NLCS Game 5 postgame
they're a win away . . . . .
la russa continues to amaze me. bottom 8th, jose valentin at the plate with the tying runs on base. flores was already in the game, and seemingly the right guy to pitch to valentin, who has always been helpless vs left-handed pitchers. this season he's got a .644 OPS vs lhp, but an .879 OPS vs rhp; over the last 3 years combined he's got a .676 OPS vs lefties, but an .817 OPS vs righties. and with the left-handed chavez on deck and another lefty, cliff floyd, waiting to pinch-hit for the pitcher, you'd seemingly want a left-hander all the way down the line.
so what does la russa do? he removes the left-handed flores and brings in a right-hander, wainwright --- seemingly playing into valentin's hands. why in god's name? . . . . the curveball, apparently. the scouting reports must have said that valentin can't handle a hook, because that's what wainwright fed him -- a 1st-pitch fastball for strike 1, then 4 curves in 5 pitches. valentin swung through one, took another for strike 3.
fun game to watch, great win. they can win the pennant tomorrow.
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C'mon Carp! Let's close it out!
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 17, 2006 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
I love Adam Wainwright.
King Albert goes deep. So does Baby Dunc. Weaver turns in stellar work. The bullpen is nails. Off we go to Shea with Chris Carpenter bringing the pain.
LET'S GO RED-BIRDS!!!!!!!!
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Oct 17, 2006 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
Weaver and AW
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 17, 2006 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
WOOT
See you all tomorrow!!!
this celebration brought to you by
C'mon. Do you honestly think we'd be a win away from the World Series with all the facial hair by Cardinal Nation? I think not.
I think
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 17, 2006 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't SHAVE THE BEARD!
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 17, 2006 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's OK....
by The Ol Goaler on Oct 18, 2006 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
what's the matter?
you know...
And that goes for the rest of you and your beards, too.
I'm becoming a believer
Oh, if only it had been an option for me last year...
by iron duke75 on Oct 18, 2006 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
my beard
I'd thought that
I already have a beard...
GAME 6
Last time Shea hosted a Game 6...
"Little roller up along first, BEHIND THE BAG! IT GETS THROUGH BUCKNER, AND THE METS WIN IT!"
Fortunately for us, we're not the Boston Red Sox.
Eat 'em up, Carp.
by Quietude on Oct 17, 2006 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
And we've got Mookie 'relations' on this team..
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 17, 2006 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care where they were...
Did Buck give us a "We'll see you tomorrow night!" after the game? I don't remember hearing it.
by Quietude on Oct 17, 2006 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted in the morning thread
Too much adrenaline to sleep!!!!!!!
Too exciting
Mets tempt karma
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 17, 2006 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
FOX is now saying that Glavine was getting squeeze
Get off it, Kennedy. He had nothing and the only times he was 'good' was when they were giving him a wide zone.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 17, 2006 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
that's been glavine's MO for a long time
how did the cards
by jose smokeindo on Oct 17, 2006 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
Wasn't Weavah a Tiger at one point?
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 17, 2006 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
Careful what you wish for
peculiar decisions by LaRussa
My brother's a Dodger fan
Odd thought...
I can't believe Tony'd do that, it just popped into my head.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He's done this four out thing
i don't know though val
Solid point
I am equally sure that, had wainwright coughed up three runs, he still would have started the ninth, and kept on going until the game was over, or it was painfully obvious that he could physically go on no longer. Because that's Adam's job, and, by damn, he's going to do it.
you might be right
i would certainly hope so. . . . .
I fully agree with you
Certainly, if you replace the name 'Isringhausen' for the name 'Wainwright', Tony's would let Izzy pitch to Delgado in that situation. Perhaps he doesn't trust AW to the same extent, but I think TLR has chosen his closer, and will live or die with him.
Is it possible Tony
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 18, 2006 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what i was thinking...
but if that were TLR's line of logic, why wouldn't he have waited until Woodard was announced?
I guess it's the same
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 18, 2006 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
u r right
by ITouchedMcGee on Oct 18, 2006 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't you guys realize...
Actually, the players are making him look like a genius; Duncan, Wainwright for 4 outs against lefties.
