five more years
before we get to the extension, a few updates you may or may not have heard:
- vicente padilla will return to the rangers on a 3 yr / $33m deal, with an optional 4th
- the padres are close to signing greg maddux --- could impact the zito ransom, as the pads have been considered leading buyers
- also re the padres: they signed jose cruz jr, a cult favorite at VEB
- espn's steve phillips says the cubs might get jason jennings for jacque jones and carlos marmol in a three-way trade involving pittsburgh. phillips is far from 100 pct reliable, but this one could be true --- hendry and dave littlefield have done a lot of bizness together
so, the extension --- three add'l guaranteed years (2009 through 2011), with an option for a fourth (2012). as i noted at first blush yesterday, the deal comes in spite of the cards' aversion to committing more than three years of guaranteed money to any pitcher. there's a simple reason for that philosophy: all pitchers are injury risks. in locking up carp for five years (his age 32 through age 36 seasons), the cardinals accept the fairly high likelihood that, at some point during the life of the contract, carpenter will miss half a season with an injury; might even need a little surgery (on his shoulder, elbow, back, or whatever). that's not to criticize the deal or to judge it; it's just to state the facts. name a significant cardinal pitcher of this decade who hasn't needed some significant down time and/or a trip to the operating room. matt morris? surgery after the '04 season. woody williams? in and out of the rotation in '02, arm problems in '04. darryl kile? shoulder surgery between the 01 and 02 seasons. andy benes? knee trouble. izzy and mulder, you know about. carp himself has already had a significant outage since joining st louis, missing september 2004 and all of that year's postseason. it just comes with the territory; happens to the pedro martinezes and curt schillings and rocket clemenses and andy pettittes of the world, too. even bob gibson had two lengthy disablements ('67 and '73) while at the height of his powers.
the question isn't really whether or not carpenter can stay healthy for five years; he probably won't. the question is whether he's a good enough pitcher to justify the contract in spite of the probable down time --- and whether he'll remain that good over the life of the deal. which brings us to the other risk that teams run when they sign pitchers to half-decade deals: sometimes pitchers just lose it. i'm thinking here of guys like tim hudson and josh beckett, who both have sev'l years to go on contract extensions they signed before or during 2006 --- and which their teams now probably wish they hadn't offered. in a lesser sense, i'm thinking of guys like mike hampton, denny neagle, russ ortiz, and even darryl kile (vis-vis the rockies) --- ace-type pitchers who signed long, expensive free-agent deals and then almost immediately stopped pitching well. the injury risk is unavoidable, but what are the odds that carpenter will turn into a below-average pitcher at some point during the next five years?
not very high, thankfully. carp appears to have joined a rare class of pitchers, those who manage to escape the gravitational pull of the mean and perform at high altitude over the life of their careers. the list of pitchers who've matched his achievement of the last three seasons --- 50+ wins and a .700+ winning percentage --- is very short and very sweet. here are the only guys who've done it in the last 20 years:
| pitcher | years | age | record | pct | era | cy? |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| clemens | 88-90 | 25 | 62-25 | .713 | 2.80 | yes |
| santana | 04-06 | 27 | 55-19 | .743 | 2.75 | yes |
| pedro | 97-99 | 27 | 59-19 | .756 | 2.29 | yes |
| glavine | 92-94 | 28 | 55-23 | .705 | 3.24 | no |
| carp | 04-06 | 31 | 51-18 | .739 | 3.10 | yes |
| big unit | 93-95 | 31 | 50-16 | .758 | 2.97 | yes |
| maddux | 95-97 | 31 | 53-17 | .757 | 2.21 | yes |
| smoltz | 96-98 | 31 | 56-23 | .709 | 2.96 | yes |
| welch | 88-90 | 33 | 61-23 | .726 | 3.21 | yes |
| schilling | 01-03 | 36 | 53-22 | .707 | 3.07 | no |
| wells | 98-00 | 37 | 55-22 | .714 | 4.16 | no |
| moyer | 01-03 | 40 | 54-21 | .720 | 3.34 | no |
the "age" column represents the pitcher's age in the last year of the three-year run; the "cy" column asks whether or not the pitcher won a cy young award during the three years. these guys are listed in order of age, youngest to oldest.
i'm well aware that wins are a discredited statistical category these days, but the fluke factor vis-vis wins decreases in magnitude over time; a pitcher might have one lucky season with a high win total/pct, but to string together three such years in a row you actually have to be good. it will be argued that these guys just had the good fortune to pitch for good teams, hence racked up lots of wins; the counterargument would be that they helped make the teams good, were active agents rather than passive beneficiaries.
