very quickly, and i felt like saying, "screw this; i give up" at any number of points. but, vexing as it was, i punched in my keys and kept waiting for the damn thing to reload . . . .

and that has been the stl fan's season in a nutshell. we keep having these outages -- the back-to-back sweeps in cincy/houston at the beginning of may; the 1-5 swoon in early june, during which albert got hurt; and of course the 3-13 freefall that began in comiskey park -- and during the interruptions we sit there staring at blank screens, for what often seems an interminable period, waiting for the season to boot back up and the wins to begin streaming again. nothing more aggravating; you want to walk away. but you don't. you can't.

hopefully yesterday's comeback signaled that the cardinals are dialed back in and reconnected to the server. they blew three games like that in june -- games they led heading into the 9th. now they've got one of 'em back -- and maybe, too, a little of their mojo. i'd like to say that this was a turning point, and maybe it will prove to be such; but you could also argue that the cardinals yesterday didn't play much differently from how they played on the cleveland-kc homestand, and that the main thing that changed was one more or less random outcome on a 2-out, 2-on, 3-2 pitch in the top of the 9th. you could argue that the team was simply due for some better luck, that after coming up just short in about half a dozen close games over the last 5 weeks, chance alone dictated that they should finally win one.

but i'm putting my money on mojo, and here's why. at various intervals throughout this season, some of you guys have described a certain expression of pujols' -- the i'm-hitting-a-homer-now look. i never knew what y'all were talking about and, frankly, thought you were a little crazy . . . . until yesterday. then i saw it, right after the buzz job by oswalt -- a deadly little assassin's smile as he waited for the 1-0 pitch. didn't see it live, of course, but i saw it 50 times on sportscenter. that didn't seem random to me; that appeared to be one incredibly hard-headed man staring down another incredibly hard-headed man and saying: i am going to impose my will upon you. now that's mojo.

call it mojo or call it dumb luck -- the cards won their 1st back-to-back games in three weeks, and now have a chance to win their 1st series in the same span. their lead in the standings -- 3 games -- is exactly where it was the day albert went onto the disabled list; they have gone 13-18 since then.

i wouldn't bet on them going 13-18 over the next 31 games.

quick minor-league note: eric haberer graduated to double a and made his debut there last night, pitching springfield to a win with 6 solid innings. his stay may only be temporary -- he's replacing stu pomeranz, who is on the disabled list with a strained oblique . . . .


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I absolutely
failed to see that coming. But I didn't turn it off. I learned during last season not to give up too soon, after experiencing the joy of the big 9th inning comebacks against Cincy and San Fran, and the self-loathing I felt after I missed Eck's walk-off against Atlanta...which couldn't hold a candle to how I felt when I missed "the Lidgebreaker".

You're absolutely right about "the assassin's grin". That was awesome. If anyone can get a still-frame of that, I'd like to put it on my desktop. :-)

"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I saw it...
... in fact I stayed up until 1:30 am to get it, unfortunately from Italy it is really difficult to be able to follow a game live on Gameday.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Jul 9, 2006 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

AAAAAARGH!!!
Today's match is scheduled at 8 pm e.t.!!! I really wanted to follow the game at the usual 1pm... sigh!!!

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Jul 9, 2006 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Night games are nice if you're in Europe...
You get the result at 6am, then can go about your day.

by guayzimi on Jul 9, 2006 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but...
... no way to see them, I would have to wake up at 2am, then go again to sleep at about 5am and then wake up at 6am.... maybe if we go to the WS.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Jul 9, 2006 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm gonna continue to gloat
and say i saw it coming. http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/7/8/19556/68056/1#1

but really, i didn't see the spiezio hr coming. i didn't see duncan reaching, or eck walking. I was listening on the radio, so I didn't see the look until the replays became available on mlb.com. That's definetly the look.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Here it is
"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

iron duke you are the man!
thanks for finding that, it made my morning.

by jroman on Jul 9, 2006 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to hear it :-)
I've been watching the HR video all morning. It just doesn't get old...
"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where
is the video at?

