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NLCS Game 6 overflow + postgame

Birdos_avatar_tiny by lboros on in News Comment 454 comments

cardinals not getting good wood on the ball at all . . . . how bad does that fizzle in the 1st inning look now?

they still have 6 outs, and 1 more trip through the heart of the order. mets 2-0, bottom 7th. . .

Update [2006-10-18 23:46:16 by lboros]: 4-2 new york; it comes down to game 7. not much to cheer about until the 9th, when the cardinals finally got untracked; might bode well for tomorrow. let's hope so.

a few people in the game thread somehow got the idea that the pitchout called in the 7th inning cost the cardinals the game; interesting theory. when a manager calls a pitchout, and the runner is going, and he's out by 5 steps, that's generally a good call by the manager. and it's what should have happened --- except molina threw the ball into centerfield. nothing at all wrong with the call --- perfect anticipation by la russa. the fault lay with the execution . . . .

it's further suggested that the focus on the baserunner led directly to the subsequent scratch single by reyes --- again, not very logical. looper made a good pitch and got reyes to hit a groundball, which didn't even get out of the infield and didn't drive in a run.

but hey, if it makes you feel better to believe that the pitchout caused reyes' infield hit and the subsequent two-run single by lo duca, by all means be my guest . . . .

all in all, a discouraging game --- and even more discouraging game thread, one of the worst ever on this board. we can't control how the team plays tomorrow; we can control the degree of maturity and perspective and balance we exhibit on this forum.

those qualities were not in great supply this evening.

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Blooper coming in...
for the 7th.  Not a comforting thought.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....something sounds fimiliar
Eckstein singles
#2 hitter walks
Pujols HRs

We win game.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Game 7 Sim
DodgerSims is giving the Cardinals a pythagorean win expectancy of .556 for game 7.    vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Oct 19, 2006 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And on more trip
through the heart of the Birds' order, too.  Give me Albert or give me Game 7!

by glennrwordman on Oct 18, 2006 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or give me death!
i don't think i can go through this again. my emotions can't take it
"Go Crazy, Folks! Go Crazy!"

by erik on Oct 18, 2006 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know Tags had the go ahead HR the other night
but..... when is the last time we were down 2 runs in the 8th or deeper and came back?..... hmmm

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols against the Padres
to end the 7 game losing streak, no?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's 1 out Looper
Now get the blackhole Chavez here.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

problem is
if anyone gets on base, you know they will just end up IBB'ing Pujols, so it will be left in the hands of Edmonds (cringe)

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Got to make sure
No more Met runs.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 18, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

I dunno what to say...

When you produce 3 hits and no runs against John Maine in a clinching game 6 of the NLCS with your ace on the mound, its gut check time.

Does anyone know what Rolen has done in the post season since he hit the dinger off Clemens?  I know he went hitless in the WS vs Boston, after that I can't recall much of anything.

Although it ain't over yet.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 18, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...and in other news
the sun rose in the East this morning.

Looper is as popular in New York as Sherman is in Georgia...

by glennrwordman on Oct 18, 2006 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looper's in
TLR speak for "We ain't winning this one."

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

son
get that doubt and unbelief oughta here. there are still 6 outs to get and some bats ready to come through, that have been comin' through
"Go Crazy, Folks! Go Crazy!"

by erik on Oct 18, 2006 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not. . .
we haven't done very well getting any home.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 18, 2006 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heilman
For those that may have watched some Mets ball.... is he any good as a setup man?....I thought I remember him and Randolph scuffling earlier in the season?

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heilman
When he's on, he's very, very nasty.  93-95 with movement, plus change.  wants to start, has accepted being an 8th inning guy.  Tough.

by glennrwordman on Oct 18, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looper is
doing well so far. I still remember that sunday night game against Houston where he worked out quite a few jams. It was against Houston, but still . .

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Lopper will be a "W" Vulture
Tonight like he was during the regular season.

by Podlol on Oct 18, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do they go with Wagner in the 8th?
It would make sense to me.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i feel much
better against Wagner than I do against Heilman

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huge Game -
and Carpenter is outpitched by John $#@#$# Maine. Unbelievable.

I guess Met fans were saying the same thing last night about Glavine.

