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first off: a tip of the cap to woody williams. he's still a cardinal in my book; the guy has a big heart and pitched a good game, gave his team a chance to win. i'm sorry the redbirds' victory came at his expense.

carpenter showed that he's got a bit of heart, too. after an ugly 35-pitch battle with himself in the 1st, he ditched his errant curveball and started flinging fastballs at the padres in a cold fury. made his 2d pass through the san diego lineup on only 30 pitches, of which 28 were fastballs by my count; only 1 guy reached base in that stretch, branyan on a scratch single. carpenter eventually recalled the curveball from exile but seemed to keep it under house arrest -- only threw it from ahead in the count, never more than once in an at-bat. even adrian gonzalez, who floundered against carpenter's hook in game 1, got one fastball after another. so much wickeder the contrast, then, when the brats came out of the bullpen snapping off sliders and curves. the young relievers didn't have any help last night from shadows at home plate, nor diving stops by the 2d baseman; just threw their breaking stuff for strikes, as they did all series, and kept mowing guys down. tyler johnson faced 12 men in this series and struck out 6 of them; wainwright faced 14 guys and also whiffed 6. as a group, the relievers had more strikeouts (16) than baserunners allowed (15); the cardinals didn't yield a single homer in the 4 games.

fan (non)favorite juan encarnacion took a coupla uncharacteristically patient at-bats last night in the middle of st louis' two rallies. in the first, batting with two on and two out and st louis trailing 2-0, he laid off the type of pitches -- breaking balls on the outside corner -- he so often gets himself out on and drew a walk, loading the bases for belliard (who tied it with a single). and in the 6th en'cion got another outside curve and, instead of trying to pull it, stayed back on the pitch and took it the other way -- into the right field corner for the triple that drove in the go-ahead run.

la russa had another flawless night. his two lineup crashers (wilson and spiezio) both got important hits, as did the guy he batted out of position (belliard). tony didn't call for the squeeze when ev'ybody was looking for it -- ie, with carpenter batting and st louis ahead 4-2 -- and then immediately flashed the sign when everyone stopped looking for it, ie after branyan's error; beautiful timing. and when carp finally tired, la russa did the opposite of what he did in this game and relieved his ace before things got out of hand. the st louis bullpen got 26 outs in defense of a lead in this series, and 24 of'm were recorded by rookies. i've been trolling baseball-reference.com looking for a comparable skew toward 1st-year relievers in the postseason; closest analog i've found so far (and try not to laugh) is the bullpen of the great 1975 cincinnati reds, whose co-closers that season were both rookies (rawly eastwick and will mcenaney). those two and a third rookie, pat darcy, tossed nearly 20 innings of relief in the '75 world series; give the cards johnny bench behind the plate and joe morgan at 2b and they just might have a shot at this.

every postseason, a few players exhibit skills they're not known for -- a tom lawless or jose oquendo hits a game-changing homer, or a brandon backe throws a shutout. these performances come not as a shock but as a cliche -- ho hum, another unlikely october hero. but a manager playing against type? that you don't see every year. we saw it in this divisional series, though. the same skipper who rode mulder marquis and isringhausen nearly all the way down to the .500 mark -- who spent so much of the summer explaining problems away, ignoring options, sticking with the tried and (no longer) true -- abruptly became a font of bold ideas, like moving josh kinney (whose big-league resume runs to 25 innings) into the role braden looper is being paid $4 million to fill. it's no shock that a guy like kinney should step up in october, only that he should get the chance to do so in tony la russa's bullpen.

la russa will need a few more bright ideas of this type (hint hint: one of'm wears #23) to make a series of it against the potent new york roster. he may also have to confront another october cliche, viz.: hot hands can go ice-cold without warning. the bullpen whiz kids of the last 4 games might not whiz right along in the next 7 games. but there wouldn't be a next 7 games if not for those rooks --- or the manager who let em go out there and pitch.

oh gosh -- almost forgot a limerick for the clincher:

one round down -- the first hurdle cleared
and the cards didn't trip, as we feared
praises to carp and pu
and the kid 'penners too
but above all: respect the playoff beard!

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Yowza!
FWIW, the SI web site has Reyes listed as the starter of game 4 in STL.  Do they know something LaDuncan hasn't told the rest of us?

Damn, I'm even starting to get attached to Belliard.  He's a goofball, but he's OUR goofball.

Speaking of goofballs, you've gotta get that photo of TLR wearing the blue towel last night up on the site.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 9, 2006 8:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Job La Russa
And good job to all the underdogs (Belliard, Spiezo, rookies, Weaver, Wilson). At least they, together with the usual suspects, showed to be hungry for the win, respectful of the game, never worried of the "favorites".

I foresee the Cards go to the WS beating the Mets in 6 games.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Oct 9, 2006 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tidbit from last night...
I was listening to the postgame on KTRS- Claibs mentioned that JEd got the team together before the media were allowed in and basically said, "Enjoy tonite boys, because tomorrow we get back to business." He may have slowed a step or three, but he's still a leader on this team; I like it.

by cardsrul on Oct 9, 2006 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought one of the Fox shots
from the locker room showed Edmonds standing and talking to everyone.

by sdrone on Oct 9, 2006 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and...
edmonds gave a game ball to encarnacion.

BTW, my son came up with the nickname In-con-sis-ti-on for juan, which is a good thing, in that he's not being conisistently bad! ;)

by thatsawinner on Oct 9, 2006 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just gonna start calling him
"Triple."    Every game I watch seems to involve giving up a triple to right field.

by sdrone on Oct 9, 2006 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats...
to our redbirds on securing a chance at another nl pennant, but remember this: if carp's first inning had been against the mets, they would have had a five-nothing lead, not a two-nothing lead.
our pitching in the post season has been better than it was most of the year, but it has to stay that way for us to keep this magic going.

by gthedamned on Oct 9, 2006 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool
I'm personally slightly glad that Carpenter had to pitch on Sunday.  Tony now has no reason to try the 1-4-7 thing with him, which likely would have been a disaster.

I think the Cards can (obviously) count on Carpenter to give them a shot twice.  And I like the Redbird's chances against Perez in Game 4.  (I assume he'll start that one - he was slated to start Game 4 in the NLDS, if needed).  So....if they can just find a way to win 1 other game in this series....well, you never know.

