Game 81 Open Thread: July 3, 2006

reyes smoltz
1-2, 2.16 4-5, 3.73
i love matchups like this one. when john smoltz started his first playoff game back in 1991, anthony reyes wasn't quite 10 years old; and at this moment, somewhere out there in the (probably) western hemisphere, there's a 10-year-old kid who might get to pitch against anthony reyes in 2021. ring out the old, ring in the new . . .
but the youth-vs-age trope runs only skin deep. from an organizational perspective, the cardinals seem depressingly close in age to the braves, whose endless prime has finally passed. atlanta is built around players who are closer to the end than the beginning, and while st louis hasn't quite got there yet (thank you albert), age (edmonds, izzy) and free-agency (the pitch-to-contact 4) may -- sooner than we'd like -- dump the cardinals into the same type of trough atlanta has found.
since the three-division format began, at least one of these two teams has played in every nlcs except one -- the 2003 series (florida vs chicago). if that era isn't over already, it's up to the cardinals -- and, to a great extent, young mr reyes -- to say so.
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lineups
LF Duncan, Chris
1B Pujols, Albert
3B Rolen, Scott
CF Edmonds, Jim
RF Encarnacion, Juan
C Molina, Yadier
2B Miles, Aaron
P Reyes, Anthony
2B Giles, Marcus
SS Renteria, Edgar
3B Jones, Chipper
CF Jones, Andruw
C McCann, Brian
RF Francoeur, Jeff
1B LaRoche, Adam
LF Langerhans, Ryan
P Smoltz, John
Duncan obviously is back. Anyone know what the second half of the roster move was?
Why Miles?
doesn't make much sense to me
Miles .261/.331/.332 for the Season
Luna .299/.349/.390 in June
Luna .315/.365/.438 for the Season
Thompson
He spent a few innings in AAA
I'm going to take a wild stab...
by Baily on Jul 3, 2006 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Do you also believe the Cardinals should start bunting and stealing more bases?
by ryanisforever on Jul 3, 2006 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I know some like it
Make up ground?
:)
by Big Red on Jul 3, 2006 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
the Reds lost
Calming effect
"The Pitch-to-Contact Four"
I'm glad Duncan is back...
Chris Duncan
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 3, 2006 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
International Signing Day
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/news/261870.html
...seems like maybe the Cards should take a page out of the Nationals book and make a big splash to get other Latino prospects attention. The Red Sox and Yankees (surprise surprise) also cleaned up with talented prospects.
Other half of Duncan transaction
The Cards now have
by Pujols4Pres on Jul 3, 2006 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
I noticed Renteria
Has he been there all year for the Braves? He's obviously having a good year.
by Pujols4Pres on Jul 3, 2006 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
Why I am posting here
I was fuming over the decision to pitch around Jones and load the bases with less than two outs, and was about to post something angry.
I still don't like it.
Bah.
Rick Sutcliffe
They could be...
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2006 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember him saying last year
Man, he pounds the snot out of Smoltz.
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 3, 2006 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
7-14, 3 HR, 5 RBI
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 3, 2006 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
probably b/c...
Pujols
Rain Delay News - Rasmus to Palm Beach
http://www.swingbaseball.com/?entry=1936
IMHO, Do not trade Rasmus. For once, let's develop a player, bring him up through the system and see if we have something.
dang it
BTW...
man, it seems like reyes
by brock on Jul 3, 2006 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Cards Prospects
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2006/7/3/20565/56191
Kinney
You could see him
poor guy.
Hope you didn't want cream with that coffee
See ya Kinney.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2006 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
He recovered pretty well..
Just like Falkenborg???
knew not new
I'm still mad about falk
(and yes, I know he ignored yadi, but he had been off the bus for 2 hours when they put him in to pitch!)
Quad Cities
While the Reds do suck...
We get swept by Houston and we could drop from first to fourth.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh and we have to play them in that
I thought a bunch of us decided we were going to burn the place down in a previous thread...
I was gonna level out that damn hill in center...
and I'll
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 3, 2006 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Post game show
Does anyone know what
Anyone?
by RosevilleRedbird on Jul 3, 2006 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
the season
Not good. We are making other teams 'look" like us and we look more and more like the teams the Cardinals have beaten in years past. This game should have been over when Eck and Duncan were on base for Albert with no body out.
by scott tracy on Jul 3, 2006 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Edmonds looks slow
I hope ESPN's gun was slow
Of course, Smoltz didn't hit 90 often and only hit 91 about once; last time I saw him on TV in Chicago that gun was showing him regularly at 93 mph. Then again, that was the game he hurt his hamstring...
88-89 MPH
Personally, I liked the 95 MPH shit better.
the gun
by matt reeder on Jul 4, 2006 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
kinda off topic
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 4, 2006 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
to be fair we don't know that Dunc
Reyes has had back to back mediocre outings and that's gonna happen. We stuck with Marquis through his sh*t for 2.5 years now let's let Reyes have some off days before we blame Dunc or Reyes. Sometimes pitchers give up runs.
That being said, if Dunc says himself that he is promoting a pitch to contact strategy or wants him to induce more groundballs with a two seamer, I am going to seriously go apesh*t
There was a graph in yesterday's PD
"Earlier this season, Reyes reiterated that he never pitches "to contact." Duncan believes that contact can be beneficial because it saves wear and tear. To control contact, however, requires precise command within the strike zone.Those who have worked with Reyes see him coming around to that philosophy."
I agree that we don't know, but I question if Reyes' sudden loss of precision isn't because Duncan is messing with him. I can't say that I'm surprised and I only hope that Reyes can hold it together, while still appeasing Duncan.
I forgot to add the link to the story
sgfcards brought this to my attention in a thread yesterday.
I've never seen a groundball...
Reyes has not looked as sharp as he had in the past, which scares me. I can only imagine what Wainwright into the rotation would do to him. Even in the BP he's giving up HRs.
He's a known entity in the pen. Let's just leave him there for now and trust that he will continue to be above average as he has been.
Of course, I'm sure Tony blamed tonights loss on defense and offense. If our outfielders would have jumped over the fences or our batters had all hit homeruns, the starting pitching and bullpen woes would have been moot.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 4, 2006 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree on Wainwright
I may be wrong, but I thought Reyes looked like he was trying something new in his last start. I didn't see much of tonight's game, unfortunately, but the results seem predicatable, if Duncan is messing with his game.
he struck out five
What encouraged me the most was that he refused to nibble, he kept going after people when he could.
On the bright side..
I did some research on Blake King, he was a 44th round draft pick in '05, and is 19 years old.
Here's the line:
STL R King, Blake ............... 5.0 5 1 1 1 10 1.20
I've been watching him
I'm hoping to see
I'm also interested in seeing how
I hope you'll share your assessment with us, regardless of who starts when you see them.
Make that his last two outings
I can't believe you guys ignored this
Doesn't excuse the post-delay play, but these things have to be taken into consideration.



















