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40 percent solution

Viva El Birdos, indeed. in 1968, the real El Birdos -- the cardinal team after which this blog is named -- played the detroit tigers in the world series; and here the cards are again, renewing their competition with the detroiters. in 1968 busch stadium II (the one they razed last year) was in its 3d season; none of the current cardinals had been born yet, and your humble blogger was in kindergarten. the cardinals' radio broadcast team comprised harry caray and jack buck; it was so long ago that the current radio guy, mike shannon, was still playing -- for El Birdos, no less. tony la russa hit .240 in 1968, his first season at triple A vancouver; dave duncan, his teammate there for about 1/4 of the season, got called up by the oakland athletics and appeared in 82 games for them, batting .191 with 7 homers.

there were no blogs (hell, no internet; no home computers) in 1968, nor any espn. and there sure as hell was no such thing as sabermetrics. bill james, the great professor of that discipline, was in high school or college or the army or something. for that reason, i'm tempted to dispense entirely with the usual pre-series number-crunching --- invoke the spirit of '68. but then i remember that the cardinals lost the series in '68; why invoke that spirit? the better reason to dispense with the numbers is this: they haven't been very helpful this postseason. there are years in which the numbers provide some interesting cues and foreshadowings, a few angles that sharpen our perspective as we watch a series; this october, not so much. when an injury-riddled 83-win team can get to the series, you might as well throw all the stats out the window.

but i'm not gonna. even if this series goes against the statistical grain, as the previous ones did, i'd still like to know what grain the games are going against. so let's start tracing out a few shapes.

PRELIMINARIES
before each of the last two series, i rough-gauged the cardinals' odds per voros mccracken's postseason crapshoot matrix and james click's chance estimator. those instruments placed the probability of a st louis upset over the mets at about 1 in 3; i'll spare you the math, but the quotients in this series are about 40 percent. that is, the cardinals have about a 2 in 5 chance to win. sounds reasonable to me; the tigers won 12 games more than the cards, finished with the 3d-best record in baseball, led the majors in era, and have gone 7-1 against playoff opponents -- they should be the favorites. but insofar as the cardinals are the 2d weakest world series team in history, a 40 percent shot against a foe as strong as the tigers ain't bad at all. at those odds, you wouldn't call it a shocking upset if the cardinals were to prevail. history's two most similar world series teams -- the '87 twins (85 wins) and '73 mets (82 wins) -- both took superior foes to 7 games; the twins actually won it in 7. the 1997 cleveland indians (86 wins) came within 2 outs of winning the series; the 2000 yankees (87 wins) won it all.

historically, weakling series teams have made a pretty damn good showing. if nothing else, we should expect a competitive series.

PITCHING
to reach the series, the cards had to beat the #1- and #2-ranked teams in nl era; they now confront a staff ranked #1 in all of baseball. that ranking is not just a figment of pitcher-friendly comerica park; the tigers led the majors in road era, which tells you they flat-out know how to pitch. if you adjust their 3.84 team era for the dh (which inflates scoring by 1/3 to 1/2 run per game), the tigers staff number translates to no worse than a 3.50 era -- more than half a run better than the padre and met staffs. formidable.

some aggregate numbers, with league ranks in parentheses:

ERA AVG OBP SLG HR BB k/9
cards 4.54 (9th) .268 (9th) .337 (9th) .443 (13th) 193 (12th) 504 (5th) 6.11 (12th)
tigers 3.84 (1st) .257 (2d) .321 (3d) .405 (3d) 160 (2d) 489 (5th) 6.23 (9th)

these stats tell us nothing about the st louis staff, which has been improved by the subtractions of marquis and sosa and post-injury isringhausen and mulder. it's a much better staff, in its present iteration, than the macro numbers suggest. but the stats do accurately depict the quality of the tiger staff, which profiles vaguely like that of the 2005 white sox, built around four workhorse starters and a fireballing bullpen. it's not a power rotation; all four starters yielded roughly a hit an inning and allowed opponents to bat about .260 (kenny rogers had the lowest opp avg, a pedestrian .253) and slug about .410. but three of the four starters fanned at least 5.9 men per 9 innings, which is pretty good (the cards only have two such starters, one of whom is anthony reyes); all walked fewer than 3 men a game. the pitchers are better than the mets' but not a lot better than the padres'; i don't think they will shut the cardinal offense down altogether. the batter least suited to exploit them would seem to be preston wilson; his game is to hit mistakes for home runs, and the tigers don't make those kinds of mistakes. their 160 home runs allowed were the 2d fewest in the american league.

