trey hearne speaks
mark mccormick came off the DL for quad cities last night and made his 1st start in more than a month. his return is most welcome, and he pitched pretty well -- 4 innings, 2 runs, 0 walks against dayton. the only downside for readers of this site is that mccormick displaced trey hearne from the rotation -- this despite the fact that hearne went 3-1 with a 1.98 era in 7 starts as mccormick's understudy. during that span he held opposing batters to a .211 average, struck out a man an inning, and had a 4:1 strikeout-walk ratio -- impressive numbers at any level, major league or minors. hearne did get into the game last night -- won it, actually, with 5 innings of 2-hit relief, to raise his season record to 7-2. but moving forward it's back to the bullpen for VEB's favorite under-the-radar prospect.
the 'pen has been hearne's home for most of his professional career, which began last season when the cardinals took him in the 28th round out of texas a&m-corpus christi. hearne was only the 2d big-league draftee in the history of that school -- the 1st, centerfielder charles carter, went 1 round ahead of him, also to the cardinals. hearne pitched well in short-season a last season (here's his stat line, college and pro), striking out nearly 10 guys per 9 innings and holding opposing hitters to a .181 avg, and he got off to a strong start this year coming out of the quad cities bullpen -- at one point this spring he retired 22 consecutive men, 5 shy of a piece-meal perfect game. in may he picked up a few spot starts, pitched well, was noticed by DCGreg about this time last month, and has been mentioned routinely on this blog ever since.
another VEB reader, stlnd (who writes the Luck o' the Redbirds blog), chatted hearne up from the stands when quad cities came to south bend for a series week before last. turns out hearne had no idea any st louis fans were even aware of his existence, much less diligently tracking his every performance. i followed up with an e-mail to quad cities broadcaster ben chiswick, who set up an interview for me last week. it took place last wednesday, a few hours before hearne went out and beat fort wayne.
here's the transcript; hope you enjoy it. if you're watching the All-Star Game tonight, i will have a game thread up this afternoon.

you pitched in relief last year and the first part of this year, and then about the end of may they moved you into the starting rotation. what was the reasoning behind that?
originally i was a long reliever -- we throw a lot of innings, and when a starter goes down and has to miss a start, we'll take a spot start. they just throw you in there, because you can throw more innings than most other relievers. so they threw me in there when somebody went down, i can't remember who, and i had a couple of spot starts, and then mccormick got hurt. i took a couple of starts for him and i ended up doing good, and he was gonna be down for a while so they just left me in there because i was having some success. i guess they figured i was doing better at that than i was at relieving, which so far has been true. i had a couple of bad outings in relief. i just seemed to be doing better in the rotation.
do you like pitching out of the rotation better, or do you prefer relief pitching?
they're about the same, um --- i don't know, i can't say that. i like knowing when i'm going to throw. i like pitching every five days. relievers, we don't know when we're gonna pitch, gotta be ready every day. so mentally it's actually a little bit easier starting.
you were a starting pitcher in college?
yes sir.
it looks like you took a real step forward your senior year at corpus christi and were pretty dominant. the previous year you had done pretty well, but your era came way down and your strikeouts went way up in your senior year. did you do anything differently?
well, what happened was i've always played both ways -- i played in the outfield and i was pitching. and that took a toll on me on the mound. my arm was just tired because i had to go play in the outfield after i was done pitching, and my legs were tired. and my senior year, what they did was they just said, 'look, we just want you to pitch. we think you can help us out more on the mound than in the field." it freed up a lot of time. i had a lot of time to work on extra stuff and run a little bit more and do some other stuff to get in good shape as a pitcher. and that helped a lot, not having to worry about hitting and just being able to focus on pitching. i miss hitting, but i definitely wasn't as good a hitter as it turned out i was on the mound.
they started you out last year in the new york-penn league. what was that transition like, coming into professional baseball?
it was tough -- more mentally than physically. just being able to get yourself prepared every single day to go out and pitch was something that i had never done before. it was tough to get used to. i was real thankful to have had a good year considering all the changes that i went through to get ready for professional baseball.
you grew up in texas and then went to college there. was it a big change to find yourself playing professional ball on the east coast, in new jersey?
