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a hard shea's night

all those replacement-level hurlers gumming up the rosters, and the series kicks off with a pitcher's duel? whatever. to me, that game embodied what the playoffs are all about -- wait around, wait around, wait around until somebody makes a mistake and gets punished for it. if the rest of the games are as taut as that one, it's going to be a well-remembered series no matter who wins it.

it would have been sweet if the cardinals had found a way to steal that game, but glavine hasn't won 290 game by accident. last night he turned in his 13th quality start in 16 nlcs outings; the guy has made a career of frustrating good offenses in the playoffs. and the cardinals' offense isn't particularly good against left-handers anyway. just to pile on further, glavine came into the game on a month-long roll; in his 6 starts leading into last night's game (including his game 2 appearance in the nlds), he had compiled a 1.89 era and yielded only 7 hits per 9 innings. last night's was not a typical game for tommy -- his groundout / flyout ratio was 4-15, reversing his usual tendency (1.5:1 go/fo ratio this year), and he pitched from behind in the count a lot -- went to 2-0 on a third of the batters he faced. the cardinals clearly had a strategy to attack the first strike glavine threw; after the first inning (in which all three batters took a called strike one), 14 of 22 cardinals swung at strike one. 8 of those 14 swings resulted in a ball in play: 2 base hits and 6 outs, a .250 batting average. it should be noted, however, that 2 of the 6 outs were line drives to 3d baseman david wright in the 3d inning. so nothing wrong with the strategy; the cardinals' aggression yielded some well-hit balls.

weaver was effectively aggressive as well. as he did against san diego, he neutralized left-handers by pounding the strike zone with his curveball; one report i saw had him throwing 13 of 14 benders for strikes. he got ahead 0-1 on 12 of the 17 left-handed hitters he faced, 8 of them via a called strike one. but in the fateful 6th, the mets got aggressive; it was the 3d time through the lineup, and they made an adjustment, as good teams do. in innings 1 through 5, only 2 met batters swung at the first pitch; but in the 6th, after glavine led off with a groundout, three consecutive mets attacked on 0-0. all three hitters fouled the pitch off, but the last two of those at-bats (lo duca's and beltran's) ultimately produced the mets' winning runs.

couldn't have asked for any more out of weaver -- and don't overlook the bullpen, which stranded 4 runners in scoring position over the last 3 frames. if the cardinals continue to get pitching like that, this is going to be an interesting series. in the nlds, the mets held the dodgers to 1 run in the glavine start but gave up 5 apiece in the other 2 games; with competent pitching, l.a. could have taken both games. i don't think (knock on wood) st louis will lose another 2-0 game in this set.

i now understand why spiezio wasn't one of the two pinch-hitters in the 8th inning; they were saving him for the 9th, to bat for edmonds against wagner. fine; makes sense. but i still haven't figured out why tony didn't pinch-hit duncan for preston wilson later in that inning, after eckstein's two-out walk. guillermo mota owns wilson -- has struck him out 9 times in 18 at-bats over their careers, while allowing only 4 hits (none of them homers). with wagner on tap for the 9th, there was no reason to hold duncan back; he would have been the tying run against mota, and a bridge to getting pujols up there as the go-ahead run . . . . . . i don't know what they were waiting for.

the rolen question: at the very least they have to drop him to 7th in the order. he's an automatic out, a rally killer; can't have him coming up with men on base. i'd slot edmonds 4th, en'cion 5th, belliard 6th and rolen 7th -- if he stays in the lineup. i usually like him in there for his glove, but given the preponderance of left-handed hitters in the new york lineup, i dunno how critical a 3bman's glove is. i guess reyes might bunt his way on more readily if spiezio's in there . . . . . but i don't know if that's enough of a consideration to justify keeping rolen in the lineup. left-handed hitters batted 40 points higher than right-handers did against maine; spiezio'd give them another left-handed bat. as i think this through, i'm coming more firmly to the conclusion that rolen needs to sit for game 2.

i said at the outset i'd be happy enough if the cards won 2 of the first 5, and then take my chances on well-pitched games by carp and supps to close things out in games 6 and 7. tonight represents stl's best chance to grab 1 of those 2. i don't believe it is a "must-win" game -- i don't really believe in "must-win" games until a team is 1 loss from elimination -- but let's just say i'll feel a lot worse about the cards' chances if they lose it.

i am on the road today; should have time to sneak up a game thread mid-afternoon, home before the 1st pitch.

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Iou're totally right

The Mets had to play their A game to win, pitching defense and offense, and at least the pitching is not gonna be there tonight. Meanwhile we played a B game, only defense and pitching were there, the hitting still on vacation, I hope tonight we'll pound their starter early.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Oct 13, 2006 3:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Great Game
That game was outstanding. Weaver pitched great. The bullpen is stil solid. Nothing to get boo-hoo about.

by liam on Oct 13, 2006 3:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As far as
losses go, that was okay by me. Weaver made the mistake some 40+ other pitchers have made this year. Not a bad game, for a loss. BUT, I do think tomorrow is a "must win" game. If we want to stay alive in this thing, Carp must pitch like his life depended on it--otherwise we go home 2 in the hole, and that is never a good position to be in. It won't be over, but one win in NY would be extremely nice to come home to. Whatever. I was proud of Weaver tonight, and really, that's all I could ask. When it comes right down to it, this series is basically a fight for who gets the honor of getting their asses smeared by Detroit in the WS, so hey, anything good is gravy to me. This was supposed to be a massacre, and it turned out to be a fairly close contest. I'm all right with that. Now, go out there tomorrow and make those pricks sorry they were ever born. GO BIRDS!!!

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 4:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW,
LB--"A Hard Shea's Night." That is a classic. You never fail to crack me up with the daily post titles, but that one in particular really made me lol. Kudos.

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

word
i agree...that one was a classic.

how long you been waiting to break that one out, huh?  i bet you had that one in the back of your mind and was just waiting for the opportunity to use it.  and this was it.

good stuff.

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good game
I agree with your thoughts on Duncan pinch hitting for Preston there (Preston looked overmatched). But then you'd probably lose another sub by putting So in the OF after the AB.

Also, I thought Weaver should have been pulled after the Lo Duca AB...he got ahead of him and then lost him... it was obvious that he lost his command in that AB. Missing his spot to Beltran by about 10 inches showed that (and that was another one of those "he's going to hit a homer" ABs... man I'm sick of Carlos Beltran).

As soon as Weaver reaches 5 IP in his next start, the bullpen needs to be up and ready. 5 scoreless is asking a lot for him, any thing more is just pressing your luck. (no whammys)

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 6:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am proud of our boy, Jeff........
What a gutty, gutty performance. A mistake to Beltran? Too bad. For some reason, he eats Cardinal pitching alive, especially in October. Tonight? I actually had a dream....the Birdos won big.....real big.....double digits big.....

