fall where they may
Update [2006-10-3 12:57:36 by lboros]: just posted by bernie: marquis is on the postseason roster; reyes is not. also, no vizcaino. awaiting further . . .
and here's the whole roster. thanks, bernie.
PITCHERS
carp, supps, weaver, marquis, kinney, thompson, hancock, looper, wainwright, johnson, flores
BATS
molina, bennett, pujols, belliard, miles, eckstein, rolen, spiezio, duncan, edmonds, en'cion, wilson, taguchi, rodriguez
OFF
reyes, vizcaino, narveson, sosa, schumaker [end update]
the padres deserve to be favored in this series, but it's hardly a mismatch. san diego won all of 5 games more than the cardinals in 2006; big deal, right? they did finish strong -- 15-6 in the last 3 weeks -- while the cardinals staggered to an 8-14 record down the stretch. but history has shown that "momentum" of that type doesn't mean anything; teams that finished ice-cold have won just as often in october as fast finishers have. the pundit class is overemphasizing the teams' divergent records down the stretch, to the point that nobody at all is picking the cardinals to win. i'm not picking them either, but i do think they have a realistic shot. if they were to win, it'd be the mildest of upsets.
last october, stat gurus voros mccracken and james click -- the former renowned for propounding the concept of defense-independent pitching, the latter a (former) data expert at Baseball Prospectus -- both presented formulas for estimating the odds of a given outcome in any playoff series, based on nothing more than the participants' regular-season winning percentages. i won't bore you with all the math -- mccracken's post is here is you want to read through it, and click's is here, behind the baseball prospectus subscription wall. both formulas suggest that a .516 team like the cardinals has about a 40 percent chance to win a 5-game series against a .543 team like the padres. these formulas are purposely generic -- they don't account for specific team characteristics such as having the cy young winner on your team, playing good defense, having a great (or terrible) road record, and other team- or series-specific factors. i still think they're useful as baseline estimates; we can adjust up or down from there depending on which series-specific factors we deem significant.
a lot of factors we might normally deem significant are distorted by the padres' ballpark. for example, while the cardinals have outperformed the padres in every key offensive category -- runs, homers, avg, slugging, obp -- we can't trust those comparisons entirely because the pads' ballpark is so hostile to hitters. away from home, the padres lead the league in batting and on-base percentage and rank 3d in slugging and 4th in runs scored -- better than the cards in all those categories. san diego has no hitter who's even close to pujols -- no berkman or beltran -- but they have few automatic outs. only three position players on san diego's roster have OPS's lower than .730; the cardinals have 7 such players (ie, half the available bats), including three regulars (eckstein molina and belliard). take a look at the teams' respective OPS's by batting-order slot:
| pads | cards | |
|---|---|---|
| .746 | 1st | .701 |
| .795 | 2d | .764 |
| .744 | 3d | 1.091 |
| .802 | 4th | .910 |
| .834 | 5th | .846 |
| .837 | 6th | .652 |
| .681 | 7th | .704 |
| .681 | 8th | .682 |
the padres' offense runs 1 through 6; the cardinals', 2 through 5. the cards do have an opportunity to goose things a bit by taking liberties on the bases vs the padres. they did just that in last year's nlds, to great effect (particularly in game 2). san diego allowed 150 steals in 176 attempts this year, a ridiculous total and an even more ridiculous success rate. if whitey's teams played these guys, they'd destroy 'em. the cards have some baserunners -- taguchi, wilson, and encarnacion can all steal a base, and maybe skip schumaker ought to be added to the playoff roster for just that reason. i can't see edmonds or eckstein running, given their health status; pujols can swipe if the situation calls for it.
on the other hand, the padres have swift dave roberts, the type of pesky leadoff man who has bedeviled the cards in past series (see timo perez, tony womack, kenny lofton, craig biggio). roberts is a first-rate base-stealer, but even he may not run much against molina. he doesn't have to; he just has to get on base and activate the pads' offense, which -- more so than the cards' -- relies on sequenced rallies. roberts hit .381 vs the cardinals this year, with a 1.006 ops; if he keeps that up, forget it. game over.