it wasn't that big a shock. i mean, everything's different, but i've traveled a lot for baseball, and really texas isn't all that different from anywhere else. so it wasn't that bad.
this year you're on a team that has some of the most talked-about prospects in the cardinal organization. colby rasmus -- until the last couple of days, he was your teammate. bryan anderson gets a lot of attention, mark mccormick gets a lot of attention. jaime garcia started getting talked about a lot this year. does that make it harder or easier for you to be surrounded by guys who are touted as some of the top guys in the cardinal system?
i don't know if it's harder or easier, but it makes it a lot of fun -- so i guess, really, it makes it easier. to watch some of the guys play, it's a treat. to watch rasmus, or to be able to pitch to anderson -- those guys are 19 years old, and they're both more mature baseball-wise than i would consider myself right now. it's just a lot of fun. i love baseball, and to see talent like that and to be able to see it every day -- really, it's a blessing. i enjoy it.
tell me a little bit about your repertoire as a pitcher -- what's your best pitch, what are you developing, what do you go to in a jam?
i throw a fastball, curveball, a slider, and a changeup. and it depends on what day it is as to which one's my best pitch. i consider my fastball probably my most valuable, because most of the time -- not every day, but most of the time -- i can put it where i want to, which makes everything else just a little more effective. but i need all of them. i don't throw hard, so being able to kind of trick batters is how i work. that's how i get guys out.
what do you top out at with your fastball?
i think this year the hardest i've thrown one is 88 or 89. i hit 90 or 91 last year, but that was out of relief. i don't throw hard, and if i try to throw hard, it seems like the harder i throw the more i get hit. my curveball breaks pretty good; it's easy to pick up but it's got a big break, so it's pretty hard for them to just crush it. but it's different for every batter that comes in there. it just depends on what they hit better, but the curveball is probably my out pitch.
i'll admit i'm a little bit surprised -- just looking at your stats, with all those strikeouts, i thought you were gonna tell me you threw it 100 miles an hour.
no, in fact if you go and watch me throw, you're not gonna think a whole lot. i'm not lighting up the gun or blowing it by anybody. i'm out there chipping away, trying to get outs.
you've been on a pretty impressive run since you joined the rotation -- an era in the 1.00s with a low hit total and a lot of strikeouts. is there anything in particular that you can put your finger on to explain why things are working out so well right now?
i couldn't say one thing, just trying to stay focused. when we play teams, i try to pay attention to what their hitters do [when i'm not pitching] and try to figure out how other guys are getting them out or how i think i could get them out. when i'm on the mound i try to stay calm, don't panic about anything. if i give up a home run or a double or whatever, just handle it as it comes. because if you start getting worried out there on the mound, that's when things really start going bad.
what are you working on in particular to try to get yourself ready to move forward in the organization?
i probably need to get a little more movement on my fastball. it's pretty flat, pretty straight. if i can add a little sink on it, that would be good. also being able to pitch inside a little more, keeping guys off the plate, keeping them from getting comfortable. there's always something. i'll never have this thing figured out; there'll always be something to fix.
how do you like working with bryan eversgerd, your pitching coach?
i like him a lot. he's not too controlling. he kind of lets you do your own thing, but he gives you advice. i've learned a whole lot about myself and about how i should pitch. it's been good. i've liked working with him.
is there a pitcher who you really identify with, or rooted for as a kid growing up?
probably greg maddux, just because of his style. the way he throws is a lot like i throw. of course, he's 100 times better than me, but he doesn't throw very hard, and he has to hit his spots. to watch him throw, it's amazing to see what he can do.
maddux of course is sort of the gold standard of precision pitchers. are there other guys in the big leagues from that same mold -- maybe not hall-of-famers, but guys who succeed without throwing it very hard -- who are sort of examples to model yourself after?
oh yeah, we talk about it all the time. it doesn't really matter how hard you throw. the guys who don't throw as hard have to be a lot more fine; you can't make as many mistakes, but you can still make it. a lot of these hitters would prefer a hard fastball as opposed to a slow one.
the cardinals drafted you in the 28th round. were you expecting to get drafted after that great senior season you had at corpus christi?