So, c'mon Carp, give us at least 21 shutout outs, and you guys with the sticks, tee off on the rookie.

by fuegophil on Oct 13, 2006 7:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh.......
And was it only me, or was LoDuca's single only a single because Scotch was on the infield grass? It sure looked to me like he was playing way in - was the catcher a threat to bunt, with nobody on and one out? Could've been wrong, but it sure would have been nice to get that chinker back.

by fuegophil on Oct 13, 2006 7:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

on Wilson
Everyone surely wondered why Duncan didn't pinch hit.  I didn't know Wilson's #'s vs. Mota but my only guess was, fastball pitcher, fastball hitter, maybe he'll run into one.  Of course, Duncan hits the fastball well also.  But Tony obviously felt Wilson had a better chance of either hitting one out, or extending the inning to Pujols.  Maybe he liked Wilson's chances of doinking one into RF better than Duncan's chances of doinking one into LF.

by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 8:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was their "must win" game
Tonight is hours. But I feel good so far about the series.

by jimstllax on Oct 13, 2006 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What We Learned
I take at several positive lessons from last night's game:
  1.  Weaver can handle the Mets' heralded left-hand heavy offense and keep the Cardinals in the game.  
  2.  The bullpen brats are for real.  Then can pitch shutdown baseball and maintain the game for the offense.
These are important lessons.  This is the Mets offense that was supposed to eat Weaver alive.  As I see it, Weaver made one mistake pitch, throwing a pitch inside that should have been outside.  Give the Mets credit for punishing the mistake.

Now lessons about the Mets:

  1.  Glavine can still pitch.  But we already knew that.
  2.  The Mets play airtight defense.  That catch by Chavez should have been a double.  He did what Torii Hunter tried to do.  He misses that catch, and it's a different game.  The Mets also turned in good plays on hard shots to Wright, Delgado, and Valentin.
Bottom line:  This was a game that the Mets needed way more than the Cardinals.  Getting shut out is no fun, but the Cardinals played way better than those naysaying experts ever would have allowed.  A tight series is not what they predicted, but it looks like what they're getting, at least when the Mets' top pitcher is pitching.

I'm as encouraged as a person possibly could be by a loss.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Oct 13, 2006 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
While I hate losing, any time you get a quality start from Jeff F. Weaver, against a left handed heavy lineup, you have to be pleased in general.  The tying run came up to bat in both the 8th and 9th inning - the Cards just came up short.  Tip 'o the cap and on to Game 2.

by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hit it hard...
...i agree, the birds just seemed to hit the ball right at people alot last night.  That is just baseball.  The was some poor hitting going on though, people tried to pull to many of those outside fast balls.  In the third, molina's and weaver's hit were line shots the other way on balls that Glavine tossed outside but got up in the zone.  The cards are going to have to set on that pitch and take it away from him.  The thing is you will have to string together a lot of singles and doubles to score, because you aren't hitting a homerun on that pitch.

by BigJawnMize on Oct 13, 2006 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Game
The mullet pitched an awesome game. He had Beltran 0-2 and got tired. Take away one swing and the game is still tied in the 9th inning. Even though we lost, I have even more confidence that we will take the next 3 games and maybe 4th with a tired Glavine. GO CARDS!!!!
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

october surprises - thus far
  • bullpen with about 17 innings of scoreless relief (in spite of Looper's attempt to blow that up last night) - high five, boys
  • Pujols hitless now in three games (that's dire)
  • Rolen keeps getting trotted out there by Tony (c'mon!)
  • Spiccoli

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 9:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

three games without a hit
that is definetly worrisome.  I didn't really feel like he was the Albert that takes over games last night.

by jroman on Oct 13, 2006 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert looked anxious
He looks like he is placing to much pressure on himself.  He usually eminates pure confidence.  I thought he looked frustrated last night as he fouled a couple of Glavine's pitches off.  Maybe he felt like he had missed his shot.

Hopefully, he'll just relax tonight, concentrate on seeing the ball, making good swings, and not trying to do too much.  As we all know, the Cards play better overall when Carp pitches.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Oct 13, 2006 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely off his game
Agreed on your observations, Dude - and he absolutely pulled a Suppan on getting doubled off first base drom CF.  Tough baserunning play, but in a close game you can't afford that mistake.  Tony was clearly not happy with that one.

Albert's as competitive as they come, and his "slumps" are usually very short-lived.  He makes adjustments as well as anyone around.  Tonight would be a perfect time for him to break out - he's got the good memories of two HR's off Maine the last time he saw him.

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just Rolen
Eckstein looks pretty bad too.  2/15 with 2 singles in the NLDS, 0-3 in the NLCS so far.
You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 13, 2006 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad
to see that others are feeling as I am, not down about last night.  We played pretty well, had a chance to win and didn't pull it out.  To be sure, there are things we could've done better.  Hopefully we make those adjustments, Glavine's not as sharp and we get him in game 5.

Here in Houston I'm getting a lot of "What happened to the Cards last night!"  (Idiots!)  We pitched well, had a chance to win and lost.  Tonight's game is important, however.  It was a good plan to push Carp ahead to game 2 but that makes it even more imperative that we go back home even.

by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good game
The talking heads were calling the game "boring." I thought it was riveting. Weaver looked like a 15-game winner out there...very sharp. He might have earned himself a 2-year deal with the B/B.

I was actually pretty irate when Wilson batted instead Duncan in the 8th. Wilson inspires no confidence in me in a close game--he swings from his heels with no patience whatsoever. Lil Dunc has proven he can take a walk if he needs to. You've GOT to extend that inning so Pujols doesn't come up in a meaningless situation (e.g. lead off the ninth with a two run deficit), and Wilson didn't come through. It was Tony's first bad move since putting Marquis on the NLDS roster.

I wonder if Scotty's hurting, or if he's having his usual October flameout? Or both.

Very encouraged with Carp going tonight. I'm pretty sure Shea is going to be rocking tonight. Nothing less than A+ game will win it, even with Maine on the mound.

Go Cards! 10 hours until game 2!

"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR's decisions and more
I really have to question the pinch-hitting for Molina thing.  He looked good in his previous at-bats, garnering a really well-hit single.  Oh well.  

On a lighter note, I echo all you guys above.  I have never been more proud of a loss than I was last night.  The Dream did a great job.  BTW, was their gun reading too fast, or was The Dream really throwing them up there at 92 and 93mph?  Anyone have any knowlege on that?  

I felt like we played good defense, pitched well, and even had more hard-hit than the Metropolitans did.  It was just one of those games where things did not fall.

And, I gotta get this off my chest.  WHY IN THE WORLD IS WILSON HITTING 2ND OVER BELLY?  I completely understand Duncan hitting in front of Pujols, but Belly is HOT, and Wilson killed some very important AB's.  Anyone think there is a good chance of us seeing Speez tonight?

I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown

by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The 2 or 3 times I've seen him,
Weaver starts the game about 88 or 89 mph and by the 2nd or 3rd inning can consistently hit 92 or 93mph if he wants to.  

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all the guns
have been high for the playoffs I think.  I think they're amping it up for more excitement.  Looper hit 96?  come on!  I think they've been about 3 mph too high for every game so far.

by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hell yea they are pumping up the guns
i saw loazia throw a 96 mph fastball in the dirt in their 2nd game.

by Jocephus on Oct 13, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard fought....
...and I was pleased with Weaver.  Lboros was exactly right on about Weaver, he has been diggin' deep for some time and it is starting to pay off.  Concidering what he did the last time he was in Shea--could say that he has turned a corner.  Got the left handed pitcher out of the way, so lets knock the heck out of the righties and even it up tonight with Carp out there toeing the rubber.

