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last april, david pinto pondered albert pujols' chances of breaking the career record for doubles:

The record is 792 by Tris Speaker. Bill James believes a record becomes soft when the yearly leader's total is about 1/18th of the record. For the doubles record that would be 44 a season. Over the first four years of his career, Pujols is averaging 47 doubles a year.

Albert is entering the peak of his career. He's already had two seasons of 50 doubles. If he can put together 250+ doubles over the next five years . . . he'll have a shot at Speaker.

albert had an off-year in the doubles department in 2005, hitting only 38 of them; he had never hit fewer than 40 in any previous season. his career total now stands at 227, and his career average is 45 a year -- still better than the 1/18th standard pinto mentions. even if we just take the last two years (including last year's career low), pujols is averaging 44.5 doubles a season. so this remains a viable enterprise; albert may still be 566 doubles shy of the record, but he has a clean shot at it.

he will be 26 this season; how many players (if any) have ever hit 566 doubles from age 26 going forward? thanks to baseball reference's lists of career records by age, we can look up the answer: two. pete rose (2d on the all-time list with 746 doubles) hit 635 doubles from age 26 on; tris speaker hit 622. couple other guys came close: honus wagner knocked 551, stan musial (history's third-most-prolific doubleist, with 725) 540. one active player may become the third player to join this list: craig biggio, who since age 26 has hit 530 doubles. he hit 40 doubles last year and has averaged 40 a year over the last five; even if he falls off slightly (and who could blame him, he'll be 40 years old this year) biggio will likely cross the 565-since-26 threshold in 2006. he didn't hit for much power in his early 20s; his career total stands at just 604, so he has no shot to catch speaker. but he'll pass paul waner, paul molitor, and henry aaron this year to reach #9 on the all-time chart; he needs 37 doubles to pass honus wagner and get to #8, and 43 to pass yaz and reach #7. biggio may very well crack the top 5 before he hangs `em up, but he's no threat to the record.

pujols is a better hitter than either biggio or rose, so if he's blessed with their health and longevity it would seem with his reach to hit 565 doubles from today forward. let's break this down a little further. baseball prospectus' PECOTA system helpfully provides five-year projections of player performance, and it forecasts pujols to hit 200 more doubles over the next five seasons (ie, 40 a year), which would leave him 365 doubles shy of the record through the age of 30. anybody hit that many doubles after 30? yeah -- six guys done it, and biggio will make it seven this year (he has 359). the others of recent vintage include rose (464), edgar martinez (385), and molitor (365).

the new ballpark may have a major impact on albert's chances in this regard, but last year's low total appears not to have delivered a fatal blow to pujols' opportunity. his greatest obstacle will probably be his feet; plantar fascitis probably does not enhance a player's extra-base-hit total as he ages.

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The new Busch outfield
is more spacious, right?  Which would seem to mean wider gaps in left-center and right-center, and the chance for more doubles, right?
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Mar 7, 2006 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Dimensions
The new outfield isn't exteremely more spacious.  From what I've read:

Lines - 336 in new vs. 330 in old
Gaps - 375 in new vs. 372 in old
Center - 400 in new vs. 402 in old

Of course, I've also read that the outfield wall is faceted instead of curved, so that the dimensions in the gaps may be farther in places.

Whatever the case, it's not a big difference.  I'd expect the postential for different wind currents to have a bigger impact on balls in play.

by Robb on Mar 7, 2006 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Injury issues?
Pujols is already planning a treatment for his foot before the season starts.  I'm starting to wonder how many years he can continue to hit well as his foot deteriorates.

by sdrone on Mar 7, 2006 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Isn't there
something that can be done about it once and for all--or is it one of those thing he'll have to live with and manage until it finally takes him out? It would be a tragedy to have a HOF career cut short by such an ailment.

by rockin redbird on Mar 7, 2006 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't there's a "cure"
for plantar fascitis.  I could be wrong.  Also, even if there were a cure, it'd involve surgery and foot surgery is a tricky thing for an athlete.

by sdrone on Mar 7, 2006 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Surgery
He could elect to have it operated on.  Considering the topic "went away" from about mid-season last year to just before Spring Training this year, I have to wonder if the sonic treatments are doing the job?

by Robb on Mar 7, 2006 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

But it didn't go away.
Remember Pujol's outburst when someone asked him about running out a grounder?  

He noticeably ran slower (not quite limping) at times.  I dunno if he was in pain or just being careful.    They talked about doing the treatment before the playoffs - I don't know if they went through with it.

by sdrone on Mar 7, 2006 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But why would someone
with foot problems steal 16 bases.  If it hurt that much, why push the envelope.

by Just Rope Ball on Mar 7, 2006 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

gag...
everyone brace yourself... there's a book coming out detailing Bond's steroid use.  Looks like another month of beating a dead horse...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/03/06/news.excerpt/index.html

by azruavatar on Mar 7, 2006 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

o and...
...I'd much rather see Pujols break the HR record but that's probably much less likly than him breaking the doubles record

by azruavatar on Mar 7, 2006 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So hard to predict.
Remember when Ken Griffey, Jr. was a lock to break Hank Aaron's record?  I actually feel sorry for Junior--I kind of think he was hurt constantly because he played so hard in CF.

by Valatan on Mar 7, 2006 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

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