toss out whatever caveats you want to; it's still a pretty compelling list. aside from the old fogeys at the bottom of the list (ie, wells and moyer), these are all strong hall-of-fame candidates, if not sure-thing inductees --- elite pitchers year in, year out. discount bob welch if you want to; he won 211 games in his career and won 6 of his 9 postseason starts, which is not terrible. admittedly, most of these guys aren't particularly comparable to carpenter. clemens and pedro were both significantly younger at the time they achieved this feat, while schilling wells and moyer were much older; big unit's a physical freak, maddux a mental freak, glavine a soft-tossing lefty. (by the way, several of these pitchers --- clemens, pedro, big unit, glavine, maddux --- had multiple three-year segments of 50 games / .700 pct.) in my mind the most comparable pitcher here is smoltz, who remains an elite starting pitcher nearly a decade after the 3-year run cited here. let's just ask: how effective and durable were these guys in the five years after winning 50 in 3 seasons? table:
| pitcher | years | age | innings | record | era |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| clemens | 89-93 | 30 | 1191 | 85-52 | 2.85 |
| pedro | 00-04 | 32 | 937 | 75-26 | 2.53 |
| glavine | 95-99 | 33 | 1137 | 79-41 | 3.13 |
| big unit | 96-00 | 36 | 1039 | 80-31 | 2.74 |
| maddux | 98-02 | 36 | 1152 | 89-44 | 2.88 |
| smoltz | 99-03 | 36 | 390 | 17-15 | 2.88 |
| welch | 91-94 | 37 | 579 | 35-37 | 4.80 |
| schilling | 04-08* | 41 | 880* | 70-35* | 3.93 |
| wells | 01-05 | 42 | 900 | 66-36 | 4.06 |
| moyer | 04-08* | 45 | 1000* | 51-55* | 4.59 |
since schilling and moyer have only had three "post" years so far, i just took their averages for won-loss and innings and extrapolated to five seasons; hence the asterisks. again, with the exception of the old guys, every one these pitchers remained ace-caliber for the next five years; some actually pitched better, although they didn't necessarily rack up wins with quite the same frequency. they also largely remained healthy --- all except smoltz, whose elbow problems (a recurrent nuisance) finally forced him to the bullpen for several years, where he became the game's best closer.
one other player who jumps to mind as a comp for carp is kevin brown. his career path has been very similar to carp's --- came up in the american league, at about the same age as carpenter, and was/is a similar type of pitcher: lotta strikeouts and groundballs. like carp, brown was pretty good but not dominant in his 20s (although he did have one luck-aided 20-win season), but blossomed at around age 30 into a cy young-caliber pitcher after coming to the national league. between 1996 and 1998 (his age 31 through 33 years), brown won 51 games with a .662 winning percentage and a 2.33 era, during which period he anchored two pennant-winning rotations, won a world championship, and had two top-3 cy young finishes. at the end of that run, brown signed the first $100 million contract ever awarded to a pitcher --- and one that is often held up as an object lesson in why you don't commit to pitchers for more than a few years. but that was a 7-year contract; if you only judge it by the first five years (ie, the same length as carp's extension), it's not quite so terrible. brown went 58-32 in those five years with a 2.83 era in 873 innings --- an average of 175 innings per year. he was completely healthy for three of the five seasons (nos. 1, 2, and 5); he made 30+ starts in each of those years, went a combined 45-24 with a 2.68 era, made two all-star teams and had two top-10 cy young finishes. his park-adjusted ERA+ for those years was north of 160. essentially, he had 3 full years akin to carpenter's 2006. however . . . . in 2001 and 2002 brown was on and off the DL, making only 29 starts combined in those years.
my point is that even kevin brown, whose contract is deemed a disaster, continued to pitch extremely well and delivered considerable value in the first five years of his deal; the tradeoff for that value was a couple of injury-plagued seasons. even one of those years was not a total loss --- brown went 10-4 with a 2.65 era in 2001 and was available in september; had the dodgers made the playoffs that year (they finished 6 games out), he would have been available as their game 1 starter. in any case, the injury risk is always there, with every pitcher; you can't avoid it. carpenter is the type of pitcher who is worth taking a bigger risk on, because when he's healthy he is almost certainly going to pitch like an ace --- now, and five years from now.
so put me down as a supporter; the cardinals are taking a sensible risk. a few other stray thoughts about the deal:
- once again, the cardinals show themselves to be more willing to risk big dollars on a player who's already in the organization, than to risk same on a free agent from without. i chalk that up to character-related issues; the owners and management team won't risk a lot on a guy until they have gained trust in him and observed, first-hand, certain character traits in which they place great stock.
