40 percent solution
Viva El Birdos, indeed. in 1968, the real El Birdos -- the cardinal team after which this blog is named -- played the detroit tigers in the world series; and here the cards are again, renewing their competition with the detroiters. in 1968 busch stadium II (the one they razed last year) was in its 3d season; none of the current cardinals had been born yet, and your humble blogger was in kindergarten. the cardinals' radio broadcast team comprised harry caray and jack buck; it was so long ago that the current radio guy, mike shannon, was still playing -- for El Birdos, no less. tony la russa hit .240 in 1968, his first season at triple A vancouver; dave duncan, his teammate there for about 1/4 of the season, got called up by the oakland athletics and appeared in 82 games for them, batting .191 with 7 homers.
there were no blogs (hell, no internet; no home computers) in 1968, nor any espn. and there sure as hell was no such thing as sabermetrics. bill james, the great professor of that discipline, was in high school or college or the army or something. for that reason, i'm tempted to dispense entirely with the usual pre-series number-crunching --- invoke the spirit of '68. but then i remember that the cardinals lost the series in '68; why invoke that spirit? the better reason to dispense with the numbers is this: they haven't been very helpful this postseason. there are years in which the numbers provide some interesting cues and foreshadowings, a few angles that sharpen our perspective as we watch a series; this october, not so much. when an injury-riddled 83-win team can get to the series, you might as well throw all the stats out the window.
but i'm not gonna. even if this series goes against the statistical grain, as the previous ones did, i'd still like to know what grain the games are going against. so let's start tracing out a few shapes.
PRELIMINARIES
before each of the last two series, i rough-gauged the cardinals' odds per voros mccracken's postseason crapshoot matrix and james click's chance estimator. those instruments placed the probability of a st louis upset over the mets at about 1 in 3; i'll spare you the math, but the quotients in this series are about 40 percent. that is, the cardinals have about a 2 in 5 chance to win. sounds reasonable to me; the tigers won 12 games more than the cards, finished with the 3d-best record in baseball, led the majors in era, and have gone 7-1 against playoff opponents -- they should be the favorites. but insofar as the cardinals are the 2d weakest world series team in history, a 40 percent shot against a foe as strong as the tigers ain't bad at all. at those odds, you wouldn't call it a shocking upset if the cardinals were to prevail. history's two most similar world series teams -- the '87 twins (85 wins) and '73 mets (82 wins) -- both took superior foes to 7 games; the twins actually won it in 7. the 1997 cleveland indians (86 wins) came within 2 outs of winning the series; the 2000 yankees (87 wins) won it all.
historically, weakling series teams have made a pretty damn good showing. if nothing else, we should expect a competitive series.
PITCHING
to reach the series, the cards had to beat the #1- and #2-ranked teams in nl era; they now confront a staff ranked #1 in all of baseball. that ranking is not just a figment of pitcher-friendly comerica park; the tigers led the majors in road era, which tells you they flat-out know how to pitch. if you adjust their 3.84 team era for the dh (which inflates scoring by 1/3 to 1/2 run per game), the tigers staff number translates to no worse than a 3.50 era -- more than half a run better than the padre and met staffs. formidable.
some aggregate numbers, with league ranks in parentheses:
| ERA | AVG | OBP | SLG | HR | BB | k/9 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| cards | 4.54 (9th) | .268 (9th) | .337 (9th) | .443 (13th) | 193 (12th) | 504 (5th) | 6.11 (12th) |
| tigers | 3.84 (1st) | .257 (2d) | .321 (3d) | .405 (3d) | 160 (2d) | 489 (5th) | 6.23 (9th) |
these stats tell us nothing about the st louis staff, which has been improved by the subtractions of marquis and sosa and post-injury isringhausen and mulder. it's a much better staff, in its present iteration, than the macro numbers suggest. but the stats do accurately depict the quality of the tiger staff, which profiles vaguely like that of the 2005 white sox, built around four workhorse starters and a fireballing bullpen. it's not a power rotation; all four starters yielded roughly a hit an inning and allowed opponents to bat about .260 (kenny rogers had the lowest opp avg, a pedestrian .253) and slug about .410. but three of the four starters fanned at least 5.9 men per 9 innings, which is pretty good (the cards only have two such starters, one of whom is anthony reyes); all walked fewer than 3 men a game. the pitchers are better than the mets' but not a lot better than the padres'; i don't think they will shut the cardinal offense down altogether. the batter least suited to exploit them would seem to be preston wilson; his game is to hit mistakes for home runs, and the tigers don't make those kinds of mistakes. their 160 home runs allowed were the 2d fewest in the american league.
