Silly thing I heard
I was listening to the local (OK) radio sports show today and I heard an interesting thing and wanted your take on it. They said that A-Rod was probably going to be on the trade-block but who could take him. They listed a whole bunch of teams that could afford him, and the Cardinals were mentioned. They said the Yankees needed pitching, and the name they tossed out there was Adam Wainwright. So I wondered if that really was feasible. Would you give up Adam for A-rod? Furthermore this depletes our bargaining chips in going after a big name pitcher. Just curious if you would try to go after him.
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No chance.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 9, 2006 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reyes I would though.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 9, 2006 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, No, NO
To summarize: No.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Oct 9, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay it gets deeper
by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod is not a natural 3B
I don't think it'll happen, though. I would think that a deal would have to involve Izzy. I would completely take the Yanks up on a package of Izzy and Reyes for A-Rod. That makes sense for both teams--the Yankees are desperate for starters, and the Cardinals need stable offense behind Pujols.
by Valatan on Oct 9, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
I honestly think that when he's put in a high-profile, high-pressure situation, A-Rod will just freeze. He thinks too much about being the hero and ends up grounding out weakly or watching a called third strike. The Yankees rolled to their division title, but truly great players (such as, again, El Hombre) will be the ones who don't disappear when everyone else does. A-Rod did disappear, turning in another miserable series (1-for-14 I believe it was this time). If he was a superstar, he'd be the guy that stood out. He'd buck the trend.
He may pay big money in the regular season (almost as much as baseball is coughing into his ridiculous contract) but if he's not going to step it up come October, we're left where we already are, i.e. with Pujols as our real offensive terror.
And aside from that, I just don't like the guy on a personal level. I can't blame him for his contract - if I was offered $252 million to do something that I loved, you can bet that I and everyone else would snap it up. But he's done nothing to justify that money - there are quite a few players in the AL who are better than he is, and he doesn't come close to touching Pujols. I can't discount his accomplishments, but I truly question if they would ever mean something in a late-game, high-profile, October do-or-die game.
A-Rod's always struck me as being too polished, too phony, and too egoistic to really, truly put aside what he wants and contribute to the good of the team. And no, I don't count a move to third base as being selfless. A-Rod wanted out of Texas badly (and who can blame him; Hicks is an idiot) and I think he'd have volunteered to pitch if it got him to New York, where he was thinking about winning a ring and some glory for himself. He definitely didn't want to go there just out of a totally altruistic desire to help the Yankees organization. Not that I can slam him for wanting out of Arlington. But it was, at heart, something for him. To make him look better. Pad his credentials, if you were.
I also think that he's a streaky hitter. He can get insanely hot for two weeks or a month, completely disappear, and then rev back up again to keep his stats at the level they are. And somebody, I think it was Bichette, said that stats are like a bikini - they show you a lot, but not everything.
And yes, I have seen A-Rod hit quite a few homers when the Yankees were already up or down too far for it to make much of a difference. I watch baseball all the time, every team.
And on top of that, I adore Adam, as my signature will probably tell you. He's humble, personable, low-key, genuine, and really, really talented. I want him in our bullpen. I want him to contribute to this Cardinals club, whether as reliever or starter remains to be seen. If he was given up for A-Rod - who's good but not out-of-this-world and subject to his own problems - this Redbird fan's heart would absolutely break.
I don't like the Yanks. I don't want Adam there. And I don't want to be the recipient of their problem player. I just say no.
I just wouldn't do it. Not that that even matters, as all is this is just (hopefully) idle speculation to liven up an always-churning Yankees hot stove while they continue their quest to buy a world championship every year. Perversely, this is exactly the direction they should take - dump their underachieving, aging prima donnas and build a nucleus around some young talent - but I'll be damned if I'll let them do it at our expense.
Wow. Look at that miniature novel. I think I need to shut up now.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Oct 9, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
barry bonds
by dmb60614 on Oct 10, 2006 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
by brock on Oct 12, 2006 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely no freaking way!!!
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep--
by rockin redbird on Oct 9, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinda fun though
by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izzy, Looper, and Reyes?
I hope A-Rod doesn't end up on the Angels. Then again, as an A's fan, it would make me like them even less than I already do.
I do realize that this is just speculation while we bored baseball addicts wait for the Championship Series to start. ;)
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Oct 9, 2006 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
by OKCardsfan on Oct 9, 2006 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't put anything past Steinbrenner
I can see the Yanks snapping up Reyes, but can't see them being so enthusiastic about Looper and the Izz. They already have Farnsworth, Dotel, Myers, and similar types, and will be aggressively courting starters. So we'd have to give them something else - for A-Rod, the bidding would probably start at Reyes and another starter-type.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Oct 9, 2006 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not a very attractive package if
by azruavatar on Oct 9, 2006 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its going to take a
I'd love a rolen / wainwright for a-rod though.
fun to think about, but never going to happen.
by PGeorge on Oct 9, 2006 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is all
How many championships would A-Rod bring us? The same number he's brought the Yankees. Zero.