I need a new hobby.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And here comes Jose again
Geez oh man.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strike him out here Looper
Curveball DOWN!!!!!!!
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did I say DOWN
DOWN
DOWN
DOWN
DOWN
DOWN
DOWN
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't like Heilman
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5410

4 for 40 as a team with 19 strikeouts...almost reminds me of another very good reliever in another LCS...I hope Albert remembers too.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 18, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A ball hit to the right side is going to score a
run with Pujols having to stand ON the bag.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys
what's everyone's thoughts about Game 6? Kinda reminds me of a Game 6 that happened 364 days ago...

by ryanisforever on Oct 18, 2006 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Throwing over
to first with 2 outs and 2 strikes on the batter pisses me off. Takes the focus off the hitter.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK
Pardon my language, but DAMNIT

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh yomo
that is not what we needed right now

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Micheal Tucker is the 2006 version
of the 2004 version of Dave Roberts.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's been that kind of night
Right call, uncharacteristic bad throw by Yadi...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Horrible, horrible throw
Second time tonight he's made a bad throw.

by ryanisforever on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHY?!?!?!?!?
A PITCHOUT WITH 2 OUTS AND 2 STRIKES???? WHY????!?!??!!!??

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

excellent play by Eck
that would have been the kiss of death right there if it snuck through

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah well...
If you had told me we'd make it to game 7 of the NLCS this year, i'd of called you a liar , I suppose I shouldn't be disappointed. These damn Birds got me greedy though, only to let me down.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BECAUSE IT FUCKING WORKED
The throw wasn't right, however.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But it's unnecessary!
It makes no baseball sense! He had the hitter 1-2! Then threw over TWICE! Focus on the friggin hitter and get in the dadgum dugout!

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice play
by Eck, but I don't think Tucker scores there.  Speez was about forty feet behind Eck...

by glennrwordman on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah
taking carp out seems like it was a good idea.

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how many times do see David Eckstein
make a great play on defense
then come up and lead off with a 2-run home run!

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, since he is leading off next inning
THAT would be something to see.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that saved a run
even though i'd rather it have been an out
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,
but we have soupie vs. a short rest/old man lefty coming up this time.

by toris34 on Oct 18, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damit
just get the thrid out. Who cares about Tucker I don't and neither should the Cards. Stop waisting time on something that doesn't matter.

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Belly
ever keep his tongue in his mouth?

by glennrwordman on Oct 18, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looper
is just awful when the pressure is on. Or does it just seem that way?

by ryanisforever on Oct 18, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's molina's fault
halfway decent throw on the pitchout, inning over

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looper
game set and match right there

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And now...
Because the Cards were sooooo concerned with Tucker at first, they have gotten looper all out of sorts... what a dumb move.

DAMN>>>JUST IGNOR TUCKER AND REYES AND GET THE FREAKING OUT>>>>

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GAME OVER

by siucardsfan on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SHIT!!!
I'm soooo happy we tokk carp out of the game for a shitty pop-up.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That
is on La Russa. A fricking pitchout on a 2-2 count with 2 outs.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why Tony thinks Looper
can nut up and get it done after struggling...

That pitching change should have come 1 batter sooner.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, we know LaRussa
made the right decision making Wainwright the closer and Looper the mop up man.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great idea TRL
remove our best pitcher when he was still under 80 pitches and set down the last inning 1-2-3.

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to bed
I stayed up to midnight to watch a win. I'll try to stay up for Pujols' at bat, but I'm not up to this.

I have to say, regardless of how tomorrow goes, this postseason is much more fun than 2004 or 2005.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

F U LOOPER!!!
And FU TLR FOR PULLING CARP.

Man, he sucks.  I can't believe how bad we overpaid him.

What a loser

by armitagecard on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's a banning offense
you're gone, armitage. we don't tell players, the manager, other posters, anyone to "F U" at this site.

that sort of thing is for the elementary school playground.

this site will just have to struggle along without your valuable insights . . . .  

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too little too late
TLR, why waste the pen now?

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This has been one of their fundamentally
worst innings in awhile. Bad play by Spiezio, awful throw by Molina and Braden Looper is another guy who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a mound in the playoffs.

by ryanisforever on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well,
we don't have to worry about Tucker and Reyes now!
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does any one know
If the Cards preoccupation with with Tucker trying to steal was the call from LaRussa or the call from Molina?

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they were right to do it
had tucker dead to rights on the steal; just didn't execute.

if molina makes a simple throw to 2d base, all the effort expended on tucker would have been worth it.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great move taking out Carpenter
Just fabulous. Oh and thanks for bringing in Looper. Nothing like waving the white flag.
MY GOD!! THAT's ADAM WAINWRIGHT'S MUSIC!!!

by Rob Rabies on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And White Flag...
keeps us right in the game by doubling the Met lead.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why why why
are we looking at looper in a close game
we just gave the mets two extra outs
blah!
is that what they look like? psychos? let me tell you something...pyschos dont explode whhen sunlight hits them, no matter how crazy they are

by benstl on Oct 18, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm so sick
of this team giving me hope........sorry

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This game can be summarized so far by this:

LOOPER!?

WTF!?!?!?