I feel good about this!!!

Love comes mostly in RED!

by bleedred06 on Oct 13, 2006 9:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know it is par for the course for McCarver...
...but can someone explain to me why he said in the bottom of the eighth inning that Lo Duca should have gone home when the Mets had runners at second and third and David Wright hit the ball to Belliard? Lo Duca would have been out by a mile at home, which McCarver seemed to concede by saying that they would have then had runners at first and third with two outs, as if that situation were better than runners at second and third with two outs. Did anyone else catch that?

by birdjam on Oct 13, 2006 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To tell the truth
I didn't disagree.   You're up by 2, make the gamble.    Most cases it's an out, but I think the play would be closer than you think.

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

throw and tag
there is always the possibility of a bad throw.  it happens more often than you think.  it wasnt a force play so the defense has to have a good throw and a good tag.  

by dmb60614 on Oct 13, 2006 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Sheehan agrees with you guys...
...Guess I'm wrong - definitely not the first time and it won't be the last. From his column on Baseball Prospectus today:

"I got an e-mail late last night from a reader criticizing Tim McCarver's insistence that Paul Lo Duca should have tried to score in a second-and-third, one-out situation in the eighth inning. I'm never shy about criticizing broadcasters when warranted, but in this case, McCarver was absolutely right.

The play in question was a groundball to second with the infield in by David Wright. Lo Duca flinched, but never looked to seriously be considering going. Now, the trade-off here is a base for a potential run. If you don't go, you'll have second and third and two outs. If you have the contact play on and get thrown out, you'll have first and third and two outs. The difference between the two situations is less than one-tenth of a run.

Unless the runner on second is more important than the runner on third (in which case the infield would be playing back, anyway), or you believe your runner to have, on average, less than a 10% chance of scoring, the contact play has to be on. Mind you, this isn't Strat-O-Matic, and we can't calculate that figure exactly. However, while I'm sure I can concoct a degenerate situation involving a Molina and the 1972 Baltimore Orioles, any realistic combination of players is going to have a better than 10% chance of scoring.

Randolph should have had the contact play on, and Lo Duca should have been trying to score. It ended up not mattering, because the Cardinals can't score, but it's an interesting example of where understanding the value of situations--the run expectancy chart--can help lead to better decisions."

by birdjam on Oct 13, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he said
that he should have been running on contact.  He admitted that he'd have probably been out, but that it was a strange call by Randolph.  I think he was right it just wouldn't have worked out in this case.

by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rolen
I actually disagree about Rolen.  I thought that he swung the bat much better. Unfortunately, Glavine jammed him on the at bat where he popped the ball up.  But he pulled several pitches foul that were hit very hard in the same at bat.  Can't remember what inning it was.  I think the injection actually helped him though.  I still think you have to give him a shot.

by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Tony would agree with you ...
That's why Rolen finds his name on the lineup card 99% of the time lately. It's a case of style over substance. It's "how'd he look?" rather than the 0-fer-whatever he's compiling game after game being a determinator.

I hope you and TLR are right. Something's gotta give.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan/Wilson and Rolen/Spiezio
I had the same thought as you, Larry, on letting Wilson hit for himself in the eighth, and that was before I saw his splits against Mota. Even if the Mets bring in Feliciano to face Duncan, it's probably a better matchup for the Cards.

On Rolen, I may be in the minority, but I thought his swing looked considerably better last night.

by DCGreg on Oct 13, 2006 10:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like we all had the same though
I figured Dunc could take a few pitches, maybe draw a walk, maybe see that happens.   Wilson struck out on what would have been a ball.

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what pissed me off more
was that he didnt take his bat off his shoulder on 3-0.  he got a nice ball to hit but was taking all the way.  the cards have been doing that all season.  i'm all for taking walks but when you see a 3-0 get me over fastball you need to hit that pitch....especially when you are just going to swing at something bad later in the count.

by dmb60614 on Oct 13, 2006 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree
No way I want anyone swinging there with Pujols on deck.  I'd have give him two take signs, b/c I don't trust Wilson to take a ball out of the zone.

by Speedy G on Oct 13, 2006 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC
the announces said Oquendo told him to take.

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad move, Tony
I understand any concern about Randolph countering Duncan with a lefty.  Duncan against a lefty is not the matchup I want there.  Not sure if anyone was warming up, though, and if not, Mota would have had to pitch to Duncan.

Otherwise, send Spiezio up there.  Don't give me this crap about saving him for the ninth, that was the game right there in the eighth with Pujols on deck.  That was our best (only) shot.

Letting Wilson face Mota was a terrible decision.

by Speedy G on Oct 13, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my first thought too
But at least according to Mike and John, there was no one warming until after that at bat when they got Bradford up.

by OCCardsFan on Oct 13, 2006 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradford
I was guessing Bradford would be the guy to face Pujols in that spot.  Most managers seem to prefer the most unorthodox delivery they have against guys like Pujols.

by Speedy G on Oct 13, 2006 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is Rolen still in there?
First off, I LOVE Rolen. I think he's a great player, an amazing defender and WHEN HEALTHY, a strong bat behind AP.

However, something isn't right with him this series. Here's his plate appearance breakdown:
5 Pop outs
3 Fly outs
3 Ground outs (1 double play, all on the left side)
2 Strike outs
1 Hit by pitch
1 Walk
1 Double

His postseason average is .071, his OBP is .188, and his OPS is .330. So his OPS+ is a whopping .518.

Something clearly isn't right.

by dspeer on Oct 13, 2006 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Decline ...
started sometime late in the summer. Check the numbers. August was middling. September was out and out bad. October's been a disaster. It's been a steady march into the abyss for Rolen, and he stoically offers brave bromides to placate Tony so that his name can be pencilled in with a clear conscience, I guess.

It's really hurt this team. And it's been doubly frustrating with a healthy stud like Spiezio just collecting dust on the bench.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just say no to signing Weaver
to a contract next season.  To his credit, he has pitched well the last month or so.  However, I can't stand the guys body language when something goes wrong.  After Beltran's homer last night, he gave up and was essentially begging LaRussa to take him out.  The guy can pitch but he is not tough and at this point in his career I don't see that changing.  Please Walt, don't be blinded by the last month.  Over the long haul, this guy is a blonde Marquis.  Look at his track record and just say no.

by lefty fan on Oct 13, 2006 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

disagree
What I see from Weaver bears many more similarities to the Stewart-Kile-Williams line of veteran pitchers whose careers have revived under Dave Duncan than to Jason Marquis. Weaver clearly has made some adjustments under Duncan that are paying off. Marquis seems to be a guy who refuses to listen to Duncan and has an inflated sense of his value to the team. (See his comment in today's P-D about being "blindsided" by his omission from the roster.)