Please, for the love of God, add Reyes to the NLCS Roster!!!

by Robb on Oct 9, 2006 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NLCS Roster
When and where can we look to find a roster for the NLCS? Since the AL has to post one tommorrow, I figure the NL would have to do the same, right?
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 9, 2006 9:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excuse my basic ignorance but...
  1. Can the roster just be switched up without an injury?  I thought once active rosters were set for the postseason, they were set.  
  2.  I know I saw Reyes last night in uniform at the game.  They let players not on the active roster just get suited up and hang out?  Are all the odd 15 men out of the active roster just hangint out?
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Oct 9, 2006 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#2
I know that the guys not on the roster suit up and hang out.  They showed Narverson and Reyes on the telecast last night and reports had Mulder there as well.

by jroman on Oct 9, 2006 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#1
Yes, teams can not only switch around who is on the rosters between rounds, but they can switch the number of pitchers vs. position players as well.  Technically, I believe this is against the rules, but teams do it every year.  

I know, for example, that the Marlins carried 10 pitchers in the NLDS in 2003, then went to 11 in the NLCS.

The Cardinals tend try to follow the rules more by the book, but hopefully they don't in this round.  The last thing we need is Marquis in Game 4.

by Robb on Oct 9, 2006 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Oct 9, 2006 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should be up on the website
the stl. today site, or the mlb site, but i'm pretty sure it's not due until the day before.  for instance, the ny/la series had their lds rosters in a day later than the other three series.

by sdesserman on Oct 9, 2006 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The roster needs to be set on
Wednesday by 10am EST as shown here. Your best bet for finding the roster when it is released is here.

by outraged on Oct 9, 2006 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Brats!
Excellent nickname.

I'm liking the way TLR is managing these games.  His stuff is working so far.   The squeeze setup was perfect last night.

by sdrone on Oct 9, 2006 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Agree
Bullpen Brats.  best nickname yet for the '06 redbirds followed by:
  1.  Bill Brasky
  2.  The Imperial - I laughed so hard when I figured out the fox guys were talking about his facial hair.
  3. Bullpen Brats - The 3 pitchers have earned that nickname.  If Reyes can pitch some scoreless innings , then we can lose the Bullpen.
Viva El Bratos.

by Schnake on Oct 9, 2006 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Respectfully Disagree....
on one LaRussa point...CARP NEVER SHOULD HAVE STARTED THE 8TH...WHY? He had already thrown 100 pitches...had it been Cameron and Barfield due, well, then maybe.  But it was Giles and Gonzalez.  Flores/Johnson should have started the 8th.  Other than that, great job!

by stanchar on Oct 9, 2006 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i guess it's a judgment call...
... but Carp had been cruising for the last 5 innings, and had a 4-run lead so his margin for error was a little bit greater. i think TLR was right to leave him in, and was right to pull him when he did.

by kindred on Oct 9, 2006 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you here
Carp had just passed over 100 last inning and was laboring all night with his pitches.  Why not just let the pen start the inning?  I was actually somewhat surprized TLR didn't PH for him during that rally with the bases loaded and only 1 out.

On a side note, does anyone think Looper may be getting frustrated watching all the rook's trot out there before him?  Not that I wanted him to pitch, but I know I wouldn't like it.  

please no Marquis

by Just Rope Ball on Oct 9, 2006 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey
if it puts a ring on his finger, I think he'd be fine with it.  Besides, he's still getting his million$.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 9, 2006 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

carp had retired
17 of 20 batters heading into the 8th inning and hadn't allowed a runner into scoring position. when your ace is on a roll like that, it's justifiable (to say the least) to leave him in. he started the inning at 90-something pitches.

it wasn't very long ago that this bullpen couldn't close a game to save its life; i don't blame tony at all for staying with carp. i think he made the right call.

by lboros on Oct 9, 2006 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had no problem...
with Tony sending Carp out for the 8th.

However, I would have pulled him after the lead-off single. Bring in TJ to face Gonzalez. Lefty vs Lefty.

"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 9, 2006 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
Especially since the 7th was a 1-2-3 inning in which Carp didn't struggle for a second. I'd have put him in too--and pulled him exactly when TLR did. I'm so used to TLR doing the exact opposite of what my call would have been that it's kinda scaring me that I agreed with damn near every decision he made this entire series. Either I'm learning something or he is. Or we're both lucky idiots. Whatever--it all worked.

by rockin redbird on Oct 9, 2006 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pulling Carpenter
I thought TLR had it right.

Carpenter had been getting outs, and the Giles hit was not hard hit. When Gonzalez got the solid hit, TLR lifted Carp.

As LB notes, he did the right thing.

Dave

by Sydney dave on Oct 9, 2006 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had no problem with it
That is, Carp starting the 8th once he wasn't pinch hit for (which I would have probably done).  However, I think he should have been pulled once the first runner reached instead of leaving him in until two were on.  Of course, if Gonzalez's liner had been 6-8 inches lower, Belliard catches it and Carp is in good shape to stay in.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 9, 2006 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wall Street Journal Baseball Essay Contest
From the WSJ:

Maybe someone here (LB?) cough-cough nudge-nudge could compose something for our beloved birds.

OK, you Mets, Cardinals, A's and Tigers fans, the Fix has a job for you. We're looking for a fan of the two pennant winners to write an ode to that club. Why are you a fan? Why root for the uniform -- in other words, what characteristics does your team have year-in and year-out, even as the cast of characters changes? Why should the Fates smile on them in this year's postseason?
Send a quick account of yourself and why you're the perfect fan for the job to dailyfix@wsj.com. We want to see that you've got the bona fides, and that you can write. Deadline: Friday at noon ET. If we pick you, we'll let you know what comes next -- assuming, of course, your team makes it to the World Series

The '06 Cardinals- The New '96 Cardinals? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 9, 2006 10:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Change your sig. again
The '06 Cardinals - The New '05 White Sox?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 9, 2006 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all hope,
in time.
The '06 Cardinals- The New '96 Cardinals? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 9, 2006 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zubin.....
I think YOU are the only person for this job....

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may require
a degree of optimism.  Hmm, I don't know if I can do this.
The '06 Cardinals- The New '96 Cardinals? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 9, 2006 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...
thus why I think you should accept the challenge grasshopper......