i really didn't know. to tell you the truth, going into my senior year, i thought that was it. i was starting to look for places to interview for jobs. the only scouts who talked to me were a guy for the astros and joe alvarez, the guy that drafted me for the cardinals. i didn't know what was gonna happen, to tell you the truth.
joe alvarez has gotten some notoriety lately because he's the guy who scouted jaime garcia, who's also from texas. did you know jaime before you guys became teammates?
no, i hadn't met him. but he's definitely a guy to watch. he's a big leaguer. if he can stay healthy, i really believe he'll be up there.
are you the first guy from texas a&m corpus christi to ever get drafted?
me and the guy that was drafted by the cardinals the round before me, a centerfielder. we were both drafted by the cardinals, and we the first two to get drafted out of corpus christi. he's at state college right now. his name is charles carter.
you grew up in astros / rangers country. did you root for those teams as a kid?
oh yeah. i'm a huge astros fan -- i probably shouldn't say that. . . . . my dad's a huge fan [of the astros], he probably doesn't miss a game the whole season. i grew up watching biggio and bagwell, all those guys.
you must have seen a few games that darryl kile threw.
oh yeah. in fact, not too long ago on espn classic i watched one of the no-hitters he threw for the astros.
you were telling me a second ago about getting ready to do job interviews. if you hadn't gotten drafted, what line of work were you interested in going into?
to tell you the truth i had no idea. i was three classes away from getting just a business bachelor's degree, and was hoping maybe to get a job to help me go through flight school. i was kind of wanting to be a pilot. but i didn't really have a clue as to what i was gonna do.
thanks a lot trey, i appreciate your taking the time; best of luck.
hey, it's an honor to have you guys be interested. i was really surprised to hear that some cardinal fans were paying attention to us down here, and i really appreciate that. i had no idea, to tell you the truth. it's neat to have people who actually care and do pay attention, because you don't see that a whole lot.
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Thanks Trey!
by PhatAlbert on Jul 11, 2006 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love the fact that
As far as the velocity goes, yes I'd like to see it up there, but he's young and will probably get stronger. Don't forget that he can break 90, but he gets hit harder. See Kyle Farnsworth. After all, how hard did Tudor throw?
Thanks for the interview LB
by stash3630 on Jul 11, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Hat
Those guys must hate having to wear that thing.
by OCCardsFan on Jul 11, 2006 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does the rest of the uniform look like?
by Schnake on Jul 11, 2006 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night
Not so intelligent was the slip-up they had about 25 minutes into the program. They showed that the equation for on base percentage was:
OBP = (Hits + Walks + HBP)/At Bats
Idiots! You have a show basically about Bill James and you screw up one of the simpler formulas in baseball statistics. (Should be Plate Appearances, not At Bats) C'mon guys, we're not asking you to recreate the myriad of equations to determine Win Shares.
All in all, not a bad show. Although I could have done without the obligatory video of the 2004 World Series.
by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true, but
by gthedamned on Jul 11, 2006 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this follow the same rule
I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly...
How hard would it be to have a fact checker look up the definition on-line?
by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI: It's on again today
I'm DVR'ing it.
by stash3630 on Jul 11, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I was wrong as well
by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill James' All-time team...
For example, according to Sabermetrics, you should NEVER sacrifice bunt. The probability that your team will score goes down drastically with each out, so it's better to just let the batter hit away than sacrifice. Also, stolen bases are not important. The probability that you will score is not worth the risk of making an out for a stolen base.
One other factoid that I found interesting was the role of the closer. According to Sabermetrics, the best time to bring in the closer is when your team is down by one run or the score is tied. This is usually in the seventh inning. The reasoning behind this is if you are up by 2 runs or more in the ninth, it is a high probability that you will win no matter who you bring in. Can you imagine Tony bringing in Izzy in the seventh inning during a tight ball game?! Or maybe Josh Kinney in the ninth with a 2-run lead.
One last thing, there are no reliable stats or metrics for defensive play. Sabermetrics is not reliable for analyzing a player's defensive skills. Bill James said that defense is the next quest for Sabermetrics.
It was an excellent show. I learned a lot about Sabermetrics that I did not know.