san diego led the nl in era handily, at 3.87, while the cards finished 9th at 4.54 -- a whopping advantage for the padres. and it's not merely a ballpark illusion; looking only at road games, the pads led the league in ERA, opponent avg, and opponent obp; they were 2d in opponent slugging and 3d in home runs allowed. it's just a damn good pitching staff, top to bottom. they had the league's best starters (4.09 era) and 2d-best bullpen (3.42), while the cardinals were 12th (4.75) and 7th (4.06), respectively. of course, we know only too well that rotation depth don't mean nothing in a short series; with carpenter pitching twice and neither marquis nor mulder starting at all, the rotations are a lot closer in functional terms than the season-long numbers suggest.
ahh, but then there are the bullpens to consider. sd's trevor hoffman, scott linebrink, and clay meredith constitute perhaps the best late-inning trio in baseball. they've combined this season to hold opposing hitters to a .212 / .256 / .325 line, with an aggregate era of 2.44 in 188 innings. their late-inning counterparts on the cardinals -- wainwright, looper, and josh hancock -- have been pretty good too (.249 / .303 / .381, with a 3.60 era), but as we have seen they don't exactly lock games down. the padres' guys do. sure, they can be beat -- viz. albert's 900-foot homer off meredith just last week. but if the same circumstances arise again in the nlds, ain't no way el hombre's gonna see a pitch to hit. those will be very interesting at-bats to watch: will albert expand his strike zone and (likely) get himself out? or will he stay disciplined, take the walk, and trust his mates to pick up the team. pujols' approach to those at-bats might be influenced by how rolen and en'cion fare with RISP early in the series / early in games. i'll be paying attention to those at-bats, too.
why do i focus so much on the bullpens? nate silver's empirical studies at baseball prospectus have shown that, historically, strong bullpens and postseason success bear a statistically significant correlation. that conclusion passes the common-sense test: playoff baseball features good pitching and evenly matched teams, hence a lot of close, low-scoring games -- and a lot of high-leverage situations for the relievers. san diego's bullpen has excelled in those situations this year. according to baseball prospectus' win expectancy metric (WXRL), the pads' late-inning trio (ie, meredith linebrink hoffman) has been 13 games better than replacement level -- as a group, they're tantamount to an mvp-caliber player. the cardinal relievers, i hardly need remind anyone, have not exactly thrived under late-inning pressure. stl's closing trio (ie wainwright looper hancock) has been just 5 games better than replacement level per WXRL. to put this on a more immediate basis: san diego was 30-22 (.577) in one-run games in 2006; the cards were 22-27 (.449).
now here's a surprising tidbit: despite their superior pitching staff, the padres were just as bad as the cardinals in low-scoring games. when scoring 4 runs or fewer, the teams had nearly identical records -- 27-55 (.329) for the cardinals, 30-62 (.326) for the padres. i would have expected the pads to have an advantage in this regard, particularly in the 3-to-4-run range. but even within that narrow slice of the output spectrum, the teams are evenly matched: the cards went 16-27 (.372), san diego 16-26 (.381). with carpenter going twice for the cards and peavy young and wells getting most of san diego's starts, the 3d and 4th runs may very well decide each one of these games.
that's about all i got for now; don't know that much more needs to be said. we got pujols and carpenter; san diego's got all those other guys. my heart's with the cardinals; my head says the padres. they are better balanced than our team and have a broader array of weapons; above all they have better arms, and that usually tells the tale.
but it ain't a mismatch; not hardly. one last factor -- something that has bothered me about st louis all season -- ends up in the cardinals' favor: homerun differential. the 2006 cardinals ended up at minus 9 -- 184 hit, 193 allowed. terrible ratio. but the padres were even worse: they hit 161 and allowed 176, for a differential of minus 15. and if their three shutdown bullpenners have an achilles heel, it's the longball. we saw it firsthand when pujols took meredith deep; the dodgers found it out a couple weeks back when they hit 4 9th-inning homers in a row off san diego to erase a 4-run deficit; and the diamondbacks even exposed that flaw in the final inning of the regular season, whacking two bombs off trevor hoffman and nearly snatching the division title away. the padre bullpen lost 23 games this year, only 1 fewer than the cardinals' relievers. wouldn't it be funny -- wouldn't it be baseball -- if, when it mattered, the cardinals won because the other guy's bullpen screwed up?
let's hope to see it. i'll take my 40 percent chance and carp in games 1 and 4, and let 'em fall where they may.
back an hour or so before the 1st pitch with a game thread.
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Is Carp a lock for game 4?
that's not gonna happen
Cla Meredith
That's like not spelling Jhonny Peralta's name right-it takes a teeny bit of the fun out of the world!