- related to the above --- when the cards do have a surplus to spend, they'd prefer to spend it on their own guys; that's the team's de facto profit-sharing plan. some of the bonanza reaped from 8 home playoff games, plus god knows how much in direct sales / royalties related to world series memorabilia, has gone into the extensions for edmonds and carp, the two-year deal for spiezio, and the re-signing of bennett. only after dispersing those spoils is the team now looking outward, to plow whatever's left into the acquisition of new talent.
- i support this deal but i can't say it particularly excites me; it doesn't make the team better this year. if we're really honest, we have to admit that the cards have done nothing so far to improve the team from its 83-win standard of 2006; the kennedy signing is essentially a lateral move, the wells signing is a low-risk crapshoot, and the rest of their moves are re-signings of the old gang. they can anticipate some internal gains, however, viz.: reyes and (hopefully) wainwright will have fulltime rotation slots, and they'll pitch much better than marquis and ponson/weaver last season. but the cards still need to bring in at least one reliable pitcher --- not even necessarily a high-impact one (although that'd be great). i'm still waiting to see who that guy (or those guys) is/are --- and i hope i'll be excited then.
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Lboros
Even allowing you that Carpenter probably won't just lose it, this seems like a rather large risk that the Cardinals had little reason to take at this time.
A significant non-parallel
If we hadn't re-upped Carp, it could have really bitten us financially.
the big difference
so, basically: there's a lot of upside with carp to offset the downside risk. with edmonds, it's almost all downside risk.
add'l thought
good question. my own thought is this: they're only taking on an extra year of risk by extending him now. they might have waited one more season, but they surely would have extended him before the 2008 campaign began ---- else he might decide to test the free-agent market at the end of that season, and the cards couldn't afford to run that risk. so they really only jumped the gun by one season; the only add'l risk they're taking on is the risk that he blows out his arm in 2007. and the risk of a catastrophic (ie, career-ending or -changing) blowout is not very high. and, as these tables show, i also don't think there's a high risk that carp will morph this season into a 14-11 pitcher with a 3.80 era.
they took a step they were going to take anyway one year from now; slightly greater risk, perhaps, but there'd be risks in waiting too (you never know how high the market will go next season).
I guess had I been Walt
I was just curious how you were reconciling the support of this deal with your curiousity at the Edmonds deal. It was a problem for me because I liked the Edmonds extension and I don't like this extension. $$$ this big with pitchers just concerns me - regardless of the pitcher. Definitely more upside here with considerably more risk as well.
i think edmonds
in any case, i wasn't/am not a huge critic of the edmonds deal; it's not going to be catastrophic even if he hits .211 this year or misses another 6 weeks with this injury or that. but i didn't understand what the club gained by adding the 2d year to edmonds' deal. i do understand what they gain by this deal: they lock up a premier pitcher for the rest of his prime years.
renteria
Great analysis
One curious mention in the P-D story: Cards apparently pursuing Octavio Dotel. I would have thought the bullpen was about the last place that needed attention. Strikes me that this would only make sense alongside either a trade that would dispatch Looper, Thompson or Kinney and/or a move of Wainwright to the rotation.
Signing someone like that gives you
Izzy won't be moved
Dotel provides added insurance and lets you move some of the younger parts like Thompson or Kinney in a trade.
Octavio Dotel -- our rotation
Looks like our 2007 rotation will shake out this way:
Carp
Reyes
Wainwright
Bautista / Weaver
Wells
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Narvie starting in the pen as the 3rd loogy but available to start if one of the 5 goes down. I expect us to flip Rincon to somebody in need of a loogy for a prospect leaving Tyler J and Flores as the primary lefties in the pen.
Sure that means two young guys in the rotation but the economics of the game dictate it. TRL and Dunc must adapt.
I think it's
Aren't those 2 different pitchers??
by El Birdo Rojo on Dec 5, 2006 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be happy
Basically, it seems we're singing the same tune we were singing most of last summer: Cards need one more top-flight pitcher and another big bat. Walt won the World Series by finding brand names at discount prices, although another big bat was never really found. I'd expect more of the same and will be pleasantly surprised if Walt goes out and gets a more proven commodity rather than trying to revive a player thrown to the recycle bin by another team.
by Baily on Dec 5, 2006 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
what team is going to give us a prospect
rincon
You are correct sir ... Miguel Batista as opposed to Bautista.
