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gonzo, anyone?

mlbtraderumors speculates on the trade market for luis gonzalez and lists the cardinals among the potential bidders. i would have to agree. gonzo could be this year's larry walker -- who, you may recall, was acquired in august 2004 to provide a postseason upgrade over the makeshift platoon (lankford / mabry / cedeno / marlon anderson) that kept the position warm for the first four months of the year. gonzalez is 38 years old but has a far better health record than walker ever did -- he has played at least 146 games in 9 of the last 10 seasons. he still has some pop and, perhaps more important, excellent on-base ability; picture him batting 2d ahead of pujols-edmonds-rolen. he's also a buddy of la russa's, which is not inconsequential.

the dbacks will probably be in the postseason hunt at midseason and looking for a pitcher; they  reportedly like both marquis and suppan. both pitchers will be free agents at the end of the season, while gonzo is signed through this year with a club option for 2007. but the option will prob'y be declined no matter where he is playing by season's end, so the trade would involve an exchange of short-term commitments. seems to make a lot of sense, at least on paper; we'll see if the same holds five months from now.

here's baseball prospectus' christian kahrl on the new cardinal pitcher, josh hancock: "He's always had pretty good command of his slider if a less-than-dominant fastball, and it isn't like failure in the Reds or Phillies organizations are iron-clad proofs that you're someone who can't pitch. On the other hand, his up-side really isn't much higher than adequate fifth starter or solidly useful tenth or eleventh man on a staff, so don't get really worked up."

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Gonzo YES
Totally agree with your asssessment of Gonzo inthe #2 hole.  He's also a class act - gives away over a million each year to charities not primarily for PR purposes or for the tax write-off, but because he truly feels genuine about helping those less privledged than himself.

Great veteran leader, lefty...YEAH, he'd make a super addition!

P.S. I'd also take Carlos Quentin as an alternative.  He's a certain future All-Star and would supplant Edmonds in center in the future.

by robster on Feb 23, 2006 3:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

gonzo
gonzo would be a perfect addition to this lineup.  i would consider him an upgrade over walker even.  he fits just about the same category, high OBP, lots of pop, classy vet, but has not had the inuuries in his career like walker has.  his shoulder is a cause of concern, but he could be relieved lots by the former platoon.  they would be able to keep him fresh for the strech run, while giving the bench that much stronger.  i would forgive WJ for this offseason if he completes this move.  here to gonzo!
Albert Pujols is god with a lowercase "g". Let's go Redbirds, World Series '06 here we come!

by stlsportsfan on Feb 23, 2006 4:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

An ackward situation
 I wonder about him and La Russa, having a whole chapter in 3 Nights in August about the plunking of Gonzo. I wonder if there is still some strain between the 2 because of that.

But I think it could make for an ackward (and funny) situation. Of course, I'm sure they could put it all behind them if they haven't already, but it would certainly be entertaining.

All differences aside, I'm sure Gonzo would love to come to a contender, and I for one would love to have him here.

by erik on Feb 23, 2006 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If you could see my face right now
you'd see that I'm making like Edvard Munch's "The Scream" at the thought of ANOTHER 38-YEAR-OLD OUTFIELDER as the guy who will supposedly put us over the top.  Geeez, can we get off this kick for one lousy season?  I just don't get how such a sabermetrically savvy group of fans can get so excited about these end-of-career guys.

Mabry/Cedeno/Lankford/Anderson was a truly horrific combination (or at least 3/4 of it was), and as disappointed as we may be with our current OF situation, I expect much more production from JRod/Bigbie/Gooch, so I don't think the need will be so glaring in 2004.

What will be glaring in the next 4 years is a desperate need for YOUTH.  Like it or not, our ownership will not ramp up payroll 12 percent every year.  If we can truly spare Marquis or Sup at the trading deadline, why not grab some D-Backs prospects instead?  I really don't think offense is going to be that much of a problem this year.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 23, 2006 4:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

no argument re the need for youth
but the cards are poorly positioned to acquire it. nobody's going to give up a worthwhile prospect for half a season of jason marquis (well i shouldn't say "nobody"; there are still some dumb gms out there. . . ). gonzo is obviously not a solution to the team's long-term age-salary problem. but if he's only here for 2 to 4 months he doesn't impede a solution either --- and he might help solve a short-term problem, ie how to score runs against postseason pitching.

by lboros on Feb 23, 2006 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Making a move on Gonzo
would only be a distraction from what we ought to be doing. You have written, at great length, and very persuasively, that the ever-elusive "power arm" is what will get us closest to a ring.  So if we're poorly positioned to acquire something better than Gonzo, why would we throw what few trade resources we have at him, thus leaving us even more poorly positioned to trade for anything else?  I think of all the aged guys we've brought in to fill offensive voids -- Cedeno (Cesar), Clark, Walker, etc., and as great as they all were -- still no ring.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 23, 2006 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's...
... more than one way to win a pennant. And if come July 31 we find ourselves overstocked with good starting pitching it makes perfect sense to offload our #4 or 5 or 6 guy for offense. Given the unlikelihood of trading Jason Marquis for, oh, say, an AJ Burnett type, this deal makes sense in concept. Of course, if our starting pitching is struggling, it doesn't work.
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Feb 23, 2006 9:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gonzo would be great
in the 2 hole for the last half of the year.  I've thought so for some time.  It doesn't fix our need for a young OF but he would be great down the stretch and in the postseason.

