Game 101 Open Thread: July 27, 2006

weaver hill
4-11, 6.32 0-4, 9.31
according to ken rosenthal's rumor roundup at foxsports.com (scroll down to the last item), the cardinals were among five teams scouting jon lieber's start for the phillies last night and cory lidle's today. the latter was a damn fine outing: 8 innings, 4 hits, 2 runs, 0 walks and 8 ks. tom gordon (who, you never know, might be available too) closed it out with a perfect 9th. it was lidle's 4th quality start in 5 july outings, and his 13th overall this year in 21 games; pretty good ratio. (chris carpenter has 13 q.s. in 20 starts.) overall lidle now stands at 8-7 with a 4.74 era.
lieber's start last night was more ambiguous -- 7 innings, 11 hits, 4 runs. (gordon closed that game, too.) he's only 4-7 this year with a 5.52 era -- jason marquis, minus 8 wins -- and hasn't pitched well at any point this season; he did win 17 games last year and was considered the phils' number 2 . . .
superficially, at least, both of these guys seem to fit the mold of a duncan/la russa reclamation -- underperforming veterans who know how to make adjustments and might be responsive to duncan's magic touch. lieber is signed next year for $7.5 million; lidle's a free agent after this season. it's difficult for me to see how either one makes the cardinals a whole lot better . . . i'd take wainwright over either one of'm.
and i still have my fingers crossed that the pitcher st louis is really scouting in philadelphia is flash gordon. for what it's worth, derrick goold blogged today that "A reliever seems more and more on the Cardinals' wish list." the same post notes, however, that jocketty
the first half of the above-referenced rosenthal post, by the way, has the astros ready to do just about anything for a hitter. . . . . the reds, so far, have made out pretty well in the wake of their big trade: they are 7-4 since the swap and have a 2-game lead in the wild card race. (they were half a game out at the time of the deal.) more telling perhaps -- insofar as the trade was designed to shore up their bullpen -- the reds have gone 7-1 in games decided by 1 or 2 runs. the cincinnati bullpen over that stretch is 5-1 with a 2.59 era and 1.12 whip.
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Maybe I'm just grasping at straws and hoping Suppan's second-half surge is for real, Mulder will come back strong, and we can get the good Bipolar Betty closer to 2/3rds of the time instead of half.
AAAA Player
Until tonight
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 27, 2006 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Bipolar Betty
If we could get Jeff Conine to platoon with Young Duncan and a veteran wing for the 'pen, I'd be a happy man. The trouble is that 3/4 of the league is looking for bullpen wings at this juncture.
Cards...
we're screwed.
Correction
Request
like so
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Al from Bleed Cubbie Blue
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 27, 2006 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i appreciate it too guys
While you're there...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 27, 2006 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides Willis
What would it take to get David Delluchi, Aaron Fultz, and Gordon from the Phillies?
What about Brandon McCarthy?
never gonna happen
Lieber
outfielders
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/story/2006/7/26/20618/8131#readmore
a little surprised that according to this our defensive hole is in centerfield. juan and so are apparently invaluable in the field. hrm.
defense
Any info you could provide about what this stat means and how it is determined is helpful. Thanks again for the info.
Andruw Jones?
he's been slowed to a crawl
Loss of range might explain
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 27, 2006 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
still figuring that out...
best i could tell, there is some sort of arm rating is involved, but i'm still trying to dissect the formulas.
here's the site it links to with an explanation of zone rating:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/33941/
Meh
SP'S
schmidt
by scott tracy on Jul 28, 2006 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
About Marquis...
by Toddius396 on Jul 27, 2006 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
lineups
eck ss
dunc lf
pujols 1b
rolen 3b
en'nacion rf
jed cf
luna 2b
molina c
weaver p
flubs
pierre cf
walker 2b
barrett c
ramierez 3b
jones rf
nevin 1b
murton lf
perez ss
hill p
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 27, 2006 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Left hander
by Toddius396 on Jul 27, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
wily mo pena
by cards4ever on Jul 27, 2006 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
sorry i didn't finish
by cards4ever on Jul 27, 2006 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheesh
I would give any of our 5's for Willy. We need to get rid of one of them anyways. I mean the Red Sox could get the NL leader in Wins. They probably would want Cy Young Suppan though.
by DimitroffVodka on Jul 27, 2006 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Dangling over the Lidge?
by 26thMan on Jul 27, 2006 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
Duh.
by 26thMan on Jul 27, 2006 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope Weaver...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 27, 2006 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
Forgot that I get the pleasure of
He's more entertaining than the ....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 27, 2006 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
by Baily on Jul 27, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How in the hell...
by Quietude on Jul 27, 2006 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
Hey Morgan:
(And nice gopher ball, Weaver. Next time try not setting it on a tee.)
by Quietude on Jul 27, 2006 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
Two pitches up in the zone
by 26thMan on Jul 27, 2006 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Weaver
Weaver
30 isn't that young!