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been watching it
on the Card's homepage (under "Pujols' Game-winner").

ESPN also has a video clip in their game recap.

"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks
Greatly appriciated. :)

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You bet :-)
"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ironduke
Did you record this game on your PC?  If so, could I get a copy of it?

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I didn't record it
I just watched it on MLB.TV...
"I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it."

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Notice the concentration in the eyes
That's not the only thing, however. There are times when he has the concentration, but it looks forced. When he homers he also has a certain calm about him, as if he's confident of what's about to happen. When this is missing, he's more antsy at the plate and moving around more.

I'm one of those who have been saying that you can tell when he's going to homer, but I have to admit that I didn't see it coming last night. Still, I wasn't the least bit surprised when he did and think I may have just become so used to it that it doesn't stand out to me much anymore. It was as if I figured that he'd homer when he stepped to the plate and then had any doubt erased when Oswalt buzzed him and stopped examining his expressions from that moment on.

Btw, the last series we played before Albert went down, we took 2 of 3 from Houston at Busch III. In game 1 of that series, Albert went 0-3 against Oswalt, but later hit a go-ahead and game-winning homerun against Chad Qualls in the 7th inning. Maybe it's a sign?

If I were Houston, I don't think I'd ever pitch to Pujols again.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not just the look...
...but there appears to be an extra notch he 'lowers' himself into his stance when he's going to hit a homerun.  I've brought it up in the past, but it looks like he's putting an extra effort into it.

When we are down, and he comes to the plate, my family will plead for him to get 'that squat going'.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying that he squats lower?
I haven't noticed, but that would make sense, considering that he probably wouldn't be moving around as much, like I mentioned above. I think he just looks more still at the plate when he has this calm look to him before he homers. He doesn't have this look everytime that he homers, but it's usually there for the big ones and when I think I can tell it's about to happen.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sportscenter
I was upset that despite showing the Oswalt brushback, then a close up on Albert's face, then the HR none of the sportscenter commentators that I heard said anything about the look.  It was clear from the video they played that he had "the look."  Oh well ESPN sucks as they screwed us yet again with a night game before the All-Star break.  What is that now like 5 or 6 times they've created problems for us by schedualing a night game for us at a crappy time.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first time
I saw "The Look" from Albert was that game in Wrigley a couple years back(can't remember which year, off hand), when he was knocked down by Kerry Wood, and on the very next pitch, he put one on Waveland. That was his defining moment, IMO, as a fearless, "I dare you to come inside again" hitter.

by cardsrul on Jul 9, 2006 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

jayson stark
i don't know if anyone remembers this article, but in the offseason jayson stark wrote an article for espn.com about all the stupid questions he gets sent to his email.  one of them was from a cardinal "fan" who asked him if he thought that the twins would trade us johan santana for pujols.  apparently, he didn't think that pujols was clutch enough because he could remember numerous times that pujols came up in important situations and didn't get the job done.

this was this past offseason mind you and so stark passed this question along to some of the gm's in the league and one of them anonymously wrote something to the effect of "why don't you ask brad lidge whether or not he thinks pujols is a good clutch hitter?"

i try to contain myself when talking about him since he just in his 6th year but i can't help but think he's the type of player we're going to be telling our grandchildren about...the way people do w/ mantle or mays or aaron.  not only is he the best player in the game but he is always trying to improve and is the best clutch player in the game.  he is to baseball what jordan was to basketball.  hopefully, he can get the rings that jordan did to validate it.

i'll try and find that link

by chuckb on Jul 9, 2006 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

that was hard
here is the google link to the article...you're going to have to be an espn insider to read it.  you didn't have to this offseason but the google link says it all.

ESPN.com - MLB - Stark: Amateur hour"I would like to see JOHAN SANTANA TRADED TO THE CARDINALS FOR ALBERT PUJOLS. I think Pujols is the most overrated player in the history of baseball. ...
sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/ story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2261063 - 127k  

http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2261063

by chuckb on Jul 9, 2006 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all cheesy with the craft stuff -
Albert has his own page in the scrapbook of my recent life (old & new Busch each have one too).  Next to a picture I took of him during a game, I simply wrote "I saw Albert Pujols play.  I can die happy."  I look forward to showing that one to my kids/grandkids and explaining why grandma can die happy.  I'm going to have to include one of those fantastic stills of "the assassin's smile".