the guy with the best numbers is bonderman, but he had a 4.87 era after the all-star break, which probably explains why he's slated for only 1 start in the series (game 4). both he and tonight's starter, verlander, have pretty significant lefty-righty splits. those two will pitch back-to-back in games 4 and 5 in st louis; i wonder if we might not see an all-lefthanded outfield of edmonds duncan and j-rod in one of those games, with spiezio dh'ing. wouldn't play it that way in comerica, whose capacious outfield requires good outfield defense at all three positions; but in st louis, i can see it. maybe.

for the 3d consecutive series, the cardinals have the single best pitcher on either team (carpenter). carp started rounding back into form in the game 6 start vs the mets, pitched well enough to win and finally got his curveball working again the last 2 innings of that start. he'll be matched up at home against the tigers' weakest starting pitcher. however, none of the cardinals' other three starters would have cracked the detroit rotation. that's not a knock against the cards' pitchers; it speaks to the depth of the tiger staff. it's also possible that la russa will start pitchers on short rest for two or possibly even three ballgames; if he's forced to do that, i don't give the cardinals much chance to prevail.

OFFENSES
let's just get the numbers right out there:

R HR BB SB OBP SLG
cards 781 (6th) 184 (5th) 531 (9th) 59 (14th) .337 (5th) .431 (8th)
tigers 822 (5th) 203 (3d) 430 (13th) 60 (11th) .329 (12th) .449 (5th)

the cardinal offense compares pretty favorably to detroit's; on balance, i think it's better. detroit's apparent advantages in runs and homers/slugging are largely a product of the dh; if you subtract the pitchers' hitting stats, the cardinals slugged .443 as a team, nearly a match for the tigers. more to the point, the cardinals have a vastly superior ability to get on base; they drew 100 more walks than the tigers, and their team obp of .337 was 8 points higher than detroit's even without adjusting for the dh. the tigers' low obp (24th among the 30 mlb teams) and apparent lack of discipline plays into the hands of the cardinal hurlers. in the 2004 world series they faced a much different type of offense, a group of hitters who took long at-bats, didn't stray outside the strike zone, and forced the st louis pitchers to get more of the plate than they wanted to. against the tiger hitters, the cardinals might be able to live where they are most comfortable, ie on the corners and just off them.

only 2 of detroit's top 12 hitters slugged over .500 this season, but 10 of the 12 were over .400; the cards have 3 sluggers over .500 (one over .670), but they also have 5 who slugged under .400. if we break down the offenses by batting-order slot, the tigers' superior balance becomes readily apparent. these figures are OPS; higher number highlighted in red:

tigers cards
.765 1st .701
.731 2d .764
.715 3d 1.091
.805 4th .910
.937 5th .846
.792 6th .652
.750 7th .704
.809 8th .682

the tigers' offense is a lot like the padres' -- balance throughout the lineup, no easy outs, but also no knee-buckling danger. they only have one batting-order slot above .840, while the cardinals have three; but the pads have no slots below .710 (ie, automatic outs), whereas the cardinals have 4. i find it odd that the 2 and 3 holes are the weakest in the tiger order. their #1 thru 3 hitters (typically granderson monroe and polanco) all had unimposing on-base percentages; monroe's was barely above .300. leyland also has been batting neifi perez (.260 obp this season; .298 career) in the #2 slot this postseason. on paper, the cardinals table-setters seem to have a greater capacity for harassing the opposing pitching staff and getting rallies started . . . but we've seen what paper advantages are worth this postseason. and don't forget, the cardinal offense will be batting against the superior pitching staff, which might neutralize (or worse) whatever advantages they might appear to possess. the tigers have increased their walk rate considerably during the postseason, reflecting a more selective approach at the plate; if they can maintain that discipline and force the cardinals to come to them, they may inflict some damage.