I'm sorry, but what the hell is he doing in there? This isn't spring training. He hasn't proven himself. He doesn't deserve that spot. I thought Tony had figured that out this year (for a change).

by glamberson on Oct 18, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd say
LaRussa.. I've never heard of a catcher with the power from his manager to call a pitch out on his own.

Whoever called it, it was possibly the dumbest baseball move I have seen this season.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why anyone
is upset about Carpenter being pulled.

With a runner on first base and one out trailing 2-0, you need a run there.

by ryanisforever on Oct 18, 2006 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah we don't
Because the Cards couldn't figure that out when the team could have bared down and gotten the 3rd out. Stupid freaking pitchout...

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why was the pitchout
a bad call????? they had him out! nothing wrong at all with the call; molina just didn't execute it.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way to go Looper
'course, if Speez had made the play in left on Tucker, he would a been out of it.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THE FLIPPING PITCHOUT
FLIPPING WORKED! YOU GUYS ARE PICKING UP ON THE WRONG FRICKIN THING - Carp should not have been pulled, I agree, but the pitchout worked perfectly, Yadi just made a bad throw.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it worked,
but it shouldn't have been called!

You've got it backwards... pulling Carp was the right decision, the two throws over and the pitchout are the mistake.

ANnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd would you look at that.

Scott Rolen made an error. Get off the fricking field.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

boys, i still like our odds
Work is rough right now, so probably not much action/reading for me on here tomorrow..  Let's get'em soupie

by toris34 on Oct 18, 2006 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael Tucker
had 2 SB's this season, yep, you should have been really concerned with him. Very very stupid playcalling and was the difference in this game being won or lost

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh sure
that was the difference.

brilliant analysis

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
not the difference in the game won or lost (that difference is in the Cards lack of timly hitting), but the pitchout and worrying about Tucker is deffinatly the deciding factor in the 2 insurance runs scored in that inning.

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all molina had to do
was throw the ball to 2d base. they played it just right . . . . .

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are right
the leaving 3 guys on base in the first inning didn't help either

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stand by it
if you can't see the lack of focus on Reyes being the key difference between a 4 run and 2 run game . . . .

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't see it
because it isn't there

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pick that nose
loser

by armitagecard on Oct 18, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Being
very optimistic here, as long as TJ can keep this in slam range they've still got a shot.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OMFG
Oh. My. Fucking. God.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice play, Scott.
You're really helping the ballclub.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry
but Scotty Ro is out tomorrow
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

defense
THAT'S why we pay all that money.
"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
this is a meltdown

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

E5
and that'll be an error

give rolen a day off

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat

by cardsfan84 on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OH bull
Pulling Carp down by 2 with a man on 1st and one out was the right move.

The wrong move was then allowing the runner at first to get into Loopers head. I mean did you see how many stops and starts and stepoffs there were in the Reyes AB? Just get the guy out. Tucker didn't matter unless Looper failed.

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Your ace starter
With 76 pitches and 1-2 innings left in him?

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when you are behind 2-0
you need runs. for god's sake, how can anybody fail to see that?

you're down two runs, you have 8 outs left --- you don't just give an out away. you have to try to score.

it would have been idiotic to leave carpenter in at that point

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno....if Carp maintains the lead
you are still a bloop and blast away from a tie game in the 8th or the 9th.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

belliard supplied the bloop
and duncan was the cards' shot at a blast.

you can't give away scoring opportunities at the end of a close game. our bullpen has been solid this series except for two innings --- the hancock / thompson blowup in game 4. looper pitched great in games 1 and 4.

and he should have been out of that inning but his defense betrayed him. bad throw by molina . . . .

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so.
Last time he was benched, we won.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to suck...
...then suck well.

Get it out of your system.

Current win expectancy 1.9%

by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 18, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's it ...
If Rolen can't play defense, get him the F$#K OUT OF THE LINE UP.

He's bleeping useless.

G'night.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope we are getting our lack of
offense and defense out of our system tonight

by Podlol on Oct 18, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Rolen
it's starting to become actually humorous now

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rolen should have made that play..
...but I don't know that Spiezo makes it either.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR
should pull a Frank Robinson and pull Rolen in the middle of the inning.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This series
reeks of '96 right now

by Nate811 on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This game was lost
in the 1st inning.  Edmonds had an absolutely horrendous AB where he swung at 3 straight balls w/ runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out.  He HAS to get 1 in, but Maine was reeling and if Edmonds is patient and works the count, there's a good chance that he gets a hit and we put up a crooked #.  With Carp on the mound, the crowd would've been deflated and we could have rolled to the win.  Getting out of that jam gave them a lot of momentum that the homer in the bottom half just magnified.

