done deals
congratulations, one and all: you guys overwhelmed SB Nation's servers right at the deadline. and baseball think factory's. and the post-dispatch's. and rotoworld's. and heaven knows how many other sites.
readers 1, internet 0.
not that you missed anything while the servers were down. the deadline has passed with no further moves by the cardinals; the post-waiver period now commences, and jocketty may be active. we shall see.
Update [2006-7-31 16:32:12 by lboros]: spoke too soon: the cardinals acquired jorge sosa, who was DFA'd by the braves, for triple-a reliever rich scalamandre. more in a moment. . . .
here is sosa's career line; he's no good. had a fluke season last year, but a bad player overall. he has yielded 20 homers in 90 innings this season . . . . . i'm not sure what the point was; whose spot on the pitching staff does he take? maybe this is the prelude to another trade -- marquis for somebody . . .
Update [2006-7-31 16:46:3 by lboros]: another frustrating piece of news: the yankees got craig wilson in exchange for shawn chacon, who got bounced from the rotation and (you may recall) was once offered for sidney ponson . . . . . so the yankees got both abreu and c wilson in exchange for a washed-up starter and some grade-C prospects . . . . . but at least we have sosa.[end update]
derrick goold did some nice number-crunching over at birdland to assess ronnie belliard's defense. if i read his post correctly, goold is saying that belliard is about on par with the platoon he is replacing in terms of range, but is likely to make fewer errors --- hence represents a small upgrade with the leather. . . . .
in an earlier post, goold expressed some unvarnished opinions about the deal; he's not a fan. neither is matthew leach, who in today's mailbag weighs in on the belliard trade and has some insight about reyes and the 2-seamer.
if you haven't already read these opinions, danup places the trade within the context of the cards' quixotic quest; disaspora deconstructs the post-trade spin; birdwatch looks at the deal that didn't go down; pip at fungoes runs some numbers; 26th man scolds himself for not realizing that 2b was a bigger problem than the imploding rotation; and the right reverend reads from the fielding bible.
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are you sure...
by Toddius396 on Jul 31, 2006 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BIG move, drumroll please
by cards4ever on Jul 31, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just announced
Lookout WS...here we come!!!
by pitchout487 on Jul 31, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AL vs NL
:)
by cmat on Jul 31, 2006 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers get Maddux
Why do the cubs want Izturis? I thought Cedeno was their future.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 31, 2006 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They traded Walker
by FunkeeC on Jul 31, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
by cards4ever on Jul 31, 2006 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wha-wha-whaaat!?
this was our big deal? why not acquire about andruw jones? un-freakin'-believable.
maybe I will just go be a Rangers fan, at least their management gave their GM the ability to go out and make some moves to improve the team.
by lopey986 on Jul 31, 2006 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
walt bashers
I've read a lot of people wanting to trade Duncan for Soriano and stuff like that. That's just not realistic. We have some good prospects at lower levels but teams want prospects who can help them sooner rather than later.
I don't think this is about ownership being cheap, either. Maybe they were cheap this offseason but it was unrealistic (and probably, unwise) for us to pursue Abreu. Remember, every team but 1 backed off of Abreu. The last few days, it was all about the Yankees rather than, where would he go.
The bottom line is that our lack of depth in the farm system hurts this time of year and it's going to limit us coming down the stretch. We've done well the last couple of years beefing up the farm system but it's going to be a year or 2 before we start to see the fruits of that labor.
Additionally, if you're going become a "fan" of a team based on how active the GM is in July, you weren't much of a Cards fan to begin with. True fans support their teams in good times and bad. (Not that this is a bad time, we are still in 1st place after all!)
by chuckb on Jul 31, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i knooow...
by lopey986 on Jul 31, 2006 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know if it's walt
somebody needs to be bashed; the organization is content with mediocrity, and these fans deserve better dammit.
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely Agree
I wonder, what, if anything, can Cards fans do to voice their collective displeasure? I'm sure Bernie will take care of some of that in the Post, but I want the owners to feel what their agenda is doing to Cards fans. I'd like to see them view the Cardinal nation as a responsibility, (try and live up to their expectations) rather than a crutch (rely on them to keep coming to games despite minimal effort to acquire a WS team). I often wonder what would happen if the Cards fans owned the team, kinda like how the Greenbay fans own the Packers.
by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2006 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
owners/management...