BULLPENS
for the 3d straight series, the cards will go up against a fearsome relief corps; the tiger bullpen finished second in the american league in era and 1st in opponent avg. they throw hard but are prone to wildness -- both rodney and zumaya walked a man every other inning. and the tiger closer, todd jones, is basically a right-handed version of mark mulder c2005 -- a groundball-oriented pitch-to-contacter. he only allowed 4 hr in 64 innings, but opposing hitters batted .276 against jones and hung 6 losses on him. he's particularly vulnerable in comerica, whose vast acreage makes balls in play so hard to defend; his home era was 4.67. zumaya and rodney are scary, but the remainder of the bullpen does not appear invincible; st louis needs to make those two guys throw pitches, wear them out and render them ineffective or unavailable for subsequent games. as for the cardinals' bullpen brats -- really, why bother? the numbers mean nothing where these guys are concerned. it's all about the matchups. the two primary LOOGY assignments in the tiger order will be curtis granderson and carlos guillen, both stymied by lefties; sean casey also merits special southpaw attention. josh kinney's job will be to set down craig monroe, ivan rodriguez, and magglio ordonez. the tigers have a weak bench and have only pinch-hit twice in the entire postseason, so la russa ought to be able to play his matchups with impunity; not a lot of countermoves available to leyland.

SUMMARY
i think this series will be won or lost in st louis. comerica neutralizes the tigers' main offensive strength (hr power), which in turn tends to level out the pitching staffs. detroit only outscored opponents by 43 runs at home this year and were neutral in home-run differential (81-81); the cardinals can win a game or two there. but on the road, the tigers were holy terrors; they outscored foes by 104 runs (that's 1.28 runs per game) and outhomered them by 43, and they led all major-league teams in road-game slugging (at .472) by a 16-point margin. the first two games at st louis will pit those powerhouse bats against the cards' two best pitchers, carpenter and suppan, who will both be pitching in their preferred environment (at home). games 3 and 4 will match strength against strength; that's where the series may turn. if the cards win both of those games, i think they'll be the world champions; if they split 'em, their task will be to stay alive until game 7, when they can throw a rested carpenter against detroit's nate robertson. 83 wins or no, the cards appear to have a solid chance to win this thing. a 40 percent shot? hell yeah.

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Polanco
Isn't it amazing how Polanco, the unsung hero when with the Cardinals, has now reached the point of superstardom? I think he, Ordonez, and Guillen are the big 3 we need to neutralize in order to keep their offense in check.
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by rockin the red on Oct 21, 2006 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Another great job lb...
I don't care how much ESPN says this is going to be a bad series....heck, only one 'expert' thought the Cards would get past the Pads. So all that tells me is that this should be one hell of a series.

Keep the games close, pull some out late and bring the title back to S.T.L.

Pujols just did WHAT...

by gforce on Oct 21, 2006 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep picking the Tigers to sweep!
I am so glad everyone is picking the Tigers to sweep or win in 5 games. When we went into the last two postseasons, we were supposed to win, so there was a lot of pressure. This year, we are just playing, almost like the 'Idiot Red Sox'. No pressure, we aren't supposed to be here, we're outclassed, we suck! Great, that's why the games are played.
A walk is a waste of three pitches-Bob Gibson

by orlando card on Oct 21, 2006 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Ken Rosenthal picks Cards in 7...
he says he has no reasoning behind it, but it would make sense.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 21, 2006 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tigers' "secret weapon"...
Do not overlook Brandon Inge in this series. Just because he bats 9th doesn't make him the weak link in their lineup. He had 27 hrs this year, plus he plays a very good 3B. I've known Brandon since he was a just a kid(his mom played softball for me at one time), so I've followed his career very closely. Since he was moved permanently to 3B, he has gotten much better. Just sayin'...

by cardsrul on Oct 21, 2006 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

LB
Good analysis.  But you missed one thing.  The all-lefty outfield would look great, and Speezer at DH would be even better...if it weren't for the fact we're playing those two games in St. Louis.  But Speez could be a good option off the bench.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 21, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

shhhhhh . . . . . .
i was thinkin' we sneak a dh in there for the home games, maybe nobody notices . . . .

