Game 87 Open Thread: July 9, 2006
you all saw that coming, right?
when zpiezio came to the plate in the 9th inning as the cardinals' last hope, the stl offense had made 16 consecutive outs; so surely you anticipated that the next four men would reach base off lidge and pull the cards even at 6-6. i mean, how obvious was that?
i was following the action on MLB Gameday while sitting through the end of an 8-hour training session in a windowless room. there were nearly 40 of us, all working on laptops and logged in to the same wireless LAN -- which didn't have quite enough signal to go around. each trainee would periodically (say, every half-hour or so) get dropped from the system and have to punch in a few keystrokes to get back online; it then took a few clicks/strokes more to reactivate Gameday. the routine got old very quickly, and i felt like saying, "screw this; i give up" at any number of points. but, vexing as it was, i punched in my keys and kept waiting for the damn thing to reload . . . .
and that has been the stl fan's season in a nutshell. we keep having these outages -- the back-to-back sweeps in cincy/houston at the beginning of may; the 1-5 swoon in early june, during which albert got hurt; and of course the 3-13 freefall that began in comiskey park -- and during the interruptions we sit there staring at blank screens, for what often seems an interminable period, waiting for the season to boot back up and the wins to begin streaming again. nothing more aggravating; you want to walk away. but you don't. you can't.
hopefully yesterday's comeback signaled that the cardinals are dialed back in and reconnected to the server. they blew three games like that in june -- games they led heading into the 9th. now they've got one of 'em back -- and maybe, too, a little of their mojo. i'd like to say that this was a turning point, and maybe it will prove to be such; but you could also argue that the cardinals yesterday didn't play much differently from how they played on the cleveland-kc homestand, and that the main thing that changed was one more or less random outcome on a 2-out, 2-on, 3-2 pitch in the top of the 9th. you could argue that the team was simply due for some better luck, that after coming up just short in about half a dozen close games over the last 5 weeks, chance alone dictated that they should finally win one.
but i'm putting my money on mojo, and here's why. at various intervals throughout this season, some of you guys have described a certain expression of pujols' -- the i'm-hitting-a-homer-now look. i never knew what y'all were talking about and, frankly, thought you were a little crazy . . . . until yesterday. then i saw it, right after the buzz job by oswalt -- a deadly little assassin's smile as he waited for the 1-0 pitch. didn't see it live, of course, but i saw it 50 times on sportscenter. that didn't seem random to me; that appeared to be one incredibly hard-headed man staring down another incredibly hard-headed man and saying: i am going to impose my will upon you. now that's mojo.
call it mojo or call it dumb luck -- the cards won their 1st back-to-back games in three weeks, and now have a chance to win their 1st series in the same span. their lead in the standings -- 3 games -- is exactly where it was the day albert went onto the disabled list; they have gone 13-18 since then.
i wouldn't bet on them going 13-18 over the next 31 games.
quick minor-league note: eric haberer graduated to double a and made his debut there last night, pitching springfield to a win with 6 solid innings. his stay may only be temporary -- he's replacing stu pomeranz, who is on the disabled list with a strained oblique . . . .
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I absolutely
You're absolutely right about "the assassin's grin". That was awesome. If anyone can get a still-frame of that, I'd like to put it on my desktop. :-)
I saw it...
GO CARDS!!!
AAAAAARGH!!!
GO CARDS!!!
Yes but...
GO CARDS!!!
i'm gonna continue to gloat
but really, i didn't see the spiezio hr coming. i didn't see duncan reaching, or eck walking. I was listening on the radio, so I didn't see the look until the replays became available on mlb.com. That's definetly the look.
Glad to hear it :-)
I've been watching it
ESPN also has a video clip in their game recap.
Thanks
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ironduke
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I didn't record it
Notice the concentration in the eyes
I'm one of those who have been saying that you can tell when he's going to homer, but I have to admit that I didn't see it coming last night. Still, I wasn't the least bit surprised when he did and think I may have just become so used to it that it doesn't stand out to me much anymore. It was as if I figured that he'd homer when he stepped to the plate and then had any doubt erased when Oswalt buzzed him and stopped examining his expressions from that moment on.
Btw, the last series we played before Albert went down, we took 2 of 3 from Houston at Busch III. In game 1 of that series, Albert went 0-3 against Oswalt, but later hit a go-ahead and game-winning homerun against Chad Qualls in the 7th inning. Maybe it's a sign?
If I were Houston, I don't think I'd ever pitch to Pujols again.
It's not just the look...
When we are down, and he comes to the plate, my family will plead for him to get 'that squat going'.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying that he squats lower?
