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shuffling the starters

thanks to two well-placed (and -timed) open dates, the cardinals won't need a fifth starter again until may 20 against the royals, nearly two full weeks from now; they can rotate the other four guys in the interim, with ev'yone pitching on full rest. like this:

8 v colo
marquis
9 v colo
carp
10 v colo
supp
11 open 12 v ari
mulder
13 v ari
marquis
14 v ari
carp
15 open 16 v nym
supp
17 v nym
mulder
18 v nym
marquis
19 at kc
carp
20 at kc
ponson
21 at kc
supp

i'd go ahead and give ponson the time off, no matter what the docs say about his elbow. of course, this might otherwise have been an opportune time to let mulder skip a couple of starts and rest his back. so happens his next turn falls on the same day anthony reyes is due to pitch. if they'd call anthony up and let him take that turn for st louis instead of memphis, they could get both mulder and ponson some extra rest. voila:

8 v colo
marquis
9 v colo
carp
10 v colo
supp
11 open 12 v ari
reyes
13 v ari
marquis
14 v ari
carp
15 open 16 v nym
supp
17 v nym
ponson
18 v nym
marquis
19 at kc
carp
20 at kc
mulder
21 at kc
supp

ponson would get 10 days off between starts; mulder (the more important pitcher) would get 14; and reyes could get another taste of the bigs -- pitching at home, against a team that's not well equipped to exploit reyes' hr vulnerability (arizona ranks 10th in the league in homers). it's just an option; i doubt the cardinals will take it. and maybe it isn't necessary; maybe mulder's back is coming along. i just figure, why push it when you don't have to? it's not as if you'd be sending travis smith out there as your fill-in starter . . .

reyes pitched well again at memphis yesterday: 6 innings, 5 hits, 2 runs, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts. the second time through the order, he fanned 5 guys in a row -- the 1 through 5 hitters in iowa's lineup. threw 102 pitches on the day, two-thirds uv'm for strikes; got 10 swing-misses. also yielded a solo homer, his 5th gopher ball in 37.1 innings, which extrapolates to 25 hr over 30 starts; not a great total for triple a. but to be fair, let's add that 3 of the 5 homers were solo shots, and the other two came with just 1 man on. fergie jenkins used to give up a lot of solo homers too -- led the league in hr allowed 7 times, and has the 2d highest hr-allowed total of all time -- but he also won 284 games, got a cy young award (and finished top-3 five times), and made the hall of fame. jenkins gave up all those homers because a) he pitched in wrigley for a long time, but more important b) he was willing to challenge hitters when they couldn't inflict that much damage. curt schilling's the same way; he has yielded just shy of 1.00 hr per 9 innings over the course of his career, yet is on the cusp of 200 wins. in 2001, the year schilling sealed his status as a "money pitcher," he gave up a league-leading 37 homers -- but also went 22-6 with a 2.98 era and earned his highest finish (2d) in the cy young polling.

pitchers who throw strikes and know when it's safe to challenge hitters can give up a lot of dingers without getting burned in the loss column. maybe reyes makes a similar calculation -- or can be (ahem) coached to . . . . .

but rather than take this opportunity to bitch about tony/dunc's fumble-fingers with young starting pitchers, let's instead praise them for something they've done exceptionally well the last few seasons: run a bullpen. in each of the last two seasons the cardinals led the league in bullpen era, and they're well on their way to doing it again in 2006 -- currently half a run better than any other relief corps in the nl. yet the current bullpen has just one holdover from 2004 -- isringhausen. they've been getting great mileage out of castoffs (al reyes, flores, eldred, hancock) and rookies (thompson, wainwright). just look at who sopped up the 6 innings yesterday after ponson's departure -- three reclamations (falkenborg hancock and flores) and a 2d-year player. we may mock la duncan's bloated 7-man bullpen and "parade of 1,000 relievers" approach, and we may often disagree vehemently (and at times justifiably) with particular in-game decisions. but on the whole these guys really know what they're doing. how many managers with postseason aspirations would have sent jeff nelson packing in favor of josh hancock and brian falkenborg? tony and dave did it, and so far their judgment is vindicated.

