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Game 32 Open Thread: May 7, 2006


ponson               olsen
3-0, 3.10            1-1, 3.15

another quickie post today, i'm traveling:

much was made of the fact last year that scott rolen's absence from the lineup didn't seem to matter; he missed almost the whole year (and couldn't hit when he did play) and the cardinals still won 100 games. it's shaping up differently so far this season: when rolen's in the lineup, the cardinals are 14-7 and average 5.1 runs a game; when he's not, they're 5-5 and average 4.1 runs.

i know; it's very early. but this year ain't last year. last year when rolen went down, they had sanders and (at times) walker to pick up the slack in the heart of the order; when sanders went down, rodriguez stepped in and hit like him for a month, and when he tailed off, walker returned. this year the auxiliary bats are missing. so let's be thankful that rolen's shoulder is sound; maybe he'll play 140 games this year. now if albert's back will just cooperate . . . .

glad i missed the looper/is'hausen nonsense, but at least izzy held `em back. i'd sure as hell rather have him than lidge right about now. did y'all notice lidge's performance in colorado friday, the night after he barely hung on against the cardinals for the 2d straight night? came in to protect a 4-3 lead, gave up a walk and a hit, got hurt by an error that let the tying run score, and ultimately had to be relieved. that tells you something: garner took him out in a tie game with the winning run on 3d. dan wheeler came in walked the guy home.

the marlins' starting pitcher today, rookie scott olsen, has yielded 15 walks and 15 hits in 20 innings pitched. how the hell does he have a 3.15 era??

minor-league news: reyes back on the mound this afternoon for memphis, taking his regular turn . . . . . bigbie has resumed his rehab, such as it is; he is 0 for 5 with 3 walks the last couple of games and now hitting .143 (5 for 35) with 0 extra-base hits overall . . . . mark worrell picked up his 7th save in 8 tries; now has 5 w / 17 ks in 13.2 inn; has allowed 2.63 runs and 6.6 hits per 9. september's still a long way off, but for the moment it looks like a very good bet we'll be seeing this guy when the rosters expand.

under-the-radar non-prospect of the week: josh kinney. this guy signed as an undrafted free agent in 2001 and has clawed his way up the ladder, posting some impressive numbers along the way. in 2003 he recorded a 1.52 era in high-a ball, then got promoted to double a and had a 0.68 era in 40 innings, with 48 strikeouts and only 19 hits allowed. he stayed at double a in 2004 and got murdered; couldn't find the plate and got tagged for a 5.50 era. but last year he corrected the problem and was unhittable again: 42 innings, 28 hits, 1.29 era. he moved up to triple-a midseason, and the control problems resurfaced; he gave up 19 walks in 26 innings and his era ballooned to 7.36. but so far this season he is back in form: in 11 appearances / 16 innings he has put up a 1.69 era, with 4 walks and 10 strikeouts. the only other thing i know about him is that scouts completely discount him; he's not on anybody's list of the cards' top organizational prospects -- not even the 40-deep list compiled by scout.com's crew at the birdhouse. if anyone can explain why (danup?), i'd be curious. not that i believe kinney has any meaningful career ahead of him; i'm just curious about his story, that's all. he's on the cusp of the big leagues and getting guys out.

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According to reports
Lidge was shocked to be pulled from that game. I wonder how that will affect his confidence.

You think he'll return to his previous form, or has he come back to earth to stay?

Here comes "that man" again...

by iron duke75 on May 7, 2006 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe...
... that no one throws like that forever, Gagne the last one to demonstate. Either it coming from his arm or fro his head, he'd better fix it before blowing completely.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on May 7, 2006 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Olsen
the marlins' starting pitcher today, rookie scott olsen, has yielded 15 walks and 15 hits in 20 innings pitched. how the hell does he have a 3.15 era??

Well, a slugging against (.324) lower than his OBP against (.369) doesn't hurt.  But the answer is primarily luck.  Baseball Prospectus puts his ERA based on his peripherals at 4.27.

by holden on May 7, 2006 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey Lboros
I know your busy but you need to update the STL in a perfect world feature.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 7, 2006 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Lidge...
is still rattled from El Hombre's homer in Game 5, I don't care what anyone else says.  He's had, to borrow a line from Bill Simmons, the "Calvin Schiraldi Face" going ever since.

I'm not sure he'll ever be "Lights Out" Lidge again.  I don't know that he's going to turn into Mark Wohlers, but it wouldn't surprise me.

by Quietude on May 7, 2006 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

A lot like K-Rod ...
... that's how I equate Lidge. Both fall in love with their awesome breaking pitches, putting their fastball by the wayside. When either has problems locating the fastball, the inevitable variability of a breaking pitch rears its ugly head. When it hangs, they bang and when they watch, they walk. It might be that Lidge got by on pure stuff before and never complemented it with pitching acumen. The relentless interviews during the NLCS with the Astros pitching coach gave me the impression he was a decently smart guy, but maybe the veterans just made him look that way.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." - Jim Bouton

by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on May 7, 2006 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

LINEUPS
    D. Eckstein, SS    
  1.     H. Luna, LF    
  2.     A. Pujols, 1B    
  3.     J. Encarnacion, RF    
  4.     S. Spiezio, 3B    
  5.     S. Taguchi, CF    
  6.     Y. Molina, C    
  7.     A. Miles, 2B    
  8.     S. Ponson, P
LOOKS LIKE I'LL HAVE TO WAIT 24 FOR MY JOHNNY BASEBALL FIX.
I have an El Hombre ManCrush

by Schnake on May 7, 2006 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Kinney
is the classic "doesn't have the stuff to get big league hitters out" type, so I imagine they didn't expect him to get all the way to AAA, where it would appear he might have said stuff. He also started so late that none of his years really jumped out at people in context with his age, until now.