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or then again, maybe not...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/10/8/23642/9905/186#186.
The '06 Cardinals- The New '96 Cardinals? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 9, 2006 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
I'm not sure if everyone's ready to attribute magical powers to your endless pessimism just yet ...

by dontEATnachos on Oct 9, 2006 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor am I...
The '06 Cardinals- The New '96 Cardinals? (Sorry, but I have to be real about our chances)

by Zubin on Oct 9, 2006 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ty Johnson
has been filthy.  He struck out one batter (RIGHT HANDED TOO!!!) last night (can't remember who) on a wicked slider.  Made him fall into the left-handed batter's box almost.  I really disliked him in the regular season, but he's growing on me now.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 9, 2006 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Post-Dispatch reporting ...
the details of the Rolen/TLR meeting that led to him being pulled from the lineup. Some testiness on the manager's part after being constantly reassured by SR that "the shoulder's OK - I can play." Luckily, that dead spot in the order didn't cost the Cards anything too dear, and now the ice has been broken for Speizio to start at 3rd.
I've been a vocal irritant on the Rolen situation for several weeks here, and while I'm relieved to see Speizio take over and end this period of collective denial and obfuscation, I want nothing more than a healthy Rolen to reclaim his spot on the field and in the order and START BANGING THE $#@#$ BALL like the stud that he is. It's been too damn long.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 9, 2006 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see both sides
He started the inning w/ 102 pitches.  He's going to start game 3 either way so it didn't matter if he was at 102 or 122.  Once we left him in to bat with the bases loaded I agree w/ letting him start the inning.  I agree that LaDunc pulled him @ the appropriate time, before the tying run came to the plate.  I've not fealt that TLR had a great season in the dugout but he's been brilliant going back to holding carp back on the final day of the regular season.  I think that I'd rather see Dream Weaver go game one on full rest rather than Soup on short.

by toris34 on Oct 9, 2006 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
especially considering how sharp weaver looked in the DS.  

the only pitcher I could stomach seeing on short rest is Carp.  

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not 120
I think larussa was ok to leave carp in for the eigth.  capr just needed to get a 12-15 pitch inning and it wasn't shaping up to be one of those.  120 is the breaking point for most pitchers.  they tend to show a drop off in performance for the next starts after 120.  no way we wanted that.

NO SHORT REST!!!! lets just trust what we got and see if these guys are good enough.  as nuch as i would like to see carp 3 games, it has proven nuts to throw a pitcher that much.

by BigJawnMize on Oct 9, 2006 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except for a few
who have shone when put on the mound on short rest--i.e., Johnson, Schilling, Gibson, off of the top of my head.

I read somewhere that throwing a starter on short rest is worth about .6 or so points on the players' ERA--Carp is still better than the other options with this penalty, and that's assuming that he can't rise to the challenge when needed the most.

It might be worth a gamble trying it if the team makes the WS and the pitching matchups allow it to make sense.

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with ya
there, V. I don't think it needs to be tried in the LCS, but if they actually make it to the WS, then hell, give it a shot IF NEEDED. If it works, it'll be money--those kinda gambles are what could bring home the ring.

by rockin redbird on Oct 9, 2006 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.6 on the ERA.
That's an average.  I'd be willing to bet that it's a bimodal curve--that either the short rest has almost no effect, or a great, big, hairy effect.  Why take chances?  

by Archaeopteryx on Oct 9, 2006 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because it's Carp
and he's vastly better than any of the other options.

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

La Russa's nature
This from this week's SI:

"LaRussa says he never changes his mind after deciding to remove a pitcher, nor does he engage in banter on the mound: 'I'm basically a humorless man.' "

pretty funny coming from a man in a towel. (He did say--kidding?--he did that because the beer and champagne are so cold, he was afraid they might stop his heart.)

by thatsawinner on Oct 9, 2006 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver
Since Weaver seems to be the consensus for game 1 I went looking for stats.  

Here are his career stats against the Mets.  Delgado is 19 for 38 with an OPS of 1.594 (OUCH!!) with a few of the other putting up decent number also.

But if he can hold them to 2 runs like This Game we may have a chance.  (Don't look at that link if you don't want to relive a Izzy implosion.)

by Just Rope Ball on Oct 9, 2006 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
read the wrong line. He gave up 4 runs.

by Just Rope Ball on Oct 9, 2006 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE METS ARE POND SCUM!
Ok I'll be the 1st to say it and get it over with.
We are the Cardinals, the Mighty Mighty Cardinals!

by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone remember
the exact origin of the "Pond Scum" thing, BTW?  I know it was common back in the 80's but who started it? Broadcasters? Players?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 9, 2006 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JC Cochran on one of his radio talk shows
I also remember Ozzie hating it, and asking fans to be more positive.

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is positive!
They did this study at the NI. It came back concluding pond scum is actually more healthy than the (met)ropolitan area of NY!
We are the Cardinals, the Mighty Mighty Cardinals!

by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's our Ozzie,
Mr. Positive at all times!  =D

Unless you're referring to Ozzie Guillen.  I'm sure he'd love the Pond Scum thing, and might even come up with a better name that isn't quite as child-safe.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 9, 2006 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morning Radio guy in STL
JC comes to mind... but i'm not exactly sure of his name. I'll know it as soon as someone says it.
We are the Cardinals, the Mighty Mighty Cardinals!

by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More on this bit...
Yeah, it was JC Cochran,when he was with KSHE, back in 1985.  One of his bits was to call a random number in New York and to hassle the people on the other end, telling them that the METS were pondscum and trying to get a reaction out of them.  Interestingly, the two guys he actually ended up reaching (can't remember THEIR names...benny and someone, maybe?) were like these exchange students who were just as pleasant and funny as they could be, didn't care a lick about the Mets, didn't have a TV set, and provided some excellent radio.  JC ended up hooking them up with a TV so they could watch the end of the season and root for the Cardinals, which they did.  All in all, very funny.

by tinstl on Oct 9, 2006 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah...
KSHE. Sad it's become just another classic rock station. Used to be on the cutting edge--turned me on to all kinds of lesser-known HEAVY bands in the mid-70's: Sir Lord Baltimore, Cactus, Dragonfly, Rory Gallagher, Bull Angus, Pink Fairies, early Motorhead, on and on. And they played whole album sides of it! They played the usual Zep, BOC, Sabbath, UFO etc. too, but now that's all they play--and of course only the radio hits. There's a lot more to Classic Rock than "Stairway To Heaven" and "Free Bird", dammit. Erasing the joint from Sweetmeat's mouth was the last straw. Anyway, sad. Another pillar of my misspent youth turned to jello. Sorry so off-topic, but the mentions of JC brought back a flood of good memories.  

by rockin redbird on Oct 9, 2006 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They've all
gone that way in recent years. In my area, we have one rock station, and half its playlist is classic rock.

by cardsrul on Oct 9, 2006 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Corcoran
For the record, it's J.C. Corcoran.