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post
I love the introspection on this site, and this post is a great example of that.  

by Valatan on Jul 9, 2006 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks valatan
i feel the same way.  it's one good post after another!

by chuckb on Jul 9, 2006 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liriano
How does the best pitcher in baseball hands down, and maybe the most intriguing player generally, not end up in the all-star game?
Something like this would only happen in baseball...

by guayzimi on Jul 9, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Try this on for size...
Liriano is lights out right now.  He's seriously fooling hitters and has a shot to post the lowest ERA since Gibby.  However, he may only win that by default.

Jared Weaver, the one we didn't trade for, has pitched 6 games, winning all 6.  He has 36 ks and an ERA of 1.13.  Here's the rub: He only had 40.1 innings.  Meaning, by the end of the season to qualify, he'd needs 121.2 innings.  If he only pitched standard quality starts the rest of the way out, he would have to start 20 games in the second half of the season.

So, there is a good chance that Weaver could go say, 14-2 with a 1.25 ERA and not qualify for any season awards.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd still qualify for awards--
Rookie of the Year, Cy Young Award, MVP... he just may not end up with the 162 ip to qualify for the AL era title.

And he probably won't make the 162 ip---he's averaging 6-2/3 ip per start, and with 75 team games left, you figure he's got 15 starts left, max---that's only about another 100 ip, leaving him 20 or so short.

by salvomania on Jul 9, 2006 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

what whaat
I like Liriano--I've had him on my fantasy team for a year and a half--but I'd be absolutely stunned if he kept him ERA under 2.30 this year, let alone 1.56. His fielding independent ERA right now, when he is as dominant as anybody could reasonably expect, is 2.36.

To get his ERA that low in 1995, Maddux allowed four home runs in 202 innings.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 9, 2006 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will Reyes pitch in the futures game?
I'm guessing not, but don't wanna miss it if he will pitch.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

No
but Jamie Garcia is on the World roster, so he may get a chance.

by Big Red on Jul 9, 2006 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!
I just noticed his name on television.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian Giles...
has the same slugging % as Eckstein

by guayzimi on Jul 9, 2006 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

He's also playing
in what amounts to the Grand Canyon of ballparks.

by cardsrul on Jul 9, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right...
he's atrocious at home. But in 2004 he was better in Petco than away, and in 2005 he was a respectable .267/.378/.417 at home. The main thing is he can't seem to hit lefties any more -.531 ops.

Maybe the Cards are lucky they lost out on Burnett and Giles...

by guayzimi on Jul 9, 2006 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome game/pujols' clutchness
that game had the same feeling as those nlcs series with houston for me. i was watching it and just hoping and hoping we could get to lidge. it was exhilarating, and reminded me of the 2004 season a bit. we seemed to do this at will all of 2004.. that mojo or magic we had...those rare moments when YOUR team doesnt give up a run with the bases loaded and no outs, then puts up runs the next inning..when the opposing team makes one single error that leads to your getting bunches of runs with two outs. maybe we have some of it back, lets hope so..

as far as pujols being clutch, i posted about this awhile back, comparing him to lebron james this year...both guys in previous years always put up awesome stats, but didnt have the game winners at the end. both seemed to press a bit with the game on the line. not necessarly choking but not stepping up either.(albert used to roll the ball over for a harmless grounder to the shortstop a lot at the end of games) it was an almost fair criticism of both lebron and albert this year. now they have experience to go with their natural ability and talent. both seem to be too good to be true now. will be fun to watch. well albert will the nba sucks..  

by 2ndprize on Jul 9, 2006 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry but i can't stand Lebron
He comes off as way arogant, and not a team guyIMO. He was dubbed the next Jordan way too soon. As for Albert some would disagree his numbers have been great out of the box. In 04 He was the only Card that hit..if memory serves and again last year. He is always solid in playoff time at least the last 2 years.