I don't know if this is enough to warrant signing Weaver. That'll depend on things like the relative pricetags of Suppan and Marquis -- and on whether the team has a shot at getting a top gun like Schmidt or Zito.  But I wouldn't rule out Weaver at this stage.

by DCGreg on Oct 13, 2006 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't doubt Weaver's talent
but what I doubt is his ability to bounce back from another bad streak of pitching.  IMO, Weaver lacks the ability to grind it out.  At the first sign of trouble his shoulders slump and he hangs his head.  If Beltran had hit that bomb in the first inning, I believe Weaver would have folded.  He's just not the kind of guy that will ever instill confidence in his team much like Marquis. The only difference between the two is that Marquis is stupidly stubborn and Weaver is a straw man (literally and figuratively).

by lefty fan on Oct 13, 2006 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying
that Rolen has played well in the playoffs but I agree that he looked better last night.  I don't agree with playing a hurt Rolen but I just think if he feels ok he's bound to break out at some point.

by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess you
just have to trust him and Tony.  If not, then who can you trust?  I don't purport to know the extent of his pain or injury but hopefully if he doesn't feel good he will say something.  

by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rolen
Rolen has been aweful at the plate, but I agree he is looking better then the NLDS. Last night he hit a few long fall balls but eventually would pop out. In the last series against the Padres, he would pop up a few foul and the swing right over the top of the ball and stike out. He is improving, but not fast enough.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Helluva time
for the team to patiently await signs of life from him. Here we are, getting all hopeful about foul balls.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok,
I understand your bickering, but despite the horrible last month the guy still had a damn good season.  It's not like we just picked him off of wavers.  We know what he brings and that is still better than anything else that we've got.

by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

au contrair
He had a great first half. (avert your eyes from those 2nd half numbers)

A lot of folks think that Spiezio brings more right now.

And it's not "bickering" ... more like "fed up" and just pointing out the obvious.

by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alberts post game comments...
were pretty lame. Give credit where credit is due mang. Glavine tore us apart.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What did he say?
Does someone have a link?
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't have a link...
but his remarks were to the tune of "Glavine wasn't good, we just got unlucky...", etc...
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
The "I'm not allowed to make a mistake?" comment seemed unlike him, too. He rarely seems to stay surly for long, though.
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rolen
I am not saying that I am glad to see long fall balls. I just think he might be getting more comfortable, I agree that this is the playoffs and you have to go with the hot hand, or at least the one who can get a friggin hit.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols on Glavine
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/461341p-388158c.html

"He wasn't good. He wasn't good at all," Pujols said of Glavine, who threw seven innings of four-hit ball for the victory. "I think we hit the ball hard, we didn't get some breaks.

"I say he wasn't good at all. We just didn't get some opportunities and that's it. . . . (Glavine did the) same thing that he always does. Throw a changeup, fastball and that was it. I just think we should've done a better job than we did."

I know he's frustrated, but I really found this out of character from Albert.

by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Think the media was freaking him out?
It least it pretty much guarantees Albert will never be a Met or Yankee (not that I was too worried about that anyway).
"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
There is no doubt that St. Louis media coddles these players, but I think it's just due to frustration.

by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Bull...
Albert is not wrong at all in this matter. Did Glavine pitch well? Yes.

Did the Cardinals make him look dominate by hacking away all night rather than forcing Glavine to throw strikes (something which, when push came to shove, Glavine didn't seem able to do)? Absolutuly.

That indicates to me that the lack of offense last night falls more on the shoulders of the Card offense than on the left arm of Tom Glavine.

by JMedwick on Oct 13, 2006 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon now.
But to say that Glavine wasn't "good"?  It's just out of character.

by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
And Albert was also probably pretty embarrased about his baserunning blunder - or at least he should be.  He's also feeling the burden of three straight 0-fers - but his bad streaks are usually short and I would expect to see that "gleam in his eye" look tonight.  He bounces back from poor plate performances as quickly and well as anyone in the game.

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I would not look forward to being John Maine tonight.

by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert...
My take, I could be really wrong:

He's pissed about his mistake.  He is saying those things things to get the crowd all riled up.   So he comes to the plate, puts pressure on himself and bops one out of the park tonight.

by redbird2006in on Oct 13, 2006 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in any case
it wasn't very classy.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder about class sometimes
We respect athletes because they have that Bob Gibson-nobody-is-better-than-me attitude... but when they show it in public, people are quick to jump on them.

Could Albert have just tipped his cap and said good game? Yeah. But that would have shown that somebody else was better than him and he would have lost a psycholgical advantage. Now he's going out there tonight with a huge chip on his shoulder, trying to prove that last night was a fluke and he is still the best there is.

It is true that there is a thin line between confidence and cockiness, but I'm going to let the best player in the game decide where that line is, not me.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree
that the Cards could have done a better job at the plate last night, but good pitching always trumps good hitting.  In my book it's a tip of the cap to Glavine and their bullpen for a job well done.  How do you think the Mets viewed Weaver's performance?  Bad hitting on their part or good pitching on Weaver's part?  Probably some of both, but in a low scoring game/shutout you've got to say the pitchers did a good job.  We only left 7 guys on base - not a huge number.

Here's to bringing our best blend of patience and aggressiveness to the plate tonight.  If we make the rookie work and punish "our" pitches, it stands to be a good night.

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way...
Absolutuly is now my favorite word.

by dspeer on Oct 13, 2006 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of what Albert said..
was true.  Glavine threw the fastball and changeup, didn't change anything from what he normally does.
No whether Albert thinks that is good is a different story.  I say 290 wins speak well that Glavine does something right, even if it is the same thing he does everytime.
Albert was probably a little more upset with his performance and vented.  No biggie.
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Oct 13, 2006 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pardon the pun...
...but what albert said was busch league.  the accuracy of the comment is irrelevant.  he doesn't need to make those comments.  he's better than that.  much better.  that crap sounds like something that would come out of sheffield's mouth or pappi's mouth.  

it's definitely out of character.  and i'll just chalk it up to frustration - for all the reasons mentioned above.  

albert's my/our guy.  the boss.  the truth.  a beast.  a man among boys.  but i have no problem with telling him to shut that pie-hole and let the big stick do the talking tonight.  

and i'm 100% convinced that he will.  he's going to break out tonight.  in a big way.    

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets get the whole article here
Why can I be frustrated? I can't make a mistake?" Pujols snapped at the reporters who waited him out after the game. "Am I perfect?"

Yes its a shock, but I agree glavine wasnt that great he was constantly behind in the counts...If he wasnt named Tom glavine then people would have been all over that...It wasnt a typical Glavine performace...the way he(AP) said it makes him look bad, btu think he was just upset...not a big deal

by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually
think playing Spezio at third is a good idea, especially tonight since Maine is a righty.  And also Duncan for that matter in left which I assume Tony will do.  I just wouldn't give up on Rolen yet this year.  Still think he has something left to give.  

by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan in left
is such a gamble. Sometimes it seems like the guy can't catch the ball. Tonight's gonna be a defensive night (i.e. with Carp on the mound we need to shut them down), and we can't afford defensive mistakes. We'll score enough to win against the rookie. If they don't score, we can't lose.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rolen
PLEASE Get Rolen out of the lineup.  His shoulder just can't hold up to the situation, and at worst, as a bench player, he makes a dangerous weapon.  He still has a great eye, and he can be really good if Randolph brings in a lefty to face (insert lhb here).