the guy with the best numbers is bonderman, but he had a 4.87 era after the all-star break, which probably explains why he's slated for only 1 start in the series (game 4). both he and tonight's starter, verlander, have pretty significant lefty-righty splits. those two will pitch back-to-back in games 4 and 5 in st louis; i wonder if we might not see an all-lefthanded outfield of edmonds duncan and j-rod in one of those games, with spiezio dh'ing. wouldn't play it that way in comerica, whose capacious outfield requires good outfield defense at all three positions; but in st louis, i can see it. maybe.
for the 3d consecutive series, the cardinals have the single best pitcher on either team (carpenter). carp started rounding back into form in the game 6 start vs the mets, pitched well enough to win and finally got his curveball working again the last 2 innings of that start. he'll be matched up at home against the tigers' weakest starting pitcher. however, none of the cardinals' other three starters would have cracked the detroit rotation. that's not a knock against the cards' pitchers; it speaks to the depth of the tiger staff. it's also possible that la russa will start pitchers on short rest for two or possibly even three ballgames; if he's forced to do that, i don't give the cardinals much chance to prevail.
OFFENSES
let's just get the numbers right out there:
| R | HR | BB | SB | OBP | SLG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| cards | 781 (6th) | 184 (5th) | 531 (9th) | 59 (14th) | .337 (5th) | .431 (8th) |
| tigers | 822 (5th) | 203 (3d) | 430 (13th) | 60 (11th) | .329 (12th) | .449 (5th) |
the cardinal offense compares pretty favorably to detroit's; on balance, i think it's better. detroit's apparent advantages in runs and homers/slugging are largely a product of the dh; if you subtract the pitchers' hitting stats, the cardinals slugged .443 as a team, nearly a match for the tigers. more to the point, the cardinals have a vastly superior ability to get on base; they drew 100 more walks than the tigers, and their team obp of .337 was 8 points higher than detroit's even without adjusting for the dh. the tigers' low obp (24th among the 30 mlb teams) and apparent lack of discipline plays into the hands of the cardinal hurlers. in the 2004 world series they faced a much different type of offense, a group of hitters who took long at-bats, didn't stray outside the strike zone, and forced the st louis pitchers to get more of the plate than they wanted to. against the tiger hitters, the cardinals might be able to live where they are most comfortable, ie on the corners and just off them.
only 2 of detroit's top 12 hitters slugged over .500 this season, but 10 of the 12 were over .400; the cards have 3 sluggers over .500 (one over .670), but they also have 5 who slugged under .400. if we break down the offenses by batting-order slot, the tigers' superior balance becomes readily apparent. these figures are OPS; higher number highlighted in red:
| tigers | cards | |
|---|---|---|
| .765 | 1st | .701 |
| .731 | 2d | .764 |
| .715 | 3d | 1.091 |
| .805 | 4th | .910 |
| .937 | 5th | .846 |
| .792 | 6th | .652 |
| .750 | 7th | .704 |
| .809 | 8th | .682 |
the tigers' offense is a lot like the padres' -- balance throughout the lineup, no easy outs, but also no knee-buckling danger. they only have one batting-order slot above .840, while the cardinals have three; but the pads have no slots below .710 (ie, automatic outs), whereas the cardinals have 4. i find it odd that the 2 and 3 holes are the weakest in the tiger order. their #1 thru 3 hitters (typically granderson monroe and polanco) all had unimposing on-base percentages; monroe's was barely above .300. leyland also has been batting neifi perez (.260 obp this season; .298 career) in the #2 slot this postseason. on paper, the cardinals table-setters seem to have a greater capacity for harassing the opposing pitching staff and getting rallies started . . . but we've seen what paper advantages are worth this postseason. and don't forget, the cardinal offense will be batting against the superior pitching staff, which might neutralize (or worse) whatever advantages they might appear to possess. the tigers have increased their walk rate considerably during the postseason, reflecting a more selective approach at the plate; if they can maintain that discipline and force the cardinals to come to them, they may inflict some damage.
