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spirit of '67

The Dude admires how the cards have hung together during albert's injury : "Almost every member of the line-up has increased their intensity and focus, and picked up their game several levels above what they were playing before." similar thoughts expressed in bernie's column a day or three ago, including a roll call of players who have stepped it up.

with the cards preparing to face the defending world champs, these sentiments put me in mind of another champ'ship team -- one that, like the 2006 cardinals, suffered a devastating injury to its best player in the middle of a pennant race. i'm thinking of the team that gave this blog its name -- El Birdos, the 1967 cardinals. they lost bob gibson to a broken leg on july 15 and played without him until september 7 -- a 55-game stretch, one-third of the schedule. imagine this year's cardinals without carpenter for that length of time. . . . then as now, a bunch of players stepped into the breach and more than made up for the franchise player's absence. maybe not the players you would expect.

at the time gibson went down, let's recall, the cardinals had yet to establish themselves as the juggernaut we now remember; they were a young team that, after winning a kind of flukey championship in 1964, had finished 7th in the 10-team nl in 1965 and only 6th in 1966, four games over .500. in 1967 the two-time defending nl champs dodgers, stunned by sandy koufax's sudden retirement, fell out of contention early, leaving the rest of the league to battle it out; the cards, giants, cubs, reds, and braves emerged from the pile. st louis reached the end of may in 2d place and was still there at the trade deadline, ie june 15; they clawed into 1st place on june 19, 1967 -- 39 years ago yesterday -- and built the bulge out to 3.5 games by the all-star break on july 9. gibson's injury took place four games after the break.

the team was 51-34 at the time, a .600 clip; they were 4 games up on the cubs and reds, 4.5 ahead of the giants. gibson, not having his best season, was 10-6 with an uncharacteristically high 3.52 era. with his departure for the disabled list, the st louis rotation consisted of one true rookie, a 28-year-old journeyman named dick hughes; a 22-year-old left-hander in his first full major-league season, steve carlton; a 2d-year player named larry jaster; and one established veteran, ray washburn, who was kind of the jeff suppan of his day. to this mix the cardinals added 23-year-old reliever nelson briles, who had gone 4-15 as a starter the previous season. washburn's career record entering 1967 was 41-37; the other four guys in the gibsonless rotation owned a combined total of 26 major-league wins.

perhaps not surprisingly, given those modest talents, the cardinals were middle-of-the-pack in team pitching. they were allowing 4.02 runs per game through the games of july 15, tied for 5th in the league; two of the teams chasing the cardinals (cincy and sf) ranked well ahead of them in this category, and their other close pursuer (the cubs) was essentially tied. without gibson, the cards' mound disadvantage worsened immeasurably -- and so too did their chances to hang on to their rather slim lead.

but what happened then is the same thing that happened through the 1st 13 games of pujols' injury: a bunch of guys starting playing their asses off. over the next 55 games, the cards reduced their runs-allowed rate by more than a run a game -- from 4.02/game pre-injury to 2.98/game during gibson's convalescence. not surprisingly, they went 36-19 over that span, turning a very spirited four-way race into a rout. when gibson next took the mound, on september 7, the cardinals were 11.5 games out in front.

how'd that happen? the guys in the rotation all pitched well in gibson's absence, but they merely held to form; only dick hughes significantly improved his game -- he went 7-2 with a 2.30 era during the injury, vs 7-3, 3.25 before the injury. but the guys who really rose to the challenge were the relief pitchers. now, you gotta remember, in those days, teams did not regard relief pitchers the way they do today; the bullpen wasn't a vital unit with a very important role (ie, protecting leads) and a bunch of hyper-specialized roles (closer, setup man, LOOGY). in 1967, as a general rule, relievers didn't get called into a game until the starting pitcher had failed. they were mop-up men, all of them . . . . well, almost all. many teams had a "relief ace," but aside from that the bullpen of 1967 consisted of guys who weren't good enough to start; they were just below-average pitchers. check out the cardinal relievers as of july 15:

g inn w-l era
joe hoerner 30 34.2 4-2 2.86
nelson briles 35 51 4-2 3.58
ron willis 34 46.2 1-3 4.94
al jackson 20
(11 gs)
71 6-4 4.94
hal woodeshick 23 24.1 1-0 5.92

joe hoerner was the ostensible "ace" of the 'pen, with 6 saves; he took over the role from 34-year-old hal woodeshick, who in the previous two seasons had made 110 appearances out of the st louis pen and posted a 1.87 era in 130 innings. as you can see, he got off to a rather slow start in 1967; by midseason he'd become a forgotten man, making only 7 appearances (8.2 innings) in the 6 weeks leading up to gibson's injury. ron willis was a rookie who had just turned 24 years old; al jackson was a 31-year-old veteran (also left-handed!) whom the cardinals had rescued from the mets, for which team jackson lost 73 games in a four-year span (1962-65), including two 20-loss seasons ('62 and '65).