by lboros on Oct 21, 2006 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who do we DH?
Duncan? With P-Dub in the outfield? That way we could have P-Dub without killing ourselves with him in the 2 hole, but we have Duncan ahead of Pujols sans his outfield hijinks. Perhaps against righties we DH Spiezio.
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 21, 2006 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Spiezio...
has experience DHing, so he knows how to stay loose between ABs.  I say we use him there.

by Quietude on Oct 21, 2006 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Sean Casey
available in this series? I wasn't paying close attention but thought he tore a muscle...

by salvomania on Oct 21, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

answer to my own question
"Right now, if I had to say off the top of my head, there's a chance he'll DH the first couple games," Leyland said Friday afternoon before his club worked out on the field. "So he wouldn't be quite as active, worried about making a quick move at first. That would give him two days, plus Monday -- three days before he has to go out in the field. But that's just a thought process right now. It's not a definite."

Casey, who tore tissue around his left calf trying to start out of the batter's box in Game 1 of the American League Championship Series, seemed to move around comfortably during the workout without any setbacks. The Tigers got along fine without him the rest of ALCS by moving hot-hitting Placido Polanco to third in the order and shifting shortstop Carlos Guillen to first

by salvomania on Oct 21, 2006 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few comments
First, there will be no DH in the games in St. Louis so we might see an OF of Edmonds, Duncan and either Spiezio or J-Rod.  

Second, Perez, I think only started 1 game for Detroit this postseason.  They've been using Ramon Santiago at short.  When Casey's been playing, it was Polanco in the 2 spot and Casey in the 3 w/ Monroe down at 7 or 8.  I suspect if Casey plays, he'll be back in the 3 hole, Monroe 7, and Santiago 8 w/ Casey DH'ing.

Finally, I really think we have a good shot.  They're hitting, as you correctly point out, is unimposing.  They have a lot of power but if our pitchers can keep the ball in the park, it should be a low-scoring close series.  Also, they have a lot of right-handed hitters.  Granderson, Casey, and Guillen (switch) can hit lefty but, our starters have been vulnerable to lefties and pretty tough on righties.  I think they'll keep it close.  Also, look out for more of Looper (for better or worse).  He's terrible vs. lefties but could match up pretty well w/ Ordonez, Pudge, Monroe, Inge, etc.

I've gotta hand it to Tony for giving the ball to Reyes to start off.  It's a gamble but I think he'll be OK and keep us in the game.  Let's go Cards!  I really am so proud to be a Cardinal right now.

by chuckb on Oct 21, 2006 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Some quotes
From scouts in Stark's column yesterday:

"The only question I have," said an NL scout, "is whether the Cardinals can win a game."

"The only way the Cardinals win," said a scout who covers both leagues, "is if they play perfect baseball."

"The only thing that gives the Cardinals a little hope is the [Tigers' six-day] layoff," said another NL scout. "But there's no rational way you should be saying anything but 'Tigers.' "

"It's hard to imagine that [Cardinals] team winning," said yet another NL scout. "I honestly don't see how Detroit loses this thing."

"That layoff may have done something to quell the Tigers' emotion and momentum," said an AL scout. "But other than that, there's no chance."

I don't know about you, but that sounds like Cardinals in 7.

by trogdor on Oct 21, 2006 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Rotation explanation, please.
Can someone explain why we are going with the current rotation that will either limit Soup to one start or have Carp and Soup both pitch on short rest in 6/7?

I said on Thursday it should be 1. Reyes, 2. Carp (short rest) 3. Soup 4. Weaver 5. Reyes 6. Carp  7. Soup.

Is the only reason for the current rotation to ensure that Carp doesn't pitch on short rest in Game 2?  It seems that Carp on short rest after throwing 80 pitches is our lowest-risk play.

I'm not looking for another long discussion, just an explanation.

by OBPplusSLG on Oct 21, 2006 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

In my opinion, if I want Carp
on short rest, I want it later in the series.   I don't want to come to St. Louis down 0-2.