Tonight there was just 1 terrible AB after another by our hitters -- the Edmonds AB in the 1st and the Pujols AB in the 5th or 6th as perfect examples!

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You sir have posted the winning analysis...
...of the "effort" put forth by the deadbirds tonight.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Oct 18, 2006 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks
it was either a terrible game plan or terrible execution.  I can't believe that we pissed this opportunity away and will force Suppan to face the Mets again while our hitters will face a lefty again!

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BINGO
tonight was just one horrific at bat after another. i'm not sure what kind of approach - if any - we had as hitters entering tonight, but it sucked. pretty disgusting effort tonight by the bats.

Props to Carp and the pen for keeping it close, but I agree...the ticket to the W.S. was offered up to us on a silver platter in the 1st freakin inning and we passed on it.

How many stinking lazy fly balls did we hit tonight???

DEEP BREATH....sigh. Ok, GM 7 - Supps vs Ol Perez. Let's do this!

Pujols For MVP!

by TheFranchise9 on Oct 18, 2006 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the pitch out was a good call
i like it
he should have been out by 3 steps....
molina nails him 95% of the time
damn it scotty
is that what they look like? psychos? let me tell you something...pyschos dont explode whhen sunlight hits them, no matter how crazy they are

by benstl on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No.
It's. Not.

There is NO REASON to pitch out. You have the hitter set up perfectly, 1-2. Two outs in the inning. It's the leadoff hitter at the plate. Forget about the runner at first, get the hitter out.

Plus, you've got Reyes out, so you don't have to worry about him the next inning.

Pitchout=What the F*^% was La Russa thinking???

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are blind
la russa nailed it --- he had the runner dead. the catcher didn't make the throw.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why
was it the right move. Does it matter if Tucker steals second if Looper gets Reyes out? I mean Reyes was down 1-2 in the count and then came the series of throws over, step offs, and finnaly a pitchout. Talk about a good way to disrupt a pitchers rythm?

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And
If Looper gives up a double with the runner going?

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I recall correctly
they both ended up scoring, and nobody got out, without the pitch out you increase your chances of getting one out.
Muck the Fets

by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Oct 18, 2006 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then after all that
reyes hits a routine groundball that happens to find a hole . . . . so what? it's not as if looper grooved a pitch and gave up a homer.

i give up . . . . .

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well tell me...
Pick your poison. Would you rather have Reyes and Tucker on (regardless of the base) because you mess around with the pitchout and help Looper loose focus, or would you rather try and get out of the inning. I feel safe saying that any move that allows Looper to loose focus and increases the likelyhood Looper pitching in high leverage situation is something I want to focus.

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

somebody please tell me
that if Molina had made the throw to end the inning that you would still be on here shredding TLR for making the call???

Cmon, they clearly picked up on something and would have be stupid not to act on it by pitching out. How is that a bad decision? If you know they are running, pitch out and gun them down.

Bad execution doesn't mean bad decision.

Pujols For MVP!

by TheFranchise9 on Oct 18, 2006 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Yes I would have. At the time I was commenting about why in the world were the cards so worried about Tucker when the man at the plate was who mattered.

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the pitchout absolutely was a good call
Looper wasn't holding runners well and you have to keep that runner from reaching second base.  Considering the way we hit the ball tonight, however, the 4 run lead was really no larger than the 2 run lead.  We were awful at the plate and I had long since lost confidence in our ability to score 1 tonight, much less 4.

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok
if eck and speez get on then pujols will produce.

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please
Someone break a bat in the 8th and stab Rolen in the heart with the shard from the handle.
MY GOD!! THAT's ADAM WAINWRIGHT'S MUSIC!!!

by Rob Rabies on Oct 18, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rob, since you're new to the site
i will not ban you for that comment --- yet.

we do not tolerate infantile ravings at this site. say something intelligent, or say nothing. do not pollute this site with your bile. i don't want any part of it.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think the Cards can win this game
maybe it's just blind optimism, but we've turned the line-up over here and baring a base hit in the 8th or 9th innings by the Mets, they will have 5-6-7, 8-9-1.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We won't score a run tonight....
not to be a pessimist, but the offense is just completely ice cold tonight. We had our chance in the first inning and blew it. I don't think I could dislike Scott Rolen any more then I do right now.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See y'all tomorrow night,
I'm going to get some sleep too.  Let's go Soup!!

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok
We absolutely must have production. A nice single single walk grand slam by Edmonds sounds good...

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
We are still in slam range. Next time Rolen's spot comes up, Preston Wilson better be standing in the batter's box, and Speez better be getting his infield glove from the clubhouse.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont care
Rolen's D has never been in question, Im just really disgusted with his lack of offense and the fact that he's been hurt for the last 2 years straight.  Spez at 3rd not rolen but solid defensively, Dunc in left.  Watch us win, guaranteed.

by paulob4 on Oct 18, 2006 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hurt
Any production out of Rolen this year was a positive (I still think he came back too early from the shoulder injury).

