checking the ledger
Update [2006-7-12 11:6:19 by lboros]: espn radio is reporting that the astros acquired aubrey huff from the devil rays for two minor leaguers. here's a link from the 'stros official site.[end update]
halfway through spring training i ran a post titled, simply, "moneyball". it analyzed the st louis payroll using a pricing paradigm that cardinal stat consultant mitchel lichtman -- better known as mgl -- had described in an interview. i'll reprint the relevant passage:
we all good with the concept? let's proceed.
baseball prospectus has a variety of metrics to evaluate how many marginal runs a given player is contributing. the most straightforward is VORP (Value Over Replacement Player), an expression of the marginal runs a player contributes with his bat or his pitching arm. then there's FRAR (Fielding Runs Above Replacement), which attempts to capture the player's marginal-run production with the glove. neither metric is perfect, but both are free and readily accessible; just go with them, with the understanding that they're merely estimates.
if we sum a player's VORP and FRAR, we get a rough figure of his value in marginal runs; multiply by $200,000, and you can determine whether or not he is paying his own way. keep in mind that the $200K-per-marginal-run pricing structure applies only to players who are free-agent eligible; the market is obviously a lot cheaper for players who are unable to sell their services to the highest bidder.
let's start with the new acquisitions -- guys jocketty acquired this past off-season. the "marg runs" column in this table contains full-season numbers, extrapolated from each player's performance through the first 87 games. the "value" column represents the player's worth at $200K per marginal run. here we go:
| 2006 marg runs |
value | actual salary |
credit/ debit |
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|---|---|---|---|---|
| hancock | 25 | $5m | $327K | $4.7m |
| zpiezio | 22 | $4.4m | $327K | $4.1m |
| looper | 18 | $3.6m | $3.5m | $100K |
| ponson | 4.2 | $840K | $1m | -$160K |
| bennett | -4.6 | $327K | $800K | -$450K |
| spivey | --- | $0 | $1.2m | -$1.2m |
| encarnacion | 10.6 | $2.1m | $3.5m | -$1.4m |
| rincon | -- | $0 | $1.9m | -$1.9m |
| TOTAL | $3.8m |
basically, walt had a lousy winter but redeemed it with two heads-up acquisitions in spring-training. the looper and encarnacion contracts will both get worse over time, as their dollar values increase and the dividends in marginal runs likely decrease. but for this season, neither one is a disaster. the bottom five guys on this list -- from ponson on down -- consumed $8.4 million (nearly 10 percent of the payroll) without raising the team much above replacement level. but hancock and zpiezio are making significant contributions for the minimum wage, balancing out the ledger sheet nicely. i'm being generous to include hancock and zpiezio on this list, because neither was a free agent in the way we normally think of them -- that is, they weren't productive players who became eligible to sell their services to the highest bidder. they were, on the contrary, expendable players who got released and were fortunate to latch on with another major-league team. but i've got them on the list because they were shrewd value moves, and the point of the exercise is to gauge how well walter is deploying his financial resources.
now we'll turn to the holdover free-agents -- guys on multiyear deals that they signed as free agents before 2005:
| 2006 marg runs |
value | actual salary |
credit/ debit |
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|---|---|---|---|---|
| edmonds | 37 | $7.4m | $12m | -$4.6m |
| rolen | 96 | $19.2m | $11m | $8.2m |
| carp'ter | 62 | $12.4m | $5m | $7.4m |
| is'hausen | 20 | $4m | $8.5m | -$4.5m |
| eckstein | 45 | $9m | $3.5m | $5.5m |
| suppan | -9 | $327K | $4m | -$3.7m |
| TOTAL | $8.5m |
that's very good, especially when you consider the very large number of marginal runs these guys contribute. as a group, they're worth more than 250 marginal runs, or roughly 25 marginal wins over the course of the season. it's the core of the team -- with one very large exception -- and walter has them locked in at very attractive prices.
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by VanRam on Jul 12, 2006 9:48 AM EDT 0 recs
I'm for overpaying...
Another is the ChiSox with Konerko... It's an ok contract now, but will likely be bad at the end. Yet they knew they had to suck it up and do it.
I think it's ok to overpay for the top shelf talent. We found Carp in the bargain bin, but if this organization thinks that's going to happen with any regularity, we are in for some mediocre seasons...
by guayzimi on Jul 12, 2006 9:56 AM EDT 0 recs
agreed
by lboros on
Jul 12, 2006 10:16 AM EDT
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Two choices
2 - dump JEd and Mulder and Marquis and a bunch of others (Spivey, Bigbie, etc) next year, sign 1 FA OF bat and 1 FA impact pitcher, resign Suppan & Bennet & Spiezio, put Adam and Anthony in the rotation and go for next year without touching the farm.