Yes, he made some head scratching moves but they worked. Thank God.
righty vs. lefty
It's obvious Tony doesn't trust his lefties to get righties out. That's why we haven't seen Beltran get turned around. Tony would rather Wainwright/Kinney/Thompson/Hancock against a lefty than Flores/Johnson against a righty; any righty, it appears.
Against righties this year:
Flores - 2.18 WHIP, .982 OPS
Johnson - 1.89 WHIP, .838 OPS
by Speedy G on Oct 18, 2006 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting point
Pujols is complimenting Glavine
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 17, 2006 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Albert props Glavine tonight
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 17, 2006 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Apparently
no kidding
by jose smokeindo on Oct 17, 2006 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
I'd love Reyes (Jose)
But people said the same thing about Andujar blowing on his finger after striking batters out. Depends on what team you're rooting for I guess.
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 17, 2006 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
just dropped
Now lets hope I can scalp some tickets on the street...
Tough to wrap my mind around
It's pretty mind-boggling, isn't it?
Weaver and Suppan
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I stick
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 17, 2006 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
i'm praying
Proud to be a fan of this team right now
i'm with ya
by jose smokeindo on Oct 18, 2006 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
why can't cards...
by jose smokeindo on Oct 17, 2006 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
what?
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LAST 2 NL TEAMS TO GO TO THE WORLD SERIES PRIOR TO 2006...MORON! next time I'll try to make my posts much clearer.
by jose smokeindo on Nov 17, 2006 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
I know what you mean though
it's always a struggle
look at how the '86 mets struggled --- after 108 wins in the reg season. look at how the '75 reds struggled.
it's almost never easy. it's not supposed to be easy.
And it AIN'T
Fox has one thing right, though... you really can't script October! Lookit the stars tonight... Jeff (DFA) Weaver? Preston (DFA) Wilson? The "Brat Pack" of Young Dunc, Josh "Gateway Grizzlies" Kinney, and AW???
WHERE DID THESE GUYS COMES FROM?????
(Pujols... yeah, I've heard of that guy...)
by The Ol Goaler on Oct 18, 2006 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah...
Even if you read this...I know I'm a loser going back and commenting on something that was on my reply list from so long ago. I have my boring job to blame!
by jose smokeindo on Nov 17, 2006 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Random Cardinals notes
1984
1989
1991
1992 (same)
1993
1998 (same)
2003
Can you believe this?
by mattvernon1985 on Oct 18, 2006 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
good night...
by jose smokeindo on Oct 18, 2006 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
The name Malachi
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 18, 2006 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I wrong...
by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely Weaver
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 18, 2006 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't know...
by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
would we be on the hook for that?
I forget whether we claimed him off of waivers
Scary scarecrow.
If he keeps pitching like he did tonight, I won't complain at all.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on Oct 18, 2006 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw "Walk your dog, not Pujols"
Hey...
Awesome job by Weava and the bullpen.
Pujols breaks through and starts the barrage. Dunc hits a huge HR.
Wainwright is a stud.
I'm tellin ya. This team has guts.
Just saw Ozzie Smith
How recently was that show taped?
Ozzie...
So sad, that he's still that bitter. Of course, if I'd been replaced by Royce Clayton, I might be bitter too, who knows.
by Quietude on Oct 18, 2006 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably today.
This is completely nuts.
All I know is that Chris Carpenter has a chance to pitch himself into Redbird legend status with a gem tomorrow night.
It's going to be a long night.
GO CARDS!
by matt reeder on Oct 18, 2006 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
LOL@Mets Fans
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
You're right
If they'd been watching Albert much
by iron duke75 on Oct 18, 2006 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Pardon my French
Shut. The. Hell. Up.
trust me on this, living in nyc...
I thought about that too
On a side note, I wondered what Bob Gibson would have done if he fielded that ball -- my version goes like this: Gibson fields the grounder and then stares at Floyd as he hobbles down the line before casually walking toward the bag and casually flipping the ball to first base.
by Ray Lankford on Oct 18, 2006 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't help but remember
Suppan the Mickey Lolich of 2006?
Love Soup...
Pitching on short rest is a recipe for disaster.
Crazy.
G'night everyone
Larry, thanks for the hard work on this site and making it a place that knowledgable baseball fans can come and enjoy the Redbirds.
by player2bnamedl8r on Oct 18, 2006 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
In LCS play, only 4 times has a team
2004 vs Astros (W)
1996 vs Braves (L)
1987 vs Giants (W)
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
first pitch?
then, who do we think would be next?
