mo money, mo problems
Posting here a day early...Just a few thoughts on the el caballo gordo deal that went down yesterday...It's growing more and more amusing to watch our division rivals get into money fights. The Carlos Lee deal almost makes the Soriano deal look good, and that's saying something. Throwing $100 mil at a corpulent left fielder who has the range of a narcoleptic cow and a career OPS of .835 doesn't quite add up to me. Mitchel Litchmann, stat guru and former advisor to the Cards had a little rant in light of the news of the deal. Per MGL at BBTF:
This is the worst signing of the off-season. It is horrendous. I defended the Soriano and Matthews signings. This one is indefensible. Lee, by all rights, is a terrible defender at this point in his career (interestingly, prior to 05, his UZR was above average). His baserunning lwts also took a nose-dive in 05. That and his UZR decline suggests that he has lost his speed. He is an average left fielder overall at best. At best. This signing has all the earmarks of a stupid team overvaluing a player - signing for big bucks a corner outfielder (not properly adjusting for defensive position) who is past his prime, just had a career year in offense, has good garbage stats, and is a terrible defender.I'd love to hear his defense of Gary Matthews... Anyway, it's not that I think Carlos Lee will be completely awful for at least the early part of the deal, but the Astros are spinning their wheels here. First of all, the could've just signed a stop gap until Hunter Pence is ready, which could be as soon as '08. Kid projects to be pretty good, however Pence should only play LF due to defensive limitations, but he's now blocked. Also, the signing of Woody Williams makes up for a tiny fraction of what they had in Pettitte and Clemens. Neither are going to be back most likely. So together Woody and Lee project to be good for around 6 or 7 wins above replacement. When you subtract Clemens and Pettitte, figure maybe Ensberg rebounds and Hirsh does okay, the Astros aren't picking up ground, they're probably losing it or just maintaining.
Speaking of Woody, outside of Mussina resigning with the Yanks to no great suprise, he's the first domino in the FA pitcher line to fall. I'd guess the 2y/$12.5 mil deal maybe sets the bar for the mid-tier arms going rate. Well, kinda. Woody's 40 and hasn't pitched over 160 innings since '04. And maybe he's giving the Astros the home discount a tiny bit. The younger arms will be looking for more then $6m now, I'd guess. It's crazy to think Carpenter made $6.5 mil last season, and will be making $7 mil the next. What would the asking price be for him in this market? $14 or even as high as $17 mil a season perhaps? With the Cardinals looking primarily in the mid-tier pool of free agent pitchers, it seems extremely unfair to think that Jeff Weaver, Adam Eaton or whoever's in the rotation will be making as much or maybe more money then Carpenter will in '07. But I suppose no one put a gun to Carp's head, much credit to Jocketty for knowing when to pounce.
Other tidbits:
Miklasz did say that the Cardinals are interested in Jason Schmidt but he recently switched agents to the Hendricks Brothers, the same guys who snookered the Astros into paying Roger Clemens $22 mil for 19 starts last season.
Adam Kennedy is seeking a 4y/$18 mil deal. In this crazy market, that almost doesn't sound totally awful. If that 4th year can be an option, maybe you got something there. He's also a type B free agent, so no losing out an a draft pick. Loretta is a type A free agent.
I'd have to imagine roster moves are soon forthcoming. It's fun watching teams burning through cash and all, but the Birds are gonna have to do some spending of their own pretty soon here. It'll be interesting to see if they too don't find themselves swept up in the insanity, or if they can remain smart and thrifty without losing out. I hope they do something soon, if but for conversation's sake.
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I still wanna call...
The Cardinals will sign Kip Wells for the 5th spot in the rotation.
Vicente Padilla is the best overall free agent fit for the Cardinals, but I don't believe he will be signed.
Mulder signs a 3-year deal.
Brian Lawerence will certainly come up, possibly be considered and perhaps given a non-gauranteed spring training invite.