I DO want him sitting on the bench now, however.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple things
I wonder that if needed and thought it was a good idea if Carpenter would pitch a Randy Johnson from the Diamondbacks and pitch tomorrow if LaRussa thought we really needed an out and would NOT throw Looper.......

Two, this loss pisses me off a bit for the simple fact that it looked like the boys had NO fire like they did in NY.....but I guess that happens when you have 2nd and 3rd in the first inning with one out and cant score with Edmonds up....... and then Carp gives a leadoff HR to the most annoying player in baseball.....

Three......the lineup I would assume tomorrow would be:
Eckstein - SS
Wilson - LF
Pujols - 1B
Encarnacion - RF
Speezio - 3B
Edmonds - CF
Belliard - 2B
Molina - C
Soup - P

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Game over
Unless Albert can hit a 5 R HR here.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
i'm so frustrated with this game.

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Swap Encarnacion for So, and I agree
I can't stand that hole in the lineup any longer.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please Pujols
This is our last shot at making something of this game.. You do something here and the team will respond.. Do what  youve done all year

by El Hombre on Oct 18, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd
Pujols singles with nobody on.

Lovely.

C*ck tease.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

have,kt lost a LCS game
When Puj gets a hit
"Feel my ears, Mike!" -- Jack Buck

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 18, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a start
how about you keep it going Jimmy.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
You guys say that when Albert starts hitting, the rest of the team wakes up...he just got a 2-out single, what's going to happen?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not too much
if Blue is gonna give 6 inches off the plate.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Jimmy turns around
and yells in the Umpire's flipping face if he gets out.

Ain't gonna happen, but these Umps need a yelling to.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea
we're not winning this one.

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

night boys
Can't believe I stayed up for this crap.

by SirVLCIV on Oct 18, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Annnnnd
Strike 3.

There's the Cards I know and hate. Terrible time to remember that they aren't supposed to be here.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade idea
Rolen and Reyes for A-Rod?

by paulob4 on Oct 18, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

um
We're here all over Rolen's case for a lack of production in the postseason, and you want to trade for A-ROD?

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh
I would trade Rolen and someone to NY for A-Rod.  I happen to think A-Rod just needs to get out of NY.  Just my opinion.  Could also be that I am pretty down on Rolen right now.  

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 18, 2006 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would do it a second.
ARod just needs the pressure lifted and he will be fine. I think he would thrive in a city with realistic supportive fans. No need to even comment on NY fans.
I would love a healthy thirdbaseman.

by deanj on Oct 18, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

healthy 3rd baseman
even if he's a shortstop?

by brock on Oct 18, 2006 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

realistic supportive fans?
Like some of the people posting on this thread?

by Dirk Dorkelson on Oct 19, 2006 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when there was talk of a
Heilman for Marquis trade?  How awesome would that have been?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant
Cards in 7

Bases loaded + Rolen = Game 7

"Feel my ears, Mike!" -- Jack Buck

by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 18, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is the Ump tomorrow?.. anyone know?.....
and on the topic...... Perez on three days rest?... or Oliver?.....

going to be the biggest decision Randolph makes all postseason

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Will it matter?
I think we blew it tonight. How can you look so bad against a John Maine when you have a shot to advance. If the Birds were going to win this series it would have been tonight. Everything is in NY's favor in game 7 no matter who they pitch.

by deanj on Oct 18, 2006 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the guys just remembered that
we always suck in the LCS

by siucardsfan on Oct 18, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Soup!
If I had Rolen's LOB numbers the last 45 days, I wouldn't want to talk to La Russa either......

by TexasCardinal on Oct 18, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mets strategy with Albert
has worked perfectly for them.  He is not getting any chances to make a true difference (other than solo homers or starting a rally).  It's not like we have done a good job of creating the opportunities though.....

by wildman on Oct 18, 2006 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This loss
is not on Rolen singularly, so stop ragging on him. The middle of the Cards attack (Juan through Rolen) came up empty and that is the difference.

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but
it's tough not to get on a guy who's playing the Prima Donna a little bit after being benched, then when he does play, can't hit a beach ball with a tennis racket, and makes an error defensively, which is the only saving grace he had up until that point.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever
No one said its just Rolen.  But he hasnt done squat all post season.  thats what everyone's point is.  Look deeper than 1 game man, open your eyes.

by paulob4 on Oct 18, 2006 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I
don't know. Has he been worth 12 million in this series? No I doubt it. But he hasn't been horrible, coming up with a few nice singles, good D, and he has looked better at the plate the past few games.

by JMedwick on Oct 18, 2006 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to produce...
or be quiet. It's no different than when Marquis was whining that he was left off the roster or last year when King whined about not pitching. LaRussa's job is to put the best team on the field and not worry about the player's feelings.

