World Series Game Four Open Thread
Update [2006-10-25 22:33:45 by Valatan]:: No game tonight. Postponed by rain. I assume this means no travel day on Friday. I can't see Leyland wanting to move up Verlander, and I really can't see Tony wanting to go with anyone but Suppan.

suppan bonderman
12-7, 4.12 14-8, 4.08
Jeremy Bonderman is the type of pitcher that absolutely gives the Cardinals fits--namely a young player that has been historically shaky, but with a history of throwing the occasional gem. The Cardinals have seen him before, and he had quite the good game--seven innings, one run, eight strikeouts. On the plus side, despite being a rookie, he's not of the soft tossing lefty variety. He is a right hander, with a pretty extreme platoon split, too--LH batters hit him significantly harder than righties--his OPS allowed (.822) is 200 points higher against lefties, and there's a general correlation across the rest of his stats, and therefore, La Russa has opted for the following lineup:
| DETROIT | ST. LOUIS |
| Granderson cf | Eckstein ss |
| Monroe lf | Duncan rf |
| Guillen ss | Albert 1b |
| Ordonez rf | Edmonds cf |
| Casey 1b | Rolen 3b |
| Rodriguez c | Wilson lf |
| Polanco 2b | Molina c |
| Inge 3b | Miles 2b |
| Bonderman p | Suppan p |
It's great to see the Albert/Jimmy/Rolen trifecta lined up one after another once again in the lineup. It seems like it's been ages since that has happened. Belliard not getting the start kind of confused me until I realised that, in his career Aaron Miles is three for six with a HR against Bonderman, while Belliard is three for twenty one with no extra base hits. A very Tony decision.
It's still kinda amazing to me to say that this team is up in the World Series. A win tonight means that they have a chance to try and win the whole thing at home, in perhaps the most fashionable way possible of bringing in a new ballpark.
We might still rain out, but myself, I'm ready to see some baseball. Go get 'em, guys. Two more. Please, two more wins.
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Explain to me what you did there
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 7:19 PM EDT reply actions
nevermind
Must simply be defense.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
we might
by Birds on the Matt on Oct 25, 2006 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but you could move him around in the field
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd start Rodriguez
So why isn't J-Rod starting?
and I wouldn't say that Wilson is a good fielder (just not as bad as the alternatives) so why bring him in? Don't the numbers say that he should go 0 for 3 with 3 K's???
That being said he'll go 4 for 4 with 2 HRs and be the player of the game...and the Chevy most dependible player if he is lucky.
Punishment
by STLCardinalsFan on Oct 25, 2006 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
More likely...
Can't say I disagree...
I understand that TLR doesn't want two mediocre
i'm guessing he thinks more balls
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Drizzzzzzle
heavier rain come in, pause the starters early,
and cause issues with them coming back on a damp,
rather cool evening. There's another small batch of rain moving in in the next hour or so. I would
imagine they'll try to get this game in tonight.
by lostraven on Oct 25, 2006 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith Hernandez Seinfield is on
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
Heh.
by STLCardinalsFan on Oct 25, 2006 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
Part 2 is on the Cincy affiliate.
It was Roger McDowell
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2006 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
i'd sell em
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
SELL
by STLCardinalsFan on Oct 25, 2006 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sell
In regards to scalping, Its just a free market so let it be. In Clevland they have a special spot in front of the stadium where people can sell the tickets at any price.
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 25, 2006 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
funny how no one thinks they should go
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Reality.
by STLCardinalsFan on Oct 25, 2006 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
really...
which of these teams has the advantage in the rain
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
spezio
by herr28 on Oct 25, 2006 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
i've got the feeling this is the game
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
i think your full of shit
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2006 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
if detroit wins tonight
i don't expect suppan to be lights out, but i do expect him to be solid, good enough to give us a chance. i think detroit's gonna do a bit more offensively with the revamped lineup. i think it's going to be a bullpen deal tonight, although this is all bullshit.
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
That can go either way you can say well they avoided disaster and thats what a champ does, or say well they averted disaster but next time it might be terrible.
Not particuraly(SP) siked about this game given all the hype, but hoepfuly soup delivers and not spoils.
7:19 CT
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2006 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
eww
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2006 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
or what
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2006 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
http://www.benotafraidweb.org/15778.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
detroit has us beat on the music
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
where's Chuck Berry?
it's official
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2006 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
man
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 25, 2006 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds good
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 25, 2006 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
rain delay?
Bernie says it is delayed an hour.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
This has become our good luck charm
I wanted to win that pennant worse thanI wanted any goddamned thing in my life.