He's on K-hits, FM 96.3, on the mornings. He's worth listening to.

Yes, KSHE is sad.

The only radio stations worth listening to in St. Louis are KDHX (from time to time) and KCLC.

If 96.3 plays a few more REM songs (heard one this weekend), they might be worth listening to.

Dave

by Sydney dave on Oct 9, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rolen...
I read and heard a lot that Rolen had only informed LaRussa that he was hurting after game 3.    And this was news to Tony.    

What???? Anyone that watches him bat game after game can see that Rolen is just not himself at the plate, and hasn't been for a month.     The same thing with Izzy and Mulder.  After

Is this just LaRussa's way of blaming his players for his managerial problems?

I remember a hurt Rolen in the 2004 playoffs being very ineffective at the plate... or Walker in the 2005 playoffs.    Why does TLR insist on using hurt and majorly slumping players in playoff games?

by redbird2006in on Oct 9, 2006 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a tough call...
when the player insists he can go. Yes, the manager should provide necessary oversight on those matters, but when the team is in a bind and facing the biggest collapse of all time, well, you probably want to trust the player to be honest. Remember how quickly Rolen came out of a slump when Albert went down earlier in the season? Rolen carried the whole team for awhile. I'm sure TLR was hoping Rolen was being honest with him and could do it again. I agree with you mostly, but I think it's a tougher decision than we can know.

by rockin redbird on Oct 9, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, especially in the postseason
where you just need to get the guy through a few more games, and gauge just how hurt they are.  A slightly dinged Scott Rolen is better than almost any substitute that you could bring in for him, healthy or not.  

The problem was, he wasn't just slightly dinged.  It's a judgment call--he tried to play through it, and when he realized he couldn't, he talked to the coach.  He probably took it too far, but the basics of what he did weren't horrible.

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's further
confirmation that Rolen will often exaggerate how good he's feeling.  If I were his manager the lesson I'd learn is to trust my own instincts based on what I see, and sit the lad down a little more often.

I don't think this lets TLR off the hook.  I can understand Tony being a little peeved about this, but I would have expected him to have a little better insight into a player he's managed for 5 years.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 9, 2006 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like....
a 4:00 start WED?

by stanchar on Oct 9, 2006 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Might be right....
an online sportsbook I saw said 4:00...

by stanchar on Oct 9, 2006 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least I can see some justification
for this, as west coast A's fans won't get scrwed as badly by an early start (though MLB had no qualms about starting OAK/MIN at noon, and then StL/SD at 3:00, but whatever).  But still... that's a bit obnoxious.

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only time
that i can find is on the stltoday website for 7:20 central, but i'm not sure that's official since neither mlb not the cards homepage has a time, instead indicating tbd.

by sdesserman on Oct 9, 2006 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to one Fox site
it is a split national broadcast starting at 7pm. The same time as ALCS game 2. Link can be found here. Looking at my Tivo's guide data, they'll atleast be showing the alternate game on FX for those of us that end up with the Oakland/Detroit game on FOX.

by outraged on Oct 9, 2006 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FSN showed 7:00
They posted a schedule last night (don't know where they got their info) listing games 3 & 6 at 3 central and all the rest at 7.

A 4/3 central start Wed. would make sense as that would put the AL game starting around 7 central/5 local time in Oakland.  If both games are shown nationally, we would definitely be the early game.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 9, 2006 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good post
I felt the same thing for the Woodman.  Felt bad that it came at his expense, but it is the playoffs and we are off to the NLCS.  Bullpen is looking good.  I might be wrong but I don't think they allowed a run in the four games of the division series.  If so, is that the pens longest scoreless streak of the year???

I am feeling really good about this team.  Peaking at the right time perhaps???

Love comes mostly in RED!

by bleedred06 on Oct 9, 2006 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they didn't even pack for a game 5
From John Rodriquez's playoff blog

"You know why we didn't pack for a possible trip to San Diego? Because Albert Pujols said not to. That man was angry after yesterday's game. And when he's angry, we just jump on his back. And we jumped on Carp's back, and from there we just ride. That man predicted it. So I know I wasn't one that was going to disobey him."

by DarkHelmut on Oct 9, 2006 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you remember Eck's walk-off slam last year
J-rod was in the hole and Albert walked over to him, took his bat, and threw it down the stairs saying that he wasn't gonna need it.  Eck was on deck.
R.I.P. Chris Collins

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 9, 2006 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny
I laughed my ass off last year when I heard what Pujols told him. J-Rod said it was the funniest and wierdest moment he had in baseball. He wasn't sure if he should pick up the bat and play it off as a joke, or just sit there and agree with AP and do what he says.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 9, 2006 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's always best
to agree with AP and do what he says.

by rockin redbird on Oct 9, 2006 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New York could be in shock after the NLCS
The weather forecast for the NLCS is rain on Wednesday and thunderstorms on Thursday.  I'm hoping one of those games is rained out.  Here are two scenarios of how the Cardinals COULD win this series, especially if one of the first two games is rained out:

Wed.  Weaver (on extra day of rest) loses to Glavine, in a close game, even though Jeff pitches very well

Thu.   Suppan (on regular rest) loses to Maine, in a close game (or wins this game but loses game 6)

Sat.   Carpenter (on extra day of rest) defeats Trachsel easily

Sun.   Reyes (or even Marquis, on a short leash) defeats Perez

Mon.  Weaver (regular rest) loses to Glavine in another close game

Wed.  Suppan (extra day of rest) defeats Maine this time

Thu.   Carpenter (regular rest) defeats Trachsel.