But, did you see the way Glavine pitched him?  He cannot keep anything on the inside of the plate in fair territory right now, and he can't catch up with a good fastball.  By the way, I think this Maine kid has a pretty lively fastball to throw to him.  

Has anyone seen Rolen hit a 93mph fastball since August>

I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown

by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, Rolen must go.
When was the last time you've seen Rolen hit it to the opposite field?  Give me some Speez (he's got a proven postseason punch unlike scotty). He deserves another start.  Sorry Rolen but you're hurt.  And when you are hurt and you trying to play, you are hurting our team.
Milt Thompson

by Milt Thompson on Oct 13, 2006 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, as stats and the Mets showed last night
Defense matters in the postseason.  Statistically, defense matters more than offense.

So Rolen and his vacuum cleaner defense or Spezio and a little better offense?

Yeah, Rolen's offensive performance REALLY bothers me.  But I WANT that defense.   What I don't want is something like Eric Chavez' defense from Wednesday night where he creates an opportunity for 2 or 3 Detroit runs - but hey, he hits well!

IMO, this is not a simple, cut and dried decision.  

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How?
Statistically, defense matters more than offense?  You're going to have to prove that one to me, because I don't buy it.

Rolen's defense is even less important in this series.  6 left handed batters are more likely to smash the ball to 1st than 3rd.

by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't find hte Hardball times article
that has been referenced several times on this blog.   Their statistical work showed that
  1.  Starting pitcher k rate
  2.  defense
  3. closer
were the most important things in the playoffs.   I'll keep looking.

I didn't think Chavez was a very good defense player, but I honestly don't follow the A's.  Those 2 or 3 outs he missed in Wednesday's game all turned into runs.

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavez' error was an anomaly
He is generally excellent defensively.  That play had an unfortunate result in the game, but you can't let that one play morph into:

"Sucks about the error, but hey he sure can hit."

Ridiculous.  If anything Chavez had a poor year offensively, but is consistently excellent with the glove.

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he's such a "dangerous weapon"
then why not have him out there, since he is most dangerous when he has a glove on.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glavine
Kept the hitters off balance

But he didn't seem to be sharp.  Was behind against a number of hitters, but to his credit, he didn't give in.  And there was some solid contact made by the Cards, just right at people.  Belly, the DP with runners on 1st & 2nd...

The STL hitters seem to be pressing a lot.  Whatever happened to going the other way against Glavine if you are a Rh hitter?  Take the outside corner fastball or change to RF.  Rolen especially didn't look to go opposite field at all.

It looked like some of the hitters were trying to crush each pitch when they swung.  Just string hits together, make the pitcher work in pressure situations and get a rally going.

And please exercise patience.  That late inning Eckstein at bat was difficult, especially when he swung at the pitch 2 inched off the dirt.  He ultimately did take a walk, but was swinging at bad pitches.

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

quote of the day
From P-D:

Jason Marquis, left off the roster for the league championship series, said he felt "a bit blindsided" by the club's decision and that he didn't care to ask why because it wasn't going to change his status.

... Guess he hasn't been reading this blog.

by DCGreg on Oct 13, 2006 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HAH!
blindsided?  I swear that dude lives on another planet.  Has he looked at tape of himself pitching this year?  JEEZ
Milt Thompson

by Milt Thompson on Oct 13, 2006 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or looked at his stats!
I'm surprised he didn't drop dead from shock that he WAS ON the roster for the division series!

by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's always
whining like a little girl. I will be so damn happy when his one-way ticket out of St.Lou finally gets punched.

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont
discredit little girls like that.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...
Most little girls, though whiny, don't deserve to be spoken of in the same breath as Marquis. I apologize.

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I think tonight
is as close to a must-win, non-elimination game as you can have.

Carp is the ace of the staff and I believe the team has enormous confidence in him - he's earned it.

If he were to go out and lose, I believe the toll it would take on the rest of the players would be a greater degree of pressing.  The team would play infinitely tighter.  The batters would feel more pressure, the pitchers would likely try to be to precise with their control...

The team would be down 2-0, with their horse not scheduled to come back until game 6.

I say it's a must-win.

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna miss tonight's game...
(I'm broadcasting high school football tonight; the Blytheville Chickasaws in a key 5A-East playoff tilt against the Beebe Badgers for Homecoming!)

so I'm counting on the rest of you (or as we say here in Arkansas, y'all!) to root, root, ROOT for Carp and the Cardinals tonight!

With a righthander on the mound, I figger Tony will start Young Dunc in LF, bat JEd cleanup, drop Juancion to fifth and Sco-Ro to sixth.  It'll be interesting to see what kind of approach the Redbird batters take against the Mets' rook!

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Oct 13, 2006 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Funny
I'm missing tonight's game for HS football, too.

It's my youngest's 3rd birthday and his only request was he wanted to see football.  So off we go.

But I'll be wearing a Cardinals jersey - and my VEB t-shirt for luck.  

And thank goodness to Tivo...

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oct. Friday night in Ark.
Boy, just remembering it brings back goosebumps. I'm a city  slicker from Parkview in LR though...

I'm having a couple of Cards fans over for a 8:19 am start here in Malaysia. Its more than a world away. But we are wearing red anyhow...

I wish I could see that Autumn night and the take in smell of the grass churned up by the linemen...

Let's get some of the Mets' out and make it 1-1.

The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time. - Catfish Hunter

by klcard on Oct 13, 2006 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

arkansan as well...
i'm from arkansas as well.  grew up there.  spent my first 21 years there.  in texas now (dallas), but get back up to arkansas often to see the family.

and i'm from ne arkansas.  so i know exactly where blytheville is.  grew up 30 miles from there.

good stuff.

veb rules.

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice
Nice to see NE Arkansas represented.  I grew up close to paragould and still hold down the cardinal love in Little Rock.

by gdowdy3 on Oct 13, 2006 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, gang...
I'll be wearing my usual Chickasaw Maroon tonight... but with my Cards' T-shirt underneath it! <grin>
"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Oct 13, 2006 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football committments..
I missed most of last night's game due to the Jr. high football game (I'm in charge of the concession stand) and will miss most of tonight for the Sr. high game (well, at least until half-time, after my daughter does her band thing, I'm headin' for the house! glad it's an "away" game ('bout 15 miles from home)).

Nice to hear from all the other "Arkies" here, both current and former.  I just wish there were more local radio affliates (like it seems there used to be).  I get pretty spotty reception sometimes.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 13, 2006 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet another Arkie
I live in Atlanta now, but was born and raised in Little Rock. Go Cards and go Hogs!

by steve in georgia on Oct 13, 2006 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not from
Arkansas, but went to grad school at U of A (Fayetteville) from '90-'93. Three years of bliss. What a great town! And ya can't beat Arkansas for hunting and fishing. Miss it horribly. OOOOOooooo Pig Soooooey!!!!!!

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice.
so did you share in my joy when the hogs kicked the shit out of auburn last weekend???

