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projections V: juan'cion

ah, juan encarnacion; my favorite player. at least we can say he's fairly consistent, which should make him easy to project. he's been so much discussed in these pages there's no need to rehash it all; read here or here or here or here if you want to refresh. among the very few things we haven't already said about this guy, allow me to note:

  • baseball america once rated him the #15 prospect in all of baseball (in 1998), three spots ahead of rick ankiel and just behind miguel tejada and todd helton. lance berkman was #64 on the same list, david ortiz #84. whatever.
  • encarnacion got his 1,000th career hit on august 19 last year against the dodgers' dj houlton; he got caught stealing a few pitches later.
  • his last name would score 15 points in scrabble, which is only 1.364 points per letter. it should be noted, however, that even if proper nouns were allowed in scrabble, it would still be impossible to play "encarnacion"; it's 11 letters long, and there are only 7 letters in a scrabble rack, and there are no words contained internally within "encarnacion" that might be played first by another player and then added onto to form the full name . . . . altho since we're assuming that proper nouns are allowed i suppose somebody could play "carnac," the old johnny carson character, and then another player could come along and add "en" to the front and "ion" to the back to form "encarnacion" . . . .
like i said, there are very few things we haven't already said about this guy.

just to change things up, let's add stolen bases to the list of projected stats. he swiped 19 bags as recently as 2003; career high is 33, when he was 23 years old. he's totaled only 11 over the last two seasons (in 20 attempts), but if he bats down in the order, in front of the 7-8-9 hitters, la russa may allow him to take a few chances. the playing-time factor shouldn't come into play here, as it did for our rolen and molinaprojections; we can safely assume 500 at-bats. so we'll need avg / obp / slg / hr / rbi / runs / sb; please don't look at previous posters' projections or at ZIPS / PECOTA etc etc until after you've posted your line. resources:

enarnacion's page at baseball reference
his three-year splits at espn.com
his davenport translations
and his stats over the last four years:

avg obp slg hr rbi r sb
2002 .271 .324 .449 24 85 77 21
2003 .270 .313 .446 19 94 80 19
2004 .236 .299 .405 16 62 63 5
2005 .287 .349 .447 16 76 59 6

we'll see what the results look like come monday.

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In Scrabble you COULD do it:
Someone's played an "E" somewhere on the left, and somebody else has played "ION" on the right:

H
O
M
E___ ION
R

All you'd have to do is connect them with the "NCARNAC"

H
O
M
ENCARNACION
R

by salvomania on Feb 10, 2006 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

You know,
..I really need to finish reading posts before I start formulating my replies.

by salvomania on Feb 10, 2006 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

not at all
this was an excellent reply --- good info

by lboros on Feb 10, 2006 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Marlins Fans
NEVER fully dissected Juan Enc: the man, the player, the Triple Word Score.  Amatuers.

CardBlogs Rule.

by flynn on Feb 10, 2006 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Or
Someone played CAR and another letter or letters to the right

_CAR__O
____U
_
___T

Then You'd need "ENNACIN"

by Zubin on Feb 10, 2006 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Juan'cion
avg .284
obp .339
slg .442
hr  21
rbi 82
r   70
sb  14

About what you would expect for the money in today's market..

by TenRingsAndCounting on Feb 10, 2006 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

you get what you pay for, or maybe a little less
BA  .274
OBP .325
SLG .430
HR    16
RBI   75
R     61
SB     6

I'm guessing here that he won't actually be the regular #2 hitter and is more likely to be hitting 5 (gad), 6 or 7. If he's in the 2 hole all year, I'd give him more runs and fewer RBI.

DCGreg

by DCGreg on Feb 10, 2006 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

JuanCon
The man that Florida's hitting coach projected to be league MVP during Spring Training 2004.

.274 .323 .451 15 88 69 5

less SB's than Pujols.

by sdelek on Feb 10, 2006 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

State of the N-Car nation
avg... .269
obp... .330
slg.... .441
hr....... 19
rbi ..... 83
runs... 75
sb....... 10

by salvomania on Feb 10, 2006 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

Juancion
2006 .285 .361 .453 21 74 60 8

Everybody plays better in the Lou.

by STLEdge on Feb 10, 2006 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

Juannyboy
SB: 15
HR: 20
RBI: 80
Avg: .273
OBP: .330
SLG: .450

by Valatan on Feb 10, 2006 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, these are similar
you'd almost think that we were looking at each other.