Plus comparing Baseball and basketball is too hard...Pujols needed other guys before he could be clutch..good pitching other guys tying it. Clutch in the 10th but others helped him get there...Lebron could single handedly take over a game and not use his teamates(see Kobe)...i see you point, but would have to disagree...plus I cant stand Lebron...let him win a few rings before we call him MJ

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're impressions of Lebron James are
dead wrong.

He's a local grown talent who is dedicated to his community (is building housing for low-income families) and who is still very much a kid at heart while he is clearly the best player in his sport.

You hear narry a ill word spoken of Lebron as far as attitude, legal trouble, etc.  

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

true
and good point HC i was reffering to on court. He came out of HS with this I'm the man look. He has made comments after games and I'd be like wow...I guess some of that is normal, but it makes me want to puke. My point is this though which you didnt respond to, hard to compare bball and basbeball iMO

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

edit...
that should read lebron and albert clutchness might be able to be questioned UNTIL this year. both have found the clutchness and it will be scary for opponents for a decade or so..

by 2ndprize on Jul 9, 2006 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Request for Analysis on Reyes's Performance
Does anyone have any analysis to contribute re: Reyes' performance.  

There were some comments to the effect that his failings are due to the two-seamer.  This is a convenient narrative: the old "blame tony and dunc for not letting the Kid throw his game."  I say that it's convenient because the alternatives are that the Kid is not as good as we hoped, or that he's young and still could use some development before he's a consistent quality start hurler.  The HR to the Crawfish boxes also could have been dumb luck.

Does anyone have insight on which of these explanations is more accurate?

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Jul 9, 2006 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

the HR
in the Crawford Boxes wasn't dumb luck. It went 388 feet down the left field line, a homer in every  park. He hung a curve to Biggio, and to start the rally (if I remember correctly) he walked freakin' Brad Ausmus.

I haven't seen the most of the games on TV, so I don't know if he's throwing 2 seamers. It seems like yesterday most of the hits he gave up were when he had 2 strikes already. What I've heard on the radio, he's throwing 3 pitches. Fastball, curve, changeup.

It's hard for me to read, but the he's had 12 walks in 6 starts in the bigs, only 8 in 11 starts in the minors. It would seem to me he's lacking that killer instinct he had in Memphis. (and of course, the MLB ain't the PCL.) I don't know if it's just the fact that he's trying to be too perfect and struggling with his command, or if the reins are on him too tight.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't see
anything to worry about yet. he has made 7 major league starts and allowed more than 2 runs in only 2 of those; a couple of subpar starts don't concern me. and if his "bad" starts are 5 innings / 4 runs, i'm not worried.

i do think he's inconsistent with the 2-seamer, as you would expect --- it's a new pitch. but he has also been spotty with his 4-seamer the last couple of games, not nearly as sharp with it as we have seen in previous starts. that is bothersome; he needs to execute better on those pitches.

his relatively high walk total the last 3 games bothers me a lot more than the homers. as numerous people pointed out yesterday, his unforgivable mistake in the 5th innings was the walk to brad ausmus, not the homer to biggio.

also, yesterday he appeared to throw his changeup exclusively to left-handers, while featuring the curveball vs right-handers --- i don't understand the thinking behind that, as his straight change was a deadly out pitch in his 1st 3-4 starts.

his learning process is underway now, which is the main thing. he's clearly got a lot of tools. i'm glad he's in the rotation, looking forward to seeing what he can do over an extended period of starts.

by lboros on Jul 9, 2006 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

UR right
and that's the important thing to remember is he's still got a lot to learn, and there's no real reason to believe he won't improve as he learns. You wonder what will happen to him when Mulder returns. I'd like to think he'd stick as long as he can outpitch Jeff Suppan. That shouldn't be too hard.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Making some hay...
Brew Crew lost
Cincy lost

If the Cardinals win today (which they will), they can put their lead at the All-Star break at:

Reds 4.0
Brewers 5.5
Houston 6.0

Season Series (after Cards win tonight):
Reds 2-6 (7 games left)
Brewers 4-2 (10 games left)
Astros 5-4 (7 games left)

This comes into play when looking at tie-breakers, as it could be likely the Cards end the season tied with one of these teams.  The Reds have just obliterated the Cardinals.  In fact, ignoring Pujols' 3 homer day, if he doesn't come through, they'd be 1-7 against the second place team.