with briles' departure for the rotation, the cardinals bolstered the bullpen by acquiring jack lamabe the day after gibson's injury. this well-traveled player, 30 years old, had a 26-32 career record through 1966 and had already pitched for two teams in the first half of 1967, the white sox and mets; the cards got him from new york for a PTBNL, who turned out to be none other than al jackson . . . . the cards had the benefit of both players' services for the balance of 1967. i don't think you could get away with that today.

ok, so there's your motley crew. during the 55 games that bob gibson missed in 1967, here's what they did:

gs inn w-l era
briles 10 75 7-2 1.80
bullpen 1 143 10-5 1.70
TOTAL 11 218 17-7 1.73

and here are the relievers' individual records:

g inn w-l era
willis 23 33 4-0 0.55
hoerner 19 26 0-0 1.04
jackson 13 27 2-0 1.33
woodeshick 13 17 1-1 2.12
lamabe 18 40 3-4 3.15

i'm particularly touched by the way hal woodeshick miraculously rediscovered his form during this stretch; upon gibson's return he made one last appearance, got clocked for 4 runs in a third of an inning, and never appeared in another big-league game. it's like he spent every ounce of his reserves holding things together while gibson was out, and then keeled over and died when gibby came back. . . . well, that's the romantic way to view it.

in any case, 'twas the bullpen that came to the rescue when gibson went out. they took on larger roles, pitched way above their heads, and enabled the cards not only to hold their ground but actually to advance while their best player sat on the shelf. and then they faded into the night -- jack lamabe lasted one more season, al jackson two, ron willis three; woodeshick, you already know. only hoerner and briles had much left to offer; the rest were just the right guys in the right place at the right time.

so there you have it -- the El Birdos formula for surviving a crippling injury. and 39 years from now, the fans may marvel at how never-heard-of-ims like chris duncan and hec luna and so taguchi managed to play like champs while the great Hombre sat with an aching oblique.

all praise to retrosheet for the foregoing information.

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Hey, now I know
where the blog's name came from.

by sdrone on Jun 20, 2006 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Never knew.
I'm just a young whippersnapper.

by effin fisk on Jun 20, 2006 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember that
day when Gibby went down(it was thanks to Roberto Clemente, btw)... My father and I just looked at each other and said "damn, there goes the season." That night, when he was doing the story on his tv sports report, you could literally see the sadness in his eyes(he never hid his love for the Cards from the viewers).
But yes...the rest of the rotation did step up(whoda thunk it?), as did the rest of the team. And the rest, as they say, is history.
Good call, lb; thanks...  

by cardsrul on Jun 20, 2006 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

interesting read
thanks for the insight.  good stuff.

and as mike shannon ALWAYS says..."ol' abner doubleday has done it again."

cards rule all.

by busch league on Jun 20, 2006 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice post
I don't think I'd ever really heard the story of that season, which took place while I was way too young to follow baseball. As always, thanks for the good stuff.
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Jun 20, 2006 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i love
these little flashes back in time.They're great and give me something to read when there's no game the night before.

by sportsmanspark78 on Jun 20, 2006 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great read
just a whole bunch of details I never knew or would have known. Let's hope our 2006 ends just like the 1967 team!

by cmat on Jun 20, 2006 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

'67
was a magical year, in more ways than one. The boys were on no one's radar before the season, and after Gibby went down, there was the same sense of doom and gloom that has permeated Cardinal Nation in the last few weeks. But, they proved the critics wrong, just like I hope the current team can do.

by cardsrul on Jun 20, 2006 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nellie Briles...
...from the time Gibby was injured until the end of the 1968 regular season, he was outstanding.  He went what,  28-13?  In the '68 Series, he had a melt down and lost Game 2 and Game 5, giving up 7 runs in those two game combined.

Everytime I think of that stretch from 1967-1971, I can't help but shutter to think what the Cards could have been like if they hadn't decided to blow up the team.

If they could have agreed to terms with Carlton.  Especially '73 and '74 when the Cards finished 1.5 games behind the Mets and Pirates.  Not getting rid of Flood in '70.  A Gold Glove outfielder of only 31 years of age.

Ah well, great post lboros

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 20, 2006 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had no idea
My parents and grandparents always spoke fondly of that season.  My grandmother had tons of memorobilia from that season.