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Bullpen use...
If there was a good time for a starter to come up aching, it was yesterday when we had a five run lead over a Quad A team.  It gave Tony and Duncan an opportunity to give Falkenborg some work in non crucial situation, which is key to building confidence.  

by Brock20 on May 8, 2006 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine how other fans'
stomachs must churn when they go to the pen.  Last year, stats told me our pen was great but MAN I was rarely comfortable.

by sdrone on May 8, 2006 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well I know that our stats are good
and we really do have an amazingly stable bullpen despite turnover...

but Izzy sure likes to take everyone for a ride in that ninth.  Saves or blown saves its always interesting.  Still love watching that curveball though.

by azruavatar on May 8, 2006 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees
I can hear my g/f yelling 'STURTZE' as we speak.

by SirVLCIV on May 8, 2006 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was kind of glad.....
Yesterday when I saw Sir Sid go out on just precautionary terms. Mainly for the fact that I was hoping that Adam might get a chance to step up and take a start. I would love to see how he could handle himself in a starting role, maybe get a sneek preview of what we will be getting next year or this year if we pull off a trade. But you are probably right it would make more sense to bring up Reyes on a scheduled start date. I do believe though that Adam might be the better fit in the rotation right now though.

by RB on May 8, 2006 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but...
Lets hope Sid gets better soon he is having a good start to this season and I find myself rooting for him a little more than I normally would another starter. Maybe just because it would be a feel good story for a guy to come here and turn his life around.

by RB on May 8, 2006 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He may be the cheapest of the starting 4
to resign too.

And quite honestly I get the same feeling from him I do from Supp.  Nothing dominating but expect some quality starts with an ERA in the high 3 low 4 range w/ 200 innings-ish

He seems to have turned things around from his former judge punching days.  Plus he has better stuff than Supp and isn't a head case like Marquis.  I don't know that I think he's as good as Mulder but I certainly think he is on par with Supp and above Marquis.

by azruavatar on May 8, 2006 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young talent
I'm getting tired of our use of young talent. If we aren't going to use Adam as a starter, and we aren't going to call up Reyes, and we're going to let Gall sit on the bench.... MAKE SOME TRADES. The value of Wainwright and Reyes can only go -down- if we don't prove they are major league ready.

That's what makes the As make other teams look so bad in trades.

by SirVLCIV on May 8, 2006 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree
So Taguchi vs. J-Rod and Gall seems to be a classic example.

btw why isn't Tony seeing if J-Rod can hit lefties?  he's been platooning him but it seems like he may not even need a platoon although its hard to tell w/ just 27 ABs against lefties...

sigh...

by azruavatar on May 8, 2006 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a problem with it
There are plenty of examples through the years of developing young pitchers through the role of middle relief before throwing them into the starting rotation. It's a good way to wean them along to the more prominent role they will have down the road. My only question is why not include Reyes in the middle relief mix as well so he can work with Dunc on an everyday basis. I realize Reyes can get more innings as a starter down in Memphis, but I'd like to see them bring him along in the same way they are Wainwright.
Baily

by Baily on May 8, 2006 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking Bullpen for granted
We deffinetly take the BullPen for granted. Tony and Dunc have proved to be the master of the Bullpen. Look at our 2 bullpen signings too. They were pretty useless truthfully. But somehow that can turn Garbage into gold.

I never understood why don't they sign these guys to longer than 1 year deals. Let the bullpen guys put up monster numbers than trade them. Then just get some new guys to do it all over again.

I also would like to see Reyes and Wainwright get a start in this stretch. I would really really really like to see them get a start.

by DimitroffVodka on May 8, 2006 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Buster Olney
Buster answered one of my questions today during his wrap chat on ESPN.com. Here is my question and what he had to say...

Me: Hey Buster! Give me your impressions of the Cardinals so far. Do they need to make a trade for a LF bat to contend for the World Series title this year?

Buster Olney: They need another hitter, I think; sort of depends on the makeup of the rest of the team in a couple of months -- who's healthy, who's not healthy, etc. At some point, some noncontenders will begin shopping their players, but so far, that hasn't happened. Wonder if Torii Hunter would make some sense for the Cardinals, because of his defense (I know, the CF situation would have to be sorted out), or maybe Aubrey Huff. That's just speculation on my part.

by BigMac545 on May 8, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Aubrey
I would love to see Aubrey Huff in a Cardinals uniform by the end of the season.  I could see him putting up 2005 Jason Bay-type numbers hitting around Pujols, Rolen, and Edmonds.

by elderj on May 8, 2006 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know if it's feasible
but Torii Hunter seems like a nice fit to me. I mentioned this a few days ago here.

One of the reasons I like this idea is for an obvious reason; Hunter could take over CF when Edmonds retires. So it wouldn't just be a trade to solve a current problem, but it also would secure an important position for the future.