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2006 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

because
short rest pitchers lose. its really that simple. we'd all love to have supps/carp/weaver pitch 6 of the 7 games, but when you reach the WS after a 7 game series, you usually just have to roll with who's rested and ready to pitch.

is having supps for only 1 start ideal? far from it, but its better than throwing away one of Carps starts by pitching him on short rest and on the road.

Pujols For MVP!

by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd add to that
that Carp is the worst of our SP's to throw on short rest. his arm is taxed and he relies on that boring fastball and power curve. if he isn't fresh, he loses that pop and is far more hittable.
Pujols For MVP!

by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main reson
for the way the rotation is set up is that the Cards lost game 6 of the NLCS. If they had won, Sup would be going tonight instead of Reyes; it's as simple as that.

by cardsrul on Oct 21, 2006 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh...
pray for rain. or freezing rain. or snow. or snow showers.

That will fix our short rest problems.

"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news for those of you
who are college football fans.

Lee Corso picked the Detroit Tigers in 7.  He's the kiss of death.  I always hate it when he picks my team.  So I think we're in good shape.

I'll be out camping tonight, so I can't watch the game >:0.  Stupid agreeing on this stuff months ago not even thinking we'd be in this position.  Oh well, I'll have my phone out there checking regularly.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 21, 2006 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

you think that is bad....
...my mother - supposedly still a RedBird fan and the person who taught me to love this team - is getting married next saturday and holding the reception during game 6. When she set the date back in august, my sister and i protested on grounds that it could conflict with WS and she said: "I don't think we'll have to worry about that this year!"

I can wear my Cardinal red dress, but I wonder if I will be forced to remove my baseball cap for pictures....

by ChiTown CardFan on Oct 21, 2006 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

MP3
Anyone know where I can get an MP3 of Jack Buck's '82 World Series call and other Cardinals audio clips?
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Oct 21, 2006 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

sure
give me a second
what other clips do you need?

by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6rk4ug

here's my collection in a ZIP file, rather than upload 20 files:
Astros, ESPN, FOX, and KMOX calls of the Pujols 2005 NLCS Game 5 blast
Jack Buck's calls of Bob Gibson in 1971, Kirk's 1988 HR, Ozzie's 1985 NLCS HR, 1982 WS Game 7, Lou Brock in 1974
Mcgwire's 61, 62, and 70th HRs
Big Mac addressing the crowd
Mike's call of Pujols 48th HR, Yadi's Game 7 HR, the Beltran K at the end of NLCS Game 7
Stan's 3000th hit.

by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is awesome!
Thanks cardsfan!
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

free swingers
great job lboros on pointing out the difference between our chances in 04 and now in 06. detroit is an awesome team. they pitch and pitch and pitch, play great D and can flat out rake from 1-9 in the lineup. STL is clearly the underdog ... but I have hope.

Why? as lboros pointed out, this Tiger team is a free swinging group. They'll be far more likely to chase those balls off the plate that make our non-flame throwing staff so effective. Boston spit on those pitches and waited around for 3-1 fastballs over the middle to drill. For that reason, I think we gotta shot!

Go Cards!!!

Pujols For MVP!

by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

game 1 lineup
With Verlander going, is it safe to assume that we'll see Duncan, Edmonds and Speez in prominant roles in the lineup??

R-Eckstein
L-Duncan
R-Pujols
L-Edmonds
R-Rolen
L-Speez
R-Encarnacion
R-Molina
R-Belliard

I think surrounding Phat Albert with Eckstein, Duncan, Edmonds and Rolen is our best shot at getting him some good pitches. The mix of L/R throughout the heart of the lineup would also make it tougher for the Tigers to match up with their LOOGYs. Not that it matters when you have Zumaya...

Pujols For MVP!

by TheFranchise9 on Oct 21, 2006 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

i like that lineup
and I think we'll see something like that, but with (as LB suggested) JRod batting 8th and Molina batting 7th to keep the L-R thing going.

AP has to get some protection, the Mets did a good job of holding him down. LB said all year, you can beat the Cardinals, but not Pujols. Well the Mets beat Pujols but not the Cardinals.