Honestly, I would select #2, because it can open a new winning cycle, while #1 smells too much of "do or die".
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on
Jul 12, 2006 10:52 AM EDT
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dont forget
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 10:56 AM EDT
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Vidro....
Also, he would come at a much cheaper price then Soriano, who is at 272/338/549. In front of Albert and behind Eck, I would rather have the higher average and better OBP.
by Brock20 on
Jul 12, 2006 10:59 AM EDT
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i would prefer not to get a rent-a-player...but if we can get soriano without giving up reyes i would be okay with it.
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 11:03 AM EDT
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Manny Ramirez,,,
by matt reeder on
Jul 12, 2006 5:57 PM EDT
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Great analysis
how old is Eck? I've always thought he was at least somewhat of a bargain. And I'm glad to see the numbers on Rolen be so far on the positive side.
Thanks, lboros.
by sdrone on Jul 12, 2006 10:26 AM EDT 0 recs
Yeah
We all knew that St. Louis would love him. Spunky underdog type who never stops working.
I think we got the best out of that 3 shortstop free -agent dance.
Eckstein is 31 now I think.
by dontEATnachos on
Jul 12, 2006 10:41 AM EDT
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i dont
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 10:57 AM EDT
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Agreed
I think the holes in left and Jimmy's lower production have made it more apparent but this team just has so much less pop than the 2004 team. In 04 at every position, other than, 2b we pretty much had power. Even Matheny had a bit more pop than Molina (which I realize isn't saying much). Now the bottom of the order doesn't scare anybody. Renteria was a big part of that lineup and scared people in a way that Eck will never do.
But don't get me wrong, I think Eck is great and brings a lot to the team. I'm just not sure I wouldn't rather still have Edgar.
by OCCardsFan on
Jul 12, 2006 11:06 AM EDT
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he's great
To me, that leadoff spot is worth a lot.
by sdrone on
Jul 12, 2006 11:16 AM EDT
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about cost
Cabrera is having a good season but is still batting under .300. I think I'd take having Eckstein up in the 9th trying to get on base rather than the extra power you get with a Renteria/Cabrera type.
I mean, we've got a hole in left field that we should be able to fill that will get us those numbers (and maybe a decent #2 hitter).
by dontEATnachos on
Jul 12, 2006 11:22 AM EDT
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true his
i am defiantely happy with eckstein though. we just need a 2 hole hitter.
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 11:26 AM EDT
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Really I agree
I guess I'm just a bit embarassed to wear my band of sluggers (circa 2004) shirt anymore.
Just doesn't to apply to the Eck, Miles, JRod, Molina crew.
by OCCardsFan on
Jul 12, 2006 11:43 AM EDT
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we certainly
although we didnt have squat for a pitching staff that year either...i wish we could get great hitting and great pitching all in the same season for once.
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 11:47 AM EDT
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Well
Half small ball, hit for contact guys (eck, miles, jrod, luna) and half power guys (pujols, rolen, edmonds).
We just need another viable bat (and we'll just have to deal with encarnacion - where rallies often go to die and molina) to have that 50-50 power/small ball split.
by dontEATnachos on
Jul 12, 2006 11:48 AM EDT
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molina really
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 11:55 AM EDT
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yeah,
I don't mind Molina if there are guys on base because he's been pretty good in those situations.
by dontEATnachos on
Jul 12, 2006 1:55 PM EDT
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Juan
by STLEdge on
Jul 12, 2006 2:00 PM EDT
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yeah, yeah, yeah
by dontEATnachos on
Jul 12, 2006 2:07 PM EDT
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Free Agents '05-06
The owners have made it clear what they want to do. They are fine with the bargain players and will overpay a little for mid tier guys like Encarnacion/ Looper, but they will only open the vaults for guys like Rolen, Edmonds, Issi type players (which they have proven they will do).
I'm pretty cool with this philosophy. We put in a competitive offer for somebody that ALMOST fit the bill (Burnett minus injury history/ more history of production and I think we would gone further for him. Fortunately, we didn't).
Unfortunately, the perinial All-Star type players aren't ubundant in the free agent market, and we don't have a lot of resources to trade. I just don't see an impact hitter falling in our lap that fits this criteria (the only possible exception is an aging star like Larry Walker, but the other team will need to pick up some of the salary).
I hate to say it, but I think what you see is what you get for the 2006 Cardinals...
by MRCARD on Jul 12, 2006 10:48 AM EDT 0 recs
what you're describing
but in a league that's this weak, and with the core of HOF-class talent the cardinals possess, shouldn't they be dominating?
by lboros on
Jul 12, 2006 11:12 AM EDT
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The overall key...