If were looking to fill current holes, however, I'd look for pitching first. I'm not comfortable going into the postseason with Mulder and whomever ends up as the third starter. If Wainwright and/or Reyes were being prepared for the postseason rotation, then I'd feel better, but they don't seem to be.

by rob is back on May 8, 2006 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Before falling in love
with this idea, compare Hunter and our own JuanE.  Here are their seasonal averages per 162 games played:

Encarnacion
AB    606
R    80
H    162
2B    31
3B    6
HR    20
RBI    85
BB    37
SO    114
SB    18
CS    8
AVG    0.266
OBP    0.315
SLG    0.438
OPS    0.753

Hunter   
AB    583
R    86
H    155
2B    33
3B    4
HR    24
RBI    89
BB    41
SO    116
SB    16
CS    8
AVG    0.266
OBP    0.320
SLG    0.459
OPS    0.779

Looks like the same offensive player to me!  True, you get a little more power and a tiny bump in OBP with Hunter, plus superior defense.  But ... it's pretty scary how much these guys mirror each other.  And I wonder, considering how many games Juan played in Miami, if most of his power deficit could be attributed to ProPlayer Stadium?

by MdRedbirdFreak on May 8, 2006 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point
I'm mostly thinking of his defensive capabilities though and how they'd ease the loss of Edmonds when he retires. As for offense, those numbers aren't that bad, are they?

I guess that Aubrey Huff would be a better bat, but where would he play? I'm not familiar enough with him to know, but I certainly like his numbers.

by rob is back on May 8, 2006 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like that Hunter-quality glove
in CF, that's for sure.  The more I think about it, the more I think resolving the Edmonds contract thing is crucial to the future of our lineup.

by MdRedbirdFreak on May 8, 2006 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Hunter would have made it home
on that Scott Spiezio double on sunday.  Man, that play made me mad.  I think Yadier Molina could have made it home on that play.  Nothing makes me angrier than a major leaguer that dogs it.  There is no room on our club for that.

Still, I'm happy with his newfound discipline at the plate.  

There, I said something positive about Juan.

I have an El Hombre ManCrush

by Schnake on May 8, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought
that play was ruled a ground rule double because of the little kid touching the ball?  Or was that a different play?

by SleepyCA on May 8, 2006 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure that was changed later
If he would have tried to make it home, there would have been an exchange between manager and umpire, but Juan's laziness saved TLR the trip out of the dugout.  
I have an El Hombre ManCrush

by Schnake on May 8, 2006 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lazy Bones
I didn't see the play in question. But there is no question that JuanE has raised far too many questions about his effort on the basepaths and chasing balls in the outfield. I've never seen anything that exudes extra-effort. That bugs me to no end. But I must be seeing things as I have yet to hear about anyone within the Cardinals get on him about hustling. Not that anyone would sell JuanE down the river publicly like that. I guess they're all trying to help make JuanE look like a good investment. Personally, I think J-Rod should play in place of JuanE vs. right-handed pitching and now that Bigbie is up, have him platoon with Taguchi in LF. Although it sure would be nice if we could have an everyday talent in the OF corners.  
Baily

by Baily on May 8, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's talking about
the 2nd inning. Spiezio doubled to left and Juan had to stop at 3rd. It did almost look like he slowed between 2nd and 3rd and he was looking toward left field. The announcers thought he might not have been sure where the ball was. By the time he reached 3rd Oquendo was holding him up.
Here comes "that man" again...

by iron duke75 on May 8, 2006 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, speezy had a good game
I didn't realize he had two doubles- both with enc on first base.  Lol.  The one I was thinking about was in the 4th inning.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260507128

by SleepyCA on May 8, 2006 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My worry with Edmonds
is that he's 35 and his numbers are beginning to drop off. It may be only temporary, but he also seems to ache a lot more nowadays. I hope that I'm wrong and that he's only having one of his cold spells, because I'd much prefer a healthy Edmonds over Hunter, although Hunter would be a better choice for the future with his advantage in age.

by rob is back on May 8, 2006 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as any fantasy baseball gm can tell you...
Aubrey Huff can play pretty much anywhere (or at least he's eligible at 3 or 4 positions, depending on the league).  He's naturally a 3B, but I'm almost definate he can play the outfield well.

by pcgd on May 8, 2006 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I guess you can tell that I don't play fantasy baseball then. Seems like a nice catch then!

Just for the heck of it, someone mentioned Carlos Lee on Bernies Pressbox. Is this even a possibility? I know he's a FA after this season, but I really don't know enough to know if it's feasible.

by rob is back on May 8, 2006 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee
There is no way Walt would trade for Lee. We would have to give up a Chirs Lambert or something to that effect and there is no way we would trade good potential like that inside the division.

by BigMac545 on May 8, 2006 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love the Idea
of bringing up Reyes for that start. As usual lboros, you are on the mark.  That is a perfect rotation for the next two weeks.

by patton044 on May 8, 2006 7:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bam
oh noz, the deals coming closer!

by 60grand on May 15, 2006 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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