Call me crazy but I don't think that's going to shake out that way two series in a row....

by nota bene on Oct 21, 2006 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say
the Mets beat Pujols, unless you consider a .318 BA and .938 OPS a "defeat".  They managed to contain him by only letting him bat twice in the entire series with RISP, but they din't beat him.
You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 21, 2006 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would move Rolen...
down in the lineup until he gets some hits. He did swing the bat better in games 6 & 7 but I would like to see Speezer bat 5th and maybe Enc bat 6th.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

hardball times article
The Hardball Times article you link to is quite good, but it makes no attempt to account for the effect of a DH.  That would significantly cut into the advantage he gives the Tigers.

by Leo on Oct 21, 2006 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice breakdown, LB
I tell you, the Mets were a lot scarier to me than the Tigers are. I had to hold my breath every time a Carlos came to bat, and the Tigers don't have anyone like that. For the first time all season, I'm not even that worried about our pitching: it will come down to the Cards playing small ball, imo.

Also, we're undefeated this postseason against superior teams that swept their earlier round opponent. ;)

by roebirds on Oct 21, 2006 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

he doesnt stike fear into you
like the mets C2. They warm up to Carlos Santana though be scared..ok maybe not

by punchinjudy on Oct 21, 2006 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me card are stacked against the cards
but Id love to see them win this, makes for a great story..

Whatd be neat but wont happen is cards dawn the Blue Unis..oh ya...those ugly things may be an insiration??

I told my fatehr in law(stros fan visiting us) Id take a game 7 loss if it meant a good series, just to avoid a sweep...I want a win, but would take a good series loss

by punchinjudy on Oct 21, 2006 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else notice that in the NLCS
it seems as if Tony is 'hiding' in the dugout?   Usually, he picks his spot near the bat rack and stands there with a good view of the pitching mound, but going back through the NLCS games, it seems like he is constantly 'ducking' around, staying out of eyesight and such.

It just seemed odd to me after watching 95% of the regular season games and all the postseason games.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 21, 2006 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard him
mention in one of those in-game interviews that he didn't want to say much because "they" might be watching; maybe that's why it seemed that way. He's always been a little paranoid anyway...

by cardsrul on Oct 21, 2006 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

world series tickets
just wondering if anyone had any extra tickets or knows a good spot to buy them
thanks

by adam21 on Oct 21, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

just like vs the Mets
the longer this series goes, the more I like the Cards' chances. I think they lose a short series and win a battle of attrition--which is how they won the regular season and how they beat the Mets.

And one thing in the Cards' favor that I haven't seen discussed much: the Cards are by and large used to this pressure....they went to the Series in 04, and damn near made it in 05. Spiezio and Eckstein played for the 02 champion Angels. The Cards have WS experience; the Tigers don't. Just another intangible in our favor. Maybe it doesn't count for much but who knows?

by nota bene on Oct 21, 2006 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

JM
Intangibles, huh?

Sounds like a Hall of Famer Joe Morgan kind of series -- throw out the numbers, 'cause they don't seem to mean a thing.

Of course, it will be an exciting series for Joe, on ESPN Radio, since he'll have numerous opportunities to say he hasn't really seen any of the Tigers or Cardinals play, but they seem to have a lot of "hustle" and/or "grit.

Kind of like his teammate -- the best teammate ever -- Tony Perez.  

by sgfcards on Oct 21, 2006 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Joe Morgan type of series
"AS you can see, the Tigers clearly dominated this game.  Verlander maintained his velocity over the 4 innings he pitched and the Detroit pen did it's thing.    In this particular case the outcome was 5-2 Cards, but I think it's obvious Detroit really won the game."

by sdrone on Oct 21, 2006 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Mo
A friend of mine claims to have heard Joe Morgan say, "Computers are what caused Enron," in disparaging statistical analysis of baseball performance.

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

pre game music at busch
does anyone know the name of those techno songs or what not that they have been playing before the playoff games at busch?

much appreciated.

by Fitz on Oct 21, 2006 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think
I think you're talking about Sandstorm by "Darude"

by JxMetal on Oct 21, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow.
That's one of them, there is another one that they always play. It's kind of fruity, but it's an awesome pre-game thing when you are actually there.