I love the moneyball philosophy of not overspending on closers - because more times then not, when you're leading a game with 3 outs to go - you're going to win.
I would like to see the club go for it this year, but I don't know if they have the expendable prospects to allow them to.
by Toddius396 on
Jul 12, 2006 4:03 PM EDT
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rincon
by Schnake on Jul 12, 2006 11:03 AM EDT 0 recs
1.9 million
but if he were working with dunc...he probably would be having a good year. the cardinals do wonders with their relievers.
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 11:05 AM EDT
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Managing Match-Ups
by bgh on
Jul 12, 2006 3:56 PM EDT
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this is a bit non-sequitor, but...
If Garner had put Rolen in the game, the game might have ended on that Konerko ground ball. I'm pretty sure Cabrera was standing in the dugout.
When we have to open the World Series in frigid Chicago or scary-as-hell Yankee Stadium (or, gulp, Fenway), Jock should send Cabrera a thank you note...and then trade for him and put him back in left where he belongs.
Of course, if we're actually fortunate enough to make the Series, I probably won't care. It's just my major argument with the "This Time (and last time, and the time before that) it Counts" charade.
by itsalemmon1019 on Jul 12, 2006 11:10 AM EDT 0 recs
Huff
by stlnd on Jul 12, 2006 11:12 AM EDT 0 recs
uhh...yikes
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Jul 12, 2006 11:16 AM EDT
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Here's the stats on the Houston minor leaguers
Talbot: 22 yrs old (turning 23 in October), 6-4, 3.39 ERA, 90.1 IP, 94 H, 29 BB, 96 K
Zobrist: 25 yrs old, .327 AVG/.434 OBP/.473 SLG, 3 HR, 30 RBI, 6 3B, 9 SB, 55 BB, 46 K
Both actually seem like decent prospects, so maybe Walt just didn't have enough chips to work with, at least among the players he was willing to deal. Still, I would've been a big fan of seeing Huff in a Cardinal uniform and patrolling left field.
by stlnd on
Jul 12, 2006 11:25 AM EDT
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baseball america
Best Strike-Zone Discipline: Ben Zobrist
Best Changeup: Mitch Talbot
and from a houston astros blog...
9-Ben Zobrist, SS, L/R, 6'3" 200, DOB: 5/26/81
One big time shot on Zobrist is his age and his level of play. While he definitely has the talent to be a major league infielder, he has been slowed by indecision. Zobrist has good defensive skills and good offensive skills. His speed is also pretty good along with his base running ability. I definitely think Zobrist would be the likely candidate to replace Everett if he were to leave this year. His defense and maturity alone would be enough for me to give him a late season call up. His great pro debut says that he could be ready sooner rather then later. I expect to see Ben get a call sometime in September or possibly even a look this spring should the Astros lose Everett via trade.
2005 Stats
A (Lexington)-.304/.415/.413, 2 HR, 47/35 BB/K in 247 ABs, 16 SB
A (Salem)-.333/.475/.496, 3 HR, 37/17 BB/K in 141 ABs, 2 SB
http://insidethedugout.blogspot.com/2006/01/houston-astros-top-10-prospects.html
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 11:30 AM EDT
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Sickels Had Zobrist Rated 8th
by stlnd on
Jul 12, 2006 11:33 AM EDT
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Talbot...
See http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/Mitch-Talbot.shtml
by guayzimi on
Jul 12, 2006 2:19 PM EDT
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Baseball Musings
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/016011.php
Quote on how Huff affects the 'Stros:
"...He gives them flexiblity as he can play third, first and right. Lane goes to minors and Ensberg will get less playing time.
"I hope this isn't a long term move with Ensberg and Huff. I assume Morgan is still recovering from his injury. A healthy Endsberg is a better player than Huff, and I'm not sure a hurt Ensberg isn't a better player."
by bgh on
Jul 12, 2006 4:00 PM EDT
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Win Shares
by Just Rope Ball on Jul 12, 2006 11:19 AM EDT 0 recs
How Did Walt Miss This Deal?
Here's what Houston gave away:
Talbot, 22, RHP
6-4 with a 3.39 ERA (34ER/90.1IP) in 18 appearances (17 starts) for Double A Corpus Christi this season
Seventh in the Texas League in ERA and third with 96 strikeouts.