by Valatan on Feb 10, 2006 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

except ....
.... you forgot runs scored, Val.
DCGreg

by DCGreg on Feb 10, 2006 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Juan E
8's wild

.278/.328/.438/18/78/8

by ArRedbird on Feb 10, 2006 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

oops
forgot runs:

re-submitting...:

Juan E

.278/.328/.438/18/78/68/8

by ArRedbird on Feb 10, 2006 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

encarnacion projection
avg: .278
obp: .342
slg: .451
hr: 23
rbi: 92
runs: 81
sb: 11

by amettrick on Feb 10, 2006 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

encarnooooooo
avg .285
obp  .322
slg  .460
hr  25
rbi  75
runs  80
sb  15

by knieriemd on Feb 10, 2006 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

My Educated Guess
all right just a guess
avg   .283
obp   .345
slg   .470
rbi    22
runs   78
hr     25
sb     22

maybe a little optimistic, but hey we have had success before making average players great... or at least better.
o, and i have no clue how to find slg.  so if its weird sorry.  tell me and ill probably change it

by marioman42 on Feb 10, 2006 6:20 PM EST reply actions  

Jaun'cion
Oh please let me be wrong...

avg .254
obp .304
slg .420
hr  18
rbi 70
runs 65
sb 15
 

by Zubin on Feb 10, 2006 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

well
avg:.286
obs:.345
slg:.445
hr 20
rbi's:78
runs 80
sb 20

I really like the stats on ESPN's site it's clear he won't be hitting in the 2 hole.I think he'll replace reggie great in the 6 hole or even 7th.There were a couple of alarming stats on there but he's a Cardinal now so he's bound to be better.I think Hal will give him some more confidence and help him all around and to have the best hitter in baaseball giving him pointers or suggestions should rationalize his #'s for this year.

by sportsmanspark78 on Feb 10, 2006 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

Juan
avg .281
obp .342
slg .454
hr  23
rbi 85
r   70
sb  9

I'm probably a little overly optimistic, but I just don't think the Cards would have given him that contract unless they really belived he had turned a corner.

by montalban on Feb 10, 2006 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Here's my WAG...
.270 BA, .325 on-base, .445 SLG, 17 HR, 78 RBI...

based on ab-so-lute-ly nuthin'...

by The Ol Goaler on Feb 10, 2006 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Juan
avg .290
obp .360
slg .475
hr  20
rbi 80
r   70
sb  17

Career numbers as a boost from STL happens to so many. He's no Walker but will be adequate.

by azruavatar on Feb 10, 2006 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

I know, I know
I assure you I was thinking Tino Martinez the whole time I was writing those numbers, which is why I said most players get the STL boost and not ALL.  I think Juan will benefit from a more business like approach in the Cards clubhouse.

I know everyone is skeptical and Tino seems to loom like a hidden specter in everyone's mind on this blog but I don't think Juan goes the way of Tino.  Dear God I hope he doesn't.

by azruavatar on Feb 10, 2006 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

blah
Looking at those splits,  let's pray Tony bats him 6th. I'm basing my projections on that -- if he hits around his career avg, he should drive in a decent # of runs with Albert/Jed/Rolen in setting his table...

avg: .273
obp: .327
slg: .448
hr: 18
rbi: 84
runs: 63
sb: 8

by DCRedbird on Feb 10, 2006 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Encarnacion
avg: .272
obp: .348
slg: .462
HR : 22
RBI: 87
RUNS:72
SB : 9

by endlessticketscom on Feb 10, 2006 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

Encarnumbers
TLR says Encarnumber two hole... More runs, fewer RBIs, other numbers keep up with '05 since that'd put him in front of Albert.

AVG  .285
OBP  .351
SLG  .445
HR    18
RBI   67
R     73
SB    11

That is, unless Albert loses it, pulls his shirt up over his head and starts chanting "I am the great Pujolio! I need BP for my fungoe!" or something crazy like that.

The Cardinal Curmudgeon

by lawman3842 on Feb 10, 2006 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

Cardinal KOOL-AID
projecting this while drinking a big glass

282/354/451/20/83/52/16

by Just Rope Ball on Feb 10, 2006 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

ICN : Juan "In Card Nation"
I am making this prediction figuring that ICN will bat in the #6 hole.

avg: .285
obp: .340
slg: .445
hr: 19
rbi: 82
runs: 82
sb: 15

by acr on Feb 10, 2006 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

I'm expecting
his typical performance in terms of plate discipline and OBP. Runs will be down due to his slot in the order.  But I'm also cutting him a lot of slack for having played more than 900 games in cavernous ballparks in Detroit and Florida. A few of those warning-track outs will go over the wall in Busch III, leading to a career-high-matching HR total. An .847 OPS would make him a useful player in my book.