But if Arizona's in the race in July, as I expect they will be in that division, they may not want to trade their #3 or 4 hole hitter.  I know it would open up a spot for Quentin but they may not want a rookie in the lineup down the stretch.  

In an ideal world, JRod or Bigbie plays so well that we don't need another hitter down the stretch.  I think we need a hard-throwing pitcher.  But if it comes to that, Gonzo would really help our lineup a lot.

by chuckb on Feb 23, 2006 5:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know the NL West is awful...
but the diamondbacks have no pitching to speak of beyond Brandon Webb.  The Giants should be better the Padres probably about held serve and the Dodgers will either benefit from some vertan players or their entire team will be on the DL.  Either way I do not think Arizona has ANY chance of competing the the NL West after losing Vazquez.  They are definitely in rebuilding mode.

I'm not sure I'm particularly thrilled at the idea of giving up Marquis/Supp for a short term fix.  If the left field platoon turns out to be a black hole...maybe then but I would much rather see us trade him for some youth than a declining corner OF.  I'm not sure I see him putting us over the edge in the postseason.  He may releave some pressure from our MV3 but they are the ones who will still be the primary offensive unit come october.

by azruavatar on Feb 23, 2006 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzo
He has a $10 million mutual option in 2007.  Either it would need to be excercised or he is let go.  Giving up Suppan or Marquis for a 2-3 month rental of Gonzo is a pretty high price.  The Cards would surely pay Edmonds his $10 option before paying Gonzo his.  I agree with the one poster who suggested we trade for a prospect as the D-backs have many high quality outfield prospects in their system.  I am not sure the Diamnondbacks would do that though.  I say let's see if we can get Hidalgo for less money while giving up nobody if the O's fail to sign him.

by acr on Feb 23, 2006 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hidalgo
you really like hidalgo eh?
Albert Pujols is god with a lowercase "g". Let's go Redbirds, World Series '06 here we come!

by stlsportsfan on Feb 23, 2006 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a healthy Hidalgo, yes
Over the past few years he has had health issues.  But when he is healthy he is a real good hitter.  Plus he would be cheap.  So it is not like we would really be out a lot if he flopped.

by acr on Feb 24, 2006 1:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rental
quoting: "Giving up Suppan or Marquis for a 2-3 month rental of Gonzo is a pretty high price."

by midseason, both marquis and suppan will essentially be rentals themselves --- ie, the cards will only have their services for another 2-3 months. if at that point in the season --- and we're only speaking hypothetically here --- the cards have a surplus of pitchers but lack punch in the lineup, it would make sense to trade a rental pitcher for a rental hitter.

by lboros on Feb 24, 2006 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2007?
In 2007 the Cards would not be likely to pick up the Gonzo option but there is a chance they would at least offer arbitration to Marquis and Suppan.  If those players declined arbitration we would be getting some draft picks should they sign elsewhere.  Considering the shape of our minor league system that would be a positive.  I would not doubt seeing the cards trying to lock Suppan up for anoer 2-3 years, though, maybe even before they break camp this Spring.

by acr on Feb 24, 2006 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good points
and all true, but if the team needs a bat come midseason they can't be thinking about the draft picks they would lose.

it's not like i have my heart set on this guy. i just think that, under a certain set of not-so-unlikely circumstances, it might be the kind of trade that would make sense for both teams. there are plenty of other scenarios that might make just as much sense or more

by lboros on Feb 24, 2006 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
It would be a likely move to make a trade for the guy.  Who knows, the D-backs might be more interested in someone down on the farm?  

by acr on Feb 24, 2006 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trading for Gonzo
would run contrary to the pursestring tightening the owners have exhibited in the off-season, unless the D-Backs would agree to take on most of the salary. Personally, I don't see that happening.

by cardsrul on Feb 24, 2006 1:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

depends who goes
the other way in the trade, and when it occurs. gonzo will make $11.5 mill this year; marquis is due $5.1m. if those two get swapped on, say, july 30, the cards would be on the hook for roughly $3.8m to gonzalez but off the hook for about $1.6m to marquis, which means the overall payroll would only increase by $2.2m. after the season they can decline the option for 2007 and end their obligation to him.

by lboros on Feb 24, 2006 6:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it would be a
typical walt move if it did happen.I wouldn't be surprised if it did go down.Gonzo is a class guy and a actually a good fielder and can swing the bat in the playoffs.Should have never signed JuanEnc.If Bigbie breaks out and Jrod does then this is a moot conversation or you could trade juan to the d-back and get a couple of prospects in the deal if you send Marquis.This has gotta be jason last year as a Card

by sportsmanspark78 on Feb 24, 2006 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re
would only be a distraction from what we ought to be doing. You have written, at great length, and very persuasively, that the ever-elusive "power arm" is what will get us closest to a ring.  So if we're poorly positioned to acquire something better than Gonzo, why would we throw what few trade resources we have at him, thus leaving us even more poorly positioned to trade for anything else?  I think of all the aged guys we've brought in to fill offensive voids -- Cedeno (Cesar), Clark, Walker, etc., and as great as they all were -- still no ring.

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