The White Rat
For game 4 it was 'Lou'. That little bugger went out there and came back in so quick, the crowd couldn't even get a good 'Loooooouuuuu' chant going.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2006 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
In case you all missed it (ESPN2)...
That is one $#@#$# stupid feud he's having with Tony.
Ozzie! Get over it dude. Life's too short!
Could you imagine
Of course, Brock and Gibson are usually at the ballpark supporting the team instead of sulking in self-imposed exile...
by iron duke75 on Oct 18, 2006 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ozzie -
(that day would be the day that Tony packs his bag, no doubt)
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking forward to Carp
I really enjoyed the game tonight---so many Larussa decisions worked out for the best.
Goodbye
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 18, 2006 12:21 AM EDT reply actions
just back from the bar...
Weaver's got GUTS. more guts than Mulder, more than Marquis. a coming out party for him. he worked out of the jams that he got in to ('cept the 4th), but he had balls tonight.
Wow, just wow
Weaver put in another great performance. If Valentin's hit had been pulled six more inches, we might have had another shutout.
Let's hope Carp in on his game tomorrow. Someone above mentioned his curve. That is the key. If the curve is working, I feel that we are in pretty good shape.
GO CARDS!!!!
Let's hear it for Jock
Here's to a pennant! And here's to clinching in Game 6, since my wedding anniversary is Thursday! (Please, Carp, keep me out of a marital pickle!) What I was doing getting married in October, I'll never know.
Thanks to VEB community for helping make this most enjoyable postseason yet (I was two in 1982).
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 18, 2006 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
Respectfully, I disagree.
What I'm saying
I really need to work now.
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 18, 2006 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely a good debate
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 18, 2006 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Watching the recap now
And the crowd sounded louder tonight, too.
Hearing the Mets fans boo tomorrow...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 18, 2006 12:38 AM EDT reply actions
AP gave credit to
oh and even Gonzo defended APs comments about glavine
dunc
I really do
I know the cards
It all come down to money though. His agent is Boras.. a guy known to get the most out of his players.
Weaver might look like an attractive player to teams looking for pitching. (Particularly NL teams)
Looks like TLR and Dunc have had a huge impact on Weavers sucsess. If he plays this game to win I think he would want to stay in STL. Carp, Soup, Weaver, Mulder, Reyes with WW as closer would be Ideal.
Someone asked
It just seems that the Mets back in the comfort of Shea will be fired up, and they clearly know how to get to Carpenter.
by ryanisforever on Oct 18, 2006 12:54 AM EDT reply actions
I think
by rockin redbird on Oct 18, 2006 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you a Cards fan?
If we win a couple of games, you'll say "I still think Detroit wins."
If we win the WS, you'll say "The Cards should not have won the WS."
Look, I'm as realistic as the next guy. This series is NOT OVER but the Cards definitely have the upper hand. We have our best pitcher (maybe the Cy Young winner) going in the clinching game. What more can you ask for?!
And if we go to the WS, the Cards will be heavy underdogs. But as we have seen, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN! You have to be in it to win it. The Cards can do this.
Why don't you take your negativity somewhere else, like the Mets blogs. I'm sure you'll fit right in over there.
Sorry to be a contrarian ...
It's not an act of treason to believe that the Mets, on paper (97 wins vs. Cards 83 wins), should be favored. It's an act of faith to believe the Cards can upset the Metropolitans. And that's OK too. Both can exist side by side.
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem with realistic people...
I was responding to Ryan out of frustration. If you've read his posts, he is a person of maddening negativity. He never seems to have ANYTHING positive to say about the Cards.
I am not a cheerleader. In fact, I did say that the series is far from over. I believe that if we do not win game 6, we probably will NOT win game 7. Too much to overcome. The Mets will have the momentum.
You are right. People have a right to air their opinion, whether it's positive or negative.
i've said it before and i'll say it again
Well
TLR amazed me this night
My only complaint from tonight was not managing to get Miles home with one out in the eighth
A Word Of Warning
He has always had immense talent, but he is an absolute basketcase. I would not mind seeing him back the Birds... but it better be for a 1-year deal for no more than $4-5 million.