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find that hard to believe
If that is the place where the owners and managment look for feedback, then god help us all. A bunch of hicks starting pissing contests, that's all it is.
by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2006 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't disagree...
but Bernie confirmed it yesterday in one of his posts.
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
Jeremy Affeldt was traded for Ryan Shealy -- we don't have anyone that close and that good (as Shealy). Stairs (yuck!) was traded. We probably could've had Lohse but does he really help us?
Cormier was traded for a AAA pitcher w/ decent #'s for AAA. We probably could've matched or beaten the offer w/ Tankersley or Narveson but Cormier only agreed to the trade after the Reds extended him for $2.5 million.
The Cormier trade is probably the only one where I agree that something could've/should've been done. Maybe the Phils just liked Germano better than Narveson or Tankersley. As for the other RP's and OF's traded, we just didn't have good enough players or they (Stairs and Lohse) just weren't very good.
Maybe we could've traded an RP for Nady but who? The Mets will never take Looper back. The Pads got Oliver Perez for Linebrink -- do you think they'd have rather had Narveson?
I just don't see where we could've done better, except maybe w/ Cormier (who was the one I wanted anyway so I'm probably biased). I just don't see that we have much to trade unless we decided to trade Marquis. That's a risk but it could've brought back a Craig Wilson-type or a decent RP.
by chuckb on Jul 31, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walt's still accountable...
by Baily on Jul 31, 2006 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point
To the extent that we've had (until a couple of years ago) a series of bad drafts and relatively few prospects coming through the system, I think Walt is responsible. Nevertheless, he was hamstrung this year as a result of the diminshed farm system.
by chuckb on Aug 1, 2006 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that argument
But to add to your argument, it's also difficult to trade prospects and build your farm system at the same time, which is something that they seem to be doing pretty well at this year.
by rob is back on Aug 1, 2006 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Shealy traded...
by lopey986 on Jul 31, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe you and sosa...
the best part of this deal is we can say that line ad nauseam
by sjoshi on Jul 31, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
by aet15 on Jul 31, 2006 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn
by cards4ever on Jul 31, 2006 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
by aet15 on Jul 31, 2006 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF???
by cardsrul on Jul 31, 2006 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side. . .
by aet15 on Jul 31, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by DimitroffVodka on Jul 31, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm i dunno...
by lopey986 on Jul 31, 2006 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Although, it's Bowden we're talking about so he was probably just drunk and forgot about the deadline.
by Alxfritz on Jul 31, 2006 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how hard...
by Toddius396 on Jul 31, 2006 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else see this?
If this is true, I'll vomit. We could have easily traded Marquis or Weaver for Wilson. With JRod out, it would have been the perfect opportunity.
Here's the link:
by jdubya on Jul 31, 2006 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Principle...
I remember reading somewhere that Walt was frustrated at the stubborness of Pirates GM.
Could very well have been not making a deal on principle.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2006 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the pirates
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt he's that childish
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's your opinion.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2006 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defend your opinion
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
by Toddius396 on Jul 31, 2006 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson bats righthanded
by whopperman on Jul 31, 2006 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the argument is that
if the argument is that they refused to make a trade on principle --- because of dave littlefield's stubbornness or something -- that's something else again. i don't believe that's the case, but that's the suggestion that launched this strand of discussion . . . .
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are tied together...
Was he worth going back again and doing anything other than throwing in a final offer. If the Pirates accept, take it. If they don't, tell them to say it walking.
At a certain point, you loose credibility if you keep haggling with a team that has obviously insulted you with demands in the past.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2006 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they made a final offer
i have to think walt could've beat that offer if he wanted to.
i don't know how it all went down; maybe the cardinals didn't think wilson could help them. maybe littlefield's just a dumb gm. but i don't think walt would foreclose an option because he was in a snit over "insulting" demands by littlefield earlier this year.
i would think, rather than feel insulted by the reyes demand, jocketty just laughed in littlefield's face.
if a gm lets his desire to prove a point get in the way of his desire to upgrade his roster, he's not going to last very long. suppose walt snubs littlefield at the deadline --- he proves a point to a bad gm who is going to get fired soon anyway, but the cardinals go into the postseason with so taguchi as their best rh pinch-hitter.
who gets the last laugh in that exchange? the mets . . . .