Cards win NLCS 4-3

ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO, WITH A RAINOUT IN NEW YORK THIS WEDNESDAY OR, MORE LIKELY, ON THURSDAY:

Wed. or Thu.  Weaver loses to Glavine

Fri.    Carpenter (on regular rest) defeats Maine

Sat.   Suppan defeats Trachsel

Sun.   Reyes or Marquis defeats Perez

Mon.  Weaver loses to Glavine in another close game

Wed.  Carpenter defeats Maine

Cards win NLCS 4-2

Wouldn't New York be in shock?!

by CardsWin on Oct 9, 2006 1:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beautiful
scenarios. Oh that we should be so lucky. Where's the number of that Rainmaker I met in Oklahoma...

by rockin redbird on Oct 9, 2006 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or....
I really think Weaver might stifle the Mets, like he did the friars, because, earlier in the year, his performance was really not that awful (two hrs to Delgado hurt, but Carlos is a heck of a baller, and because he's gotten much better. If Weaver can shock the world, then I think we might cruise to a WS. Big if, but I think Blondo has some gas in the tank.

by fuegophil on Oct 9, 2006 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weaver vs the Mets...
he didn't do TOO bad last time. We would've won the game but Izzy gave up the walkoff to Beltran. Weaver only really had trouble with Carlos Delgado, who drove in 6 runs I believe (2 homeruns)
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 9, 2006 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NY weather forecast
from http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/iwszone?Sites=:nyz072

THURSDAY

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS LIKELY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 60S. CHANCE OF RAIN 60 PERCENT.

THURSDAY NIGHT
SHOWERS LIKELY. THUNDERSTORMS LIKELY IN THE
EVENING...THEN A CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS AFTER MIDNIGHT. LOWS IN THE LOWER 50S. CHANCE OF RAIN 60 PERCENT.

by fandomismasochism on Oct 9, 2006 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Makeups
So, let's say the first two games get rained out......where is the next two games played?  Would they be played in the cities of games 3 and 4 or would they be played in the city of games 1 and 2?

by JxMetal on Oct 9, 2006 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The first two games will be played in NYC period..
....unless an earthquake damages the stadium a la Oakland/SF in 1988(?).

by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 9, 2006 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They would just push everything back.
Nothing would get skipped.  They'll stay in NY until they get 2 games played.

by toris34 on Oct 9, 2006 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There would also
be no travel day in between. The WS is set to start on the 21st.

by cardsrul on Oct 9, 2006 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't mean to get all sappy on you
But I'd like to give a shout-out to VEB commenter effin fisk for starting his playoff beard blog. Myself and others have taken his cue and are growing our own versions.

While it has no bearing on the games, I think it is fostering a greater sense of community in Tha Nation.

Mad props to Evan for getting the ball rolling, and to you, Larry, for promoting it.

Go Cards! Go beards!

by 26thMan on Oct 9, 2006 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How true...
I completely agree with you 26thMan. I wish that I could grow my very own playoff beard, but facial hair is not allowed in my workplace. It sucks, I know. I had a goatee for 5 years before I started working here and then I had to chop it off.

On another note, I'm feeling good about this team, and I felt good about them the entire series. I'm attributing their poise to the fact that I'm not purchasing tickets for any of the playoff games. I figured I bought some playoff tickets for all of the postseasons since 2000, and they never won. So, I'm not purchasing any tickets this year. With my (and all of Cardinal Nation's) luck, this will be the year they win it all.

Go Cards!

by bsutherland on Oct 9, 2006 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am itching to shave
I want to shave so bad. My beard is starting to itch.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 9, 2006 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mine too.
such is the price of loyalty, i suppose.

by kindred on Oct 9, 2006 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weaver....
not a major observation but one that I haven't noticed anyone taking about yet....did anyone else notice who was one of the first and one of the most animated players when the Cards won last night and came onto the field?...yep...Jeff Weaver...
I have NEVER seen that guy that excited about ANYTHING...he was hooting and hollering and jumping up and down....I mean emotion was just flowing out of this guy.  Now THAT to me?...is a fantastic sign, and one that makes me feel much more confident in him starting game 1.  I know it has nothing to do with pitching or matchups or WHIP's ...but the fact that this guy is that jazzed about winning the first series is just something that gives me a real good feeling about how he will act on the mound on Wed.
GO CARDS!!

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 9, 2006 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or...
... maybe he was just jacked up because he didn't have to pitch Game 5 with the season on his shoulders.

but i agree with the general point: ALL the Cards mid-season acquisitions (Weaver, P-Dub, Thug Life) seemed really excited, as did all the rookies (Dunc, AW, TJ, Kinney).

it's nice to get that emotion. sometimes, with too many veterans who have been to the playoffs a lot, the thrill of the experience might be dulled. but P-Dub and Belly have been waiting a long time for this, Weaver has something to prove, and the Brats are just having a blast. this team is really fun to watch, for maybe the first time this year.

by kindred on Oct 9, 2006 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the mets bloggers
are writing limericks about the cards.

by Jocephus on Oct 9, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me give it the old college try..
The postseason started with queries
Everyone had their own theories
But up next its the Mets
Let's keep talking upsets
The Cards will move on to the series

by Just Rope Ball on Oct 9, 2006 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just on MLB's website...
reading about probable pitches for the NLCS and saw this image at the top of the screen.



I thought it was funny that there's no Detroit or St. Louis pitcher in that picture.  Weird or am I overthinking it?

Also, this is my first post, but hopefully not my last.  I've been growing my post season beard for a couple of weeks now, I'll take a picture of it and put it up somewhere on the net later today.

jerel

by jerel on Oct 9, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look at the santanic look on Mark Mulder's face
like he's saying "Yeah, f*ckerrrrssssssss, hehehehehe"

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahah
yea, he does look evil in that picture

by Jocephus on Oct 9, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at all that
Budweiser being wasted. Oh well it's worth it!
We are the Cardinals, the Mighty Mighty Cardinals!

by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mets Limerick...
...
Many Mets have limbs that are swollen
And the Cards may think they are "Rolen"
But though we are lacking our Ace
We play the Wright way at third base
And Viva El Birdos should expect lots of Mets Trolling

should we take that as a threat? haha.

i love this limerick game.

by kindred on Oct 9, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else think the Mets are overrated?
I mean, look at these lyrics:

I'm sitting here, crying here
You're alone and dying
There waiting for bad news
Like walking on broken glass
No answers from what was asked
You're all alone
Cuz you know that I'd give my life for you
Time can be nothing but our enemy

I mean, no rhyme scheme, whining, emo bullcrap. All I hear from their fans is the Phish arguement- "you have to see them live to appreciate them." LOOK if you can't make good music on an album why should I buy a ticket?