Go, Cards!
by levistahl on Oct 3, 2006 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
totally agree
by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 3, 2006 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
what's in a name?
by thatsawinner on Oct 3, 2006 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
I thought the Deadspin
too late
by thatsawinner on Oct 3, 2006 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Luck be a lady
Luck is a great thing to have going for you. LaRussa has had his share of bad luck in the postseason. They say luck has a way of evening out. Wouldn't it be great if this year he turned out to be Lucky LaRussa?
another factor....mike piazza
lboros covered that....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Piazza's never been that goohas he?
Shoot, with numbers like those, maybe Yadi can swipe a bag!
You're right
lineups are out
- eckstein, ss
- duncan, lf
- pujols, 1b
- encarnacion, rf
- rolen, 3b
- edmonds, cf
- belliard, 2b
- molina, c
- carpenter, sp
- roberts, lf
- giles, rf
- gonzalez, 1b
- piazza, c
- branyan, 3b
- cameron, cf
- blum, ss
- barfield, 2b
- peavy, sp
cards win today 3-1 (my prediction)
by cards4ever on Oct 3, 2006 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
actually...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Our bench
I'd link the batter vs. pitcher stats, but the Cardinals roster at ESPN currently only shows only Scott Rolen and Mike Lincoln as active Cardinals.
Thus proving my original claim
Stats
I guess demoting SR to 5th in the lineup is appropriate, but in truth he is giving Molina a run for his money, offensively, for the 8 spot of late.
by brdsnbt on Oct 3, 2006 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Roster for Padres series
Tony has until noon today to post the Roster. I don't think there is room for both Vizcaino and Taguchi. With Edmonds such a question mark I would expect him to take Taguchi.
Who do you see on the bench?
LF-3B-1B-2B Scott "Chin Troll" Spiezio (S)
C-1B Gary "Sno Cones" Bennett (R)
OF Preston "P-Dub" Wilson (R)
LF-RF John Rodriguez (L)
SS-2B Jose Vizcaino (S)
SS-2B Aaron Miles (S)
OF So Taguchi (R)
Wouldn't mind seeing Skip out there for some base-stealing Piazza mockery, though.
60%-40%....
What's the math look like on a team who steals homefield advantage? I think we can roll them in four. Then again, we could also easily be swept.
establishing presence
Crash Davis: [stands up] Hey! HEY!
[walks to meet Ebby at the mound]
Crash Davis: Why are you shaking me off?!
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: [Gets in Crash's face] I want to give him the heat and announce my presence with authority!
Crash Davis: Announce your fucking presence with authority?!? This guy is a first ball, fast ball hitter!
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: Well he hasn't seen my heat!
Crash Davis: [pauses] Allright meat, show him your heat.
[Walks back towards the box]
Crash Davis: [To the batter] Fast ball comin'.
Oops
lb
i'm a little disappointed at the lack of depth and thoroughness in this post. i would have expected better.
in all seriousness - nice breakdown. realistic, yet optomistic. statistically strong. every aspect broken down.
i am, more than usual, rooting hard against the yanks, just so the suits as espn have to put some other series on in the evening.
Nice post, lboros
Now, if we could just convince your lovely bride to take you away on a surprise trip so we could take this series from the Padres......
With Weaver slated for game 2,
Logic be damned...
I really like Tony's decision to make Wainer the closer in the post-season... he's young enough not to "know" he shouldn't be able to do that, and he comes into the game all pumped up and excited about the opportunity. Plus, he's got a "swing-and-miss" pitch.
Pujols, Speezer (aka "The Soul Patch of Doom") and P-Dub are swinging the bats well right now. Rolen, JEd, and Young Dunc all have the potential to get hot, and pitching Weaver in Game Two on the road and Soup in Game Three at home should maximize their chances of pitching well.
Besides, how can a team featuring Gary "Sno Cones In Hell" Bennett possibly lose?
Beltran was in '04...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
out of curiosity
by redbird2006in on Oct 3, 2006 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
I think...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
mulder
that would be a good indicator if there is much chance in him comming back next year, but I figure he has to to get his paycheck
Dunno, but...
Pujols vs. Peavy
<quote>Jake Peavy, the Game 1 starter for the Padres, said that Pujols "was obviously not human" and that he wouldn't balk at walking him every time in a critical situation.