Here is Bill James' all-time team:
C - Yogi Berra
1B - Lou Gehrig (no other player close at his position)
2B - Joe Morgan (James said that Morgan is one of the ideal Sabermetric players)
SS - Honus Wagner (no other player close at his position)
3B - Mike Schmidt (only hit .270 but high walks and HRs, excellent defense)
LF - Ted Williams (his hitting was so good that it made up for his poor defense)
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Babe Ruth
P - Roger Clemens
by jdubya on Jul 11, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting/stealing....
Sabermetrics, as all statistics, must be handled with care....
GO CARDS!!!!
by SuperSeve on Jul 11, 2006 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting
For instance, with a man on 1st and nobody out, while the PROJECTED AVERAGE RUNS SCORED will drop with a successful sac bunt that pushes the runner to second, the chance that AT LEAST ONE RUN WILL SCORE does in fact go up.
In other words, you increase your odds of getting that one critical run (say, if the game is tied late) but you decrease your odds of having a multi-run inning.
And, of course, this is all assumes average pitcher/runners/hitters, etc., wihtout taking in to account who's on deck, who's in the bullpen, etc., so any given situtaion may have specifics that would change the odds---like, say, if it's a pitcher batting (then a bunt is usually a good play).
by salvomania on Jul 11, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes --- that's the danger
by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but I will
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 11, 2006 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by madridbend on Jul 11, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The show did say that Sabermetrics
Terry Francona said that he considers James & Sabermetrics to be very important but that he does not always agree with Sabermetrics.
by jdubya on Jul 11, 2006 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh great...
by cardsrul on Jul 11, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
- He doesn't need a reason to do that, and
- he wouldn't trust it anyway, because a computer and a guy who never played the game said it.
by Quietude on Jul 12, 2006 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I'm disappointed to hear he's going into the bullpen. He seems too successful as a starter at this early stage not to keep giving him a starter's innings.
by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he described his curveball
it may be that the scouts think batters at higher levels will be able to handle that curve, which (if true) would weaken trey's most effective weapon. just a guess as to why he's going back to the bullpen, and why he's never talked about as a top prospect.
still, results mean a lot. if he keeps getting guys out, he'll get his chance to move up a level and see how well those hitters can handle him.
by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
modest
by DJ87 on Jul 11, 2006 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In watching the AL Central carve us up
I think that's one reason why our hiiters looked so bad--they'd take a straight change right down the pipe for strike 3 just because they were folled so badly.
Our guys seem to throw within a much more narrow range. I mean, Suppan should be throwing 60 mph every now and again---the typical hitter would be so far out in front he'd never be able to get good wood on it, unless he knew it was coming; and if it was THAT slow, he'd still probably be able to only foul it off.
by salvomania on Jul 11, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when mulder was on
reyes also was changing speeds verrry effectively in his 1st few starts; not nearly as well the last 2 or 3.
by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Learned my lesson
My point here is, I think this is something of a league thing. American league pitchers traditionaly have thrown a higher percentage of off-speed pitches than national league pitchers. It is a weird by-product of the DH. I bet this correspand with how comfortable they are with those pitches.
by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changing speeds
I am convinced there is a lot to the importance of changing speeds - a hitter's balance is critical to taking a good pass at a pitch. It's especially imortant to someone like Suppan who doesn't have electric or overpowering stuff. I live in Atlanta and went to the Suppan et al debacle when we lost 14-4 (July 5th). As I was trying to figure out what was going on with Suppan the first 4 innings, I kept one eye on the pitch speed indicator at Turner Field. In the 1st and 4th, when they scored all the runs, every pitch looked the same - and the speed was 87-89 on every one. It was batting practice for the Braves - same pitch, same speed. In the 2nd and 3rd when he retired them in order he was varying speeds nicely - everwhere from 71 to 89 on the gun. The pitches didn't look same and the Braves weren't sitting on every pitch like they did in the 1st and 4th. I have no idea why he didn't vary speeds more in the off innings - the pattern was clear to me in the stands.
by wildman on Jul 11, 2006 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrific interview, lboros
Interesting that he says that Eversgerd, the QC pitching coach, isn't pushing him to change his repertoire...would it be better to start this process in A ball or wait (a la Reyes) to AAA to force him to learn to throw a heavy 2 seam fastball (as seems to be a requirement for Cardinal pitchers)?
by brdsnbt on Jul 11, 2006 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think
by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
limitations
by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2006 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great, just what we need.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 11, 2006 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Suppan
by mikedallas23 on Jul 11, 2006 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff
Anyone check the prospect hot sheet over a BA. They got Ottavino school wrong, but he made the sheet. I am thinking "Doc Ott" for his nickname.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/hotsheet/261902.html
by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2006 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too!
by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
- Jon Jay is listed in the "In The Team Picture" section.