As Always
As for the question of his health, you're absolutely right that he will, at some point, miss a fair chunk of time w/injury. But I don't think Carpenter is at all a big time health risk. He has one of the best, most consistent deliveries in the game. His arm action is as clean, as low torque, as you're going to see. His big injury, the shoulder, can really be attributed to poor mechanics and, especially, poor balance. (you think he falls off toward first base now? Go back and watch old tapes of his first couple years w/Toronto. Terrible, no repeatability whatsoever.) Carpenter is really the sort of pitcher who has turned the corner, as opposed to one who just has a couple of fluke good years. I like this deal. Now, if the Cardinals could just find a setting to put this diamond into...
Maddux?
Carpenter
Maddux
Reyes
Wainwright
Wells
We would only be on the hook for two years, and Duncan wouldn't have another project on his hands (in the above rotation he would already have three). Might be too late for us to jump in.....am I crazy?
G-Mad
I think Maddux needs a stupid nickname, btw. All of Boras' clients seem to have one of the goddam things. D-Mat? Seriously?
by the red baron on Dec 5, 2006 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
mad dog
by the red baron on Dec 5, 2006 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I've always wanted to see Maddux with the cards
I was thinking that way, too - but
I'm surprised he's not re-signing
Is San Diego farther away from his home in Vegas?
Is San Diego farther away from his home in Vegas?
Unless it rains then it's 5 hours drive time and 1/2 fly time.
He would get to drive past Temecula so he would have that going for him.
I've Heard he actually lives in Dana Point
Dotel?
Dotel Allows for...
08 Rotation will have Carpenter and then Reyes/Wainright/Narvelson(or other young arm) for very cheap.
Use the extra cash to sign that big bat to replace the diminshed Edmonds...
I'm thinking Vernon Wells in CF.
by El Birdo Rojo on Dec 5, 2006 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Have you seen the money people are
huh?
Jose Cruz Jr. - $650,000
That doesn't add up. All the more reason the Cards should have given Jose a chance as their pseudo-platoon/backup OF for lil Dunc and sometimes Jimmy.
that sure seems like a missed opportunity
Padilla, etc.
Lilly not in bloom
by Baily on Dec 5, 2006 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn't sure how to feel until...
Now that the Cardinals have basically told Carp "Hey, you are worth alot more to us than the other pitchers out there, that's why we're paying you first. But we also need more pitchers, and we didn't want to offend you with any deal we might make." I have a sneaking suspicion that this will lead to the signing of Jason Schmidt.
I could be wrong, could be right, we shall see. Either way I'm pleased with the deal now, and I think I'll be more and more pleased in the next 5 years.
by SethWestern on Dec 5, 2006 10:16 AM EST reply actions
fantastic post, lboros
Here, here
by Baily on Dec 5, 2006 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Do we really have to do that much?
"we have to admit that the cards have done nothing so far to improve the team from its 83-win standard of 2006"
My point is, we spent a lot of the season without ever utilizing our line-up in its entirety (i.e. the lineup we used for the postseason). Due to the success we had in the postseason with this current lineup, I get the feeling that management seems to believe that the lineup as is stands right now, doesn't need to be tinkered with. Pitching is, obviously, the priority instead. I wouldn't be surprised at all if management signs one to two more FA pitchers and doesn't sign or trade for any more position players.
by Hot in Herr on Dec 5, 2006 10:22 AM EST reply actions
reasonable question
reyes and wainwright might represent the necessary new blood, and duncan provided an important (and unexpected) infusion of young talent. but historically speaking, re-assembling last year's team has been a losing formula for most champions.
Yes
It's nearly impossible to repeat as champions in today's MLB. I'm pretty sure this year proved better than ever that anything can happen in the playoffs -- the MLB playoffs are as close to a crapshoot as anything in pro sports. If the club looks like they'll be good enough to make the playoffs (and if they add another plus pitcher I think they will be) in '07, I'll be happy. Anything more than that, well I'll take it!
We've done nothing? But we peformed
Disgusting human being
by Hot in Herr on Dec 5, 2006 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Wells
The closest he ever came was 3rd (1998 and 2000).
Very interesting comment about Dotel
It'll be DARN interesting to see how this new
From the PD
shouldn't affect it at all...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 5, 2006 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
suppan apparently
"National League Championship Series Most Valuable Player Jeff Suppan turned down a three-year, $21-million offer from Colorado, according to an official from an American League team, and Suppan will likely top that package, given where salaries are headed."
likely give us an idea of how much he'd cost us. perhaps a place to cut bait and look for new talent.