As great as Weaver's been in the playoffs... remember this... he is not to be trusted. He could implode at any time. I just hope Duncan can keep him focused for a few more weeks.
its not just the playoffs
That's fine
I don't belive what I am watching
Tony goes complelty nuts and is ignoring the book he so religiously has followed his whole career. he is trusting the young kids in key game winning or loosing spots. he is letting Jimmy bat aginst lefites. taking Scotty out in game two for the hot bat of Speizer. all the Tony haters out there got to give the man major props. he is doing what it takes to win. and good for him, his players are making the plays that they need to.
I was really afraid that team chemistry would be dissrupted because of Tony and Scottys fight, Alberts bad mood and worse hammy. and its looks like I was wrong. shows what I know.
I hope everyone knows a win tomorrow is not automatic. Carp has a 9.00 ERA in this LCS people. 9.00!!that freaks me out. he wasn't sharp in one of his starts of the DLS. and in game 2 he could not get out of the 5th inning. and we didn't hit main as hard as we should have. seams like we never get all the runs that we should have this season. I too think Carps curve is a key. if its working, the mets are in for a long night. if not, then we are in for a long night. I hope Carp comes out Cy Youngs those ponds scums butts right out of the playoffs. I too feel they are way to cocky, smug and rub it in everyones faces. Like the good book says, "Pride cometh before a fall." Here's hoping they fall hard and fast.
Great win tonight. just freakin great. I dont know how they are getting it done after the way they played all year. but whatever they are doing they need to keep it up. Weaver was just awesome. I was not a beliver in him, but after two fantastic games aginst the lefty heavy mets, I am coming over. I am not there yet. But I am close. Dunc has once again done a great job with a pitcher who's career was all but over just 3 short months ago.
It is the playoffs, and anything can and will happen. we are witnessing something special people. Here's to talking the baseball world by storm and going all the way. great job boys. just a great job all around. everyone is stepping up and playing big. its awesome to see.
Go get'em boys. Game 6 is yours for the taking. Reach out, and take your destiny.
You are making us all so very proud.
Keep making us all proud.
Go down swinging.
GO CARDINALS
nothing is automatic
Steve phillips
Phillips
He just doesn't want to admit that he has been completely wrong about everything this whole series.
2006 Birds.....silencing the critics....love it
by Milt Thompson on Oct 18, 2006 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a big deal for a broke college kid
For you non-alcoholics out there, that means White Russians baby. Lots and lots of Caucasians hopefully in celebration.
I was thinking of going red food coloring in honor of the Birdos, but I cannot blasphemy The Dude. Plus who could drink something opaque red.
Go Cardinals!!!
Love this quote
(regarding Carp):
"If he goes out there wednesday and is his normal self as far as command of his four pitches, they will see the greatest of the great."
Right on, Tony. GO CARP!!
Weaver for Evans
Outfuckingstanding, gents. One more at Shea... Come on Carp, bring it on home.
What...just...wow... unbelievable...
I love October.
good game
that being said, weaver again had a game that could never have been expected when we got him from LAAA, and yes, he has pitched with guts and guile, but much of the praise should go to duncan, for making weaver realize what he was capable of, and for setting up a game plan that worked, i know one thing about weaver, he has worked much faster lately than i had seen him in the past
pujols came out of his slump, and brought the other hitters with him, and after the game he gave credit to glavine, calling him a HOF, and as willie randolph said after the game, he didnt notice anything different in the way glavine pitched, neither better or worse, he just got hit a bit more
so now we go to game 6, if somebody had told me before the playoffs began that we would be up 3-2 going back to new york, with us having carp and sup in 6 & 7, and they would have maine and who knows (most likely darren oliver), i would have been ecstatic, i would have also said you were a damn liar, but this is the case, and we have to like our chances
if we can get one of the next two, great, if somehow we cant, i will still be proud of this team, because they have played in the playoffs the way the astros played for their last 12 games, by playing their asses off, and leaving it on the field every game
On SportsCenter's coverage of
Wonder if Bernie heard it...
At the game....
by newguy @ Viva El Birdos on Oct 18, 2006 3:25 AM EDT reply actions
Finally home from LCS#5!!!!!!