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Although, Chacon is not exactly cheap, is he?
by lopey986 on Jul 31, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
divisional trade
by Birds on the Matt on Aug 1, 2006 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deeply Troubling
Chacon is lousy (7.00 ERA) . Even if Chacon is on contract for next year, I can't imagine he's better than Marquis, who we clearly would have traded for Wilson.
Unless some more info on this deal is revealed, it looks like Walt blew it on this one.
by Titus Pullo on Jul 31, 2006 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chacon's a free agent
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's official - Wilson for Chacon...
This makes me sick.
I will say this. Maybe the guy in Pittsburgh didn't want to deal in the division. At least that's what I'm telling myself.
by jdubya on Jul 31, 2006 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe so
chacon can walk after this year. if the cards had offered a double-a pitching prospect who would remain in the pirates' system for more than 2 months, wouldn't littlefield be crazy not to take it?
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reasons
I'm guessing that WJ decided against Wilson, but I still consider it another sign that he's slipping on the job.
by rob is back on Aug 1, 2006 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 31, 2006 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In Jocketty's Defense
I don't feel like Jocketty has ever gotten killed on a deal - where a prospect really ends up being a star that he shouldn't have traded away. We got Dennis Eckersly for Jeff Montgomery. Mark McGwire for TJ Mathews. The Mulder trade is controversial, but Haren is really struggling right now, Barton isn't in the bigs and is thought to have too little power to start at 1B in the majors, and I miss kiko, but he's no closer. Bud Smith isn't in the big leagues. Polanco is a good player, but not as good as Scott Rolen. Mike Timlin is a pretty good set up guy with the BoSox, but we brought in an allstar when those guys left. Walt wins in his deals. Adam Kennedy is a big leaguer - but will soon lose his position to howie kendrick, who is better in every way. Where the heck is kent bottenfield? Braden Looper...he's back on the team and is a decent player. He belongs in the big leagues. But I would call him a decent player.
If our farm system is so depleted from deals, where did they all go? They aren't making the big leagues, that's for sure. Where are these great players Walt pissed away? They were never there to begin with.
by Toddius396 on Jul 31, 2006 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
by whopperman on Jul 31, 2006 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be naive
or something
by Valatan on Jul 31, 2006 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot Coco Crisp...
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chucky finley
by stlsportsfan on Jul 31, 2006 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of me...
by BigMac545 on Jul 31, 2006 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
by aet15 on Jul 31, 2006 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owners...
by BigMac545 on Jul 31, 2006 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Schmidt.
On the other hand, I would have welcomed it in the short term.
by matt reeder on Jul 31, 2006 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sosa
by gthedamned on Jul 31, 2006 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walt from the War Room...
1. Sosa will be exclusively in the BP. Jerry Walker went and watched Sosa last week and said he was throwing 93-96 consistently. Randy speculates that Sosa will replace Kinney, although maybe Wainwright can go to the rotation.
- Cards were not in the hunt for anything big. Were having talks with Pittsburgh (likely for Wells or Wilson or Hernandez). Talked to Baltimore about Benson, Lopez and Conine. But nothing matched up. Apparantly, though, we were not in the hunt for Soriano, etc.
- Cards will be looking to make a waiver move. WJ implied that AZ would have to eat some of Green's contract for them to pick him up.