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm another former razorback
It's fun for an old (?ancient) alum of Blytheville High to read about the Chickasaws here.  Maybe we can start our own blog!  Lboros can tell you about Blytheville, too, not to mention the real gem of the region--Manila, Ark.

by oldbirdwatcher on Oct 14, 2006 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do agree with Mr. Borowsky
About batting Rolen 7th and Belliard 6th.  Belliard has been making solid contact - even when making outs in Game 1 vs. NY.  Rolen is off, whether it's a matter of health and the shoulder changing his swing mechanics, or whether he is pressing to reverse his last 5-6 week trend, he's not right.

But I like his defense.

I think back to Nettles for NYY vs. the Dodgers in the series.  And Brooks Robinson in the series.  3B defense can make a difference.

If Reyes looks to 3b and sees Speizio there rather than Rolen, he will think long and hard about bunting for a hit.  I'm sure others would as well.

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wonder why teams
don't try to bunt a bit more with belly playing SO deep at 2nd. I mean that guy really plays deep; he's liable to dive into enc trying to knock down a ground ball. it seems to me, if they could bunt it by Carp, free-base.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wagner's Quote
fyi: anyone hear billy wagner's quote last night???

reporter: This was a big win for you guys tonight, right?... especially
when they've got chris carpenter on the mound tommorow night.

wagner: So?... we've got john maine tommorow night?

the radio guys were talkin' about that this morning... and one of the guys
said "was he being serious?"... "yea, i think he was".... "oh that whole 4
and a 1/3rd inning he pitched in the NLDS???"

Milt Thompson

by Milt Thompson on Oct 13, 2006 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think that's good comment too.
if reyes goes, that's what i want to hear from our guys.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that Oliver Perez isn't a potential
2 time Cy Young winner with a great postseason record and ERA.

by Hardcore Legend on Oct 13, 2006 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i want the same thing
if it was reyes v. clemens, etc.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that comment!
Hey, last I checked, John Maine was on the same team as BW.  Why wouldn't Wagner express his confidence in his own teammate?  
Would you rather him say "Well, you are right, we have virtually no chance of winning tonight with some rookie going against the Cy Young winner, so we had to win this game just to be tied 1-1"?

I like that kind of brash confidence.  It seems to be the attitude that TLR bleeds from a team when he first gets there.  That way they will play good, tight, scared baseball.

I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown

by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujol's Comments
Are making met fans sad today...we always viewed him as the ultimate class guy. Someone that other stars should aim to emulate.

Do ppl just think he had a rough nite and took it on the media circus that NY is?

Has he gone off like that before?

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen it before
He was obviously wrong in that Glavine pitched a great game.  I do think that Albert is so confident in his hitting that he believes he can hit anyone - obviously a good thing if you can back it up, which he usually does.  I would chalk it up to a frustrating night for him:  baserunning blunder, 0-fer, loss/shutout, and couple of line drives right at somebody - off Glavine to 3rd and off Wagner to first.

I would say give him a free pass on this one.  It seems out of character for him IMHO.

BTW, as much as I hate what Beltran has done to the Cards in the postseason, he was interviewed on the Cards radio last night.  Sounded like a class act.

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He takes the responsibility for a big loss
on himself sometimes.  The team lost, so he'll go back to an AB or two where he had an opportunity to come up big, and didn't.

by Valatan on Oct 13, 2006 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He vented...
it was out of character.  He had a rare off day, and when you are so good so consistently like Albert, an off day in the playoffs leads you to say something kind of stupid.  I've done it, you've probably done it, we are humans and emotions get the best of us sometimes.
Speaking of class, Shea crowd booing Albert on his 1st AB last night isn't exactly classy.   You don't have to cheer for the guy, but I doubt StL is going to boo Delgado, Wright or Beltran Saturday.
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Oct 13, 2006 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We only boo'd him....
cuz we're deadly afraid of him ;)

its actually a sign of respect for him in NY (i know how twisted!!!)

Yea listen I'm not big into booing the other team's superstars, but its just something that always happens in NY.  I cant say I approve but there's nothing that can be done.

On you guys in STL not booing our stars - yea, well thats why everyone says you guys are the classiest fans in the business, not us!!! lol

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mom's family is from NYC...
and if booing is a sign of respect...that explains so much of their "affection" growing up!
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Oct 13, 2006 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm booing Beltran!!!
and it's out of pure hatred!!! :P Beltran is the ultimate postseason Cardinal killer. Last night brought back flashbacks of 2004.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame you
Listen if Beltran got boo'd outta St. Louis, I'd completely understand between gm 1 and 2004.

I'm sure he'd know the drill too.

I mean jeez he got boo'd in new york when he was on the mets!!!!

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool guys - thanks
I'm passing on your comments to all met fans on our boards cuz I dont want ppl to start hating on him for one bad night in the media.  he doesnt deserve that and he's always seemed like the class dude you guys are saying he is. And you know us met fans, we could turn that into something crazy!!!

And yes, I wouldnt wanna be John Maine tonight either, Mr. Pujols is gonna be on the warpath tonight.

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder if
they'll even have the kid pitch to pujols?

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can be surly...
but even that was very un-Pujols like. I think his frustration got the best of him.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This thread may be dead...
but my friend works for Statsticker and was in the clubhouse after game 3 of the NLDS and said that Pujols said the same thing about Chris Young.

I don't have a problem with a guy pointing the finger at himself, but he has to tip his hat to the other guy first.

"Man, Glavine was great tonight, but I really feel like we beat ourselves also..." and it's a non-story.

by Nails on Oct 13, 2006 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm in agreement..
...like i said above, albert's comments were busch league.  he can keep that crap to himself.  he wasn't building his team up or showing confidence or whatever.  he was just pissed at his and everyone elses' performance and lashed out.  

to answer your question though, it's completely out of character.  he doesn't ever say things like that.  i can't recall a single time he's said something like that.

sure...he's prone to the occasional bat-flip after a monster tater or a glare at a pitcher or a slow trot.  it's rare, but albert's more prone to that than running his mouth like this.

so, please spread the word that it's an anomoly.  if you or anyone else wants evidence of what this guy is about, check out his charity website... pujolsfamilyfoundation.org.  you'll see that this is a superstar athlete with class.  unfortunately, a rarity these days.  but albert is as good as it gets.

oh...and he's frustrated.  so trust me when i tell you that you should be worried about tonight.  10-1 that he comes out with a monster night.  seen it too often.

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols
It really was a bit out of character for Pujols to not give Glavine credit.  Pujols will just have to back up his words with actions in Game 5.

I can't imagine what it would be like to have to talk to reporters right after a game in which I was disappointed with myself, ticked off, etc.  I'm sure I'd end up saying something I regretted all the time.

Oh, one more thing - The Mets fans will really hate Albert after he performs one of his extra-large bat flips off of an Oliver Perez home run in Game 4.

by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's been doing a couple things i don't like
lately (besides hitting mondo game-winning homeruns, etc.). this bratty chatter is one, and then he's also doing the slow-bondslike-i'm so bad-staredown of some of his homeruns. did he always do that? cause i don't remember it. maybe i was staring at the blasts.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert has never struck me as a particularly nice
guy. And, furthermore, I don't particularly care, although I do think last night's comments are kind of embarassing.