BULLPENS
for the 3d straight series, the cards will go up against a fearsome relief corps; the tiger bullpen finished second in the american league in era and 1st in opponent avg. they throw hard but are prone to wildness -- both rodney and zumaya walked a man every other inning. and the tiger closer, todd jones, is basically a right-handed version of mark mulder c2005 -- a groundball-oriented pitch-to-contacter. he only allowed 4 hr in 64 innings, but opposing hitters batted .276 against jones and hung 6 losses on him. he's particularly vulnerable in comerica, whose vast acreage makes balls in play so hard to defend; his home era was 4.67. zumaya and rodney are scary, but the remainder of the bullpen does not appear invincible; st louis needs to make those two guys throw pitches, wear them out and render them ineffective or unavailable for subsequent games. as for the cardinals' bullpen brats -- really, why bother? the numbers mean nothing where these guys are concerned. it's all about the matchups. the two primary LOOGY assignments in the tiger order will be curtis granderson and carlos guillen, both stymied by lefties; sean casey also merits special southpaw attention. josh kinney's job will be to set down craig monroe, ivan rodriguez, and magglio ordonez. the tigers have a weak bench and have only pinch-hit twice in the entire postseason, so la russa ought to be able to play his matchups with impunity; not a lot of countermoves available to leyland.
SUMMARY
i think this series will be won or lost in st louis. comerica neutralizes the tigers' main offensive strength (hr power), which in turn tends to level out the pitching staffs. detroit only outscored opponents by 43 runs at home this year and were neutral in home-run differential (81-81); the cardinals can win a game or two there. but on the road, the tigers were holy terrors; they outscored foes by 104 runs (that's 1.28 runs per game) and outhomered them by 43, and they led all major-league teams in road-game slugging (at .472) by a 16-point margin. the first two games at st louis will pit those powerhouse bats against the cards' two best pitchers, carpenter and suppan, who will both be pitching in their preferred environment (at home). games 3 and 4 will match strength against strength; that's where the series may turn. if the cards win both of those games, i think they'll be the world champions; if they split 'em, their task will be to stay alive until game 7, when they can throw a rested carpenter against detroit's nate robertson. 83 wins or no, the cards appear to have a solid chance to win this thing. a 40 percent shot? hell yeah.
other number geekery and pre-series stuff:
- jeff sackmann at hardball times makes it the tigers in 6
- danup mines baseball reference for some impressions of the tigers
- cardnilly goes over uniforms, ernie harwell, and the batter-pitcher matchups
- at go crazy folks, erik ruminates on iron bill's chances in game 1
- pip breaks it all down by FIP
- diaspora cites the world cup connection (and la russa is an italian name, you know)
- 26th man on the jeff weaver-todd jones love match
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Polanco
by rockin the red on Oct 21, 2006 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another great job lb...
Keep the games close, pull some out late and bring the title back to S.T.L.
by gforce on Oct 21, 2006 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep picking the Tigers to sweep!
by orlando card on Oct 21, 2006 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ken Rosenthal picks Cards in 7...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 21, 2006 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers' "secret weapon"...
by cardsrul on Oct 21, 2006 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LB
by Mr Redbird on Oct 21, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shhhhhh . . . . . .
by lboros on Oct 21, 2006 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do we DH?