Not all about the $?
by Baily on Dec 5, 2006 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Those stats are changing
Rule 5
It seems unlikely that we could lose anyone of value, but hopefully we could pick someone up, although I don't know where we'd find the space.
Rule 5 Candidates
The scout.com folks put together a list of candidates with scouting reports. Two prospects from each of 18 teams.
I don't see the Cardinals having any holes that need to be filled via Rule 5 unless we see a very good starter who could hide out in middle relief for a season. Sounds unlikely to me—I'm pretty excited to see what Hawksworth can do in 2007.
It goes without saying, but the Cardinals aren't in any danger of losing a player via Rule 5.
I pray this isn't true....
I pray this information is wrong. Getting Jennings for Duncan would be a steal.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 5, 2006 11:05 AM EST reply actions
he's not signed past this year
one-year rental?
I think the love affair w/ young Dunc is gonna end this year when his fielding percentage never comes around. I would've taken that deal. Then again, I'm not Walt (thank goodness).
Please
by Tarheel85 on Dec 5, 2006 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Odd....
If that were true, it would make me feel like Duncan's trade value is higher than we think and that Jocketty is just waiting for a super-great trade instead of an ok trade.
"In Jocketty We Trust"...or at least I do.
I really trust him too
by Toddius396 on Dec 5, 2006 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
given our discussions
duncan
I think the Cards already offered
I'm not sure why $21MM would even be viewed as a particularly competitive offer.
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Disagree on the Wainwright to the rotation idea. Not that it won't happen, but that if you follow the logic from last year, they will look for at least a backup plan. Which means acquiring another starter.
Whether that man is a No. 2 or a No. 5 is the big question.
I think their plan
If they can get, say, Dotel, but not enough good starters, he'll go to the rotation.
I just don't think it's set in stone yet.
not that I count
by Birds on the Matt on Dec 5, 2006 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
That's the way
by Baily on Dec 5, 2006 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Signing Carp...
Peavy
"The Astros remain in talks with the Colorado Rockies for Jason Jennings. They also have inquired about San Diego Padres ace righthander Jake Peavy, who would likely come at a higher price, considering his age and relatively cheap contract for a player of his ability."
Gee, you think? A higher price even than for Jennings?
Is this all hot air? I'm not sure why the Pads would even consider dealing him. But even if they were/are, I doubt even more that the Cardinals have enough talent in the system to pry him away.
I guess the question is: just what would it take to get Peavy? Is it even worth salivating about?
What would it take?
Hirsh is a pretty well regarded
Not sure that would do it but they have some good bargaining chips that are MLB ready. Certainly moreso than the Cardinals. I just don't see the Padres moving Peavy for a few more years.
They could deal
Peavy
Hate to bring this up, but I'm thinking it's OK to talk about Dontrelle now. If Scott Olsen could walk one less batter per game he could very well put up better numbers than Willis in '07. With the Marlins' budget, you've got to think that they can only afford to extend one of Cabrera or Willis. I'd sign Cabrera and trade away Willis were I running their show.
SD Radio
Carp signing: the timing was right
What I think was most important about the signing was the timing. Before rumors start floating around about offers to other pitchers, I think it was important to give Carp the message that he's numero uno and we want him to remain so for the next several years.
In terms of risk, his work ethic and attitude put him among the very top tier of pitchers. And I think it's often overlooked that arm injuries among Cardinal starters have been relatively rare over the past three years. I think Duncan does a good job of watching pitch counts and avoiding overworking his starters. Carp's nerve injury was an unusual type of problem, and Mulder was damaged when we got him. Woody and Morris had some recurring problems, but otherwise, it seems to me, our pitchers have been remarkably durable.
by Fred McTaggart on Dec 5, 2006 12:18 PM EST reply actions
At the outset of the postseason
by Toddius396 on Dec 5, 2006 12:19 PM EST reply actions
4th Outfielder
by Pokey Joe on Dec 5, 2006 12:41 PM EST reply actions
Trade 'em
With Duncan out, I would like to see the Cards go after Shannon Stewart or maybe even Gonzo or Daryle Ward. If Walt is not satisfied with one of those three, then use Rincon, Looper, Thompson... as trade bait and go out and get the outfielder they want.
But how good could this rotation be?