- Given how thoroughly he washed out of the majors several years ago, I had a mental image of Tatis as a 35 year old journeyman, bouncing around the minors, unwilling to let go of the dream. He is only 31! Not that I'm willing to take a flyer on him, but interesting nonetheless.
by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
by stlnd on Jul 11, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff
Also, are we sure that Hearne is heading back to the bullpen for good? This article about McCormick's return from the DL says Hearne's bullpen appearance was a planned deal. The relevant quote was "Trey Hearne, who was originally scheduled to start the game, will take the hill after McCormick reaches his predetermined pitch limit." Could that possibly mean they just didn't want to throw off Hearne's schedule, and since they knew McCormick would only go a few innings decided to basically go with two starters? Just a thought, as I'm hoping Hearne continues to get a shot to show what he can do in the rotation.
by stlnd on Jul 11, 2006 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good interview
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/6/1/2314/93687/106#106
I'm not trying to be cocky or "hey look at me", just stating the facts.
by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry i missed that
by lboros on Jul 11, 2006 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soriano
okay if it's too steep for Yanks, what could Angels or cards offer???
by punchinjudy on Jul 11, 2006 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
prospects
the yankees could easily have soriano if theyd give up hughes.
as for the cardinals...i have no idea. it'd take reyes, probably.
by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soriano
color me as someone who would go after this guy hard. they want reyes? i'd do it right this second. i have a small crush on reyes, but we have arms. sure, maybe all of them are not "star" quality (understatement). but soriano would solve some problems for us...either at second or in left.
man, i wish this would happen. can you imagine soriano, pujols, rolen, edmonds in the heart of our order? makes me feel kind of funny....like when i used to climb the rope in gym class.
but i just don't see it. he's too expensive and we are just way, way, way too cheap. bring on luis gonzalez, i guess.
by busch league on Jul 11, 2006 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get...
by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2006 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes!
As for his home/away splits this year, he is indeed better at home. And in a cavernous place like RFK, where run scoring is at a premium, that makes his run creation there even more valuable. In other words, why isn't his performance at home a point in his favor?
I would take Soriano in a heartbeat over any season Reggie Sanders has EVER had. He's an electric player. Would I trade Reyes for him now, without any guarantee he would re-sign with us? No, but for a sign-before-trade deal, I'd go for it without hesitation.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 11, 2006 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fascination...
i'll give you over-priced though. but then, in the age of $55/5 to....excuse me....a.j. burnett, who the hell isn't over-priced??? okay, yeah...carp isn't.
and obviously, you don't give away reyes if you are only getting soriano for half of a year. you'd have to lock him in for awhile. no one would advocate giving reyes away for half a year. that's just cooky-talk.
by busch league on Jul 11, 2006 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't take Soriano
by BigdJC on Jul 11, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to ask
by lb3000 on Jul 11, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
miguel cabrera
lets get tlr some spanish classes, pronto!
by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR
by BleacherBum on Jul 11, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad...
by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Larussa is...
Can you imagine a LaRussa led team losing his players like Dusty?
by MRCARD on Jul 11, 2006 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's an interview
by cardsrul on Jul 11, 2006 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
That's why he's gone out to the mound instead of Duncan sometimes (well, not this year since there's no Hispanic pitchers on the staff).
Specifically, I'm remembering the Steve Kline flip-off game as an example of that.
by whopperman on Jul 11, 2006 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera's work ethic
And if I'm not mistaken, a few days later Cabrera got in a confrontation with his pitcher after he lollygagged after a ball that had bounced off his glove.