I don't believe the Cardinals will sign Jason Schmidt, Adam Eaton, or Gil Meche
Zach Day's name might come up... but probably not.
by ilillillli on Nov 25, 2006 3:59 AM EST 0 recs
I think jock will
by Zubin on Nov 25, 2006 4:39 AM EST 0 recs
I'd still like to see him make a ....
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Nov 25, 2006 11:33 AM EST
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seems like he might not be on the radar right now
OPS+
2004 - 105
2005 - 115
2006 - 93 (88 in Chicago, 108 in second half in San Diego)
I'd rather see Duncan in the two hole if he can maintain his .360 OBP and bat Walker 6th or so but Walker could also fill in that slot as well.
by azruavatar on
Nov 25, 2006 11:59 AM EST
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those are Walker's numbers for the last 3 years
by azruavatar on
Nov 25, 2006 12:00 PM EST
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Orioles
by Lawless on
Nov 25, 2006 4:38 PM EST
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Woody on the Astros
by madding on Nov 25, 2006 5:20 AM EST 0 recs
Since...
Why not point out that Pence has a bit of a problem with the sauce?
by guayzimi on Nov 25, 2006 5:44 AM EST 0 recs
if 1 dui is enough
by erik on
Nov 25, 2006 10:24 AM EST
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didn't jim bowden get arrested
by erik on
Nov 25, 2006 4:57 PM EST
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Oh sure...
Chances are this is a perfectly normal kid who made a mistake, got caught, and will move on without a hitch. But what did we say in the 2000 NLDS when that first pitch from Ankiel went to the backstop? Ah, it got away from him... ball one...
by guayzimi on
Nov 25, 2006 6:05 PM EST
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Rick Ankiel
by azruavatar on
Nov 25, 2006 6:12 PM EST
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I'd say it also depends on the specifics
by Zubin on
Nov 27, 2006 3:56 AM EST
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I think you're dead on about Lee
This doesn't even take into account the fact that he's 30, his defense is horrendous and his weight is getting there. In 2-3 years he'll need to be a DH (or maybe a 1B, but Berkman's at 1B) and the Astros will be looking to unload him. Of course, this won't be an easy contract to unload either. Who's gonna pay $17 million and players for a DH? It'll be a salary dump. They just got one albatross contract (Bagwell) off the books and replaced it with another.
by houstoncardinal on Nov 25, 2006 11:41 AM EST 0 recs
interesting read
by erik on Nov 25, 2006 1:29 PM EST 0 recs
Clemens
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/houston-astros.html
by socalcardsfan on Nov 25, 2006 2:59 PM EST 0 recs
lee's signing and defense...
But, w/respect to his poor defense, I think it will be mitigated somewhat due to park factors 81 games this season.
Brian
by HoosierCardFan on Nov 25, 2006 3:21 PM EST 0 recs
has the green monster
by erik on
Nov 25, 2006 4:59 PM EST
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going to the other extreme to make the point....
by HoosierCardFan on
Nov 26, 2006 1:17 PM EST
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Brewer's trade
Not sure why the Brewers would give up Davis AND Eveland who projects well for a slight upgrade at catcher, a 5th starter and a journeyman reliever. Seems like a win for the Diamondbacks even if Davis doesn't bounce back from last year.
by azruavatar on Nov 25, 2006 3:26 PM EST 0 recs
Bernie posted Duncan's Bill James projection
I think that would be great production from left field but I'd rather see it further down in the order than the two slot.
Maybe:
Eckstein
Todd Walker
Pujols
Duncan
Rolen
Edmonds
Encarnacion
Molina
Pitcher
Jimmy's OBP appears underutilized by this lineup but he's been so vocal in the past about not liking to bat in the 2 hole. Meh, I dunno, I would love to see 30+ HRs from Duncan for league minimum.
by azruavatar on Nov 26, 2006 1:06 AM EST 0 recs
Interesting question
How do they go about deciding who to acquire and who to trade?