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 21, 2006 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spiezio...
by Quietude on Oct 21, 2006 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Sean Casey
by salvomania on Oct 21, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
answer to my own question
Casey, who tore tissue around his left calf trying to start out of the batter's box in Game 1 of the American League Championship Series, seemed to move around comfortably during the workout without any setbacks. The Tigers got along fine without him the rest of ALCS by moving hot-hitting Placido Polanco to third in the order and shifting shortstop Carlos Guillen to first
by salvomania on Oct 21, 2006 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few comments
Second, Perez, I think only started 1 game for Detroit this postseason. They've been using Ramon Santiago at short. When Casey's been playing, it was Polanco in the 2 spot and Casey in the 3 w/ Monroe down at 7 or 8. I suspect if Casey plays, he'll be back in the 3 hole, Monroe 7, and Santiago 8 w/ Casey DH'ing.
Finally, I really think we have a good shot. They're hitting, as you correctly point out, is unimposing. They have a lot of power but if our pitchers can keep the ball in the park, it should be a low-scoring close series. Also, they have a lot of right-handed hitters. Granderson, Casey, and Guillen (switch) can hit lefty but, our starters have been vulnerable to lefties and pretty tough on righties. I think they'll keep it close. Also, look out for more of Looper (for better or worse). He's terrible vs. lefties but could match up pretty well w/ Ordonez, Pudge, Monroe, Inge, etc.
I've gotta hand it to Tony for giving the ball to Reyes to start off. It's a gamble but I think he'll be OK and keep us in the game. Let's go Cards! I really am so proud to be a Cardinal right now.
by chuckb on Oct 21, 2006 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
position analysis
by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some quotes
"The only question I have," said an NL scout, "is whether the Cardinals can win a game."
"The only way the Cardinals win," said a scout who covers both leagues, "is if they play perfect baseball."
"The only thing that gives the Cardinals a little hope is the [Tigers' six-day] layoff," said another NL scout. "But there's no rational way you should be saying anything but 'Tigers.' "
"It's hard to imagine that [Cardinals] team winning," said yet another NL scout. "I honestly don't see how Detroit loses this thing."
"That layoff may have done something to quell the Tigers' emotion and momentum," said an AL scout. "But other than that, there's no chance."
I don't know about you, but that sounds like Cardinals in 7.
by trogdor on Oct 21, 2006 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rotation explanation, please.
I said on Thursday it should be 1. Reyes, 2. Carp (short rest) 3. Soup 4. Weaver 5. Reyes 6. Carp 7. Soup.
Is the only reason for the current rotation to ensure that Carp doesn't pitch on short rest in Game 2? It seems that Carp on short rest after throwing 80 pitches is our lowest-risk play.
I'm not looking for another long discussion, just an explanation.
by OBPplusSLG on Oct 21, 2006 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion, if I want Carp
by sdrone on Oct 21, 2006 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
is having supps for only 1 start ideal? far from it, but its better than throwing away one of Carps starts by pitching him on short rest and on the road.
by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd add to that
by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The main reson
by cardsrul on Oct 21, 2006 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news for those of you
Lee Corso picked the Detroit Tigers in 7. He's the kiss of death. I always hate it when he picks my team. So I think we're in good shape.
I'll be out camping tonight, so I can't watch the game >:0. Stupid agreeing on this stuff months ago not even thinking we'd be in this position. Oh well, I'll have my phone out there checking regularly.
by Mr Redbird on Oct 21, 2006 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you think that is bad....
I can wear my Cardinal red dress, but I wonder if I will be forced to remove my baseball cap for pictures....
by ChiTown CardFan on Oct 21, 2006 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MP3
by SHUCardinal on Oct 21, 2006 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sure
by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link
here's my collection in a ZIP file, rather than upload 20 files:
Astros, ESPN, FOX, and KMOX calls of the Pujols 2005 NLCS Game 5 blast
Jack Buck's calls of Bob Gibson in 1971, Kirk's 1988 HR, Ozzie's 1985 NLCS HR, 1982 WS Game 7, Lou Brock in 1974
Mcgwire's 61, 62, and 70th HRs
Big Mac addressing the crowd
Mike's call of Pujols 48th HR, Yadi's Game 7 HR, the Beltran K at the end of NLCS Game 7
Stan's 3000th hit.
by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome!
by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
free swingers
Why? as lboros pointed out, this Tiger team is a free swinging group. They'll be far more likely to chase those balls off the plate that make our non-flame throwing staff so effective. Boston spit on those pitches and waited around for 3-1 fastballs over the middle to drill. For that reason, I think we gotta shot!