No question he's got great numbers, but his work ethic doesn't strike me as being, say, Pujolsian.
by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cabreras play
nice of his pitcher to try to smack him around for making a mistake in the field.
and he is 23...he can still get an attitude change...maybe playing with albert would help that out a bit?
by lopey986 on Jul 11, 2006 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it only once, but
by DCGreg on Jul 11, 2006 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too much of a prima donna?
Of course, Manny Ramirez is still Manny Ramirez, so good examples are not always enough.
by madridbend on Jul 11, 2006 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding...
by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2006 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR...
by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR's a number's guy...
Sometimes, I think of TLR as a Howard Hughes/John Nash hybrid, locking himself in a room, looking at glowing numbers on the stat page of the local newspapers, mumbling under his breath and filling in imaginary rosters over and over and over...
Just wish Jocketty would force his hand every once in awhile.
*First post, but long-time fan!
by EckEqualsClutch on Jul 11, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
by DJ87 on Jul 11, 2006 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
26 Seasons...
TLR can get you to the promised land, you just dont' get the ring.
by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Connie Mack
by cardsrul on Jul 11, 2006 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just using that to...
If you like TLR, good for you. I sincerely hope I am wrong about him.
by WiscCard on Jul 11, 2006 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot...
Some of this, of course, is TLR's fault, but I don't think he's to blame for everything. Several of our division winners here had no business in the World Series (I'm thinking 1996 and 2002 in particular), and of all his teams here, I think only 2001 and 2004 (w/a healthy Carpenter) were the only teams that could have actually won a WS.
by matt reeder on Jul 11, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
Finley(even though he did well)
Suppan(journeyman...seeing why this yearIMO)
Ponson(ick)
Tomko
Kyle(who turned it around)but still they got him from Colorado
was
fernando Valezuela(was that TLR days?)
they do goo with re treads, but youd like to see them occasionaly get them a big arm...which we could all argue about this last FA year...if they could do it all over i would have them go after beckett..
by punchinjudy on Jul 11, 2006 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not surprising
by PGeorge on Jul 11, 2006 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does VORP....
by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Among NL catchers
And that doesn't take into account defense, especially game changing plays like the two 9th inning pickoffs.
by Solanus on Jul 11, 2006 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take
by DJ87 on Jul 11, 2006 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so would I.
by matt reeder on Jul 11, 2006 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it makes up for
If he can get back to his 2004 marks, .267/.329/.356, it's a different story.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 11, 2006 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly would like
According to WPA, he's outperforming these catchers:
Toby Hall, TB-LAD (.238 BA, 8 HR, 26 RBI)
Ronny Paulino, PIT (.308/.360/.396)
Rod Barajas, TEX (.263/.300/.411)
Jason Kendall, OAK (.264 BA, 26 Runs)
and 10 others
As a team, we're not that bad. Bennett and Molina combine for -118.7; below average, but better than these teams (the totals aren't exact as this includes at bats registered as a PH or at various defensive positions):
Pittsburgh (Paulino, Cota, Paulino: -140.0)
Washington (Schneider, LeCroy, Fick, Gonzalez: -153.9)
Houston (Ausmus, Munson: -219.0)
Tampa Bay (Hall, Navarro, Paul: -241.3)
Philadelphia (Fasano, Lieberthal, Coste, Ruiz: -245.7)
Colorado (Ardoin, Ojeda, Torrealba, Closser: -259.3)
Oakland (Kendall, Melhuse: -295.6)
As a whole, the American League averages out around -20 for the position, where the National League is closer to -70.
Molina certainly needs improvement, both in overall production and consistency, but he is an above average hitter in the clutch and, I think, the best defensive catcher in the majors, hands down. That combination makes him a league average catcher, making the league minimum; an absolute steal!
by Solanus on Jul 12, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, if you look at those comparisons,
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 12, 2006 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
skewed
by DJ87 on Jul 12, 2006 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wpa has almost no predictive value.
by DanUpBaby on Jul 13, 2006 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think that
If Molina can improve his AVG, XBH, & OBP marginally while maintaining the same focus in critical situations, he can easily be a break-even contributor to the ballclub, without factoring in his defense.
by Solanus on Jul 13, 2006 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the thing is
by DanUpBaby on Jul 13, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs



