I think being an elite athlete requires a degree of drive, competitiveness, ruthlessness and confidence that often doesn't translate into someone that you would want to hang out with or whose behavior you would want your kids to emulate.

by steve in georgia on Oct 13, 2006 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about
jack nicklaus, etc.? I'm not sure that's entirely true, but I get your point.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alberto
Look at Michael Jordan.  He was the trash-talkin'est guy on the court.  Larry Bird was the same way.  They had a swagger about them.  They talked because they knew they could back it up.  It was probably that "I own you" stare just as much as his mammoth homer that ruined Lidge as a dominant closer.  
I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown

by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly there are many exceptions to the rule.
I just think that, broadly speaking, difficult personalities and great athletes go hand in hand.

by steve in georgia on Oct 13, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey
The guy's human. He may play baseball like a superhuman, but he gets pissed and says, sometimes does, pissy things like we all do. I frankly could care less. He busts his ass for charity, is a great family man, and has always been cool to the fans. A couple moments of Barry Bonds-ian behavior does not a Barry Bonds make. How would we all fare being in the spotlight like he is? I'm know I'd be in the doghouse for a lot worse--especially when I was his age (whatever age he really is ;-).

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game 2 can decide the series
"The Mets had to play their A game to win, pitching defense and offense, and at least the pitching is not gonna be there tonight. Meanwhile we played a B game, only defense and pitching were there, the hitting still on vacation, I hope tonight we'll pound their starter early."

You are joking right, The Mets have the best offence in the league. Dont be suprised if they beat Carpenter at shea, his era on the road is 3 runs higher then at home. If the mets win game 2, this series is all but over.

by Wdwrkr35 on Oct 13, 2006 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
that comment brought a lot to the table. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and here come the Mets fans...
even though no one asked for their opinions. (Except PondScumFan and Nails, you two offer alot of actual incite and good debate)
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, don't want to be a prick, but
don't you mean "insight" instead of "incite" since PondScumFan and Nails have done very little if anything to "incite" us Cards fans (as opposed to the other referenced mets fans)

Sorry, I don't usually try to correct spelling, I'm not the grammar police (anybody else love the mom who does that in the "Jump Start" comic?), but, due to the meaning of the two words involved.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 13, 2006 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touche!
You are correct, my mistake.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sucked being sick
and on medicine that made me drowsy for the game, but best as I can tell that was a good loss.  I know since TLR has been coaching we've been basically NLCS chokers, but last night did not have the feeling of one of those losses.  I thought Weav pitched outstanding, and we made good contact with the ball.  From what I remember on Sportscenter, there were a couple of nontraditional double plays (a line-out on a hit and run and a fly out with Albert running like a moron), so those were rally killers.  But I feel pretty good considering we just lost.  Let's take their home field advantage away tonight, boys!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Oct 13, 2006 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where did TJ find this new found control?
He has been lights out in the playoffs thus far.  Did he tweek his mechanics or something.  This is a monumental change from what we've seen from him previously.  I've been extremely impressed.

Glad Weaver forgot he can't really pitch to lefties too.  Unfortunate that we couldn't eek out a win behind such a phenomenal pitching performance by Jeff but it also gives me hope that Glavine (who isn't know to pitch well on short rest) can be beat the next time around and we won't have to score 8 runs to win the game.

I gotta say that pitching duels are my favorite game to watch - hands down.

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Oct 13, 2006 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he started off shaky...
got behind the first couple he faced, but he then turned it around and did his 2006 post season thing. I really hope this postseason builds up all these kids confidence for next year. I'd love to see TJ/Kinney/Wainwright this good during the regular season.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume you meant TG...
He just seems to be locked in with his control.  I can't put my finger on anything really different he's doing.

He looks to be trying to be more aggressive and stop nibbling (he'll leave that to Tracshel). He also has been working in his curveball a little bit more down the stretch.  He maybe only threw 8-10 curves last night, and maybe 5-6 of them were to Pujols...who knows?

And was that Jeff Weaver or Jared last night? I think you guys pulled the brother switcheroo on us!!!!! All kidding aside, Weaver looked awesome, we were all very impressed. That curve was buckling knees all night long

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha you meant TJ
I'll be quite now :-X. My bad guys.

::stupid met fan leaves::

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that would be...
quiet not quite.

d'oh

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I don't think anyone would label Glavine's control "newfound"

by Valatan on Oct 13, 2006 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in fact
i though Glavine struggled with his control a bit.

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong, he meant TJ...
TJ = Tyler Johnson, our left handed relief pitcher. The kid has always had pretty good stuff, but a total lack of control. However, this post season, he has been absolutely lights out.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea my bad as you can see above
I dont wanna do any work today and I guess i was jumping the gun to talk with y'all my bad.

Your boy TJ looked real good last night.

I think you guys have found some real gems in the young arms in your bullpen.  Should be fun to watch them develop into the studs they have the potential to be.

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TJ was making me nervous last night
Notoriously poor control reared it's ugly head when he first came out, but for some reason he's spotting his breaking pitches for strikes.

And when he can get that over, man is it a thing of beauty.

But his wildness was starting to show again.  I hope that's as much of it as we see in the series.

by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved that Chavez pitch where he bailed
Chavez was convinced it was going to hit him in the head and it dropped over the outer half of the plate for a called strike.  When TJ's stuff is working, it's filthy.

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of which
I swear to GOD every time we have a tough game it seems like we face a series of relievers that pitch 96 to 100mph.    

And if course, if we break through to the World Series we'd probably hit 'em AGAIN with Detroit.  

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I was pretty upset as well when Albert made that base running mistake. We might not have done anything else in the inning, but that deflated a little air out of our bubble.
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Weaver
Pitched fantastic for the redbirds, Its a shame for Cardinals fans that Glavine is on  a roll. Glavine Has won his last 3 starts not allowing a single earned run in 19 ip.

by Wdwrkr35 on Oct 13, 2006 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone made the comment this morning
that St. Albert didn't have the "take the team on my back" look.  When P-Dubs was up in the 8th, they showed a pic of Al in the ondeck circle and I thought "There is the 'Look'".  I think that inning, and him coming up w/ less on the line took a little off the table.  

by toris34 on Oct 13, 2006 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's to tonight
Over the past 3 seasons, St. Al has had 9 times where he went 3 consecutive hitless games.  In the 9 follow-up games he's 18-36 w/ 7 hr's and 4 walks.  My math(which may be wrong) comes out to an OPS of 1.675.  It's a busy day @ work, but the playoffs are the playoffs.  Let's hope game #10 of this scenario follows suit.

by toris34 on Oct 13, 2006 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post
I was wondering how many times Albert has gone 3 games without a hit.  Here's to the trend continuing....

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does everyone else appreciate this?
great job of digging up that stat, toris34.

i watch pujo all the time, but sometimes i'm still amazed when i see his numbers.  

in the past 3 years, he's only gone hitless in 3 straight games 9 TIMES?????  are you fucking kidding me?  incredible.

wow.  i mean, really.  wow.

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW is right
He is amazing.  That's kind of like the stat of having 49 HR and 50 SO.  Look at the other home run hitters - their SO's are a multiple of their HR's.  He has some fun, outrageous numbers to highlight how special he is.