.....ohhhhhh I'm sorry that would be MEST...

Sorry about the confusion- the Mets suck too...

im hopin that some of you are under 25 and will get that joke..

"Seeing a great catch is like watching girls walk by, the last one you see is always the prettiest." Bob Gibson

by SchwabbaMoose on Oct 9, 2006 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where
Where are the pictures you keep referring to? I would love to see a happy Mulder.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 9, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marquis in game four
I was just looking on Yahoo's Cardinal section and they have Marquis vs Pérez in game four.  I sure hope this isn't true.

by pesoto74 on Oct 9, 2006 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's probably safe to say
that they don't know what they're talking about. fingers crossed

by jeff abs on Oct 9, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Cards website......
The question is about Sunday's Game 4, with Anthony Reyes and Jason Marquis the likely contenders. Duncan acknowledged there is a decision to be made. But in the midst of the celebration, he figured it wasn't quite time to make it, or at least to announce the choice. One thing Duncan did say: The Cards have no designs on starting Carpenter on short rest.

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SI.com....
had REYES listed as starting game 4 just fyi...

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hit the wire about an hour ago
Cliff Floyd is DONE for the playoffs.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Injuries....
are really hitting the Mets huh?. I think they have a couple of guys who can step in...but that is one less power bat in the line-up.. I'll sure take it.  Anyone heard any up-dates on Rolen?

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess that's good...
... but Endy Chavez is the kind of player who can give the Cards absolute fits.

by kindred on Oct 9, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep..
very "Dave Robetsesque"...fast as hell...

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He of the .684 career OPS?
The guy who we used to call "Inning-Endy Chavez" when he played for the Nationals?

Man, if this guy gives us fits, we're not fit to advance.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 9, 2006 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavez
I thought Endy Chavez was a waste when the Mets got him.  I am so thankfully, being a Mets fan, that I was wrong.  Forget the Endy Chavez that stunk it up for awhile with a long swing.  This Endy Chavez hits grounders and liners.  That Endy tried to hit homers.  This one uses his speed to make stuff happen
Hernandez  

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he has been better this year...
... a .779 OPS (this year) is respectable for a bench player, but not very good at all for a starting corner OFer on a post-season team.

the thing is, Chavez isn't going to kill us himself.  none of us are afraid of that. but he'll scratch and claw to get on base, and then the other guys will knock him in. that's what i'm afraid of.

by kindred on Oct 9, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just another Met trick
I just heard that Floyd will be on the roster. They're screwing with us. They will probably pitch Perez in game one just to screw with us

by doggydoo from St lou on Oct 9, 2006 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mets rotation.......
Glavine - has historically not been very good in the postseason, out of 33 tries, only 11 wins.

Maine - Who knows? He's certainly been up and down.

Trachsel - All I remember is 9-8-98, and #62.

Oliver Perez - El Hombre's bat flip earlier in the year, right?

Haven't looked at numbers, but on reputation alone, I wouldn't exactly want to trade rotations with these guys. While they obviously have more pop in their lineup, I think we really can inflict some damage on every last member of this rotation.

Are my impressions wrong? Cause I think we could see bushels of crooked numbers put up in this series. In fact, the only people I truly expect to hold either lineup in check is Carp and Supp.  

by fuegophil on Oct 9, 2006 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maine got a big 'ole pat on the back
for his start against the Dodgers, but he had no business leaving that game on his own terms.  The Dodgers had him on the ropes early, and then the Keystone Cops decided to start running the bases.  Maine legitimately gave up 4 hits and recorded 1 out and got out of that inning.  Hopefully Oquendo isn't that stupid if we get in such a situation.

I really think this series is going to come down to who can out slug who.

The pattern to getting to the World Series is:
2 wins from Carp
1 win from Soup
1 win from Reyes or Weaver

Anything better than that is a bonus.

Hopefully we get far enough that Carp has a chance to win 2.  

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 9, 2006 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mets Pitchers
Glavine:  World Series MVP

Maine:  He had his worst start against you guys.  He'll never pitch to Pujols again

Trachsel:  We call him Cy Trachsel but he sucks.  We know this and you know this.  What he's got is dumb luck.  He also had is best appearance of the season against you guys and lost.  He also had one of his sorry outtings and won.

Perez:  He's different from what you guys saw earlier this season.  Still a work in progress but he is consistently hitting the mid 90's with his fastball again.  You'll know by the third if he is good or not.  

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Met fan here
I come in peace.  You know who I am rooting for and I know who you are rooting for.  I'm not here to disrespect you guys.  I have a question.  I'd like to know what Anthony Reyes is all about?  If you guys have any questions about any of our guys, just ask.  

Thanks
Hernandez

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THink of him as our David Wright
but as a pitcher and with 25% less expectations.  HEh.

by sdrone on Oct 9, 2006 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no
I thought that would get me recognized.  my friends call me Tony

Tony Hernandez

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BEWARE OF THE
MOOSE TA CHE!
We are the Cardinals, the Mighty Mighty Cardinals!

by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember '85 and what was said
Thought I'd stop by and say hi y'all.

I like how some of you are praying for enough rain outs to get Carpenter the rest he needs to somehow beat us.

Maybe if there's enough rain outs Carpenter can pitch all 7 games!!!!

And y'all are gonna be very upset when Endy Chavez burns you.  Keep talking about his career OPs and what Philly fans called him (not national fans, good try though)  Go ask a dodger fan what they think of him.

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this guy knows what he's talking about
CHavez is lustful
People trying to hate
I'd rather have him in than Shawn Green
Green Sucks

Tony

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today
Does anyone notice the level of fun as dropped since the Mets people keep writing on here? Just wondering if anyone else noticed that. Let's get back to talking about the Cards...
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 9, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I asked a Cardinals question
I asked about Reyes and all I got was something about him being your David Wright with 25% of the expectations.  I came here not to start stuff.  I'm just want to know what this guy is about since I haven't seen him.  

