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Changing my tune re: Cubs fans

I saw Brock20's post about his trip to Wrigley this year and it prompted me to write about my experience this year, albeit decidedly late.

I went to Opening Day at Wrigley and game 2.  I was on a business trip to Boston and Chicago and made sure it would coincide with Cubs/Cards.  This was also my first trip to Wrigley and I went to the games by myself.

I wore my Pujols jersey to both games and did not know what to expect.  I've attended games at Yankee Stadium and Dodgers/Giants games at both Candlestick and Pac Bell that were full of vitriol and fistfights.

For Game 1, I actually shared a cab with a Cubs fan from our hotel downtown and then had a few beers with several of his Cub fan friends at the Cubbie Bear (what a great bar).  Had tickets on the third base side toward the outfield wall.  Bought an Old Style when I walked in the door.  Froze my tail off - 37 degrees at game time with a 25 mph wind.  I wore only longjohns, a T-shirt, a Pujols jersey, jeans and a hat.  A Northern California guy like me is not ready for that weather (it's been 25 years since I lived in the cold of Granite City)

  I  sat between 4 young Cub fans from Moline and two middle aged guys from Kankakee (Gino and Johnny).  I told them it was my first trip to Wrigley and they both said since I was a guest in their park, the beers were on them.  They literally would not let me buy a beer all game long.  I went to John Barleycorn after the game with the young guys and had a great time.  Met a few jerk fans, but people inside the bar were just having fun, no fights or anything.

For Game 2 I sat in the right center field bleachers.  Got there 2 hours before game time and was confornted by a completed sauced Cubs fan who wanted to show me her Cubs tattoo on her bikini line.  The crowd would cheer any time the sun shone through the fog.  

Got to witness a guy carry his girlfriend up the bleacher stairs like a fireman after she vomited and passed out - 30 minutes BEFORE THE GAME!  The vomiting happened 3 more times around me - you could tell when it was happening by the loud unified cry and everyone backing away furiously.

Loved the banter between left field and right field.  The people were getting on Edmonds ("Edmonds - how's your wife and my kids?").  Or "Edmonds takes it in the Pujols".  Good natured if crass, and a few comments went over the line, but the crowd was also getting on Jacque Jones.

Cubs fans around me sung the same tune as Friday - you're a guest and we won't let you buy beers.  Had 7 beers bought for me over the 2 games.  Went with a group to the Hi-Top bar after the game before I had to head out to O'Hare to fly back to San Francisco.

I came away with a much different impression of Cubs fans - they are a great group, with only a couple bad apples lurking in Wrigley.  The biggest grup of bad apples were the two rows of Cardinal fans in center field under the scoreboard that spent the last two innings taunting everyone and getting in fights.  I don't know if that kind of hospitality for a fan of the rival team would happen in Boston, New York, LA or San Francisco.  I don't expect it would.

Kudos to the Cubs fans I met.  I had a great time and you are a great group.

I still want the Cardinals to beat you every game we play and I won't ever be able to root for your team as a lifelong Cards fan.  BUt here's to you.

Now about the complete lack of bathrooms at Wrigley...

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Glad
you had good games. I lived in Chi for 5 years and went to many games there at both Wrigley and Comiskey. Had some nasty run-ins with jerks but mostly had a lotta good times. Same at Busch 2 for nearly forty years. There are always gonna be assholes, but the vast majority of fans at every ballpark I've been to, including Fenway and Yankee Stadium, are good folks who just want to enjoy a ballgame. Though I've noticed what seems like an influx of more drunken jerks these days (especially at Busch 3 and Wrigley), I think it may just be that I'm getting grumpy in my old age and am more offended by public displays of assholism than I used to be.

by rockin redbird on Apr 25, 2006 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Boz!
As a Cubs fan, I am delighted that you had a good experience at Wrigley.  If you like, you can return the favor when I attend 2 Cubs/Cards games at Busch later this summer!  ha ha

by dfrancon @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 25, 2006 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd love to but...
I actually live in the San Francisco Bay Area.  So if you heading out to Pac Bell to watch a game, you are on!