- Belliard - WJ have already spoken to his agent about signing him to an extension. But they are going to wait and see how he performs. Belliard's agent is also Luna's agent and Albert's agent. So a relationship exists. They are going to try to sign him.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2006 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know
258 IP, 163 K's. 3.90 ERA, 1.448 WHIP, .262 opponent average.
He throws hard and strikes some guys out. Im not opposed to this trade.
by beanocook on Jul 31, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
by aet15 on Jul 31, 2006 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they can sign Belliard...
i had a feeling nothing big was going to go down. there just wasn't any moves to make. a Wilson move would've been nice, not just for a platoon but also because we'd have a legitimate power threat off the bench no matter who starts in LF (Dunc vs. Wilson). haven't had one of those since Eduardo Perez.
i'm pretty happy that the Astros didn't get Soriano or Tejada. they're done. the Reds didn't improve enough to overtake us (unless Pujols is out for awhile).
this isn't a horrible thing... we've kept Wainwright and Reyes, kept Rasmus and our other prospects, and we've got a good enough team to win the division and contend for the World Series. we've done fine against the Mets head-to-head this season, and Pedro, Glavine, and Trachsel all tend to fade late in seasons. i think we've still got a decent shot at getting to the World Series.
no real chance to actually win it, of course. but there wasn't a feasible deal for us to make that would really make us W.S. contenders. i'd be satisfied with another division/NL pennant... it's about all we can expect.
there are a lot of big-time free agents out there next season. here's hoping we get a few.
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Time free agents...
by BigMac545 on Jul 31, 2006 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were gonna give Burnett 11 mil...
plus, less money to Edmonds, none to Mulder, none to Marquis, none to Weaver, none to Spivey, none to Bigbie, none to Miles, none to Perez.
there's money to spend. let's just hope they spend it.
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They will spend it...
by BigMac545 on Jul 31, 2006 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had a belliard
Belliard doesn't need to be resigned to justify this trade. In fact, now that Luna's gone, I'd like to get to the offseason to see if we can do better.
by chuckb on Jul 31, 2006 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't like the trade either...
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, all of Walt's best deals come in August...
by craig3410 on Jul 31, 2006 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't players have to clear waivers
by rob is back on Aug 1, 2006 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we need...
by BigMac545 on Jul 31, 2006 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well . . .
by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2006 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second that
by effin fisk on Jul 31, 2006 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
by Valatan on Jul 31, 2006 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2006 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from Pujols and Ichiro,
by Valatan on Jul 31, 2006 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Who's our backup SS?
by Big Red on Jul 31, 2006 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Marquis...
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2006 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all bullshit
This team needed an upgrade, had the payroll flexibility b/c the didn't make a move in the offseason ... and now they've done nothing.
What happened to that 10 million a season they offered Burnett? Why can't we use that for an upgrade?
this is crap. we missed the little upgrades: wilson, betemit, keeping luna, middle relievers that changed hands...
and didn't acquire the big bat/arm that we should have.
this is unacceptable
by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2006 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our backup SS is Miles
by Pujols4Pres on Jul 31, 2006 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I dont understand...
by BigMac545 on Jul 31, 2006 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez is cheap
by Pujols4Pres on Jul 31, 2006 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'll bet...
then we've got a playoff rotation like so:
Carpenter
Mulder
Reyes
Wainwright
with Suppan, Marquis, Weaver as insurance.
pretty much what we've all wanted all year. can't complain too much with that.
if that is what ends up happening, of course.
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes...
by BigMac545 on Jul 31, 2006 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
by beanocook on Jul 31, 2006 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
beanocook you can't silence the truth
And the ground shall shake, and the earth will rumble and there will be great distress among the redbird nation. They shall call for blood. Though he walks through the shadow of mediocrity, he shall yet be blameless for he is chosen above all others to be perfect upon arrival regardless of age, ability and stats.
I still think DD is messing with Kid Reyes but it's purely academic at this point. Nothing we say has any impact on the real situation. Might as well let this one go...especially when I can be pissed that we didn't even make the moderate upgrades that would have helped this club.
by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2006 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
beano, your little jingle
by lboros on Jul 31, 2006 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, great...
by punditmoi on Jul 31, 2006 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Demoralized
They repay us with a Cold Stove offseason that featured the dump of Grudz and Reggie (who has proved that he did not deserve a multi-year deal) and Juan Encarnacion as our "core" signing withthe footnote to the signing that not spending on an impact bat is okay because they are maintaining financial flexibility to add a player in midseason.
And now here we sit, with out expensive tickets for the smaller ballpark, with the playoffs in doubt, and a pennant, let alone a World Series title, seeming like a distant memory.