Sportscenter
The first time
jayson stark
this was this past offseason mind you and so stark passed this question along to some of the gm's in the league and one of them anonymously wrote something to the effect of "why don't you ask brad lidge whether or not he thinks pujols is a good clutch hitter?"
i try to contain myself when talking about him since he just in his 6th year but i can't help but think he's the type of player we're going to be telling our grandchildren about...the way people do w/ mantle or mays or aaron. not only is he the best player in the game but he is always trying to improve and is the best clutch player in the game. he is to baseball what jordan was to basketball. hopefully, he can get the rings that jordan did to validate it.
i'll try and find that link
that was hard
ESPN.com - MLB - Stark: Amateur hour"I would like to see JOHAN SANTANA TRADED TO THE CARDINALS FOR ALBERT PUJOLS. I think Pujols is the most overrated player in the history of baseball. ...
sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/ story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2261063 - 127k
http://proxy.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2261063
I'm all cheesy with the craft stuff -
Liriano
Something like this would only happen in baseball...
Try this on for size...
Jared Weaver, the one we didn't trade for, has pitched 6 games, winning all 6. He has 36 ks and an ERA of 1.13. Here's the rub: He only had 40.1 innings. Meaning, by the end of the season to qualify, he'd needs 121.2 innings. If he only pitched standard quality starts the rest of the way out, he would have to start 20 games in the second half of the season.
So, there is a good chance that Weaver could go say, 14-2 with a 1.25 ERA and not qualify for any season awards.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd still qualify for awards--
And he probably won't make the 162 ip---he's averaging 6-2/3 ip per start, and with 75 team games left, you figure he's got 15 starts left, max---that's only about another 100 ip, leaving him 20 or so short.
what whaat
To get his ERA that low in 1995, Maddux allowed four home runs in 202 innings.
Will Reyes pitch in the futures game?
You're right...
Maybe the Cards are lucky they lost out on Burnett and Giles...
awesome game/pujols' clutchness
as far as pujols being clutch, i posted about this awhile back, comparing him to lebron james this year...both guys in previous years always put up awesome stats, but didnt have the game winners at the end. both seemed to press a bit with the game on the line. not necessarly choking but not stepping up either.(albert used to roll the ball over for a harmless grounder to the shortstop a lot at the end of games) it was an almost fair criticism of both lebron and albert this year. now they have experience to go with their natural ability and talent. both seem to be too good to be true now. will be fun to watch. well albert will the nba sucks..
by 2ndprize on Jul 9, 2006 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
sorry but i can't stand Lebron
Plus comparing Baseball and basketball is too hard...Pujols needed other guys before he could be clutch..good pitching other guys tying it. Clutch in the 10th but others helped him get there...Lebron could single handedly take over a game and not use his teamates(see Kobe)...i see you point, but would have to disagree...plus I cant stand Lebron...let him win a few rings before we call him MJ
You're impressions of Lebron James are
He's a local grown talent who is dedicated to his community (is building housing for low-income families) and who is still very much a kid at heart while he is clearly the best player in his sport.
You hear narry a ill word spoken of Lebron as far as attitude, legal trouble, etc.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
true
edit...
by 2ndprize on Jul 9, 2006 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Request for Analysis on Reyes's Performance
There were some comments to the effect that his failings are due to the two-seamer. This is a convenient narrative: the old "blame tony and dunc for not letting the Kid throw his game." I say that it's convenient because the alternatives are that the Kid is not as good as we hoped, or that he's young and still could use some development before he's a consistent quality start hurler. The HR to the Crawfish boxes also could have been dumb luck.
Does anyone have insight on which of these explanations is more accurate?
the HR
I haven't seen the most of the games on TV, so I don't know if he's throwing 2 seamers. It seems like yesterday most of the hits he gave up were when he had 2 strikes already. What I've heard on the radio, he's throwing 3 pitches. Fastball, curve, changeup.
It's hard for me to read, but the he's had 12 walks in 6 starts in the bigs, only 8 in 11 starts in the minors. It would seem to me he's lacking that killer instinct he had in Memphis. (and of course, the MLB ain't the PCL.) I don't know if it's just the fact that he's trying to be too perfect and struggling with his command, or if the reins are on him too tight.
i don't see
i do think he's inconsistent with the 2-seamer, as you would expect --- it's a new pitch. but he has also been spotty with his 4-seamer the last couple of games, not nearly as sharp with it as we have seen in previous starts. that is bothersome; he needs to execute better on those pitches.
his relatively high walk total the last 3 games bothers me a lot more than the homers. as numerous people pointed out yesterday, his unforgivable mistake in the 5th innings was the walk to brad ausmus, not the homer to biggio.
also, yesterday he appeared to throw his changeup exclusively to left-handers, while featuring the curveball vs right-handers --- i don't understand the thinking behind that, as his straight change was a deadly out pitch in his 1st 3-4 starts.
his learning process is underway now, which is the main thing. he's clearly got a lot of tools. i'm glad he's in the rotation, looking forward to seeing what he can do over an extended period of starts.
UR right
Making some hay...
Cincy lost
If the Cardinals win today (which they will), they can put their lead at the All-Star break at:
Reds 4.0
Brewers 5.5
Houston 6.0
Season Series (after Cards win tonight):
Reds 2-6 (7 games left)
Brewers 4-2 (10 games left)
Astros 5-4 (7 games left)
This comes into play when looking at tie-breakers, as it could be likely the Cards end the season tied with one of these teams. The Reds have just obliterated the Cardinals. In fact, ignoring Pujols' 3 homer day, if he doesn't come through, they'd be 1-7 against the second place team.