- Carp
- Jennings
- Suppan/Mulder
- Reyes
- Wells
- Eck
- Kennedy
- Pujols
- Rolen
- Edmonds
- LF of choosing(Gonzo/Stewart/or maybe a big time bat for LF)
- Enc
- Molina
Miles
Speez
J-Rod
Taguchi
Bennett
Bullpen
Izzy
Wainy
Looper
Flores
Johnson
Hancock
Kinney
This is comincal, BUUUUUUT.. Do you think they see Ankiel as an option in LF if they insist on platooning again. I know that is pushing it because he has never played a full season of outfield in the bigs and he is an injury waiting to happen. But he is still a lefty hitting option to maybe platoon with Taguchi. We have to do something with him or lose him if he is not on the roster or injured list. Him or J-Rod has to go. I like the guy, but come on.... How long have we been paying for him to be in extended spring training?
by Edmonds is baseball on Dec 5, 2006 12:44 PM EST reply actions
Rick Ankiel
Until he's actually playing in left field of Busch Stadium, let's pretend he's dead.
Too late...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 5, 2006 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
yearly salary
2007 8.5
2008 10.5 10.0 9.5
2009 14 12.7 11.6
2010 14 12.1 10.5
2011 15 12.3 10.2
2012 15 11.8 9.3
The second and third columns of numbers are that year's salary in 2007 dollars, assuming a 5% or 10% inflation rate respectively. I think no matter how you look at it, this is a good deal for the Cards. If we'd waited a year or two longer to negotiate, I don't think there's any way we could have matched this.
American Legends
This is a great blog. I'm going to be sure to link yours to mine. Would you mind doing the same for me?
Thank you very much.
My site:
www.americanlegends.blogspot.com
Take care,
Mark
by JMEnglish on Dec 5, 2006 1:04 PM EST reply actions
Article updated...
"The Cardinals did not announce terms of the deal but it was learned Tuesday morning that it will pay Carpenter $14 million in 2009, $14.5 million in 2010 and $15 million in 2011. The extension also includes a $15 million club option for 2012, or the Cardinals may exercise a $1 million buyout.
Should the Cardinals assume the option for 2012, Carpenter will receive $77.5 million during the term of the deal.
Provisions also call for $2 million to be deferred without interest from each of the last three guaranteed years."
Break it down
07 $8.5mil, 08 $10.5mil, 09 $12mil, 10 $12.5mil, 11 $13mil, 12 $15mil Club Option ($1mil buyout)
Miguel Batista
by Toddius396 on Dec 5, 2006 1:56 PM EST reply actions
Love resigning Carp
those of you Chris Duncan haters out there willing to trade him for anyone who can pitch & a bag of balls, be careful what you wish for. unless Walt can get a big bat, and a good starter thats locked up for long term, it's not a smart move. I'm not sold on jennings from Colorado. I've just personally never been impressed with the guy. outside of Colorado he might be great. but I personally just don't see it. if the rumor is true, glad Walt turned it down. I'd rather see him dump Juan,JRod and a minor leaguer for a jennings type.
I know Chris had a bad game 5, but dang people, without that kid we don't even make it to October. I don't get the rush to dump him. young, cheep, lefty swinging powers hitters don't fall into your lap everyday. unless Walt gets blown away, I can't see him trading him. Don't give up on Chris yet. His D will improve, and his hitting can only get better sitting in front of Albert for a full season.
Hear me now, belive me later.
Carp's signing might even
Then of course they will go ahead and take the money, but maybe they'll fell a little guilty in doing so!
by vince eating tarp on Dec 5, 2006 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Duncan
Batista battle?
The Royals have offered free-agent right-hander Miguel Batista a three-year, $24 million contract, but Batista also is receiving strong interest from the Cardinals, FOXSports.com has learned.
batista
i think
The smart ones seems to blossom under Tony and Dunc's the methodical, analytical approach.
But if he's the impact starter that Jock spoke of, then i'm rather disappointed.
Agreed
by Baily on Dec 5, 2006 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Outstanding analysis
Carpenter extension
I would diverge to reflect on what this deal says about Carpenter. I doubt that it would be possible with many current "star" level players. His past demeanor re contracts, work levels, and general under the radar behavior suggest to me that Chris has values beyond money. He has opted for stability, staying where he is happy, and I suspect staying with Duncan and Tony, as issues worth more to him than positioning himself for even more money. He apparently realizes that this contract will give him the same security and life style that one with even more millions, and his ego does not demand that he be paid more than anyone else.
His post contract comments in today's P-D are consistent with this view.
So I say three cheers for Walt, and six cheers for Chris.
Batista
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