You''d think I couldjust this once, wouldn''t you?
I didn''t care nothingabout the Series.Win or lose,I would have been satisfied.
I''d have walked away from baseballand I''d have bought a farm.Nothing like a farm.
Nothing like being around animals,fixing things. There's nothing like being in the field with the corn and the winter wheat.The greenest stuff you ever saw.
You know, my mother told me I ought to be a farmer. My dad wanted me to be a baseball player.
You're better than anyone I ever had. And you're the best goddamned hitter I ever saw.
Suit up.
Virtually all of Malamud's works are...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 25, 2006 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
haven't read the rest of his stuff.
I suggest you read "The Fixer" ...
There are those that think Ted Williams was the inspiration for Hobbs (at least to some extent---there actually was a major league player who was stalked and shot by a crazed female but I forget his name)both wore #9 and missed significant years of playing ball. Of course in the end Hobbs didn't hit a HR in his last at bat---only in the movies.
by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 25, 2006 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
we start with Joe Buck for a change
Hey, there's a pumpkin.
the war at home?
Title.
A documentary about Detroit?
by STLCardinalsFan on Oct 25, 2006 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
FOX tv
Thanks.
by STLCardinalsFan on Oct 25, 2006 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
god, how bout something related to baseball
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
better take a nap boys
Radio guys said the teams were told to "be prepared to stay very late."
yawn
Fox must be pissed.
why don't everybody
let's do it.
Anyone in St. Louis...
Also, what does "Evident the Wash" mean?
by muldster on Oct 25, 2006 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
an hour maybe
regardless, first pitch wasn't until 8:30 anyway
evident the wash
this might help
or more specifically,
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/10/22/233021/36/60#60
ask not for whom the bell tolls, cowboy
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 25, 2006 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Buck says as of the moment I'm typing this
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 8:19 PM EDT reply actions
pregame show
How does FOX show The War at Home?
I mean, I chuckle at the show but I'm sure a rerun of the Simpsons or even Family Guy would have been alittle tamer than this.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
While the game is delayed, FOX will bring you
Heh.
by STLCardinalsFan on Oct 25, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm jonah
oh, right
worst thing fox could have done
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
talk about killing the suspense
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
the war at home?
Criminal Minds
This is the 3rd episode of War at Home already.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i usually watch that
Walt says rain stops in half hour
are you kidding me
play the game already
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No...
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Valatan
ten more minutes per Joe.
I prefer the new Cardinals version of
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
where is it
I'm just kidding
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the new mets one is online
it is on iTunes
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT is funny
by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 25, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even know
So is the world series going
guess what
Duncan in right...
Also, I don't think Wilson's defense is bad by any means. He made a great throw in Game 3 of the NLCS to get Valentin at second. I like P-Dub. Yes, he strikes out a lot and has a low OBP, but he has still had some big hits in the post season and scored a lot of runs. Not expecting miracles from him tonight, but as they say, maybe he'll run into one. He's due for a HR at some point.
Fingers crossed...
by fandomismasochism on Oct 25, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
Dear Commissioner Selig,
Mr. Selig has received your message
anybody listening to Cardinals network?
Freaking hilarious - fall on the floor, wet your pants funny
Sutcliffe tells his famous "fireworks" story from Cincy - funniest thing I've ever heard
Those rain clouds are using pine-tar!
45 more minutes
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 9:33 PM EDT reply actions
my vcr is programmed
OH MY GOD SHE TOLD HILLARY SHE COULD GO!
weather's closing back in
Baseball is going to decide at 10/9 CT
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
KTRS is saying Fox
Guess who'll win??
fox
by jimmybaseball42 on Oct 25, 2006 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
we should know soon
The Storm
see redbirds fun
Fuck it
I have been busy
Why did I think there was a rainout in 2004?
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
update
stay tuned for updates. joe is waiting to hear if there is a game.
baseball is still deciding.
late local news in the meantime until baseball decides what to do. i want baseball!!!
there's no way they play this game
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
dedicated fans in the east will watch
I think
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 25, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
question
say it rains out til sunday
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
has a pitcher ever pitched two consecutive games?
The new 2006 version of 'Talkin Baseball' Cards
And each year they have a mission
....version
To end up in the classic in the Fall
Tony will not let them down
Though Izzy's not around
They're gonna be super with Wainwright and Looper, so let's play ball
I'm talking baseball
Molina, Dave, Scotty
Cardinals baseball
Chris Carpenter's red hot
Weaver, Juan and Duncan in the groove
Ronnie, Jim and Albert comin' thru
Talkin' baseball
Baseball in St. Lou
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
i think they should have been playing this whole
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
EVIDENT THE WASH!