Go Cards!!!
by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
game 1 lineup
R-Eckstein
L-Duncan
R-Pujols
L-Edmonds
R-Rolen
L-Speez
R-Encarnacion
R-Molina
R-Belliard
I think surrounding Phat Albert with Eckstein, Duncan, Edmonds and Rolen is our best shot at getting him some good pitches. The mix of L/R throughout the heart of the lineup would also make it tougher for the Tigers to match up with their LOOGYs. Not that it matters when you have Zumaya...
by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like that lineup
AP has to get some protection, the Mets did a good job of holding him down. LB said all year, you can beat the Cardinals, but not Pujols. Well the Mets beat Pujols but not the Cardinals.
Call me crazy but I don't think that's going to shake out that way two series in a row....
by nota bene on Oct 21, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say
by SleepyCA on Oct 21, 2006 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would move Rolen...
by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hardball times article
by Leo on Oct 21, 2006 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice breakdown, LB
Also, we're undefeated this postseason against superior teams that swept their earlier round opponent. ;)
by roebirds on Oct 21, 2006 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he doesnt stike fear into you
by punchinjudy on Oct 21, 2006 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to sign every player named Carlos...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 21, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me card are stacked against the cards
Whatd be neat but wont happen is cards dawn the Blue Unis..oh ya...those ugly things may be an insiration??
I told my fatehr in law(stros fan visiting us) Id take a game 7 loss if it meant a good series, just to avoid a sweep...I want a win, but would take a good series loss
by punchinjudy on Oct 21, 2006 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else notice that in the NLCS
It just seemed odd to me after watching 95% of the regular season games and all the postseason games.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 21, 2006 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard him
by cardsrul on Oct 21, 2006 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
world series tickets
thanks
by adam21 on Oct 21, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just like vs the Mets
And one thing in the Cards' favor that I haven't seen discussed much: the Cards are by and large used to this pressure....they went to the Series in 04, and damn near made it in 05. Spiezio and Eckstein played for the 02 champion Angels. The Cards have WS experience; the Tigers don't. Just another intangible in our favor. Maybe it doesn't count for much but who knows?
by nota bene on Oct 21, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JM
Sounds like a Hall of Famer Joe Morgan kind of series -- throw out the numbers, 'cause they don't seem to mean a thing.
Of course, it will be an exciting series for Joe, on ESPN Radio, since he'll have numerous opportunities to say he hasn't really seen any of the Tigers or Cardinals play, but they seem to have a lot of "hustle" and/or "grit.
Kind of like his teammate -- the best teammate ever -- Tony Perez.
by sgfcards on Oct 21, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Joe Morgan type of series
by sdrone on Oct 21, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pre game music at busch
much appreciated.
by Fitz on Oct 21, 2006 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
by JxMetal on Oct 21, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
This is the kind of thing that makes me so in love with VEB. I asked a random question, I was sure that no one would have known, but within 2 minutes I got an answer.
Thanks
by Fitz on Oct 21, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we're thinking of the same song...
by kindred on Oct 21, 2006 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"kernkraft" by Zombie Nation
http://www.amazon.com/Presents-Stadium-Anthems-Music-Fans/dp/B00008V60D/sr=1-2/qid=1161465010/ref=pd _bbs_2/104-9264166-9565566?ie=UTF8&s=music
by kindred on Oct 21, 2006 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear
by iron duke75 on Oct 21, 2006 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They play that song from the Six Flags
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 21, 2006 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals Game 1 Win Expectancy: 55.68%
One thousand game simulations were ran. The addition of the DH and given the Cardinals deep bench really helps the Cardinals and gives them an edge on offense. The pitching is another matter. Should be a much closer series than everyone not in the St Louis area believes. vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Oct 21, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting, Xei
It'd be keen to see more output, specifically a histogram of final scores or at least a most-frequent score, or for fun, biggest blowout games.
by liam on Oct 21, 2006 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ex-Cubs?