Can NOT say enough about my DREAM Weava! Man, the guy is tough. Hero of the game, no question, Kinney. The guy is fearless. El Hombre got around on one, but I (and my 40,000 new best friends) will take credit for that one 'cause we WILLED that sucker over the wall. And Piccoto Hombre jumps ALL OVER his pitch - patience and power - WOW. Tony worked his LOOGY to perfection, with one to spare. Belly with a HUGE 2-out RBI, and PW with a laser beam to RCF. Watching Car Doors go 1st to home is like watching a thoroughbred Dauchsund - his feet move REALLY fast but after a (long) while you notice that the ground isn't going by very fast! I timed it live, it took 1 1/2 hours for him to score, and 40,000 let go their collective breath when he made it. (Just not gonna mention the R guy, though I wish him the best - with another team; and there was not ONE boo, which is why we ARE the greatest fans in baseball.)
And, best of all, 40,000 crazy people just gettin' a big ol' warm & cozy feeling when AW comes in for the final 4 outs. After living (and dying) with (d)Izzy over the last 2 yrs, I've really had a little AW coming to me!!!). He's just so damn AWesome.
By the way, to the Puppy Kickers and their fans in the media, it looked to me like AW was a tiny bit slow getting over to 1st, and by the time Bert was sure AW would make it, Bert was already at top speed - and nothings harder than to make a perfect soft toss when running flat out. I was THRILLED to see him keep and not risk a boo-boo (actually, I wept!). And if Bert was playing a little hammy on hammy - TOUGH.
Saddest man in America? Carp, sitting all by his lonesome in NYC, waiting for the circus to arrive. We've been saving our blowout til NLCS#6. Carps gonna struggle early (as per norm lately) and cruise thru an easy 8, and let the Kid bring 'er home in the 9th - 8 to 2.
Been tellin' ya: Cards in SIX. Bank it. My momma don't raise no dummies! You gotta BELIEVE.
ps: I absofreaking LOVE to beat the Puppy Kickers - I mean man I LOVE IT. They haven't had their backs to the wall all year until the 5th in this game, and when they felt that ol' wall creepin' up on 'em - THEY HAD NOTHIN!!!!!
someone had one too many Kosh Jinneys
The crowd seemed so much more into this game. Congrats on getting to be part of it.
Revenge For the Massacre of 2000 ...
Edmonds remembers ...
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 18, 2006 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
What game were you at?
by Just Rope Ball on Oct 18, 2006 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure didn't look like that on TV.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 18, 2006 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hooya for the red underwear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by CCERUTTI on Oct 18, 2006 5:58 AM EDT reply actions
I've been wearing the exact same clothes
and of course
Although probably more comfortable
Each game that we've won this series
i was praying
food for thought: 2005 white sox slumped right before the playoffs, barely got in, won the WS...2004 red sox slumped right before the playoffs, barely got in, won the WS...2003 marlins, you get the idea. is it finally cardinal time in 2006?
Well ... yeah, but
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 18, 2006 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Question
Granted I did not want a pinch hitter to come in for either situation, I am just wondering why the difference?
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
my prediction
if we lost carps start the sky might have fallen in
im looking like a water cooler genius today
um wait just one minute
by punchinjudy on Oct 18, 2006 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was weird that Weaver hit too
j-rod
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 18, 2006 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
j rod
by Milt Thompson on Oct 18, 2006 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anybody miss ...
Dare I say, addition by subtraction. (courtesy of Mr. A. Wainright, of course)
Isringhausen?
by rockin redbird on Oct 18, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
As your
by rockin redbird on Oct 18, 2006 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I also advise drinking heavily.
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 18, 2006 10:48 AM EDT reply actions
i love our DFAs
All this talk of drinking...
And how my liver suffers.
s**t
Just
How I'm going to focus on work for the next 7 hours? Not too sure. Keep typing stuff and hope it relates to business (not this, obviously).
And--Carp will be killer tonight. A CY winner with something to prove? Me likes...
I am eatin' crow!!!
Congrats on managing a game the right way, Tony! My hat is off. You recognized that the Dream still had his best stuff in the 6th and left him out there. Great job! I think that decision will pay dividends well into the future with Weav!
Man, I never thought I would say that. I haven't liked TLR since he got here, but he was the un-Tony tonight.
Hey, Larry! We have crazy Tony, we have genius Tony, so who is this Tony? Dare I say, confident Tony?



