This is the kind of thing that makes me so in love with VEB. I asked a random question, I was sure that no one would have known, but within 2 minutes I got an answer.

Thanks

by Fitz on Oct 21, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

if we're thinking of the same song...
... then i think "zombie" is in the title. "zombie freak" or something like that. the same song is usually on those Jock Jams compilations that ESPN and Fox Sports was putting out for a while.

by kindred on Oct 21, 2006 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I swear
I've heard them playing "We Like to Party" by the Vengaboys...anybody know for sure? It's the music from those Six-Flags commercials with the dancing old man...
"He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

by iron duke75 on Oct 21, 2006 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They play that song from the Six Flags
commercial all the time.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 21, 2006 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals Game 1 Win Expectancy: 55.68%
according to http://DodgerSims.blogspot.com/
One thousand game simulations were ran.  The addition of the DH and given the Cardinals deep bench really helps the Cardinals and gives them an edge on offense.  The pitching is another matter.  Should be a much closer series than everyone not in the St Louis area believes.   vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Oct 21, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

That's interesting, Xei
You said in your first 10/2 post that you're running 25 simulations... The WS sims are for 1000 games? Do you take into account batter/pitcher splits vs. lefty/righty, perhaps by using a different OBP weight for the pitcher in those situations?

It'd be keen to see more output, specifically a histogram of final scores or at least a most-frequent score, or for fun, biggest blowout games.

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sim Games
yes, I do all that.  I just don't keep track of the biggest blowout or most common score etc... but I do post the average score.  I know, not the same.  vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Oct 22, 2006 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ex-Cubs?
Guys, I think it's time to start thinking about the really important factor: namely, how many ex-Cubs are on each team.

We know the Tigers have Neifi. Are there any others?

Also, I can't think of any offhand with St. Louis.

by Red in Chicago on Oct 21, 2006 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Call
Ex-Cubs Factor favors the Cardinals 1-0.

Leyland's been doing a good job neutralizing that by only playing Perez once this postseason.

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I really can't think of any ex-Cubs beyond...
'Ol Squarehead, as my friend Chris calls Neifi. However, there are a few ex-Reds playing. Sean Casey, Josh Hancock, Todd Jones...and I'm sure at least one or two more.

But they aren't ex-Cubs.

by matt reeder on Oct 21, 2006 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

we do have Juan
He's an ex-Tiger though

No ex-Cubs that I can think of.

by cardsfan84 on Oct 21, 2006 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll
have one lurking about in the dugout:

Viz.

I say send him to the pressbox with Walt.

by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

is carp starting game 3?
just want to make sure before i buy tickets.

by adam21 on Oct 21, 2006 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB.com says Weaver but...
Tony can change that before the game. He will probably see how this game plays out before making his final decision.
"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lag time...
between it being posted somewhere on the internet and here is a hair slower than the speed of light.

LaRussa takes his sweet time with it.

by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

ZAP!
  1. David Eckstein, shortstop
  2. Chris Duncan, designated hitter
  3. Albert Pujols, first base
  4. Jim Edmonds, center field
  5. Scott Rolen, third base
  6. Juan Encarnacion, right field
  7. Ronnie Belliard, second base
  8. Yadier Molina, catcher
  9. So Taguchi, left field
click click

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the Way...
...it plays out, based on the fact that ~every~ game I've watched in it's entirety--the entire playoffs thus far--the Cards have lost:

Tonight: Will miss most of game--Cards' win.
Sunday:  Will see whole game--Cards' lose.
Tuesday: Will miss entire game--Cards' win.
Wednesday: Will miss most of game--Cards' win
Thursday: Will see whole game--Cards' lose.
Saturday: Will miss most of game--Cards win.

Cards in six.  Write it down!

by glennrwordman on Oct 21, 2006 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

what the hell
is more important that's keeping you from watching ALL of the games?

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 21, 2006 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey lboros
I didn't really want to post this in a thread but I couldn't find an obvious way to send you an email. was searching through some old comments today and finding a number of spam posts.

If you just search the comments for viagra or pharmacy or something I'm sure you'd see them.