Zobrist, 25,
BA:.327 (103x315) for Corpus Christi this year
three home runs, 25 doubles, six triples, and 30 RBI
Second in the Texas League in batting this season. Zobrist was named a Texas League All-Star last month, and he has earned All-Star honors in each of his professional seasons
Is it really the case that St.L couldn't match this offer?
by Titus Pullo on Jul 12, 2006 11:25 AM EDT 0 recs
maybe
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 11:31 AM EDT
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It's possible
by cardsrul on
Jul 12, 2006 11:36 AM EDT
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Sure seems like we have the middling arms
Walt needs to pull the trigger on an everyday LF. Our OPS over there is bad... (see 2005 vs. 2006 Offensive Production Diary by bgh for an excellent breakdown)
by azruavatar on
Jul 12, 2006 11:42 AM EDT
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Hard to say, but
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Jul 12, 2006 12:55 PM EDT
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World Series Winners Marginal Runs
by BigJawnMize on Jul 12, 2006 11:42 AM EDT 0 recs
Vote
The #3 cardinals prospect diary is up so head over and vote please. Just for the record the list so far is:
- Colby Rasmus
- Jamie Garcia
- ?????
Thanks for voting.
by DJ87 on Jul 12, 2006 12:34 PM EDT 0 recs
Jimmy
by DJ87 on Jul 12, 2006 12:37 PM EDT 0 recs
also
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 12:42 PM EDT
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Rasmus in the Sunshine State
LB, great site....a must read every day.
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but Colby's been promoted to Palm Beach.
I'm stoked because I've followed Colby since high school, and my fiancee covered him doing sports in GA (he even gave me his first autograph as a Cardinal an hour after he was drafted.)
Now, I live in SW Florida and I can't wait to see him when the PB Cards come to play the Ft. Myers Miracle.
by core blog on Jul 12, 2006 12:39 PM EDT 0 recs
Welcome!!
by WiscCard on
Jul 12, 2006 1:19 PM EDT
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Little Mac
Looks like we have a replacement for Miles. Give Joe Mac a minor league deal ASAP.
by DJ87 on Jul 12, 2006 12:42 PM EDT 0 recs
we already
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 12:43 PM EDT
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Hector...whoopsie
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 12, 2006 12:49 PM EDT
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Yeah, there it goes
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Jul 12, 2006 12:59 PM EDT
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you are
and joe mc is a career .251 hitter with a .302 obp...no thanks
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 1:09 PM EDT
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espn radio
cardinals were mentioned as a leading contender for him. using the word "a" instead of "the" leading contender. there are others in the mix but the cards are consistently mentioned.
still not convinced it's going to happen.
by busch league on Jul 12, 2006 1:05 PM EDT 0 recs
They're reporting TODAY
by sdrone on
Jul 12, 2006 1:21 PM EDT
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Yeah, that seems odd...
Phillips listed the Cardinals as the #1 suitor, followed by a few other teams, one of which the Angels.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jul 12, 2006 1:26 PM EDT
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Remember,
by cardsrul on
Jul 12, 2006 1:36 PM EDT
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maybe not so odd...
apparently, now the nats are saying..."come one, come all."
that's just one guy's theory though.
by busch league on
Jul 12, 2006 1:45 PM EDT
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This rumor from Bernie's Press Box
Reds get: Willis, Tejada
O's get: Felipe Lopez, Scott Hatteberg
I'm not buying it, but I figured I'd try and keep my fellow VEB's informed.
Reportedly reported on ESPN radio.
by stash3630 on Jul 12, 2006 1:35 PM EDT 0 recs
hmm i dunno
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 1:39 PM EDT
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i thought
by gthedamned on
Jul 12, 2006 1:47 PM EDT
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well if this happens
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 1:49 PM EDT
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last i heard this rumor
by gthedamned on
Jul 12, 2006 1:51 PM EDT
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he is pretty good
i guess i just remember the part of the year where griffey went out and his average dropped from 340 to 230...i had him on my fantasy team at that point too.
he seems to be a pretty capable player and has that all out playing style where he gives everything every play that i enjoy.
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 2:09 PM EDT
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Wait, did you just say
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Jul 12, 2006 1:50 PM EDT
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my bad
but their stat line from last year was similar, id probably even give a nudge to felipe.
tejada: 26 homers, 98 rbi, 40 walks, 5 steals, 89 runs, .304 avg, .349 obp, .515 slug. 654 at bats.
lopez: 23 homers, 85 rbi, 57 walks, 15 steals, 97 runs, .291 avg, .352 obp, .486 slug. 580 at bats.
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 1:59 PM EDT
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huh?
I call shenanagins on that, even I couldn't dream up something like that.
by jroman on
Jul 12, 2006 1:41 PM EDT
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well yeah...
by lopey986 on
Jul 12, 2006 1:43 PM EDT
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the
Did you guys know that Alex Cora hit Zambrano on the pitching elbow with a fungo bat yesterday? Now THAT'S some Cub Luck for ya!
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