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reyes can be very good
or very bad. he throws a four-seamer and a changeup; the former sets up the latter. he changes speeds very effectively and keeps guys off balance, gets a lot of strikeouts. when he spots his fastball on the corners, he can be a load. he 1-hit the chisox over 8 innings earlier this year, also had shutdown starts vs the brewers and reds.

trouble is, he's a rookie and doesn't have command ev'y time out. when he leaves the fastball over the plate, it gets hammered. he's prone to give up hrs.

he has a lot of poise and doesn't scare easily. i think he would give the mets some trouble; that changeup can be wicked vs left-handers

la russa doesn't trust him, so he may not even make the roster. if he does, he'll get one start (game 4).

by lboros on Oct 9, 2006 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks alot
Thanks for the scouting report on Reyes, lboros.  I'll check those games out on mlb.tv.  Of our lefty hitters, Floyd is fooled easily against a guy with a good changeup.  Valentin too.  BTW, only the Daily News is reporting Floyd is out.  Not the best sourse.  I was really surprised that the national media took this as gold.    

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one other game
to watch is his last start --- sept 27 (or thereabouts) vs the padres. 6 inn, 1 run. didn't have his best stuff that game, but showed good survival instincts.

by lboros on Oct 9, 2006 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now
I said "25% less expectations" not "25% of the expectations!" heh.

by sdrone on Oct 9, 2006 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go away Met fan
We don't need you here we have enough problems coming to terms with you kicking our butts all over the field. Go back to where you came from.

by doggydoo from St lou on Oct 9, 2006 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude... what's the problem?
the guy asked an honest question about one of our players.  He's been nothing but respectful.

by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What sdrone meant..
if I may be so bold as to put words in his mouth, is that Reyes has been seen a "the next star" for the Cards this year.  A rookie that many fans want to see given a regular starting slot.

He has done very well at AAA, has shown signs of good things in the show, but has also had rough outings like you would expect a rookie to have.  His best pitches are a four-seamer and a very good change.  His most notable outing was an eight inning complete game one hit....loss.. to the White Sox.  Thome took him deep late in the game and the Cards offense was in a deep funk w/o Albert (on DL).

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 9, 2006 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok I get it now
Thanks for the explanation.  I've heard alot about Reyes in Metsland but wanted an idea from you guys.  

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,
The one-hitter was Albert's first game off the DL. He went hitless, i think; still looked like he was holding back on the swing some.

I only know, cause I attended the game. It was surprising how cocky and rude ChiSox fans were after the game......ughh.

What ca you expect though, when your injured pitcher, and "him", give up 90 runs in two games. Pardon the hyperbole.

by fuegophil on Oct 10, 2006 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why start?
Everyone is welcome here...

by cardsrul on Oct 9, 2006 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He isn't trolling...
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 9, 2006 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was actually responding
to Edmonds is baseball... my bad.

by cardsrul on Oct 9, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My reply was to him also :P
Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 9, 2006 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW...Umpiring crew announced
The umpiring crew for the NLCS has been named, and it's always good to know this stuff because somehow a name or two always becomes prominent along the way. Tim Welke, who is in his 23rd year as a Major League Umpire, will work his sixth League Championship Series. The Michigan native also has worked five Division Series and three Fall Classics. He will lead a crew that features Gary Darling, Jim Joyce, Jerry Layne, Jeff Kellogg and Fieldin Culbreth.

Pretty good crew, IMO.

by cardsrul on Oct 9, 2006 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn
No Angel Hernandez. That's a shame.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 9, 2006 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...
no CB Bucknor, Bruce Froemming, Dale Scott or Joe "F'ng" West. Too bad, really too bad...

by cardsrul on Oct 9, 2006 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Met fans and Cardinal fans complain
about the same umps.  I personally would add Tim Tschida to the list.    

by Hernandez on Oct 9, 2006 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Cuzzi
so there's like 4 extra strike calls/game right there.

by sdrone on Oct 9, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we've had problems
with kellogg though- he made a couple of terrible calls in the second april series against PIT and (according to my biased observation) is just awful behind the plate.

From an unbiased source, Nate Silver (baseball prospectus) wrote an article for espn that showed he was one of the 5 home plate umpires in MLB whose game calling changed the most in parks equipped with the questec electronic strike zone measurement technology.  

http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/bp/1563505.html

1.5% is roughly 4 pitches a game that he historically called balls when someone is looking over his shoulder, but strikes when they aren't.  Not a huge number, but statistically significant.

You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 10, 2006 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umpires
My thoughts exactly on Angel Hernandez. He is the first person I look for everytime the list is released.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 9, 2006 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineup

I'm just curious everyone -- besides Pujols, who gets the nod over Delgado, where do you think our Birdos have an edge? I don't see one ... well, except I think our bullpen coach is much better than theirs, but you knew that. I mean it goes without saying.

by TommyHerrIsGod on Oct 9, 2006 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Carpenter over Glavine
I'd take Rolen over Wright - but I like Rolen.

Valentin's offense is nice, but his defense has never been that great.

by sdrone on Oct 9, 2006 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please go away Met Trolls
Isn't it enough that you're probably going to sweep us, do you have to destroy our site too.

by doggydoo from St lou on Oct 9, 2006 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

relax doggydoo
nobody's trolling; these guys are welcome here as long as they're well behaved.

by lboros on Oct 9, 2006 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty sure
i'm just guessing but i think doggy doo could be a mets fan in disguise.

by gdowdy3 on Oct 9, 2006 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch
Now that was uncalled for and very hurtful

by doggydoo from St lou on Oct 9, 2006 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd take Enc...
... over Green and the Dunc/Wilson tandem over Chavez. i'll take the Cards' defense also. i'm not sure Valentin is that much better than Belliard offensively, especially since Belly's been surging while Valentin has been slumping.

the Cards are clearly overmatched in the speed dept., but Molina is clearly the better defensive catcher so that advantage is dulled.

and, if Reyes is pitching, i like the Cards back-end of the rotation. in fact, i like the Cards whole rotation vs. the no-Pedro/no-Duque Mets. (Carp better than Glavine, Suppan better than Trachsel, Weaver and Maine wash, and Reyes better than Perez).

Mets have the bullpen advantage, unless the Brats can remain unhittable. Cards have the bench advantage, especially since Chavez is being forced to start.

by kindred on Oct 9, 2006 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say...
First base - Advantage Cards
Second base - Defensively advantage Cards, Offensively slightly Mets
SS - Definitely Mets
3rd Base - Right now Mets, Rolen's shoulder is on the fritz
LF - Slightly Cards now that Floyd is out
CF - Definitely Mets
RF - Toss up, Enc and Green are about even.
C - Defense Cards, Offense Mets

Starting Pitching - slight advantage Cards (Carpenter)
Bullpen - Mets (unless our Brat Pack can keep up what they did vs the Pads)

Bengie Molina for 2007 Cardinals Catcher!