Just thought I'd give you a heads up.  I know how frustrating it is when spammers are trying to make money off an online community you've spent so much time making great.

by dontEATnachos on Oct 21, 2006 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Lineups
My brother said Bernie posted them:

Eckstein 6
Duncan DH
Pujols 3
Edmonds 8
Rolen 5
Encarnacion 9
Belliard 4
Molina 2
Taguchi 7
(Reyes P)

Granderson 8
Monroe 7
Polanco 4
Ordonez 9
Guillen 3
Rodriguez 2
Casey DH
Inge 3B
Santiago 6
(Verlander P)

by Nate811 on Oct 21, 2006 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Disappointing...
Encarnacion and Taguchi over jrod? Give the guy a one game chance and double switch him out in the fifth, per usual.

by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

What has Rodriguez done
That you'd rather give him left-field over the Gooch?

Johnny Rocket's 0-5 in the postseason and is suspect on defense. It would have come down to Rodriguez or Duncan at DH, and I'd've gone with Dunc, too.

I might have used Skip Schumaker in right over Encarnacion for better D, speed, and another lefty, but that's neither here nor there.

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verlander...
is suspect against lefties... Speez and jrod seem more likely to do something against him than either Enc or Taguchi... You could swap out jrod for So after Verlander departs.

Is Schumaker on the roster for this round?

by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skip's not available
Rodriguez faced Verlander earlier this season and went 0-3 with 2 Ks. I'm with Tony that So's defense, as inconsistent as it was at times in the regular season, is worth having another right-hander in the lineup at Comerica. That's a lot of left field...

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taguchi's Contacts
TLR said in his pregame interview that he had received a phonecall from the Japanese Emperor expressing his disappointment that Taguchi had not started a game in the postseason.  TLR said that he had better "start Taguchi sooner than later."

We wouldn't want to start any international incidents here.

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 21, 2006 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Speezer?!
I would start Spiezio in LF instead of Taguchi.

Gooch has been hot but I would get another left-handed bat and a better overall hitter in the line-up.

Another head scratcher from Tony. All his moves have worked out so far. Hopefully, that trend continues.

"Don't fail to miss tomorrow's game!" - Dizzy Dean

by jdubya on Oct 21, 2006 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it either...
if you start jrod you reserve Speez for late inning pinch hitting and you have Taguchi as a defensive replacement.

Maybe LaRussa wants to hold the lefties back for Zumaya and Co.

by guayzimi on Oct 21, 2006 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks good
  gooch in left  dunc is dh

by CCERUTTI on Oct 21, 2006 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Andy Cavazos
Intheway pointed out the other day that John Nelson and Mike Rose were recently dropped from the 40-man roster. Just noticed that RHRP Andy Cavazos was added. If anyone who'd seen him in Memphis or Springfield has any first-hand observations as we wait for gametime, they'd be appreciated. Good K/9 rate--a tick under 9 at both stops this year.

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Gooch has two things going for him
besides the Emperor:
  1. He's an excellent fielder. Comerica is cavernous, and A.R. is prone to giving up long fly balls.
  2. He's been on an unbelievable hot streak.
I would have picked him for the D.H., myself. But if it's windy and conditions are tough, it's nice to know he's out there instead of J-Rod.

by Red in Chicago on Oct 21, 2006 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

stats on long rest?
Might have been raised before, but does anyone had hard data on how teams with 6 days rest have fared in the Series v. teams who won through to the Series after the full seven game?

by ChiTown CardFan on Oct 21, 2006 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup
Outraged looked it up the other day, and reported the findings in this comment:
Since the LCS has gone to a seven series format, three teams had swept prior to the Tigers accomplishing the feat in 06.  88 A's, 90 A's, and 95 Braves.  Each of those team's opponents played a 6-7 game series in the LCS.  The outcomes:

88 A's (104-58) lost to the Dodgers (94-67) 4-1
90 A's (103-59) lost to the Reds (91-71) 4-0
95 Braves (90-54) beat the Indians (100-44) 4-2

by liam on Oct 21, 2006 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok boys
I'm off to a friend's house to watch the game. Be back later. Let's go get 'um.

Cardinals in 6.

by effin fisk on Oct 21, 2006 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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