I'm demoralized right now, yet hope is all we have on which to hang out hat. Hope that Mulder comes back to 2005 form by October. Hope that Jeff Weaver comes back to 2005 form soon. Hope than Anthony Reyes can learn a two-seamer or TLR/Duncan can learn to live with high four-seam heat. Hope that Jimmy continues his resurrection. Hope the Young Duncan continues to mature and produce while doing so.
This offseason will be one of change. Hopefully, it is one of change for the better.
by bgh on Jul 31, 2006 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
on the bright side
what, too graphic?
by effin fisk on Jul 31, 2006 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
by Ray Lankford on Jul 31, 2006 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the Dodgers make the playoffs...
We could play them in the first round. Maddox would probably be the 3rd starter behind Penny and Lowe.
by jdubya on Jul 31, 2006 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well. . .
by aet15 on Jul 31, 2006 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe Walt got confused
He's gonna flip when he finds out it's not THAT Sosa. (Not that I'd want him)
by effin fisk on Jul 31, 2006 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Green?
Their stats lines are very similar (Gonzalez has better OBP and power, Green's hitting better for avg.) and they're both left-handed, but Gonzalez has a lot more experience, especially in the post-season.
Also, Gonzalez is in a much more favorable situation contract-wise. Gonzo has a club option for next year at $10M, which the Cards would probably have to pick up. Green is signed for next year at $9.5M and has a mutual option for '08 at $10M (w/ a $2M buyout), which I keep hearing the Cards might have to pick up to get him to waive his no trade.
Do you think Gonzo has said he won't waive his no trade for the Cards? Or is it that the D-Backs are anxious to get rid of Green so they'll pick up a big chunk of his remaining salary?
by punditmoi on Jul 31, 2006 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love Gonzo...
Gonzo is a great clubhouse guy and a leader. He can still hit (hitting .385/.440/.692 in July). The Cards should go after him. I think Gonzo would waive he no trade clause for the Cards because they are contending and he could play for a winner. If the Cards have to pick up his option, then do it.
IMO, Gonzo would be a much better pickup than Green. One problem is that AZ is in the hunt for the west division (isn't everybody?). That could mean that they would want a major league player or someone who could step in and play right away. Marquis and ?
by jdubya on Jul 31, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luna...
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow you must really being into
It's sad that we couldn't have just given Luna the starting position like he deserved...
by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2006 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
by ryanisforever on Jul 31, 2006 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luna...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 31, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a good play...
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 31, 2006 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Craig WIlson
by DimitroffVodka on Jul 31, 2006 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
luna
Once again, on a team that needs a star to win, we come up with small market replacement parts.
Lugo was available. Does anyone notice that the team stolen base leader is So!
Playoff base ball is very much about manufacturing runs. We need to be lucky with our pitching staff to win. This last Sunday, the amusing Joe Morgan was saying we needed pitching. True enough, but if Mulder isn't healthy, Marquis and Suppan aren't hot we are going to lose anyway. It is the sink hole ab's at catcher, left and 2nd base that will make the difference between winning 3 to 2 and losing 2 to 1 in the playoffs.
Just an odd trading deadline. Soriano staying put.
i think the Pirates are tired of the Cards picking their pockets, Craig Wilson would have been helpful with Albert hurting as well.
by scott tracy on Jul 31, 2006 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
question
by stlsportsfan on Jul 31, 2006 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stratospheric WPA
I thought I must be looking at a typo so I searched for compatriates with such rarified numbers. He is joined by a select few including the illustrious Esteban Loaiza, Josh Towers, Seth McClung, Rodrigo Lopez, Carlos Silva, oh and one Jeff Weaver.
Next we'll see a quote from WJ that this was the best arm they could get!
I think I'll watch the Indians.