That 2-6 record is the only reason the Reds are even still in this race.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Peter Gammons
has anyone heard anything about him recently?  I haven't heard anything lately.

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Gammons
is still recovering. With the aneuryism, I don't expect him back this season, to be honest.

by cardsrul on Jul 9, 2006 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gammons
Too bad he won't be back to bring us up to date on the trading deadline deals and what not.  He is the best at that.  Probably the only guy on Baseball tonight whose opinion I really value.  I mean Robb Dibble, Jeff Brantley, and John Kruk (despite playing the game) just don't seem to be as knowledgable.  I wish him the best.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

none are as bad
as Tino I just cant get used to his voice and face on TV..its like you look at Kruk and then Brantley then Tino...its's like whos the pretty boy..

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah
I forgot about Tino.  His voice just isn't right for speaking on TV.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dibble
Isn't on Baseball Tonight.  He is on Best Damn Sports Show Period.

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

he got
the boot from ESPN he used to be on BBT and DPradio...got the boot about a year or 2 ago

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

O
sorry I didn't know.

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

only reason
i know is i used to listen to dan patrick at work...i actually liked him on the show even though he is really opinionated(spelling)

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The screen shots says...
"I'm looking for a pitch, and if I get it, I'm going to do some DAMAGE.

by patton044 on Jul 9, 2006 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Up and in
After Wood and Oswalt, why on earth would you awake the slumbering beast?

by Pokey Joe on Jul 9, 2006 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

more on ALBERT
ok Wright for the mets is having a great year, but Pujols doing what he has done and missing the time i think should lead in the MVP stuff. I can't help but think though if the season ended today Wright would get it. Maybe Im being negative, just that feeling ya get...I would say though if AP continues the second half he should get it again.IMO

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

lineups
STL:
 Eckstein SS
 Spiezio LF
 Pujols 1B
 Rolen 3B
 Encarnacion RF
 Edmonds CF
 Molina C
 Luna 2B
 Carpenter P

HOU:
 Taveras CF
 Lamb 3B
 Burke 2B
 Berkman 1B
 Wilson LF
 Lane RF
 Everett SS
 Ausmus C
 Pettitte P

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

3things
  1. is it juts me or am i the only one who is continually sickened by Houston. Over the last 5 years or so I just grew to not like them. Have relatives in houston had roomie in college from H-town. They talk like they know, but arent typical baseball fans. The whole city is fair weather and not die hard(see oilers). My wife was commenting on the sell out the other day.."it's like they are trying to create a rivarly." this was via her dad...I was like gee wonder why from 196-2005 only the cubs won the Nl central other than cards stros..5-3 cards.
  2. did it look like morgan and they other guy were in front of a green screen?
3.is anyone sold on berkman? good hitter, but what is road to hom stats?

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't stand Houston...
ugliest city in America. They've got money, but no taste or tradition. The ballpark is a perfect representation - silly hill and train tracks - it'll always be Enron Field.

Berkman on the other hand is a truly great player, just a notch below Pujols.

by guayzimi on Jul 9, 2006 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno
how fairweather they are, but i just laugh every time they boo Albert.

And yes, I think Berkman is the real thing, but for I really dislike the guy.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

very fairweather
go to houston and talk to a few fans...they have die hards, but most want results now, or you suck...My wife about lidge last yr..i hate that guy he sucks..i was like dear he has owened the cards for what seems like forever

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes me laugh too
I think it's hilarious how they boo AP.  It's a nice mix of "we hate you" and "shut up before he decides to hit another one out!"