"I mean Pujols is the guy you cannot let beat you in this lineup," Peavy said. </quote>
Too funny. Anyone else remember the ESPN interview with Peavy before the Cardinal series earlier this year? I can't remember exactly how the interview went, but Peavy implied he wasn't afraid of Albert and wouldn't pitch around him. I remember thinking he was talking a little crap towards Albert. Albert promptly deposited him beyond the wall.
Albert's batter vs. pitcher stats are so stark even a sample-size-nazi like myself takes not.
I don't expect our boys
Don't answer that.
A year ago...
but a year ago the top half of our line-up destroyed Peavy. Carpenter pitched 6 good innings. The STL bullpen tried to give the game away, while the SDG bullpen shut us down.
http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=251004124
We need someone to be "Reggie Sanders" hot again this year :)
by redbird2006in on Oct 3, 2006 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
I will
Jim Edmonds
Reggie posted a September 2005 line of .171/.286/.686 in 35AB.
Jimmy posted a September 2006 line of .200/.200/.600 in 15AB.
by sgfcards on Oct 3, 2006 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Seeing that box score
We're thinking along similar lines
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 3, 2006 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
plug for weaver
Yeah
Unlike some dude who wears #21.
By the way
Stupid lack of an edit button.
Not to mention
This may sound like a dumb question
more space for doubles
and a double doesn't garuntee runs like a HR. pitchers can get around the doubles...not so much when the ball goes over the fence
PetCo..
From ESPN.com
Sep 29 - The Indians will pursue second baseman Ronnie Belliard during the offseason, a player they traded to St. Louis in July for Hector Luna, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports. Belliard is eligible for free agency after the season.
"He'll definitely be in the mix of second basemen we'll look at," manager Eric Wedge told the newspaper. "We all feel strongly about Ronnie."
Will having this in the back of his mind motivate him or distract him?
HILARIOUS
2B: Josh Barfield versus Ronnie Belliard
Ronnie Belliard was the Cardinals big acquisition at the trade deadline. So clearly this is a team with no holes if Ronnie Belliard was all they needed.
Advantage: Cardinals
Oh, here's the link
Oh dear god...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
DJ Gallo...
It's SUPPOSED to be funny. :D
by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Underdog/and Kruk
Kruk said Rolen will be a key to this series..i couldnt agree more..if i was a manager Id walk AP everytim to make the 4-5 guys beat me...hed walk everytime this series..I woouldnt care if there was two on one out..what has Rolen or Juan done..esp.Rolen...
I hope since im on west coast I get the cards and no the A's
Anyone Else Concerned
Serves one.
oh no
He's terrible period....
Nice post
The only thing I disagree with is to so discount momentum. Even when you (rightfully) discount starting pitching in much of the Cardinals' recent woes, you still need to look at the line up. The truth is, even with Pujols, as long as ScoRo ain't hitting and JEd/ Eck are still not 100%, the line up is average. That basically accounts for the Cards "momentum" and I don't see those conditions changing.
==================================
BTW, did anyone catch this TLR quote in Bernie's column yesterday?
"It's a big relief. I don't think anyone on this club wanted to be associated with mugging that lead. That's one of those historic things you'll never forget - you're aware that, if you mug that, what it's going to do to each guy in uniform, each guy in the organization. We didn't want to be part of that. We fought like hell to avoid it, and we avoided it."
I think that confirms the opinion of many of us, that late in the season, the Cards seemed to be playing for a negative. i.e. not wanting to choke/lose. It also seems that TLR (and probably some players too) think that that kind of historic colapse is something that could have hurt the franchise for a long time. Management, players and fans would have all remembered and not want to be associated with it.
Anyone got predictions for the Playoff Roster
Pitchers:
- Carpenter
- Weaver
- Suppan
- Marquis
- Reyes
- Wainwright
- Looper
- Flores
- Johnson
- Hancock
- Sosa
- Kinney
- Thompson
Catchers
- Molina
- Bennett
- Belliard
- Eckstein
- Miles
- Pujols
- Rolen
- Spiezio
- Vizcaino
- Duncan
- Edmonds
- Encarnacion
- Rodriguez
- Schumaker
- Taguchi
- Wilson
I want Marquis to be cut for the pitchers. Than Vizcaino and Taguchi to be cut. It will probably me Schumaker though. Even though he is a better fielder than Taguchi and faster. It could even be Rodriguez.