THERE'S NO FELINGS IN BASEBALL

OMG! Rolen just got a hit, well shut my mouth and make a liar aout of me. Please!

by JimCno on Oct 18, 2006 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yesterday was inspiring
Today we were flat.

Still got to feel reasonably good about Suppan vs. Oliver "Highest ERA of any Post-season Starter Ever and I'm pitching on 3 days rest" Perez.  If we can't win that game, well I don't need to say it.

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 18, 2006 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomorrow Weaver will be available as well
His side day tomorrow too..... so we wont see Thompson or Looper tomorrow.... thats two innings if needed.....

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's Shawn Green's contract status?
I wouldn't mind seeing him in the B/B next year, I've always liked him...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He is a terrible
rightfielder...he has given the Cardinals atleast 5 runs this series.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eww
Shawn Green isnt the answer.  we need to get young.  HE's got one of the worst arms and range in baseball.

by paulob4 on Oct 18, 2006 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a dog
 and, thank god, signed for a big # (9.5 or 10 mill) for next year.  A left-handed encarnacion for double the money!  (and probably half the defense, who hits lefties about as well as Duncan does)

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds Rolen Encarcion
5 4 3 LOB respectively. If you are going to get on anyone for tonight, Edmonds is the guy

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
Edmonds failure in the first inning was huge and set the tone for the game. It gave Maine all the confidence he needed.

by deanj on Oct 18, 2006 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm counting on Weaver in Games 1, 4 and 7
of the World Series...

disgusting but true

by mdhoffm2 on Oct 18, 2006 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol!
World Series! ha!

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I apologize.
Kinda speaking outta my butt right now. Too frustrated to think straight.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding
Tonight this team's hitting was pathetic.  And Looper, well you know.

At the same time the bats can't be half this bad tomorrow night.

So it's down to a game 7.  I'll take me chances.

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 18, 2006 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why the hell
is Johnson still in the game? Is Tony that confident in enK, Rolen, Belliard etc. that he's willing to throw TJ for 20 pitches in a 4-0 game in the bottom of the 8th? I don't understand.

by jms8897 on Oct 18, 2006 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To me, the turning point tonight
was the top of the first inning.  We rode last night's momentum into 2nd and 3rd, 1 out.  But they got out of it and momentum completely changed.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you boil it down
the difference in all the wins and losses is the hitters' willingness to go to the opposite field. When they're content to wait back and trust their hands, they stay on the ball a lot longer. But tonight, they're jumping at pitches and trying to hit everything out of the ballpark.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what's everybody think?
Tony pinch hits for Rolen?

I know he SHOULD, but this question is if he WILL.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope so
But since it's not close...

by Nate811 on Oct 18, 2006 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speez and Duncan should have...
started the game, and Rolen should be pinch hitting now.

by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn
Was hoping for a ph HR from the gooch man off waggy

by El Hombre on Oct 18, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's 1
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There we go...
That's what ya gotta do to start it off.

And TLR doesn't hit for Rolen.

Crap.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomorrow
Well, I have seen every inning of every postseason game so far for the Cards but I will be missing a good two-three innings tomorrow due to prior engagement....... sucks... but life..... another reason i wanted them to win it tonight......
The last time I missed the first three innings was game 7 of the NLCS in 04...... and we all know what happend during that game... so here is to tomorrow....

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...
double play or flyout?
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Juan E with a hit
a meaningless one, but a hit nonetheless...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It only takes one swing
to change your fortune Rolen.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, NOW he hits.
Where the hell was that swing all night?
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now he's getting criticized when
he gets hits? It's not as if anybody else in the lineup did anything productive tonight either.
Luck O' The Redbirds

by stlnd on Oct 18, 2006 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa
rolen just did something productive

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HOLY SHIT
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT......

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beautiful swing!
Shoulders level, head on the ball, I love it!

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

R we still in this
October Magic, All Bets Are Off

by GoGoCards on Oct 18, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great
now he'll bitch and moan if he doesn't play tomorrow haha.  Ah well what to do?

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 18, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Too little too late Scottie...
Man, sure wish Braden Looper had kept it to two runs....
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Fat Ron
Here we go kid...

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tonights loss was
a total TEAM loss. Not just Scotty's, LOOP's, or Tony pulling Carp. From the 1st inning we had maine on the ropes. we should have scored a bunch of runs. but didnt and gave maine the confidence he needed to shut us down.

dont just blame one guys. this loss is on everyone.