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

berkman splits
2006 season

home: .346 average, .426 obp, .691 slugging. 16 homers, 47 rbi, 1.118 ops.

away: .289 average, .379 obp, .519 slugging. 8 homers, 32 rbi, .897 ops.

this season he has been hands down better in the bandbox park that is minute maid or whatever it is called now, but his career splits arent too different. i dont really feel like typing them in so here is the link via yahoo sports... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6279/splits;_ylt=AreFi33IepEtcg1Y8wri8RmFCLcF?year=career&ty pe=Batting

by lopey986 on Jul 9, 2006 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My answers
  1. I have nothing against the city of Houston, but I really dislike the Astros and their biggest fan.
  2. Didn't catch this.
  3. I think Berkman's very good, but I have this hunch that he's been lucky. He's hit better at home this year, but I think he's hit about the same for his career.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

according to PrOPS
Berkman has actually been slightly unlucky the last 3 seasons.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and
Berkman actually has slightly better road numbers according to his 3 y splits http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6279&type=batting3

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shows what I know.
It was just a hunch.

And I saw where his road numbers were slightly better, but there's not that much difference between them.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

in case
no one heard pettite owns pujols

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Obviously
No one bothered tellig Albert...

by SleepyCA on Jul 9, 2006 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he knows....
...he's still 3 for 18 off of him.

Chasing sliders down and in like that explains it.

In other news: Scott Speizo was informed when he returned to the dugout that, yes, the left field wall is still only 90 feet away from 3rd base.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one
owns el hombre no matter how many times joe and jon want to assert that.

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan
Did you know he was part of the Big Red Machine? Boy, baseball was different back in his day...

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

sample sizes like that
are really meaningless. That's why i can't stand it when TLR takes a player out because he doesn't have the best stats verses that pitcher. A handful of at bats doesn't mean a pitcher or a hitter own's a certain player.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
TLR gives far too much credit to small samples.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may not be terribly meaningful...
but I don't think it's meaningless either. Especially when the stats show a player doing something totally out of the ordinary against a pitcher. Like Bigbie... he's 11 for 14 against Pettitte. It's unlikely those numbers are due solely to random chance...

by guayzimi on Jul 9, 2006 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

all i can see is
read the book Baseball Between the Numbers. I dispells that myth, and a number of others. It's a great read.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i meant say
not see. Argh, i wish there was an edit feature on this site.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm listening, not watching
Did AP just try to steal third as Enc grounded out?

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else
like to see us get more than one after putting the first two on.  Hopefully, lb is correct and last night put us over the hump, but that sort of promising inning cut short feels like a lot of games during the streak...

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I like seeing people hustle
Spezio messed up, but at least it was due to lack of effort.  He was trying to make something happen.  Can't fault him too much for that...

by SleepyCA on Jul 9, 2006 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can tell
they want htis game..being very aggressiveIMO

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

battle of the sox
boston at chicago is in the 19th inning....both teams got 2 in the 11th....

by nota bene on Jul 9, 2006 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

trot nixon
0-9 with 4 ks...i bet he is happy with that outing!

by lopey986 on Jul 9, 2006 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch
i think the technical term for that is "choke"

by nota bene on Jul 9, 2006 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i generally
dont complaim about Morgan or the other guy..but man its been one inning...do they love H-town or what..Cards arent as good this year(probably ture) sandwhiced with..Pettite owns pujols, and blah blah blah

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Atleast it's not as bad as yesterday's lovefest
with Clemens on FOX. I couldn't tell if we were watching a game or a biography on Roger Clemens.

by rob is back on Jul 9, 2006 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always thought that
the most impressive thing about Clemens is that he can pitch so well with all of those sportswriters up his ass. It must be terribly uncomfortable...

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO
it's funny cause it's true...

by nota bene on Jul 9, 2006 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 straight 1b's
end it in the 19th in chitown

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Tavarez
Julian "I like to break my own hand" Tavarez pitched 4 scoreless innings in the battle of the sox.  I think that is more incredible than the game going 19 innings.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks good.
Moving the ball around in the zone.  Hitting spots.  Confident.

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp looks sharp
6 up and down. Was Speez counting on Wilson throwing to the plate?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Jul 9, 2006 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That strikeout
curve to get everett leading off the 3d was nasty.  Froze him.