Looks like...
Viz and Schu will be the other cuts... pretty easy to make that call.
No way the Goocher will be left off
Schumaker probably gets left off along with Vizcaino. The odd-man out on the pitching staff has to be either Kinney, Sosa or Marquis, since Thompson carved 'em up the other day.
IMHO, of course.
kinney
MARQUIS IN, REYES OUT.....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
also, no vizcaino
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
LaRussa had said he is not going to bring the kid out of the pen... I expect to see Marquis not at all except as a pinch hitter and a mop-up guy after we fall behind by 12.
They can, but
If anything, the advantage of Reyes over Marquis is more pronounced in the division series. One small plus for Marquis is his (supposed) ability to pitch in relief. But there should be less need for an extra reliever in the NLDS, given the more spread-out schedule (5 games in 7 days, rather than 7 games in 9 days).
No, it sounds like this team will go only as far as Jason Marquis can carry them.
And let's be honest...
by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe TLR...
The other possibility is that he figures it's better to have Weaver and Carp on short rest than put either Marquis or Reyes out there. I'm ok with that. If neither fits in to the pitching plan, might as well have Marquis for the pinch hitting and running.
In the NLCS, either Marquis or Reyes (or the bullpen) will have to start OR Carp will have to go on 3 days rest twice, Supp once, and Weaver once (assuming your schedule is correct).
The NLCS, if we get there, will be the real test of TLR's willingness to go with the rookie.
pinch hitting
(1) What happens if Weaver gets shelled in Game 2? In that case, is the team really going to send him out there on short rest? Surely, a rested Reyes would be a better option that that.
(2) With 14 position players on the roster, there probably will be relative few occasions for Marquis to pinch hit.
Can't argue with either of those points...
Another explanation is that, after Ankiel, and given DeWitt's new-found appreciation for young (cheap) pitching, TLR doesn't want a rookie on the mound in a one-game playoff, or a game 5 of the NLDS. Sooo... No reason to have Reyes around.
Maybe we'll see him next round in game 4.
oh, hell
He also says Vizcaino is off.
Post Season Roster announced
Carpenter
Weaver
Suppan
Marquis
Kinney
Thompson
Hancock
Looper
Wainwright
Johnson
Flores
Position players:
Molina
Bennett
Pujols
Belliard
Miles
Eckstein
Rolen
Spiezio
Duncan
Edmonds
Encarnacion
Wilson
Taguchi
Rodriguez
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
not don't go crazy folks.....
So what dirt does Marquis have on TPTB?
Wouldn't that be outweighed by the added revenue -
I'm not saying that Marquis means we won't advance further, but the chances of advancing are probably greater with him off.
well...
reyes helped break the last losing streak
he struggled, like all rookies did; bottom line, he's got more ability than marquis does. jason is simply a bad baseball player; the jury's still out on reyes
I agree...
it's not make or break
i give reyes a pass for sunday's game -- he didn't even know he was going to start until he got to the ballpark, and he was on short rest. as bad as he has been, he's still a full run better in era than marquis --- that's a big difference.
reyes came up big in several big games this year; jason marquis has never done that in his life.
Yabut...
I think...
This may be the dumbest move we've made in quite a long time. Even dumber than Haren-for-Mulder.
by Quietude on Oct 3, 2006 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dumber than Haren for Mulder?
Or, we could always hope JM pisses off Ronnie B, and Ronnie calls some of his boys to........
game 5
by cardsfan2222 on Oct 3, 2006 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
I'm picking Eck
Plus
That was nice.
by dontEATnachos on Oct 3, 2006 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It does...
Don't forget, it wasn't just Haren for Mulder
Right up there with Ernie Broglio.
Not even close..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 3, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a bad trade
No.
As bad as 1 year of A.J. Pierzynski for Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser?
No.
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 3, 2006 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What respect..
not to defend espn too much, but...
I don't know what to think about Reyes
The only time Marquis or Reyes would be used to start is either in a game 4 (with us up 2-1 in the series) or a game 5. Odds are with Reyes, I doubt Tony would use him in a pivitol game 5 and would use weaver on short rest. With Marquis, would Tony do the same? I don't know.
Assuming that NEITHER would be allowed to start a game, I can understand going with Marquis. Now if make it to the NLCS and Reyes isn't starting over Marquis, I'll completely loose my mind. Right now, I'm not 100% against this move, just 80% against leaving Reyes off.