That 2-6 record is the only reason the Reds are even still in this race.
Peter Gammons
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
Gammons
none are as bad
Dibble
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
only reason
Up and in
by Pokey Joe on Jul 9, 2006 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
more on ALBERT
lineups
Eckstein SS
Spiezio LF
Pujols 1B
Rolen 3B
Encarnacion RF
Edmonds CF
Molina C
Luna 2B
Carpenter P
HOU:
Taveras CF
Lamb 3B
Burke 2B
Berkman 1B
Wilson LF
Lane RF
Everett SS
Ausmus C
Pettitte P
3things
- is it juts me or am i the only one who is continually sickened by Houston. Over the last 5 years or so I just grew to not like them. Have relatives in houston had roomie in college from H-town. They talk like they know, but arent typical baseball fans. The whole city is fair weather and not die hard(see oilers). My wife was commenting on the sell out the other day.."it's like they are trying to create a rivarly." this was via her dad...I was like gee wonder why from 196-2005 only the cubs won the Nl central other than cards stros..5-3 cards.
- did it look like morgan and they other guy were in front of a green screen?
Can't stand Houston...
Berkman on the other hand is a truly great player, just a notch below Pujols.
i dunno
And yes, I think Berkman is the real thing, but for I really dislike the guy.
very fairweather
makes me laugh too
berkman splits
home: .346 average, .426 obp, .691 slugging. 16 homers, 47 rbi, 1.118 ops.
away: .289 average, .379 obp, .519 slugging. 8 homers, 32 rbi, .897 ops.
this season he has been hands down better in the bandbox park that is minute maid or whatever it is called now, but his career splits arent too different. i dont really feel like typing them in so here is the link via yahoo sports... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6279/splits;_ylt=AreFi33IepEtcg1Y8wri8RmFCLcF?year=career&ty pe=Batting
My answers
- I have nothing against the city of Houston, but I really dislike the Astros and their biggest fan.
- Didn't catch this.
- I think Berkman's very good, but I have this hunch that he's been lucky. He's hit better at home this year, but I think he's hit about the same for his career.
and
Shows what I know.
And I saw where his road numbers were slightly better, but there's not that much difference between them.
I'm sure he knows....
Chasing sliders down and in like that explains it.
In other news: Scott Speizo was informed when he returned to the dugout that, yes, the left field wall is still only 90 feet away from 3rd base.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Morgan
sample sizes like that
I agree
It may not be terribly meaningful...
all i can see is
Anyone else
I like seeing people hustle
i generally
Atleast it's not as bad as yesterday's lovefest
I've always thought that
Carp looks sharp
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 9, 2006 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else think the Cards...
you know
Did Morgan
Yes he did
Hey, did you know Willy Taveras is fast?
too bad...
gift wrapped wins
Luna...
ok luna lovers
did molina get a hit or walk..i missed it
cause they were
2. anyone notice the fly on carps hat during the interview?
Preston
First-round pick Adam Ottavino
6IP, 1H, 0R, 2BB, 7K
He's now thrown 19 2/3 innings without giving up a run.
Morgan during the preseason....
Obviously we know Chris Carpenter won the Cy Young last year, so he is one of the elite pitchers in the game.
You tell 'em, Joe
God, I'm tuning into Joe Morgan....
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Tom Cruise, use your voodoo magic to help me.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Clemens
Give up 3 XBH....
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It's great to see
Six outs left and Lidge is going to avoid Pujols again.
by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
it's not
I know that
by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i leave
I don't understand the pitching move....
:D
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
ESPN is getting on my nerves
by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
Is there anyone more annoying on the mound
by ryanisforever on Jul 9, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Actually
Profundo!
Crawford yes, but nothing cheap about it.
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 9, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I said to my wife after Eck's hit
Lets go Rolen
Deja para ir los cardenales
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
I'm picturing Mike Shannon having a few extra
i love the way..
You mean, like....
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Swear to God
Between that and having my rally cap on, I think I deserve credit for this one (with apologies to the Reverend).
i think it...
Off topic
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 9, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Now THAT's what I call a HR call!
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 9, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
Are you kidding?
That guy is the Latin version of Chris Berman.
by Big Red on Jul 9, 2006 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe...
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 9, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
That would have been cool to hear. MLB.tv had already switched back to Dumb and Dumber...
Hell
Okay, that cost us but...
Not
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 9, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT was a cheapie
nice
O look its...
we're up over 200 comments
migrate on over to the 2d thread for the 9th and postgame
Yes...
our new legend!
tell me about the new blue (vida, of course).
is he a hard thrower or a cutesy? how fast is his fastball? how old is he?
what is the prognosis on stu pomeranz?




