Nice catch by Scottah by the way
Speaking of dialed in
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 27, 2006 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it time?
I'd say he's decent
The Cardinals can't afford a lineup of All-Stars...so I'll take him. For now. Maybe for the life of his contract.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 27, 2006 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
On 2nd thought
I've warmed up to Enc but...
15 games & 38 ABs, all in 2003. Here's his line:
.184/.238/.368 with 2 HRs and 3 RBIs.
He is a streaky player. I'm hoping that he gets hot during the playoffs.
He's been better than I thought and he does have a ring. Here's hoping he gets another this year.
this is kind of random
by sjoshi on Jul 27, 2006 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
wow...
that's weird.
Interesting
Minor League Stories
Larry Bigbie is sitting out his 8th straight game today, story about his health woes here. No word as to whether his rehab has been put on hold or if he'll rejoin the Cardinals next week.
Weaver's getting himself out of some jams tonight. Looks like this could be an entertaining game.
FYI, MLB TV subscribers...
With this program, you can view up to 6 games at the same time!
It's very cool. You can also view just one game. When viewing one game, the view quality is good. Seems MLB has done some improvements. Not sure if the upgraded video is only with Mosaic. Also, they have a running line score & box score.
You can get the download at MLB.com. Look under the Audio & Video menu for MLB.TV Mosaic.
I've been using it the past couple of days
I have to disagree with the quality while viewing a single game. It looks like it's been enlarged on my screen and so the quality is deteriorated. If so, I'd prefer they left an option to view the original. While smaller, the old way still looks better on my monitor.
Thanks for the info
by iron duke75 on Jul 27, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Where have you been...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 27, 2006 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Iggy, inform your fellow
Sorry,....
I think the panel grouping is weird. Why don't they organize by start time, or in some cases by division?
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 30, 2006 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Yan
by 26thMan on Jul 27, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
Weavers Slider
I just don't know about him. He needs to just keep pumping the slider.
I'll be bold
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 27, 2006 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He better
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 27, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Outlasted Hill
Stroke it Albert!
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 27, 2006 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Duncan cracks me
dont see that
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 27, 2006 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
that DP grounder
by 26thMan on Jul 27, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
Sheesh
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 27, 2006 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
Even the MVP
Weaver seems to have settled down...for now
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 27, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
just caught him trying too hard
Go Scotty.
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 27, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
this game...
Weaver's got great-looking stuff
weaver
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 27, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Oh Jeezus
Has he even pitched since the last time the Cubs played the Cards?
Cubs' mound convo
Dusty: Sure thing, Neifi. Don't forget my fresh toothpick at the top of the inning."
by 26thMan on Jul 27, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
I'd say...
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 27, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
LOB
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 27, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
weaver did well
by sjoshi on Jul 27, 2006 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Well???
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 27, 2006 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cory Lidle
by DimitroffVodka on Jul 27, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
I just turned on the game...
Whatever Juan. Hit as many HRs as you want. I still think you suck.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
Risk vs Reward....
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like getting on a Cardinal
The WGN replays make it look like Juan had zero idea what was going on in the game.
That could have kept 2 runs off the board.
Disagree
by Ray Lankford on Jul 28, 2006 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
How about we just stop screwing around...
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
Nice job there kid...
uncardinal like game
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Jul 27, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
I beg to differ...
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want Albert playing tomorrow
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jul 27, 2006 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
But the bullpen sucks,...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 27, 2006 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
TJ had to face a righty
Josh Hancock got an out. Can't blame that on him.
This is a good bullpen. They can't all be Adam Wainwrights.
WTF Rolen
As Im typing that they rule that a base hit!?! That earns another WTF!
by Poooo Daddy on Jul 27, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Unless they changed Dan and Al said it was a hit
by Poooo Daddy on Jul 27, 2006 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Excuse me but! Where the hell was that pitch?
by Poooo Daddy on Jul 27, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
sure seems like...
i feel this game unravelling.