by DanUpBaby on May 7, 2006 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh no!
"Right elbow discomfort" takes Ponson out in the 4th! That's not how I wanted Adam in the rotation!

by roebirds on May 7, 2006 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Ponson pulled
in the 4th with right-elbow discomfort...
Here comes "that man" again...

by iron duke75 on May 7, 2006 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

ponson
watching the game on gameday...why is gall pinch-hitting for ponson?  is big sid hurt?  any update would be much appreciated, thanks.

by duckymedwick7 on May 7, 2006 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

ponson
wow, got the answer before i asked the question, thanks...lol

by duckymedwick7 on May 7, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponson
Guys, if the hometown announcers give a Ponson update, the out-of-towners among would be most grateful if you could give the rest of us the scoop.
DCGreg

by DCGreg on May 7, 2006 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

albert...
...makes everything better...big smile

by duckymedwick7 on May 7, 2006 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Encarnacion
Since his really horrible start Juan has gotten it going a little bit... I know he is still only hitting .230 but at least he is showing signs of life...

by BigMac545 on May 7, 2006 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Enc
has started to pick it up a bit...nice to see.

by cardsrul on May 7, 2006 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Where was
all this offense in Houston?

by cardsrul on May 7, 2006 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

No Kidding
Why can't we do this against our division rivals?

by calico30 on May 7, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahem
well, not to take anything away, but this IS the fish.  I mean, w/ a tea, full of rookies, I'd hope the cards' experience would be a little intimidating...

by birdie on May 7, 2006 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

but then again,
they DID beat up on the D-Train yesterday, too.

by Valatan on May 7, 2006 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its an interesting idea
who is scarier early in the season: Oswalt or Willis?  Pick yer poison, I guess

by birdie on May 7, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Oswalt
He is scary at any point during the season.  If I saw Roy walking down the street in December, I'd probably shriek like a girl and strike out.
I have an El Hombre ManCrush

by Schnake on May 7, 2006 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else
(anyone else) having trouble (having trouble) with the (with the) FSN Florida (FSN Florida) feed today (feed today)?
Here comes "that man" again...

by iron duke75 on May 7, 2006 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I did
For about an inning (I think) and then it cleared up.

by Big Red on May 7, 2006 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope
I can see those cheerleaders jus' fine, thanks.  When did teams start getting cheerleaders?

by birdie on May 7, 2006 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

They do look fetching, don't they?
I've never heard of baseball cheerleaders before this season. I knew the Reds had a cheer squad, but I didn't know the Marlins did. I'm a little more impressed with Florida's version. ;)
Here comes "that man" again...

by iron duke75 on May 7, 2006 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So!
I've never, ever seen Tag goof like that.  

by birdie on May 7, 2006 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

yea SoTag
...all is forgiven in the face of the florida sun

by birdie on May 7, 2006 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

good to see
Flores finishing it out: no hoops, no jumps, no errors...

by birdie on May 7, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe we should start using
Isringhausen and Looper in the 7th inning to give El Hombre plenty of time to bail them out.
I have an El Hombre ManCrush

by Schnake on May 7, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Colorado beating Houston in the eigth
We could be back in first place if Arizona beats Cincy tonight.

by rob is back on May 7, 2006 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

That Colorado team is hot right now.
This coming series will be a good test for the Redbirds.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on May 7, 2006 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

watched cin vs ari
Cincinatti won, but it was like watching a little-league baseball game...  arizona's manager got lazy and had his batter swing away with the bases loaded, one out, down by a run, and (of course) he hit into a double play to end the game.

by SleepyCA on May 7, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad to hear that
Seeing that we're facing Arizona later this week and they took two of three from Cincy.

The West beat up on the Central this week. Arizona and Colorado took two of three from Cincinnati and Houston and the Dodgers and Padres swept the Brewers and Cubs. Hopefully we can straighten the ship this week.

by rob is back on May 7, 2006 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponson
elbow discomfort? Leaving that early? Fingers crossed he doesn't need TJ. Though if he did, i think we have the depth to cover with Reyes and Wainwright. one

by erik on May 7, 2006 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

sweep
There were about seven or eight cheap hits against the Marlins that we could have used in the Cincy and Houston 4 game skid.

by AL on May 7, 2006 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

That's the game
some days they fall, some times they don't.  Credit the Astros' infield defense in that series.  Adam Everett almost makes up for his horrid bat with that glove.

by Valatan on May 7, 2006 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's something about the Astros at home
Nothing ever seems to fall for us there. It's like they play each game against us as if it were the seventh game of the World Series.

by rob is back on May 7, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn...
Cincy just won 9-8...lotta good pitching in that one. That leaves the Cards 1 game out and the 'stos 1/2 game out. Oh well, 8 out of 9 games went the Cards way this weekend.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 7, 2006 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually.....
....Houston is a 1.5 out.  A week of our complaining (rightfully so) about Larussa's moves Monday through Thursday, the Cards are only 1 game behind where they were last week at the on-set of a 9 game homestand.

The sky may not be falling.

by Hardcore Legend on May 7, 2006 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

OHhhh
my bad.........forgot they lost today

by stlcardinalsfang on May 7, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

re: Ponson/Reyes Wainright
Interesting Dunc perspective on the official website on having either of the young guns fill in for Ponson if he's only going to miss a couple of starts.  Also relevant re: our discussion last week about Wainright in the rotation:

 "When a guy is in a routine, especially a young guy who's trying to get established, I hate to do anything to change that," Duncan said of Wainwright. "We'll probably go with four pitchers, if we can."

by sdesserman on May 8, 2006 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

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