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 31, 2006 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got off work
And to the person who said this offseason is going to be hell. Why is that??
by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2006 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction on WPA
by Solanus on Aug 1, 2006 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Subject: "Cards Bolster Bullpen Before Trade Deadline"
Friggin' spin doctors.
by Big Red on Jul 31, 2006 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
The Cardinals made a move to bolster their bullpen at the Trade Deadline on Monday, acquiring RHP Jorge Sosa from the Braves for Minor League reliever Rich Scalamandre. Sosa, 28, has gone 3-10 with a 5.46 ERA in 26 games (13 starts) for the Braves in 2006, following a 13-3, 2.55 ERA season in 2005. As a reliever, he has gone 2-2 with three saves and a 5.19 ERA this season.
gee, way to bolster it with that 5.46 ERA. but hey! in relief he has a 5.19 ERA!
by lopey986 on Jul 31, 2006 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casey Blake...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 31, 2006 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bah
by TNFan32 on Jul 31, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Cuban
by cardsrul on Jul 31, 2006 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols is "a" god
This isn't a religious issue. He just hasn't played ten years, so he isn't eligible.
by Solanus on Aug 1, 2006 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic...
by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2006 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not the worst team...
by cardsrul on Jul 31, 2006 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
by TNFan32 on Jul 31, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I take that back
Maybe we should be investing in some better scouts or development coaches?
by TNFan32 on Jul 31, 2006 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue that..
by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2006 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
J. Sosa? Are you kidding me?
by Baily on Jul 31, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess
What ever happened to Brad Thompson too?
by DimitroffVodka on Jul 31, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thompson is in AAA
by stltrav09 on Jul 31, 2006 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz Again
Luna goes 1-4 with his 15th double and a run scored batting 7th for the Tribe.
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 31, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ortiz gets the benefit of being pitched to...
Albert would have been walked and Rolen would have batted with the bases loaded.
Eric Wedge is an idiot.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 31, 2006 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No disrespect to Rolen, but
by Solanus on Aug 1, 2006 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Days End
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 31, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Ortiz gives me a thought ...
We could put Prince Albert in the DH slot, move Duncan to first base where he feels more comfortable, and then Rodriguez can play everyday to recover that power stroke from last y-
Oh, yeah. Forgot.
In the AL you get 27 outs to score your runs, not 22 or 23.
by red menace on Jul 31, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my question...
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because we needed to BOLSTER the staff
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 31, 2006 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Lord
The movie Major League ring a bell??? lol...
by TNFan32 on Jul 31, 2006 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 31, 2006 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who plays what part?
by TNFan32 on Jul 31, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they sell the Urinals in that one?
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 31, 2006 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question..
However, except for the "Why not wait?" part, I have no complaints about this trade per se. I wish we had done more, yes, but we got Sosa for, practically, nothing and he might end up helping. If not, we didn't give up much.
A quick question, somewhere up dairy someone said we wouldn't have to pay Bigbie next year. Is he a FA after this year? I thought he was still under team control for a year or two.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 31, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but...
that 5 million could have been spent much, much better, either in the offseason or now: knock 5 mil off of Abreu's salary, or Burrell's, get Philly to eat some of it, and the deal becomes pretty affordable. trade them the two middling prospects we gave up for Weaver and Sosa plus one or two other extraneous pieces, and it looks like an impact move.
plus we save more over the next 4 years when we are paying Luna league minimum for league average production (or better?).
i mean, it can't be that simple. someone please explain to me where i'm wrong.
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically
I mean, who would've thought this time last year that our next additions would be Bigbie, Spivey, Rincon, Perez, Sosa, Miles, Belliard, Encarnacion, Looper, Hancock, Ponson and a slumping Weaver? Obviously, some of those players didn't turn out as expected, but shouldn't that reflect poorly on management as well?
Burnett seems like a distant memory, but perhaps even more important is that their pursuit of Burnett is the only memory I have of an attempt to upgrade the roster.
by rob is back on Aug 1, 2006 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bigbie signed a 1 yr contract...
So, unless he comes back from injury and goes on a tear, we basically we got 25 mediocre ABs from Bigbie.
With his salary of $900,000, that's $36,000 per AB.
by jdubya on Aug 1, 2006 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2006 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thames
by cjwest20 on Jul 31, 2006 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because...
need more?
by kindred on Jul 31, 2006 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There
Heavily.
by Alxfritz on Aug 1, 2006 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if i recall rightly...
which isn't a bad thing. just saying, is all.
by kindred on Aug 1, 2006 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs




