by Red in Chicago on Nov 26, 2006 1:58 PM EST 0 recs
Here's to the Astros
I hope Kennedy signs with Toronto, I like him but he's not what we need. Walker would be good if only because we wouldn't have to face him anymore. I think Belly is the best free agent out there now, but not at the price he'll demand. We should just be patient and go with Miles if we are looking at $4-5 million a year for an average player. He's nearly as good as Kennedy, anyway.
by orlando card on Nov 26, 2006 2:31 PM EST 0 recs
I like Kennedy
by houstoncardinal on
Nov 26, 2006 4:50 PM EST
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Kennedy
But as far as Kennedy not being able hit lefties, Miles actually splits better as a right-handed batter. So I guess you could have a possible platoon situation at 2B. sigh
Miles vs. LHP - .291 / .738
(vs. RHP - .256 / .654)
Kennedy vs. RHP - .291 / .759
(vs. LHP - .193 / .533)
At least Durham would provide some pop, and the Ganster of Glove would swing his dreads off. I don't know, I am not excited about 2B or Adam Kennedy.
by plh903 on
Nov 26, 2006 5:48 PM EST
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On 2nd base
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Nov 26, 2006 5:59 PM EST 0 recs
I don't like
by DimitroffVodka on Nov 26, 2006 6:26 PM EST 0 recs
Pettite
Carpenter
Pettite
Reyes
??(Wolf, Lilly)
??(Mulder, Wainwright)
by Bird Watcher on Nov 26, 2006 9:33 PM EST 0 recs
carlos lee, pitchers
i think that comment by mgl got a whole lot of play - i put it on MY carlos entries too.
i was REAL upset he got signed for so long. all the other stros fans are upset that i am calling him carlos lard and arguing that he won't last.
he is a terrible fielder - you've seen him just as much as me - and LF is very hard to play in the Box - you best believe that lardbutt won't make it near the corner where the LF bullpen is.
he's around chris duncan quality. seriously.
tlr is NOT stupid and he gonna tell all the rightys to pull the ball.
and yall dead right about hunter pence. luke scott can't play right neither, so i would guess they gonna be traded for something. they fer SHER won't fetch no #2 starter and that is what we need. i mean, i luuuvvv woody and he is almost crying he so happy to be playing for the stros BUT the boy don't really last longern 80 pitches and he fragile.
- now i think that ray durham is the best available 2B, but yall better keep miles around...
- pettitte and clemens
- pitchers: i think meche is terrible - good luck. but if duncan can make weaver decent, hey, dude is a miracle worker. i'd sign lilly.
i heard that mulder definitely isn't coming back to st louis, but of course thats probably just rumors.
- i was REAL surprised the brewers gave up so fast on dana eveland - i mean the guy is young - like, what 22, and they'd rather have claudio freaking vargas??? estrada is a singles hitter who won't walk, gidp a lot and wear out his welcome every where he goes. will be interesting to see how he deals with being a backup again when he thinks he should start.
by lisa gray on Nov 26, 2006 11:00 PM EST 0 recs
Baltimore just signed
by houstoncardinal on Nov 26, 2006 11:47 PM EST 0 recs
I like Chris Ray
by azruavatar on
Nov 27, 2006 12:03 AM EST
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Chris Ray
But realistically, with the closer role being so overvalued, and Izzy inevitably returning at some point, I would rather just hang on to Duncan and slide Wainwright into the rotation anyway.
We could just have Josh the Batboy close until Izzy gets back.
I jest.
But, I would rather not trade Duncan's production for 2 month's worth of Saves.
How much service time does Ray have? If we were to control him for 4 years or so, it might be very well worth it.
Of course, I would be happy for Duncan hitting 40 HRs in Baltimore just like I am so happy for Dan Haren. It would make me want to kick puppies.
by plh903 on
Nov 27, 2006 12:26 AM EST
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Ray has 1.5 years service time
by azruavatar on
Nov 27, 2006 1:25 AM EST
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Carpenter
by john vb on Nov 27, 2006 5:24 PM EST 0 recs