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 9, 2006 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd "may" be on NLCS roster
There's been no definite word either way.  Probly won't know more till tomorrow at the earliest and possibly even wed. morning.

Anything definitive you hear just isnt true yet.

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop the Madness
You see guys they are just screwing with us. Floyd won't play, now Floyd will play. They won't just leave us alone

by doggydoo from St lou on Oct 9, 2006 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chill out
It's alright dude.  We're just talking baseball here.  The Mets fans are only going to be here a week regardless of the outcome so just chill and see if you can have a good discussion about it.

If anything gets out of hand lboros will take care of it.

by dontEATnachos on Oct 9, 2006 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God
the rotations seem to work out the right way.  A Trachsel- Weaver match up might end up going into November before the game gets to the fifth inning.
The cat is fine, thank you.

by Intheway on Oct 9, 2006 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will behave
I like Cards fans the most of any other organization's fans in baseball...you guys/girls are some class pplz :)

I hope to exchange some info with y'all and maybe some good-natured fun along the way.

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Luck
thank you for coming to visit the best cards blog in all the land.  I wish your team health and respectable play in their final 4 games. You should switch to the good side, have you not seen all of our very virile, testosterone filled faces? The playoff beards of tens, possibly twenties, of VEB readers is a force that all of New York will succomb to!!!!!!!

by snortyclaus on Oct 9, 2006 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get outta here.....
Y'all are growing beards for the playoffs?

I want some pictures!!! How do you know ppl are fibbing?

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty tight group here...
...and we all believe in the power of the hair!!
trust me...NO ONE is fibbing..

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very cool....
I can't say I hope it works out for y'all, but very cool :)

Be prepared for comments about bic's if the pondscummers take it ;)

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you boys take it...
 I think " bic" will be the LEAST of the comments we'll be getting from you guys...

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true...and very funny
I promise to be civil and classy no matter what happens.  I cant guarantee it from my cohorts in pondscumland though...

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After being to the playoffs ...
as many times as we have over the last seven years or so....we're used to it..don't worry. But it's nice to have you on the site man, and I'm sure we are all looking forward to a really great NLCS with the Mets. You've got a damn fine team there.  

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Others may not say it....
but we were impressed with how you took care of business with the Pads and their arms.

We're all looking forward to a quality series between two quality teams both with very devoted fan-bases.  I'm glad I found this site, it should provide some interesting perspective during this series and like I said before, I really like Card's fans for obvious reasons :)

LOL...you guys have been in like 6 of the last 10 NLCS's haven't you? lol

the best part of this is that the evil empire of the bronx is done and buried like they deserve to be!!!!

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yanks...
yeah....they sure looked bad in those last three games didn't they?  Looks like there will be some changes for 07 in the Bronx huh?  I think putting the blame on Torre and firing him is not going to really solve it, but someone has to take the fall, and that is usually the manager. I don't think you will see Sheff, back next year, and a few others will be gone too.  200 Million just doesn't get you what it used to huh? LOL

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea it's great to watch them fail...
but the one thing that stinks is that the yanks failing gets more media coverage than the mets succeeding.  You didnt hear much mets stuff on the major radio stations today, all yanks babble.

Its an uphill battle we fight but we will win it here in NY!!!!

I think firing Toree might have to be done, but getting Pinella is not the answer. I honestly think they should go young to Donny Baseball or Joe Girardi.

It will be real interesting to see what happens with the whole A-Rod situation if Sweet Lou is brought in since he is a big fan of his...

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This play
This beard is sure itching the crap out of me. I might just switch to a Spezio Red goatee or something.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 9, 2006 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can buy one...
at Busch it would seem...I was cracking up when they showed that guy selling them on last nights game...classic.

by Timbo02 on Oct 9, 2006 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me
Of the fake goatees they'd sell at Cubs games during Clement's starts.

For that reason, I can't support it.

Better to put a red-haired troll on a chin-strap. That'd be a gas.

by liam on Oct 9, 2006 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey guys
hey guys

Nice blog you guys got over here.  Anyways I wish the cards good luck in the upcomming NLCS :)

by LetsGoMets on Oct 9, 2006 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

beards
I blog on a phone so I can't paste the link but at the beginning of today's post by lboros there's a link to a fellow VEB guy effinfisk called playoff beard. Yes I WAS growing a beard since the day Albert broke our last losing streak. I also had my ENTIRE head dyed red.  The girl made me dye it back and shave today. We had to have some pregnancy pictures taken today and she would not allow my sad excuse for hair or my 57 whisker 10 day semi-beard to be documented on film. But starting again today I'll grow it back. By the way, IF the birds would of lost yesterday I was going to reschedule the pictures.

by snortyclaus on Oct 9, 2006 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not a beard!!! lol
I clicked on the link for "playoff beard" at the top of this thread.

thats some playoff face fuzz at best.  That's no beard!!!!  

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we're not pujols here
We can't grow an entire beard in the span of a week.  We go with what we've got.

by dontEATnachos on Oct 9, 2006 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha...good point.
There was also always that one 12-yr old kid in school that had a full mustache by that age.

I bet he could do wonders with a playoff beard.

by PondScumFan on Oct 9, 2006 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beards?
Whats this beard thing u guys are talking bout?

by LetsGoMets on Oct 9, 2006 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

free red hair
if anyone is in the springfield,IL area my girl and I own a salon. ANYONE who wants to, I will, free of charge, dye your hair completely red. goatee's too!

by snortyclaus on Oct 9, 2006 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yo Snorts...
I live in Springfield... I'd seriously take you up on the dye-job offer... leave a comment at my blog where I can contact you.

by 26thMan on Oct 10, 2006 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blog on a phone
26th man. I blog on a phone so I'm not sure if I actually left a comment or not. My browser kind of chops sites up a bit.give me a call tu  3419509

by snortyclaus on Oct 10, 2006 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen
thanks to the great pumpkin the yanks are gone!

by snortyclaus on Oct 9, 2006 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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