From THE MAN, to Gibby, to The Wizard, to Albert the Great. Cardinal Tradition lives on.

by gdm426 on Oct 18, 2006 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

guess who is still in the bench.....
The Wagner killer.... SOOOOOOOOO TAGUCHI>>>LOL

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On wide throws
why do we NEVER slide?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if yomo
gets a good pitch . . .

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We are a bloop and a blast
from tying this game.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2nd and 3rd, nobody out...
gotta put one on the board, for a moral victory at least.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ummmmmmmm
it didn't go to seven last year

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here he comes

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GOOCH!!

by GoGoCards on Oct 18, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW
anybody see Blue almost call that strike 3???

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok
this was a bad idea

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here's the bloop
who's going to get the blast?

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i can't believe
what a bunch of crybabies are on this thread tonight

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hallelujiah
tell em, boss...
You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 18, 2006 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry
i'm just tired of this team giving me hope and then not producing.

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
The tone here tonight turned pretty bad early, and got worse as the night went on.

At the same time certain people (and I am NOT pointing fingers) always seem to be able to spin things around and make excuse after excuse as to why this or that happened, or bring up certain scenarios that happened in the past to justify a certain player playing or to justify a decision etc.

At some point you gotta allow blame and stop giving guys passes because of things they did in the past.

Anyway, it's hard to explain entirely what I mean.

Should be a great ganme tomorrow, I can't see the bats being this dead tomorow night.  Again, we must score first is all.  

It should be, scratch that, it has been a great series.  let's end this sucka tomorrow!

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 18, 2006 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG
go eck.........ok this was a bad idea

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Last year, August,
Eck wins it with a walk-off grand slam against the Braves.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

does so start tomorrow
vs. the lefty?  his slg. % is higher vs. lefties than spiezio's and he's killing the ball vs. lefties right now.  I know there's a pretty big anti-So sentiment right now but...

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 11:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomorrow's Lineup
Correction on tomorrows Lineup
Eckstein
Taguchi
Pujols
Encarnacion
Speezio
Wilson
Belliard
Molina
Soup

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 11:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Could Speizio be the
be the hero again?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 11:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah so
taking out carp does come back to haunt us.

by tnek5 on Oct 18, 2006 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it was the right move at the time
hard to hang this one on Tony.  Some complain about the pitchout...it should've worked and was a good call.  Now he took Carp out too soon?  Come on!  Right call, Dunc just hit into the DP.  When he got down 0-2, I thought he'd strike out.  As it turns out, that would've been better.

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taguchi
HAS to be in the lineup tomorrow.......

by stlcardi70 on Oct 18, 2006 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed
TLR can't ignore his production this post season

by infiniteskills on Oct 18, 2006 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know
Obviously, So's been awesome, so starting him would be warranted. But he's also proven he can come through as a PH, which isn't an easy thing to do and could be a huge asset late in the game. I'd be ok with keeping him in his current role.
Luck O' The Redbirds

by stlnd on Oct 18, 2006 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
how huge is Looper now. Why was he even in the game?

Geez. Carp lost.

At the risk of being called a "crybaby" I do NOT feel good about tomorrow night.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe
they put two runs on the board against Wagner. It just sucks that Looper played them out of it.

by ryanisforever on Oct 18, 2006 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well
next time you read a baseball article that says "speed doesn't matter", remember this game.  The mets won because they had two guys who could steal bases and shake up a pitcher.
You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 18, 2006 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont thank Braden thank TLR
Braden did what he has done all season. Came in and gave up some runs. The fault lies with TLR for selectign him and then stickign with him too long.

by Podlol on Oct 18, 2006 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Hardcore
could get a photoshop of that
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds equivalent to
the shard of a broken bat comment

by brock on Oct 18, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were Willie Randolph
I'd go with Perez. I'd rather have somebody who's at least STARTED a game or two in the last calendar year.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

since he doesn't need 7 innings
b/c it's game 7, I think he'll go w/ Perez.  Oliver's (Darren) numbers are very good this year and Cards' hitters don't have good career #'s against him but I'm not sure he has the pitches to get through a lineup twice again!  Perez, who did get hit more than the announcers wanted to admit, at least has very good stuff and the ability to get through the order twice w/o a Steve Trachsel incident.  Our hitters do have very good #'s against him though for their careers.  I really just hope Suppan can hold them to 3 runs in 5 or 6 IP.  There should be some runs scored tomorrow night, I just hope it doesn't turn into a slugfest!