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh well,
haha
Did you see my Talkin' baseball
It is on iTunes, lyrics above.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm stuck watching an episode of Taxi
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
i'd rather watch taxi
Looks like Tony is trying to fight
That would explain the Buenos Dias this morning.
Badum-Ching!
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ticket Question
by johnnymizzou on Oct 25, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
I think
whoops
i was wondering if you had lost your mind
If Thursday is played
If both are rained out, they will go back to being in order...I would assume.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
by johnnymizzou on Oct 25, 2006 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
based on last series
If they rainout tomorrow, you're on your own!! I suspect your tkt will be good for whenever the second makeup game is.
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 25, 2006 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 25, 2006 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Any thoughts on how this affects
I agree completely
updates?
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
Certainly Heathen
i have the local news
cedar rapids/ iowa city
http://www.fox2840.com/program/index.shtml
brother
While we wait
There are only two days in the calendar year on which none of the four major American professional sports leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL) has any games. Can you name them?
i don't know
Lions and Cowboys
july
by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 25, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
anybody know
i'm just glad I made it to the game last night. it was amazing.
by realRED429 on Oct 25, 2006 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
rain
Unfortunately, I know very little more than y'all do. I just hvae heard that we should be ready to be in it for the long haul tonight. I think they want very much not to call it tonight -- because tomorrow could be worse.
-M.
by cardsfan2222 on Oct 25, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Claiborne...
so annoying...
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 25, 2006 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
The days
by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Oct 25, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
any updates
i'll watch the CSI and Criminal Minds in reruns.
darn
POSTPONED
few things are worse than
by brock on Oct 25, 2006 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
world series schedule
thursday will be game 4, friday game 5
all this is weather permitting.
from cincy affiliate: "You want to play ball in St. Louis, you better have plenty of pine tar on your hands."
I've changed my mind
Now, if tomorrow night's game is postponed also, everything changes. It would give us the ability to go w/ Suppan, Weaver, and Carp in games 4, 5, and 6 and put off Reyes until game 7 if needed. That's what I would do if tomorrow's rained out also.
scenario
Carp in game 4 or Game 5?
Carp goes
Some might be afraid of pushing Reyes back to game 7 b/c he's a rookie. But he's also our 4th starter and he should be the 4th option in setting the pitching rotation. We want to end it before game 7 (and game 6 if possible) so we run our best guys out there as soon as we can.
short rest
Hmm...
by fandomismasochism on Oct 25, 2006 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I strongly disagree
With the rainout tonight, we have:
Wed -rain-
Thurs Soup
Fri Reyes/Weava, both full rest
Sat Weava/Reyes (or Carp on 3 days)
Sun Carp
So, I can't see that the rainout today makes a big deal -- except to my stomach, my job and my marriage.
It DOES give TLR the opportunity to move Reyes back if he thinks the Rook doesn't need the added pressure of pitching at home (but, then, he'd be bucking Dream's home/road splits, but these I think are less meainingful in WS).
But, if we have a chance to WIN it all at BuschIII, I can see TLR giving the ball to Weaver to spin a dream.
So, I think TLR goes Soup tomorrow and then Weaver/Reyes if we're up 3-1, but Reyes/Weaver if we are tied 2-2. And the ONLY WAY TLR would start Carp in Game 6 on short rest is if we are down 3-2, and I doubt he'd do it then b/c he'd have Weava on the road on full rest for 6 and still have Carp, on full rest, for 7.
Finally, what if we rainout TOMORROW(very possible):
Wed -rain-
Thurs -rain-
Fri Soup
Sat Reyes/Weava
Sun Weava/Reyes
Mon Carp
It looks to me that the analysis is the SAME as a 1-day rain-out. That is, if Soup WINS, then I think TLR throws Weava on Sat at home and Reyes/Carp on Sun/Mon, respectively. If Soup does that "other thing," then I think TLR throws the Rook at home on Sat and Weava/Carp on Sun/Mon at Detritus, respectively.
. . . and I'll be dead after back-to-back rainouts so I really don't care.
There is NO REASON to use anyone on short rest - and I'll bet my house that TLR doesn't start Carp in Game 6 (on regular rest) unless we are DOWN 2-3, Carp's his Game 7 guy - he's his firewall.
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 25, 2006 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming no more rainouts
No matter who pitches.
End it as soon as possible.
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 25, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
NO, NO this is GOOD!!!
I still say
so...
2006 Salaries
Anyone know of a better resource than ESPN or SI? They don't seem to have very good information on specific deals (for example: the Jeff Weaver deal).