Jason Marquis
At least we have low expectations of this whole series...
marquis sucks the life
LaRussa is crazy
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=4409&teamId=25&sort=OPS
Reyes pitched good against them. Marquis is a horrible 1st inning pitchers so how can he be any good coming out of the pen?
Yep...
San Diego vs Reyes OPS 0.482
by redbird2006in on Oct 3, 2006 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes on Sunday
This is so stupid...I'm so pissed.
sure looks that way
gives la russa cover for leaving him off the team.
I don't think that is true at all...
Contrast...
Both games were playoff-level-stakes. Marquis is DEFEATED. He has NOTHING. Reyes will compete...if he got into trouble, we'd have thompson/hancock waiting in the wings.
This shouldn't even be a debate. Marquis is an embarrassment. And this pitch hit/run bs doesn't pass muster either. That is what a BENCH is for..we have plenty of BETTER pinch runnners/hitters on the bench.
JEsus, just look at Marquis's numbers this year!
BAA .179 Obp .210 SLG.256 OPS .466
Nice bat off the bench, eh??!?!??
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Moot point now....
Well, duh...
But, we can still be critical of this decision. That is what this site is for right? Criticism...discussion...debate?
Not, rah, rah! Go team!
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen man..
Sorry for the...
I'm just really pissed about this decision. Esp, after what Marquis did Thurs..
And it's not such a minor issue...in game 5 it could loom large.
Matt
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no problem Matt.
That seems a little...
Fact is, the kid has an era over 5, and when he is good he requires the bullpen to hold up for 3-4 innings. Weaver on 3 days rest is preferable, I highly doubt we'll see Marquis on the mound against SD.
If Marquis won't be on the mound...
See my above post for his stellar numbers at the plate this year.
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 3, 2006 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't want...
Given his track record, the best case scenario for a Reyes Game 5 is about 9 or 10 baserunners allowed over 5 innings and then pray for double plays and runners stranded. Worse case is another washout. If you think 10/2 shouldn't count, go back to the one on 9/8 three starts prior or the one on 8/16 two starts before that. A final game disaster is not what is needed given his importance this offseason as trade bait.
Marquis' hitting is better than this year's numbers indicate.
Who got on base before Albert on April 16th in lboros' biggest game of the year?
why is that a base-case scenario?
Dunno...
He definitely pitched well... he set them down in order only once in 7 innings... They didn't get any xbhs, and he didn't panic when runners got on. He allowed 9 baserunners in 6 innings...
He'd be fortunate to match that start given the Pads have now seen him once...
ok, not "fits"
the crowd gave jeff weaver a standing O two nights later for going 5 2/3 and allowing 3 runs; and that start cemented weaver's status as the game 2 starter.
surely reyes' start was superior to that -- and it came against a much better team. they were both gritty starts, but reyes' was more impressive.
TLR
Marquis is the kind of pitcher who,
The only thing I can think of...
I've never been on the dump LaRussa bandwagon, but this has me wondering. I'm already at a point where I would not be at all sorry to see him leave and I'll start lobbying for it if Marquis starts a game.
Bill DeWitt could
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 3, 2006 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I was furious with this decision at first...
So from that standpoint, he makes more sense. However, if we advance to the NLCS and Reyes is left off the roster again, I'm writing a letter. I don't know who to, maybe my congressman, maybe the Comish, who knows.
Absolutely AGREE...
Im disapointed like the rest
hes not proven and TLR already has 2 rooks in the pen why add a 3rd? I would have liked ot see it, but if hes not gonna start i see the logic behind the move
Yes
We kept one the worst pitchers in the league over a decent pitcher. That's still an egregious lapse in judgment.
Why add a 3rd rookie? Because that rookie is capable of pitching well. Marquis is not.
Re: Reyes out of the pen
Sorry, Barry
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"It wasn't even a tough call," La Russa said. "I was surprised at how easy the call was. I did notice that there was some disagreement with the decision because they felt like it was a risk. Maybe I'm dumb about that. I didn't see the risk."
THEN WHY ISN'T HE ON THE PLAYOFF ROSTER!?
El Duque injured
Sure would be nice to play the Mets in the first round.
Glavine
Traschel
Maine
The best money can buy.
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by esteban on Dec 4, 2006 12:24 PM EST reply actions



