This team needs a dynamite starting pitcher and a healthy Scott Rolen.
by lawman3842 on Oct 10, 2006 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought
by brock on Oct 12, 2006 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if...
The only thing A-Rod does is cause disharmony with his disproportionate salary. I'd pass.
Besides, where are you going to put him in the order? Behind El Hombre? Don't think A-Rod would be too pleased with the drop in RBIs that will give him ;)
by Neuronix on Oct 10, 2006 6:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing
And hit 50 HR while playing a gold glove shortstop. We have the word of steroid user Jason Giambi on the disharmony issue.
As far as where to put him in the order, I think he'd work well in the 2 hole with his speed.
by Valatan on Oct 10, 2006 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people make to much of this clubhouse cancer thing
by azruavatar on Oct 10, 2006 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
by Valatan on Oct 10, 2006 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by SleepyCA on Oct 12, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY
Think of the batting order.
Eck
Duncan
Pujols
Rolen
A-Rod
Edmonds (Maybe)
Enc
Molina
Pitcher
I could live with that
Oh Yeah. The Rangers are still paying a fair chunk of A-Rods contract and I would believe that the Yanks would do the same to get rid of him, Maybe.
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 10, 2006 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not only no
As much fun as it would be to have an infield of Pujols, Eckstein, Rodriguez, and Rolen (bat ARod in front of Pujols!! holy shit!!), there are several very good reasons not to take him.
- Head case. These guys seldom, if ever, are able to concentrate when they're needed most.
- Dollars. Even with TX and NY paying parts of his contract, he'd eat up payroll. He'd make it tougher, if not impossible, for the Cards to look for starting pitching.
- Expense. Wainwright? No. Reyes? No. If those two get traded at all (which strikes me as very unlikely) they will be traded for an established starter. Hopefully a lefty. Otherwise the Cards really don't have much to offer the Yanks.
by nota bene on Oct 10, 2006 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by azruavatar on Oct 10, 2006 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would only work
And if you could get A-Rod for Reyes (probably even Wainer) plus lots of cash it would be a great deal. You'd move eck to 2nd and it would give you one of the best defenses and the best IF production in basbeall. Alternatively, you probably could but A-Rod in the outfeild.
Imagine:
Eck
Dunc
APu
A-Rod
Rolen
JEd?
Jaun'cion
Catcher
Pitcher.
by Zubin on Oct 10, 2006 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the yankees are not goint to eat this salary
by azruavatar on Oct 10, 2006 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARod's salary
by SirVLCIV on Oct 12, 2006 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the proposed deals
So give up 1 or 2 valuable, CHEAP young pitchers to add to our offense? And add salary that guarantees we can't add pitching? That makes zero sense.
by sdrone on Oct 10, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to throw out
by OKCardsfan on Oct 10, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think a trade is going to happen
But the thing is, Rolen was a singular talent that completely alters the character of a lineup, and so is Alex Rodriguez. If you can get a player that good at the cost of giving up players that will never win a Cy young for you, you do it. Perhaps the financials might not work out, and then you pass. But if you can get A-Rod at $10-12 M a year, you have to pull the trigger on the deal, particularly if you have the chance of unloading Izzy's contract and moving Wainwright to the closers' spot in the meantime.
by Valatan on Oct 10, 2006 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright for ARod, straight up?
I like Wainright, I really do, and even if he fails as a starter, he has the potential to be a Hoffman level closer for years to come.
BUT, look at ARod's numbers in his 'off year'. Put those numbers, RIGHT now, at the #2 or #4 hole in the Cards lineup. What do you see? An -awesome- 1-2 punch that will strike fear in the heart of any NL pitcher.
I think the media hype is -way- overblown, and perhaps that would be lessened somewhat in St. Louis. And remember: the Yankees are not paying ARod $25 mil a year. They're paying him $16 Mil.
by SirVLCIV on Oct 12, 2006 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
plus
by brock on Oct 12, 2006 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point is
by brock on Oct 12, 2006 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further
I, for one, do -not- see us getting ARod for something as cheap as Wainright. I think he finishes his contract in NY.
by SirVLCIV on Oct 12, 2006 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees are the only team that I would see
by Valatan on Oct 12, 2006 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
by SirVLCIV on Oct 12, 2006 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i'm the yankees
by brock on Oct 12, 2006 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
izzy's done.
by brock on Oct 12, 2006 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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