by BozCardsFanSF on Apr 26, 2006 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is the ongoing fascination among Cubs fans
with insinuations that Edmonds is homosexual?  My understanding is that he's divorced and has a daughter (~10 or 11) living in California.

by Lance on Apr 25, 2006 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

It certainly is juvenile and crass
but it isn't just Cubs fans, Cardinal Fang. I have friends around the country that are fans of many teams, and many think that he is gay. I went to school in STL and many of my Card friends referred to him as their favorite "Queerdinal". I'm not sure the origin of the rumor, but it's not just a Cubs thing.

by The Boar on Apr 25, 2006 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were actually selling shirts around Wrigley
that said "Cardinal fans take in the Pujols", so it looks to be more derisive against Albert.

The reason the sign was directed at Edmonds is because he was the closest fielder to us.

Most of the over the line comments were directed at Edmonds but referenced his wife.

Before the game, the derision was directed at Spezio who was shagging flies with his kids in the outfield.  Nothing vulgar thank goodness as his kids are very young.  The worst comment was "Hey kid, you've got a better arm than your old man."  So nothing out of bounds.

by BozCardsFanSF on Apr 26, 2006 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree
I went to the Sunday Night Game at Wrigley and had a horrible experience. I bought really good seats on Stubhub (which included a parking pass... I really recommend the site) and sat next to mostly courteous and gracious cub fans. I brought my girlfriend, so I wasn't looking to start any trouble; however, trouble soon found me.

After Rolen homered, cubs fans behind us started throwing beer and peanuts at me and some cards fans sitting behind us. Then, on most of my trips to the bathroom, I was verbally abused by cubs fans (an old man in an orange bears sweatshirt tried to fight me). Finally, on our way out of the stadium, both my girlfriend and I were harrassed beyond belief. Look I know we got swept but the fans showed no class. At this point it was too much to handle, so I shouted at a couple of cubs fans to talk to me when they win something in the next fifty years, etc when out of nowhere, some cubs fan punched me in the face. I couldn't believe it, and to top things off, I had to spend much of the next hour in a room talking to the cops.

I know many cubs fans, and most are good guys who would never do anything like this, but next time I go to Wrigley, I ain't taking my girlfriend, rather some hard-hitting dudes who aren't going to take that shit.

by basehole on Apr 25, 2006 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Come to Des Moines...
...this weekend for the Iowa Cubs vs. the Memphis Redbirds. Sec Taylor Stadium is beautiful. Our gold-domed state capital building is where the St. Louis skyline is at Busch III. We Iowans are mild-mannered in the vein of Clark Kent. The tickets are cheap and the seats are almost uniformly good, whether they are general admission or not. Sure, it's AAA, but you can scope out some pitching prospects for both teams and the Cards' newly acquired, washed up veterans...

by bgh on Apr 25, 2006 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The average fan isn't a problem
I love going to Cards/Cubs games at Wrigley.  I wear at least some red, and other fans and I are usually going back and forth at each other.   They used ot laugh at me as I cheered each Sosa strikeout.   They tell me they feel sorry for my little girl.  I tell them I'm sorry they're a Cubs fan!

The only thing that has bugged me is bleedcubbieblue and the commenters there.   The Edmonds post (started by Al).   Some commenters actually writing that they hope someone hurts Pujols.  The constant namecalling.  

At least there was one diary where Al told the poster that he wasn't gonna allow cursing.

by sdrone on Apr 26, 2006 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

THis is why the recent
issue with similar problems at this site bothered me.   Thankfully, that seems to have been a temporary thing.    Most of the discussion (especially lboros original posts) that goes on here is great stuff.

by sdrone on Apr 26, 2006 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed
There were a couple of fans who would curse at me or one who challenged me to fight in the bathroom, but those situations are easily overcome.

I had a number of Cubs fans approach me to talk trash at the bar after the game, but I would tell them they should talk and I should hear it, since they won.  It was amazing the change in demeanor when I would say that.  Immediate change from adversarial to collegial.

And I agree about cheering for injuries to players or cursing.  Just not appropriate.  And I am far from a prude or uptight, but there is a time and place for things...

by BozCardsFanSF on Apr 26, 2006 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

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