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Crowd Noise@Busch III

There have been several comments lately about crowd noise being sub-par and that this brings the team down (or fails to unsettle the opponent, which is the same thing).  Various theories have been posed, from the basic "new stadium lets the noise out" to my favorite "corporate hacks, who are the only ones who can afford/acquire tickets, and who are only there to show off, don't cheer loudly".  J-rod noticed this and posted on his blog about it:

http://johnrodriguez.mlblogs.com/johnrodriguez/2006/10/supp_was_on.html

I do just want to say one thing to the fans, though. I want to hear all of you just a little bit more. We heard them, but not quite as much. I want to hear them a little bit louder tomorrow. I want that red sea to come out. Everybody wear red T-shirts, red sweatshirts, red jackets, whatever. Just bring it all out tomorrow.

I'd like to propose one more - the ushers in the new stadium are jerks.  Check out this comment from j-rod's blog:

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J-Rod, We are trying to cheer loud but fans and ushers are telling us to sit down and be quiet. I'm not talking about profanities either. For example, my friend stood up and cheered "lets go redbirds" and the ladies behind him told him to sit down because they couldn't see! Also, a women called into to KMOX radio and said she was told she could only cheer when the rest of the fans were cheering or she would be asked to leave. THIS MAKES ME WANT TO STAND THE ENTIRE GAME AND CHEER AS LOUD AS I CAN! GO CARDS!!!!!

http://johnrodriguez.mlblogs.com/johnrodriguez/2006/10/time_to_move_on.html#comments

Is anyone who has been to a game lately able to confirm this?  It seems realistic, based on the behavior of the ushers at the one game I was able to get to this summer.  I've been to 5 other games in 3 other cities this year and none of the ushers in those towns were even close to being as overbearing and obnoxious as the ones at Busch3.  I had my ticket checked 3 different times, was told I could not stand in front of my chair at the railing, that I had to sit down, etc.

I don't know if this is really something that has been happening, but I hate to lay blame on the fans when something out of their control is keeping them down.  

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That's unthinkable.
Tell me this is just an isolated incident...

by taiko on Oct 18, 2006 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Last night
I was going to post a diary but I'll just attach it to yours.  My throat hurts this morning from yelling so much and my hands were numb for the last 3 innings from clapping. But I must say that I really don't know what is wrong with these people.  I sat in row 8 of section 335 (there are 9 total rows) for Game 5, the back two rows were the only ones yelling & clapping.  The people in the first 7 rows just sat on their hands the entire game; at least you could clap while you are sitting.  Even the neighboring sections were sitting the majority of the game.  The only time they got up was when the bases were loaded and in the top of the ninth.  Other than that the only cheered for the HR's.  It also seemed like the people higher up in the nose-bleeds were cheering a lot more (mabye bacause they actually follow the cards and know what is going on).  It looked like the bleachers were excited, but again those are usually real fans.  There was even one time when the bases were loaded right after we scored and the people on the lower level in the boxes were sitting, WTF?

Funny story about ushers:  At the beginning of the game everyone in the seats behind us said that they didn't care if we stood for the whole game.  About the 4th or so, my wife's brother and I were getting beer when the usher tells my wife and sister-in-law that that we have to sit down.  I think some people in the SRO couldn't see and complained to the usher.  My wife gets pretty pissed when she gets told what to do and she starts to go off on this usher.  She has her go and get the manager who then proceeds to tell the usher she can't tell us to sit down if we don't want to and that the SRO people need to find somewhere else (my wife claims the manager was pretty pissed at the usher).  Well about 2 innings later the manager brings a bag of free t-shirts (some throwaways from date night sponsored by 101.1 the River, but hey it's a free shirt) to give to our group of four and another group behind us that also got told to sit down.  They also took my wife's phone number and address so they could supposedly issue us an apology, well see when that arrives.    

On a side note, RALLY TOWELS SUCK.  When I wave a towel around it makes no noise, yea it may look cool when everyone does it, but if they had thunder sticks or something that would make noise when used, the place would be a lot louder.  I think most of the fans thought that waving the towel around was all that they needed to do, come-on yell or something.  And most fans have no rhythm.  They played the "everybody clap your hands" song, when it stops no-one can keep it going and its just mumbled clapping.  

All in all, I had an awesome time and was thankful I was in the section with some others that wanted to cheer.  I bet if I was in the first few rows or on a lower level, I prolly would have gotten kicked out though.  

by Just Rope Ball on Oct 18, 2006 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Upper Deck Different?
I was in the upper deck for Game 4 (and had SRO tix for Game 5 that I had to sell after the rainout - damn nonrefundable plane tickets). Anyhow, just thought I'd add my two cents that the upper deck crowd was pretty noisy, starting up chants, etc, at least until we were getting crushed.

Also, the playoff ticket policy of making tickets available only via the internet lottery definitely shut out a lot of hardcore fans who normally sleep outside for tickets.  I'd really like to see the Cards make tickets available through multiple avenues in the future.

by stlmapman on Oct 18, 2006 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here here
I hadn't considered the web tickets as a reason, but it makes a lot of sense.

by effin fisk on Oct 18, 2006 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

internet
i think it's a good thing that they put them online only, i was there in 2004 camping for world series tickets when they mobbed, they don't want that to happen again.
Cardinals Jayhawks all the way.

by birdland on Oct 18, 2006 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They just need to better organize it
No reason it has to turn into a mob.

by stlmapman on Oct 18, 2006 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the first....
...game that many of the people in the lower level attended all year.  My family has two season tickets behind the net, when we got our playoff tickets they were in the second tier.  We do get the option to buy four seats instead of our two, but we were pushed out of out season tickets we had all year.  Just saying that the first few rows of the lower bowl aren't even the normal season ticket holders, they are just fair weather fans...

by BigJawnMize on Oct 18, 2006 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wainwright said this about the game
"Tonight," Cardinals closer Adam Wainwright said, "was the loudest I've ever heard anything, ever."

by jojo5492 on Oct 18, 2006 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is a big difference...
when you are sitting in the cheap seats, the fans are cheering, dancing, and having a good time. When you sit in the expensive seats, fans are quite, reserved and sometimes not even watching the game. I always assumed it had something to do with the fact that those of us in the cheap seats are lucky to get to 6 to 10 games a year so get real excited about it. Those in the expensive seats go to games all the time so get less excited about it.

Think about it, there ARE no cheap seats anymore!

by JimCno on Oct 18, 2006 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As an ex-usher at Busch 2
The closer to the feild you get, the more I could (Could key word) see that. The further up you got, the more "loose" it was. I know cause that where I liked to be. THe "real" fans were up there. I can see ushers getting "testy" down there when we had to wipe down seats for some pompous asses.
I'm just here for the Bud Light...

by OKCardsfan on Oct 18, 2006 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pompous Asses
Yeah, I'd get testy too if someone asked me to do my job.

by eeyorethedog on Oct 18, 2006 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree
if it's rained and everything is wet, it's nice to have an usher with a rag handy.  And you should tip them for doing it.

But on a normal day, it's ridiculous.  Wipe down your own damn seat.

by stlmapman on Oct 18, 2006 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Rain is one thing. Being an asshole on a clear 90 degree day is another.
I'm just here for the Bud Light...

by OKCardsfan on Oct 19, 2006 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't
realize that you need a babysitter. Thats not in the job description. I can show you to your seat and tell you where to find the nearest hot dog vendor.
I'm just here for the Bud Light...

by OKCardsfan on Oct 19, 2006 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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