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defend it all you want...
but I still think you've got to hang this loss on that pitchout.  If you don't call for the pitchout, Looper can focus on getting strike 3, you don't give up the 2 runs and this game is tied going to the bottom of the 9th.
Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Major league pitchers,
even Braden Looper, are capable of holding runners on and concentrating on pitching simultaneously. The strategy worked, the execution was flawed. Did you watch the play?

by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I did.
And it cost us two runs.

The strategy DIDN'T work, or we would have been out of the inning with no runs allowed.  Blame "execution" all you want, it's still part of strategy.  And the strategy was a bad one, and it cost us the shot at a win.

Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That still doesn't make sense b/c
Reyes didn't drive in the run, Lo Duca did.  Looper never should have faced Lo Duca.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the strategy called for...
was for Molina to throw the ball to Eckstein. He failed to do that. Had he done it, they wouldn't have scored.

by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not letting Yadi off the hook entirely...
because he should have made a better throw instead of sailing one.

My point is that a pitchout in that situation was the wrong move.  If Looper keeps his focus on the hitter instead of making a good pitchout throw, he gets Reyes.

Obsessions of a Cardinal Fan

by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if molina makes a good throw
is the pitchout still a bad move?

by lboros on Oct 19, 2006 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey lboros...
can you freakin get rid of husk... he's ALREADY starting about tomorrow night.

We'll have to score 9 in the first or hear the same s*** all over again.

by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude.
Chill. Just stating my opinion. Trust me, I love this team. Game 7's just make me nervous, especially given how flat the offense was tonight, the fact that Carp just got beaten by a rookie (who we helped out a lot at the plate), and the fact that Soup is a much better pitcher at home.

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this has been
the worst game thread of the year. bar none.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably
appropriate, given this was arguably the worst all-around effort of the postseason (there has to be an argument for Game 4 to have that title, too)

by Jhusk on Oct 18, 2006 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly because
This was the biggest game of the year and we came out flat/jet lagged?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 18, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was gonna ask why
and then I saw a post about stabbing Rolen in the heart and running him over w/ a bus or something like that.  Sheesh!  Those guys should really stay over at the p-d boards!

by chuckb on Oct 18, 2006 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...
The tone here tonight turned pretty bad early, and got worse as the night went on.

At the same time certain people (and I am NOT pointing fingers) always seem to be able to spin things around and make excuse after excuse as to why this or that happened, or bring up certain scenarios that happened in the past to justify a certain player playing or to justify a decision etc.

At some point you gotta allow blame and stop giving guys passes because of things they did in the past.

Anyway, it's hard to explain entirely what I mean.

Should be a great game tomorrow, I can't see the bats being this dead tomorow night.  Again, we must score first is all.  

It should be, scratch that, it has been a great series.  Let's end this sucka tomorrow!

I can see why this thread got ugly, because we didn't show up tonight.  They did.  In a clinching game 6 vs John Maine with our ace on the hill.  That doesn't mean guys should say they hope guys die or get hit by a car, that's just stupid.  I'm just tired if guys throwing numbers around in an effort to make excuses and justify certain situations.  It's the present not the past, it's very much a what have you done for me lately mentality in the post season.

Now....

10 run rule those bastards tomorrow boys!

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 18, 2006 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"blame" that is assigned
in the middle of a game is usually based on emotion, not logic. rolen makes an out, and everyone wants to trade him. looper gives up a run, and everybody wants to DFA him.

i've never been a big one for "blame," anyway. the cardinals have already achieved more than you or i had a right to expect. if they lose tomorrow, there'll be no "blame" to assign --- only praise for a team that saved its best baseball for october.

that's why i'm so pissed about this game thread --- people act as if they are entitled to see nothing but victories, and are outraged when the players fail to deliver.

i don't know what to call that behavior. i don't want it on my board.

by lboros on Oct 18, 2006 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
But at the same time, based upon the numbers that many guys tend to throw around, shouldn't have the Cards won this game tonight?

The loss doesn't justify the pathetic posts from some.  Hell I am in the boat about Rolen, although I never said "trade him right now" I did mention I hope Walt will listen to reasonable offers for him.  If for anything to get a healthy 3rd basemen.

Anyway, I see where you are coming from Larry.  A lot of the posts tonight were pretty sad to say the least.  Emotion tends to take over the brain.  

I for one will be happy with this team regardless of the outcome tomorrow, because quite frankly they probably should never have gotten this far.  

by Pujols for MVP on Oct 19, 2006 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I partially agree.
Rolen was getting thrown under the bus a bit much tonight.  The fact is, he's not going anywhere unless he wants to thanks to his no-trade (and his being signed through 2010.)

Is he being a bit of a jerk by not stepping aside when it's obvious he's not 100%?  Yeah.  Is he being a jerk by not talking to TLR at all?  Definitely.

Looper hasn't been great all year.  Going to him in that situation was an odd call, and we saw