We know the Tigers have Neifi. Are there any others?
Also, I can't think of any offhand with St. Louis.
by Red in Chicago on Oct 21, 2006 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I really can't think of any ex-Cubs beyond...
But they aren't ex-Cubs.
by matt reeder on Oct 21, 2006 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we do have Juan
No ex-Cubs that I can think of.
by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is carp starting game 3?
by adam21 on Oct 21, 2006 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually i think it is soup
by adam21 on Oct 21, 2006 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought weaver was starting game 2?
by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com says Weaver but...
by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lag time...
LaRussa takes his sweet time with it.
by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZAP!
- David Eckstein, shortstop
- Chris Duncan, designated hitter
- Albert Pujols, first base
- Jim Edmonds, center field
- Scott Rolen, third base
- Juan Encarnacion, right field
- Ronnie Belliard, second base
- Yadier Molina, catcher
- So Taguchi, left field
by liam on Oct 21, 2006 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the Way...
Tonight: Will miss most of game--Cards' win.
Sunday: Will see whole game--Cards' lose.
Tuesday: Will miss entire game--Cards' win.
Wednesday: Will miss most of game--Cards' win
Thursday: Will see whole game--Cards' lose.
Saturday: Will miss most of game--Cards win.
Cards in six. Write it down!
by glennrwordman on Oct 21, 2006 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what the hell
by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2006 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Hancock left off the big roster
by Red in Chicago on Oct 21, 2006 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey lboros
If you just search the comments for viagra or pharmacy or something I'm sure you'd see them.
Just thought I'd give you a heads up. I know how frustrating it is when spammers are trying to make money off an online community you've spent so much time making great.
by dontEATnachos on Oct 21, 2006 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineups
Eckstein 6
Duncan DH
Pujols 3
Edmonds 8
Rolen 5
Encarnacion 9
Belliard 4
Molina 2
Taguchi 7
(Reyes P)
Granderson 8
Monroe 7
Polanco 4
Ordonez 9
Guillen 3
Rodriguez 2
Casey DH
Inge 3B
Santiago 6
(Verlander P)
by Nate811 on Oct 21, 2006 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing...
by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has Rodriguez done
Johnny Rocket's 0-5 in the postseason and is suspect on defense. It would have come down to Rodriguez or Duncan at DH, and I'd've gone with Dunc, too.
I might have used Skip Schumaker in right over Encarnacion for better D, speed, and another lefty, but that's neither here nor there.
by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Verlander...
Is Schumaker on the roster for this round?
by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip's not available
by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taguchi's Contacts
We wouldn't want to start any international incidents here.
by faninexile on Oct 21, 2006 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Speezer?!
Gooch has been hot but I would get another left-handed bat and a better overall hitter in the line-up.
Another head scratcher from Tony. All his moves have worked out so far. Hopefully, that trend continues.
by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it either...
Maybe LaRussa wants to hold the lefties back for Zumaya and Co.
by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Cavazos
by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gooch has two things going for him
- He's an excellent fielder. Comerica is cavernous, and A.R. is prone to giving up long fly balls.
- He's been on an unbelievable hot streak.
by Red in Chicago on Oct 21, 2006 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stats on long rest?
by ChiTown CardFan on Oct 21, 2006 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Since the LCS has gone to a seven series format, three teams had swept prior to the Tigers accomplishing the feat in 06. 88 A's, 90 A's, and 95 Braves. Each of those team's opponents played a 6-7 game series in the LCS. The outcomes:88 A's (104-58) lost to the Dodgers (94-67) 4-1
90 A's (103-59) lost to the Reds (91-71) 4-0
95 Braves (90-54) beat the Indians (100-44) 4-2
by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok boys
Cardinals in 6.
by effin fisk on Oct 21, 2006 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs



