Thanks in advance.
by EckEqualsClutch on Oct 25, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
there are 2 good ones
and
cot's baseball contracts:
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
cot's seems to be down at the moment though.
If you search the diaries there was a good discussion about this a month or so ago, when all seemed lost.
If tomorrow is rained out
St. Louis wins Game 4
Would you consider throwin Carpenter on 3 days rest with the opportunity of keeping the series from going back to Detroit?
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Not me
Exactly.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 26, 2006 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Rotation
Thursday: Suppan
Friday: Reyes or Weaver
Thursday: PPD
Friday: Suppan
Saturday: Reyes/Weaver
Thursday and Friday: PPD
Sat: Suppan
Sun: Carp
Your thoughts?
what do ya mean?
ps: Then why don't we just go to sleep?
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 25, 2006 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Get a room.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was tempted
At least TLR
Does anyone think
I doubt they'll play tomorrow either...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 25, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
What is the weather like in the Lou right now
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Still raining
All I want for Christmas is for Leyland to move Verlander up on short rest!!
It's supposed to be clear tomorrow for just long enough to play, but who knows.
Detritus did catch a break cause we were DEEP into their pen -- nine innings in three games over four days. But it can't really matter cause we are gonna bust out the whuppin sticks on their starters.
Please, oh please start Verlander! Or start Tony Romo!
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 25, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Weather
I was hoping they'd wrap it up tomorrow night
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 25, 2006 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion...
Football or baseball. And that doesn't mean you have to build one as stupid as the juice box.
It just makes sense.
- You can still have grass.
- You can close it for frigid weather
- You can close it wen the heat index is 105.
- No rainouts for baseball.
- If the weather is nice, by all means open it.
I do think the roofs should be closed due to a weather situation however.
by Pujols for MVP on Oct 25, 2006 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
the juice box
In my opinion,
Minute Maid is always closed because their record is better with it closed. Somebody needs to take Statistics 101
Bernie says Weaver in Game 5
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 26, 2006 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
So Suppan tomorrow night...
(This Game 4-Game 5 thing is going to get confusing. Technically, tomorrow night's game is Game 5, and Game 4 is the Friday game.)
Here's the problem with Weaver on Friday: Reyes can't come out of the pen if Weaver gets hurt or is ineffective early. His arm doesn't respond well to trying to get loose in the pen.
If Weaver takes a Mulder-type line drive to the arm or gets knocked around the yard, it's gonna be Babyface, Looper and a trip to Detroit.
by Quietude on Oct 26, 2006 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
if reyes comes in via injury to someone
obsessing now
LaRussa's approach seems to be, "Throw the best pitcher who is available," defining "available" as full rest. But, he deviated from that for Game 1, I think b/c Game 1 was a lower pressure start for the kid than Game 2 would have been. Why not do the same now?
If he starts Soup in 4 and Weaver in 5, that admittedly gives us the best chance to clinch at home. But, it puts Reyes on the hot seat for Game 6 if we don't clinch in 5, and if [I won't say it] happens, Game 6 could be an elimination game. What then? Going with Soup in 4 and Weaver in 5 creates the possibility of an elimination threat in Game 6 and the only starters being (a) a rookie, or (b) Carp on short rest. Dumb! And easily avoidable!
By starting Reyes in 4 and Soup in 5, you eliminate the foregoing ugly possibilty and, worst case, we have Weaver in Game 6 facing elimination, which I can live with.
Weirder, but even better, would be to start Reyes in 4 and Weava in 5. This keeps everybody on reg rest except Soup - but leaves Soup for the hotseat in Game 6. This puts both Weaver and Soup at odds with their home/road splits, though I just don't think those #'s are relevant anymore. It also runs the risk that Soup never gets to pitch, but I can't imagine that anyone will mind if we win in 5 without Soup getting a start -- except Soup of course.
So, most conservative, I'd go:
Reyes
Weaver
Soup
Carp
Slightly more aggressive is:
Reyes
Soup
Weaver
Carp
But stay away, please, from:
Soup
Weaver
Reyes
Carp
And, for pity's sake, stay away from:
Soup
Weaver
Carp (on short rest)
Soup (on short rest)
That's how a sure-fire recipe for a 7-game loss.
ok
weaver/reyes is a tough call
you can say he's bearing down, or you could say he's lucking out but i think i'd rather trust reyes who just doesn't allow a lot of hits to begin with. but it's almost a coin flip to me. i guess if it gives Carp a shot to face Rogers in 6, then Weaver gets the ball
Ok, i need some help...
When has John Rodriguez...
by 1985kid on Oct 26, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions

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