I did not know the story of the season until now (I was negative 3 at the time - my parents weren't even married).  Gives me hope.

It looks like they didn't make any moves during the season as well (Gibson's injury came after the deadline?)

That said, I'd still like to add something to this team.  I've heard the Braves as a candidate.  Steve Phillips said no way on ESPN Radio this morning.  But I take his opinion with a grain of salt.  He also said a true championship move would be to sign Mo Vaughn for the remainder of the year...

And I have to give props to Scott Rolen, and especially Juan E. as they have stepped up big (I can't believe I said that about Juan).  Nice to see the team come together.

by BozCardsFanSF on Jun 20, 2006 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vaughn?
You're kidding, right?  Can he even walk quickly, let alone run?

by sdrone on Jun 20, 2006 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mo vaughn?
isnt he pushing 50 years of age? what the heck would the cardinals do with him? he might be an average addition to an AL team for the league minimum because they can let him pinch hit or dh or something.

and it doesnt seem like the braves are willing to blow their team up. they would probably be willing to trade away Giles, but that is about it. too bad we couldnt get jeff franceour/hudson/smoltz from them.

by lopey986 on Jun 20, 2006 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vaughn?
-Where'd he play last year?
-the California Penal league.

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 20, 2006 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NICE!
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Jun 20, 2006 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of burly
1B/DH types who mashed for the Red Sox, does anyone share my feeling that Mo Vaughn's fate as a player is what awaits David Ortiz?  IOW, physical breakdown followed by rapid decline into oblivion?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 20, 2006 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably
I have the same sense that burly (meaning high BMI) types have a sharp drop off and a high likelihood of injury. Remember Bob Horner? From wikipedia:

"A free agent in 1987, Horner, unable to find a MLB club interested in his services, signed a one-year contract with the Yakult Swallows of the Japanese League. He returned to the majors in 1988 to play with the Cardinals, but after 60 games, he injured his left shoulder. After being invited to the Baltimore Orioles for spring training, Horner at 31, announced his retirement."

by madridbend on Jun 20, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Baseball Prospectus
had an article you could get to for free on that after the BoSox signed Ortiz to an extention.  They projected that his contract would be worth it, esp. given that he was well underpaid the last few years.

It was either Baseball Prospectus or Hardball Times.

by sdrone on Jun 20, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh heh heh
great movie
The St. Louis Cardinals: No Curses, No Excuses, Just Wins

by amettrick on Jun 20, 2006 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boz is mocking
Steve Phillips who ESPN thinks knows baseball when he doesn't seem to have a clue.

by Just Rope Ball on Jun 20, 2006 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve
Phillips is a complete moron.this guy single handedly ruined the Mets with horrible trade after trade.He's no Walt thats why he's on ESPN to give crappy insight to shitty trades that only a moron of his caliber could give.

by sportsmanspark78 on Jun 20, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks you for recognizing
Every time I hear Steve Phillips lauded as God's gift to baseball on ESPN, I remember that he was the guy that signed Mo Vaughn to a ridiculous contract with the Mets.

by BozCardsFanSF on Jun 20, 2006 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what's funny
is when he is doing commentary for a game on espn, the guy in the booth with him always gives him crap for that signing.
The St. Louis Cardinals: No Curses, No Excuses, Just Wins

by amettrick on Jun 20, 2006 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The funniest part about that signing
was that A-Rod WANTED to be a Met.  Had he told Mo Vaughn and Roger Cedeno to go take a hike, he could have had enough money to actually sign the then-best player in baseball

by Valatan on Jun 20, 2006 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the wonder GM Phillips
Wasn't it him who traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano.  That probably will end up Brock/Broglio-esque, except the Cubs didn't thik Brock was worth a damn and the Mets knew Kazmir was going to be great.  Either he was on crack or owed a debt to a bookie in Tampa.  

by mdarshan on Jun 20, 2006 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.
That was Jim Duquette.

by whopperman on Jun 20, 2006 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gulp
As a sign of good faith, I picked Juan up for my fantasy team last night. Wish I would've two weeks ago.

The only Cardinal I had was Chris(t) Carpenter. Not that I'm complaining, but I need more redbirds on my team as added incentive to cheer them on. Looks like I'm a big fan of instant breakfast for the next few weeks!

by effin fisk on Jun 20, 2006 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you
my friend might be crazy.To take a guy who knows only how to pop up or k is just stupid.the last couple of weeks are just a fluke.The gus as streaky as a diaherra stain.

by sportsmanspark78 on Jun 20, 2006 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in first place in my league
and he'll probably sit on the bench much of the time, replacing a spot previously held by our last underachieving right fielder, JD Drew.

Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment.  Or maybe I can catch the tail-end of his productive streak.

by effin fisk on Jun 20, 2006 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What dos Juan have to do to get a little praise...
... from you? Part the Red Sea? Walk on Water? Here is a litle stat... Juan after Pujols went down. The biggest fear of Every Cardinals fan is Pujols on the DL. Here's what Juan has done sense then...

.416 BA  3 HR  15 RBIs

I dunno about you... but I was at the game Sunday and I gave the man a standing applause.

by BigMac545 on Jun 20, 2006 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know
maybe jump off a bridge or something as easy as swinging at every pitch or popping up.You ever notice the dude can't run he takes five steps in the batters box before he even runs its funny.He could hit .500  but the damage is done.The guys a rich mans reggie atleast you knew what you're  getting with reggie.Unless he stops popping up and can run better i'll not be a fan.

by sportsmanspark78 on Jun 20, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate him but why
would I praise a guy for a couple of good weeks?

by sdrone on Jun 20, 2006 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because
these weeks have meant more than any other part of the season. When it was necessary for someone to step up, Juan did. Yeah his season stats are horrible, but for god's sakes, he's hitting when it's almost absolutely necessary. I know it sucked when Albert was carrying the team, but a lot of players were slacking. All of them have been tried and are coming up big with Pujols gone. I think the injury might be the one thing that wakes up this team, and we'll be talking about how great it was for this team to not have to rely on Pujols like the '67 team did when Gibson went down. I guess Lboros post shows that those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it (the whining about a star getting injured, not the winning the WS part, because then it wouldn't be doomed)
Never since the days of shoeless Joe Jackson have I ever seen such a great shoeless athlete...

by robdouth on Jun 20, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that makes
me most nervous about all this is the (increasingly likely) possibility that Juan will end the season with numbers superior to Edmonds.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 20, 2006 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why does that make you nervous?
Ideally neither would come back, but at least if Juan has good numbers and contributes, it isn't likely he'll be a total dud for the rest of his contract. The plus side to Edmonds futility is that he will either be cheaper to resign or it will be much more easy emotionally to let go at a ridiculous asking price.
Never since the days of shoeless Joe Jackson have I ever seen such a great shoeless athlete...

by robdouth on Jun 20, 2006 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not thinking
about next year, I'm nervous for THIS season, i.e., one in which Edmonds is hitting like a very ordinary player, and in which it looks more and more like he is not going to "break out" and be the old Jimmy Ballgame again.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 20, 2006 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice history
thanks for the well-told story and memories.

by thatsawinner on Jun 20, 2006 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Greatest Games of Busch Stadium DVD
For no reason at all, my dad bought me this DVD with Game 1 of the 1968 World Series on it and one of the cutaway shots to the fans shows a "Viva El Birdos" banner.

A couple of weeks ago, I was trying to explain to my girlfriend 1) Why I was watching a baseball game from 1968 2) Why I love this blog (analyticial, well thought out discussions) 3) Where the name of the blog came from 4) Why she should continue dating someone who does these things.

I thoroughly enjoyed the post.

by bgh on Jun 20, 2006 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We should start a support group
I've struggled through what i refer to as the "Fever Pitch" syndrome with several girlfriends. I'm no Jimmy Fallon (or Sox fan, for that matter), and still haven't mastered the art of integrating ladies and birdos.

Me: Hello. My name is Effin, and I'm a Cards-a-holic.

Random Red-clad crowd: Hi Evan.

by effin fisk on Jun 20, 2006 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got my wife pregnant.
Four years of work later, you have a pint-sized raging Cardinals fan.  

When your wife complains about going to the ball park, you can say, "But honey, Junior has been looking forward to this game for weeks."  

High-fives....

by Schnake on Jun 20, 2006 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank god you aren't Jimmy Fallon
because that would be your first problem with the ladies. He's gay, so that messes up the relationship right from the start. Plus he laughs the hardest at his own jokes, which by definition, shouldn't make you a comic.
Never since the days of shoeless Joe Jackson have I ever seen such a great shoeless athlete...

by robdouth on Jun 20, 2006 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks LB
The '67 El Birdos were the first team I recall following and actually understanding what was going on (I was seven). Gibby going down brought a cloud of depression to my house, but when they won it all it was like Christmas, New Years, and every other holiday rolled into one. Though I was born into being a Birdfan, that year sealed my lifelong obsession--it's also another reason I always stick up for Mike Shannon (his 2 run blast off Gary Bell sealed the Game 3 victory). When any Red Sox fans give me a hard time about '04, I always come back with, "Yeah, it took your guys 37 years to pay us back for 1967. Why so long?" Most don't even recall it, but it makes me feel a bit better to say it. It would be a long haul until they did it again in '82, but that was a magical year that could happen again.  

by rockin redbird on Jun 20, 2006 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's good to have hope
It's even better to have hope AND Albert!