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else think the Cards...
...have figured out Pettitte's awesome pickoff move?  They seem to be getting great jumps on him.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

you know
he has a great move, and if i was a manager i'd batt my best guy three like the big red machine did...

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Did Morgan
just use the phrase "riding dirty"?  AHAHAHAAHAHA.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes he did
And for a moment, I had an image of her doing just that...

Hey, did you know Willy Taveras is fast?

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

too bad...
he can't hit at all or walk or hit for power.  He might be a decent major leaguer if he could do any of those.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

gift wrapped wins
Did anyone else notice that Cleveland gave up another win late in the game - this time in the 8th with two wild pitches and a passed ball

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Luna...
needs to get acquainted with the Crawford boxes.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

or
stike out.  Where is Miles when you need him?   Just kidding.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok luna lovers
hes offer maybe hes waiting for miles drama...jk

did molina get a hit or walk..i missed it

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

hit
single to left over thirdbase man's head
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

cause they were
talking about interleague and mentioned the twins playing cards...

2. anyone notice the fly on carps hat during the interview?

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes
i couldn't tell if it was on my tv or what until it disappeared behind him.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

first thing i heard
i whole heartedly agree with all night..that curve made him just look bad...

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Preston
looked silly in that at bat.  Nice job, carp.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

First-round pick Adam Ottavino
threw a helluva game for State College today:
 6IP, 1H, 0R, 2BB, 7K

He's now thrown 19 2/3 innings without giving up a run.

DCGreg

by DCGreg on Jul 9, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope they promote him
to Quad Cities soon. I'm going to be going to a game there soon.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morgan during the preseason....
about Carp:

Obviously we know Chris Carpenter won the Cy Young last year, so he is one of the elite pitchers in the game.

You tell 'em, Joe

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Turning not tuning.

Tom Cruise, use your voodoo magic to help me.

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clemens
Nice of him to be thinking of Gammons.  He seems like a nice guy.... when he isn't taking Mike Piazza's head off with a fastball.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

i have no data on this
but edmonds seems to k looking all to often on 3-2. swing jimmy! Swing!

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

not nearly as bad as morgan
"When the pitcher gets on, bad things usually happen." - Shannon

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

It's great to see
a pitcher with a 5.37 ERA dominate the Cardinals like this.

Six outs left and Lidge is going to avoid Pujols again.

by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

it's not
like Pettitte is a bad pitcher or anything. He's just on his game and the Cardinal hitters look helpless.

by erik on Jul 9, 2006 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that
but anytime he faces the Cardinals he's on his game and the Cardinals look helpless.

by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a spot for
Brad Lidge.

by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

i leave
to go get subway, and while im there i had a hunch id come back and theyd be down..there were 2 pople who were together in front of me, and they got like 4 or 5 sandwhiches two for 999..was there like 20 minutes chick paid with a 100

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand the pitching move....
...if TLR saw that Pujols was 4 for 20 lifetime, he'd go with that matchup.

:D

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed
what the hell fix the damn audio.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

quick
Is he showing the assassin's smile & stance?  It sounds like it!

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

YES!
Lucky tie.

by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea
Spanish telecast!!!!!!

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there anyone more annoying on the mound
than Dan Wheeler? I HATE this guy.

by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay who hit the SAP button...
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually
I like these guys better--especially after Rolen's dinger.

by stevenucla on Jul 9, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ROLEN!!!!!!!!!!
adios pelota
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

hell yeah!
attaboy, Scott

(Was it a Crawford Cheapie?)

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

SWEET
way to hit a legit homer, even in a cheaty park!

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Profundo!
ESPN is having sound problems, so I was listening to the ESPN deportes feed, and the announcer yelled "PROFUNDO!" which I'm pretty sure means DEEP! And it certainly was.

by madridbend on Jul 9, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No
Not cheap by any means.

by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said to my wife after Eck's hit
that "someone is going to hit a homer to left in this inning."  Gawd, but I love being prophetic.