Avg    0.271
OB    0.318
Slg    0.529
HR    22
RBI    81
R    64

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 10, 2006 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Whoops, I can't count either
Make that "more than 450 games in cavernous ballparks in Detroit and Florida."  Geez, I haven't even started drinking yet.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 10, 2006 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

OK, this is the last one
I promise.  I had a formula malfunction in my spreadsheet that led to a ridiculously high SLG.  So here's the final word, and then it's bourbon time:

Avg .271
OBP .318
SLG .483
HR 23
RBI 81
R 64

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 10, 2006 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Juan Gone?
BA 280
OBP 337
SLG 450
R 84
RBI 83
HR 21
SB 14

by michajo on Feb 10, 2006 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

not bad for 3.5 mill
BA  .277
OBP  .335
SLG  .445
HR  18
RBI 81
R   74
SB  9

by chuckb on Feb 10, 2006 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Juan
BA:285
OBP:346
SLG:495
HR:22
RBI:90
Runs:80
SB:12

by bigcardsfan5 on Feb 10, 2006 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Juan (Not so Gone)
BA: .271
OBP: .329
SLG: .441
HR: 17
RBI: 73
Runs: 69
SB: 9

by PhatAlbert on Feb 10, 2006 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

Carch...
275avg/330obp/450slg/20hr/80rbi/73r/10sb

fingers(and toes) are crossed

by rockin redbird on Feb 11, 2006 12:53 AM EST reply actions  

Juan
I think Juan will see fewer good pitches if he bats 6 or 7, with good hitters on base ahead of him and lesser ones following.  That said, I think that if he can maintain discipline, his avg will hold, his obp will go up, as will his rbi total, but power will not change much.  I agree he will get more chances to run.

BA  .285
OBP .360
SLG .445
HR  15
Runs 60
SB  12

by oldbirdwatcher on Feb 11, 2006 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

hmm
avg   .273
obp   .330
slg   .429
rbi    45
runs   49
hr     7
sb     5

i think he could end up riding some pine...

by 2ndprize on Feb 11, 2006 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

He'll be as mediocre as ever, I'm sure
AVG. 272
OBP .319
SLG .431
RBI 71
HR 14
R 78
SB 3

by Bivouac77 on Feb 11, 2006 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

JuanE
I'll be happy with:
Avg- .265
Obp- .315
Slg- .420
HR- 20
RBI- 70
R- 62
SB- 12

I should note that I modified my MLB 2K5 rosters to fit the Cards off-season aquistions and Larry Bigbie is TEARING IT UP.

JuanE...eh, not so much.

Cheers, Alex Fritz

by Alxfritz on Feb 11, 2006 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Mar a Juan E
.265
.335
.445
HR 17
RBI 83
R 70
SB 8

by erik on Feb 11, 2006 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Totally insane!
avg .275
obp .325
slg .470
hr  24
rbi 85
r   70
sb  15

by SuperSeve on Feb 12, 2006 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Preditions
avg    obp    slg    hr    rbi    r    sb
.275  .312 .430 18   78  60     20
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Feb 12, 2006 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Do you Juanna? Yes I think so!
BA   .280
OBP  .340
SLG  .445
HR     17
RBI    83
R      80
SB     11
"The good Lord was good to me. He gave me a strong body, a good right arm, and a weak mind." -Dizzy Dean

by vince eating tarp on Feb 12, 2006 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Enc.
avg... .278
obp... .340
slg.... .477
hr....... 23
rbi ..... 85
runs... 70
sb....... 6
"It takes pitching, hitting and defense. Any two can win. All three make you unbeatable". Joe Garagiola

by MRCARD on Feb 12, 2006 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Juan EnCardNation
avg    285
obp    320
slg    450
hr      20
rbi     80
runs    65
sb      11

My most optimistic projection thus far and I don't have a clue why.

by stash3630 on Feb 12, 2006 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

EnCard
avg .270
obp .318
slg .485
hr  16
rbi 70
r   58
sb  3

by Neuronix on Feb 13, 2006 3:19 AM EST reply actions  

Thoughts
Avg .282
Obp .321
Slg .475
HR 21
RBI 82
R 75
SB 8
Freezing in Wisconsin.

by WiscCard on Feb 13, 2006 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

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