Somehow, in some way
hancock
by stlspecialsauce on Jul 27, 2006 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
.98 WHIP on the season
Wainwright has 20.
man...
i know, i know. just reminiscing.
Again
If I'm TLR I don't pull Hancock.
Anyone think?
damnit!
by stlspecialsauce on Jul 27, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Yea
by Pujols Is A God on Jul 27, 2006 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
by stlspecialsauce on Jul 27, 2006 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
UGH
by matt reeder on Jul 27, 2006 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
I can't stand Ron Santo....
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Gonzales...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 27, 2006 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
Gonzales would be hard to get...
Flores is ok. Johnson is young and has never pitched in the playoffs. That scares me.
not to pick on you but
Johnson against Lefties - .150/.271/.250
Flores against Lefties - .230/.309/.262
You don't get much better LOOGYs than that. They get slammed by righties though.
This bullpen takes a lot of undue flack in my opinion and has actually been quite good compared to other NL bullpens. Tonight TJ had to face a righty and that was a bad move imo.
Good point but...
I know that their splits are good against LH. I like TJ but I'm not real confident in him during the playoffs. Much more pressure.
My point was that if we could get an experienced LH pitcher for next to nothing (say Reid Gorecki or something) then maybe it would be a good move. We could keep TJ on the playoff roster and then ease him into the playoffs.
Being a rookie with no experience
My concern about the bullpen is having a game like that game 1 in the Boston series--if the 'pen has to go 2 or 3 innings, it's stellar and unstoppable. If it has to go 5 or 6, it's a damn disaster.
You're comparing TJ with K-Rod?
However, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, I don't think TJ is or will be as good as K-Rod. Correct me if I'm wrong but K-Rod has a mid to upper 90s fastball and a wicked slider.
TJ is young. Let's ease him into the playoffs. What's wrong with acquiring a veteran LH and also letting TJ get an appearance or two. We can always use LH pitching. You know how Tony likes the situational pitcher.
If we play like game 1 in Boston, then we won't need to worry about the bullpen. Carp has just been bombed and we'll be making a quick exit from the playoffs.
A few things
second, there will be three non-carp players starting in the postseason, and if a series goes to 7 games, the #1 starter will likely not be starting the first game of a series (especially since I really hope TLR tries to get three starts out of carp in a 7 game series). I could very much envision this team going through something that looks very much like game 1 of the 2004 series in the playoffs.
i don't know if any one
Explain something to me
Cause when you are down 1 run....
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
you misunderstood...
Duncan's gonna bat
I really don't understand where the Cubs got all..
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
As a between innings aside
I just wonder if he a) ever replicates 2005 again or b) ever fully recovers from a wrist injury.
$65 million is a hefty contract to have sitting on the DL for most of 2006.
I told my Cub fan friends
This is frickin' ridiculous.
by matt reeder on Jul 27, 2006 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
i can't believe
by stlspecialsauce on Jul 27, 2006 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
I think this team is
This is the Cubs World Series...
First Ramirez, then Jacque Jones. Unbelievable.
From Rotoworld
Since homering in his Astros debut, Huff is 8-for-44 with one RBI in 12 games. The Astros could really use a healthy Morgan Ensberg right about now."
And I really wanted us to pick him up...glad Walt passed on that,.
Juan taketh, Juan giveth away....
Rolen gets hit in the elbow
Juan hits a triple
...the rest, feh...you get the idea.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2006 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Look on the bright side....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 27, 2006 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Can we skip Izzy this series?
shit
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 27, 2006 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
these games piss me off so much
this was one of those
Pardon my language...
May God smite them swift and cruel.
by matt reeder on Jul 27, 2006 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
They scored four runs; it should have been fourteen. Cubs had a terrible pitcher on the mound....
I think Bi-Polar Betty describes the 2006 team as a whole, and not just Marquis. He's just the poster boy.
by sgfcards on Jul 27, 2006 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember
LOB's
by Birds on the Bat on Jul 27, 2006 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
Esteban Yan
So, now they have Odalis Perez and Esteban Yan. Yikes.
by sgfcards on Jul 27, 2006 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
My fault guys
I was kind of out of shirts because I need to do laundry and wasn't thinking and yeah.
Sorry about that.
Look, dude
Is it just me...
That's one of the things I really like about Carpenter - he rarely shows emotion either way. Very job-oriented. Goes about his business very professionally & sits down.



