A great post LB- I enjoy this blog wayyy tooo much.

El Hombre for El Presidente!

by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 20, 2006 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ponson
This may have been discussed in the last few days... ive been out of the loop... but if the Cardinals are not going to be using Ponson as a Starter why dont they just release him... or trade him for a player to be named later... or some cash or something. Who do you take out of the bullpen to make room for Ponson? Hancock? Thompson? They he is the real only option. Hancock is the long man so he makes a little more sense to me. I like the move of putting Reyes into the rotation... I just dont understand why you throw Ponson in the pen. I think it was miss played. Why not trade Ponson before you demote him (as not to decrease value) for some minor league nobody?

by BigMac545 on Jun 20, 2006 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what to do with ponson
i dont think he will be in the pen long.  it was said to be a temporary move at the time.  i think the message is 'get your ass in shape or you are gone.'  he will get a short amount of time to fully adopt the larussa/duncan ideology or he will be DFA.  the rumor is that while he is staying off the booze he isnt taking his conditioning seriously and its bothering the other pitchers and mgmt.

you arent going to get anything out of him in a trade.  he doesnt seem like a good use of a bullpen spot either.  he is either in the rotation or gone completely.  the cards are putting him in the pen to send a message and/or give themselves a little time to make up their minds.

by dmb60614 on Jun 20, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.......
perhaps a demotion will motivate Ponson to get back to the shape he was in back in March.  We may still need him----injury, Reyes flops (I don't see this happening), continued Mulder bashings, trade offer for a starter we can't refuse, etc......

by stanchar on Jun 20, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd say the most likely bump in the road
is a Reyes injury. Given his history.

by bgh on Jun 20, 2006 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I that a 143-inning
mop-up job shown there in Briles' post-Gibson-injury start? Or am I just reading the chart wrong?

by salvomania on Jun 20, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DOH!!
I need to learn how to read and eat lunch at the same time....

by salvomania on Jun 20, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally off subject but.....
check this article out. Jay Mariotti wrote it. Things are going from bad to worse in Chi-town.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay20.html

The second section speaks of the Cardinals ability to win without Pujols.

"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Jun 20, 2006 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The last line is
PRICELESS!!
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Jun 20, 2006 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox fans
Being in Chicago, JAY MARIOTTI is a known Sox fan.  Its funny because one of the wirters (name escapes me currently) for the trib is a admitted Cards fan.  Very few people in the newspaper business seam to be cubbies.

by BigJawnMize on Jun 20, 2006 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?
I've never picked that up. Lemme know if you remember the name.

by sdrone on Jun 20, 2006 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simply put,
Mariotti is a moron.

by cardsrul on Jun 20, 2006 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen...
but through watching around the horn, and Cold Pizza, I think Woody Paige is the bigger moron, and I always found myself in the Skip Bailas camp rather than the Woody Paige camp. My biggest divide was any arguments they had about the HOF. I tend to get in fights with people because I'm of the school that the HOF is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of very good or above average players.
Never since the days of shoeless Joe Jackson have I ever seen such a great shoeless athlete...

by robdouth on Jun 20, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't hardly watch
those shows anymore. I get so tired of hearing about the Yankees and Red Sox I could puke. Not to mention Woody Paige he sends my gag reflex into overdrive.
"Forget about the curveball Ricky...Give him the heater!!"

by BleacherBum on Jun 20, 2006 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now
woody paige is the REAL moron. he makes everyone on around the horn seem stupid. he thinks every argument costs him his life if he loses.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 20, 2006 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

His use of props and visual aides
makes it seem like he's talking down to the ESPN viewer and treating everyone like children. He's got a chip on his shoulder that is irritating because beyond researching stats and having them in front of him to recite, he doesn't know his ass from his hat in terms of analysis. He's just another stat-jockey who wears his heart on his sleeve.
Never since the days of shoeless Joe Jackson have I ever seen such a great shoeless athlete...

by robdouth on Jun 20, 2006 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gibson's grit
Thanks LB for a great memory revisited.  That was a year that I won't forget.  If the team needed any inspiration to rise above loss, it came from Gibby himself.  Everyone knows what an intense competitor he was, but it isn't often mentioned that he got back up on his broken leg and threw one or two more pitches before he went down again.  If that doesn't bring out the best in a teammate, then a "best" isn't there.

by oldbirdwatcher on Jun 20, 2006 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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