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

who gets the L if they hang on
wheeler or pettite? since speizio is pettites?

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

petite
but is carp now in line for the win?

by Arambar on Jul 9, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets go Rolen
Deja para ir los cardenales
Deja para ir los cardenales

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm picturing Mike Shannon having a few extra
Bud's by the 8th inning, after a week of Spanish lessons, and making the same call as the Desportes guy just made.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss

by thinktank on Jul 9, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

i love the way..
the ESPN deportes says Juan Encarnacion.  It makes me still like Juan even though he struck out.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Swear to God
Right before Scotty smashed that one, I said, "Hey Scotty, hit one into the Crawford Boxes...it's long overdue".

Between that and having my rally cap on, I think I deserve credit for this one (with apologies to the Reverend).

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

i think it...
went over the Crawford boxes.  Our guys only hit legitimate HRs.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off topic
But what is that from. The "I said I never had much use for one.  Never said I didn't know how to use it?"

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now THAT's what I call a HR call!
How much do I have to pay to replace Miller and Morgan with the Deportes guys every week?

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 9, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you kidding?
I'm pretty sure that Spanish call translates into "Back, back, back, back, back....HELLO (insert irrelevant suburb name here)!!!!!!"

That guy is the Latin version of Chris Berman.

by Big Red on Jul 9, 2006 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...
But he ain't Joe Morgan, that's good enough for me.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 9, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but...
it just sounds so much less annoying in Spanish!

by ArachNerd on Jul 10, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tell me
Scotty didn't have that same "assassin" look just before the HR swing?

by Intheway on Jul 9, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn
I'm guessing the TV feed switched to Spanish?

That would have been cool to hear. MLB.tv had already switched back to Dumb and Dumber...

by iron duke75 on Jul 9, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Catch GOOCH
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Have we seen enough
this game to know that we don't want Luna out there everyday glove-wise?

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell
I'd argue that the first "hit" was an error.  Sure, it's a tough paly to make, but el hombre's foot stays on the bag and he's o-u-t.

by sdesserman on Jul 9, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, that cost us but...
I don't think Miles is much better defensively.  Luna has a better Zone Rating than Miles.  Hopefully if we end Luna's left field experiment and he can play more at 2nd then he will improve.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ack, 2b
it's pretty much a choice between the lesser of two evils.

by Elle on Jul 9, 2006 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Losing Morgan's voice
is almost as great as Scotty's homer...

by cardsrul on Jul 9, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Crap
Now THAT was a cheapie.

by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Not
really.  It went out on a line.  Front row of the boxes, yes, but considering how high the wall is, it would have been out in Busch also.  The ones I can't stand are the high flies that would be caught on the warning track in a real park.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 9, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

THAT was a cheapie
GOD I HATE THE JUICEBOX
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

nice
carlos im way too fat for a ball player bearga(spelling)is a commentator..i think he was the one who ripped luna...you got to get in front of it, put your glove out something..i know it was hard it..said cb.

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno
The only problem I really have with luna is that he is really way too fat himself to be a 2B...

by SleepyCA on Jul 9, 2006 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

CRAP
Jon and Joe are back.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

O look its...
Russ "I get hurt when I see a pitcher's mound in a Cards Uniform" Springer.
"The right-hander is throwing up in the bullpen." -Mike Shannon

by DJ87 on Jul 9, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

we're up over 200 comments
so i've added a 2d game thread; haven't seen much of this one but kept an eye on the score; saw scotty's homer.

migrate on over to the 2d thread for the 9th and postgame

by lboros on Jul 9, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

so mm
is 315 to left and bush is 335?

by punchinjudy on Jul 9, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes...
...but new Busch is 335 down the line and about 345-350 10 feet right of the line.  There are no cheap homers to left unless they're RIGHT down the line.

by whopperman on Jul 9, 2006 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

our new legend!
lboros,
tell me about the new blue (vida, of course).
is he a hard thrower or a cutesy? how fast is  his fastball? how old is he?
what is the prognosis on stu pomeranz?

by dembitz on Jul 10, 2006 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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