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a brighter note...
Amaury Marti, Brendan Ryan and Nick Stavinoha have all had good starts in the Az Fall League.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trying this superstition on the day of the game
Tried it on Wed. before it was cancelled and forgot today. So, here goes.

Anybody want to put a voodoo curse on the Mets?

After doing this the score tonight will be 4-3 Cardinals. Mark it down.

Though I will say that, the fact that Carpenter is not throwing between starts kind of scares me a little.

by Mugrad on Oct 13, 2006 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this the best time of the year or what?...
god I just LOVE fall baseball ..what a fantastic ballgame last night!  Hell I wanted to win ..of course..but that was a hard fought game between two pretty evenly matched teams..and THAT is what I'm happy about. After watching that game I feel we CAN win this series guys. We are not looking  overly matched like the A's are against the Tigers...Glavine was Awesome last night..give him credit...but I don't think we saw a good outing by our offense at all...so if...and that is a BIG IF with this club...if the bats can figure out yong Mr.Maine tonight, we have a excellent shot at going into STL with a 1-1 split and that would be huge in my book. We have our best pitcher on the mound, and if some of the Mets fans who have joined us here on VEB feel that we "over-rate" him...all the Better...I hope the Mets players  feel the same way, though I highly doubt that, because if they do?...he'll prove why he is a Cy Young candidate for the second year in a row, and put a lick'in on em.   This is a VERY GOOD Mets team, no doubt, but if that one win sends them off thinking they can just relax now and not worry about this Cards team for the rest of the series....they are going to be brought back to earth pretty fast I think.
I have nothing but respect for the Mets. but I'm hoping they don't for us because it will just give us more of an advantage..SEVEN game series boys...loooooonnnng...way to go yet...GO CARDS!!

by Timbo02 on Oct 13, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Back from off-site meeting
I have been without VEB for nearly a week. (The palsy has lessened significantly, thank you.) Now, I have to sift through close to 4000 posts before I am completely up to speed. Should take me a few days, but I have to do it. I don't think it's an addiction, but I may be in denial.
Oh, the burden of stupid people.

by Solanus on Oct 13, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure
someone can fill you in with the cliffnotes from the week
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cliff notes now available at
the VEB campus bookstore; 20 % off w/ student ID

by lboros on Oct 13, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff notes
might actually help. But it would probably be more welcome on the P-D boards - that way you wouldn't have to wade through the innumerable "TLR sucks" and "F-you, ESPN!" posts.
Oh, the burden of stupid people.

by Solanus on Oct 13, 2006 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preston's "ball 4" swing...
...this seems to be an emerging consensus that Preston swunng at ball 4 in his pop up. I reviewed the play and have two thoughts -

a) it might have been called a strike. It would have been a bad call/high strike...but could have been...that's what you do w/ 2 strikes - protect the plate.

b) 98 mph fastball that rides up in the zone is seriously not easy to recognize as obviously a "ball".  

Preston actually showed miraculous patience (for him) in his ab, running the count to 3-2.  He had to swing at that pitch and popped it up. As, lboros would say, boo hooo hooo.

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 13, 2006 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for checking that out
I remember being obviously unhappy that he didn't produce in that situation, but I thought it was a quality AB.  Wison was patient, made him throw strikes, tried to work the count to his advantage/get a walk - not what we always see him do.  A first pitch pop-up would have made me blow a gasket.  With Albert on deck he gave it his best shot.  He had to protect the plate with two strikes and he did.  When you're looking for 3 out of 10 of those to work out and call it good, you obviously have to accept that one of those other 7 outcomes can come at inconvenient times.

That's obviously separate from who Tony sent up there - absolutely should have been Duncan.  Given that it was Wilson, he approached it the right way in my book and it just didn't work out against a good pitcher.

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3-0 Count
I have been thinking about taking pitchs on the 3-0 count. If you see the ball is going to be strike and even if you don't hit take a swing at it. Miss on purpose. It will be a strike regardless pretty much. But the 3-1 count makes the pitcher rethink his strategy cause you were at least swinging. So it forces him to try to make a better pitch on 3-1 thus increasing the chance he will miss.

You guys get what I am trying to say?

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 13, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree
that a 98 mph that rises is probably impossible to pick up on.  Still, I thought it was almost at his shoulders.  

Of course, no one pays ME to hit a baseball.

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
I thought it looked "too close to take with 2 strikes".  As mad as people got with him swinging, imagine if he had taken a called 3rd strike!

And the k-zone thing on gameday showed it in the zone; unfortunately they don't seem to archive gameday.  I wish they would, since you never know until afterwards if there is going to be controversy and then it is too late to take a screenshot...  

You either get all the glory or all the... goat hair. -mike shannon

by SleepyCA on Oct 13, 2006 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dan patric show
dan and keith olberman are discussing pujol's comments last night re: glavine has nothing, yada, yada.

dan is ripping pujols.  olberman is defending him saying that the comment was out of context.  it was a question stemming from glavine saying that he shut down the cardinals.  keith saying that glavine didn't do anything special...just like pujols said.  

dan patrick was all over pujols saying glavine won 290 games, yada, yada....

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

eh
it's just two guys opinions, just like us. Except they have a mic.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true enough.
but it shows that pujo's comments are getting play nationwide.  

i'll expect a healthy round of boo-birds for el hombre tonight.

by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long
as they come after his 4th RBI of the night, I'll be happy
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Setup
They probably each picked a side in prepping for the show.  Dan said, "I'll play the heavy this time."  Keith's reply, "That's fine.  I'll take Pujols side."  It wouldn't be good entertainment for them to agree.....

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow!
Olberman is a Mets fan too and he's defending Pujols.  I have no problem with this.  I think it is being overblown too.

Hernandez

by Hernandez on Oct 13, 2006 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Gee, I guess we could get baited into going to your website...but why bother?

by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We care...
we really do, what a 15 year old with poor web design skills has to say.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever
This guy has had maybe ten comments on his sited in the last week.  Met fans use this site more than they use that one...

by BigJawnMize on Oct 13, 2006 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not on my list
of met sites to check out daily.

And yes I use this site more than that one. I wouldn't buy what he's selling guys :)

by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patience...
..What is Jocketty's philosophy on patient hitters? It seems like our lineup is just stacked with UNPATIENT hitters who swing at the first pitch. Living in Mass, I've watched to Red Sox and Yankees field teams full w/ count-workerers w/ high obps. Seems like a good strategy.

Remember woody's 3 pitch inning on sunday? That is unacceptable.

by cardsfaninmass on Oct 13, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good question
We know he likes groundball/flyout ratios for pitchers. We know Billy Bean, for instance, values OBP.   I've wondered this myself.

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE GUY ON METSMOLE.COM
CALLS PUJOLS A CLASS-LESS CRY-BABY AND SAYS PUJOLS HAS IT COMING TO HIM TONIGHT! WHAT ARE METS FANS GOING TO DO, THROW BATTERIES AT HIM LIKE JOHN ROCKER???? LETS GO ALBERTTTTTTTTTTT

he does make a point though (AS MUCH AS I HATE TO ADMIT IT)-glavine's a first ballot HOFer, he must be doing SOMETHING right.

by PujolsforPres on Oct 13, 2006 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm this is curious
El Birdos El Sucko is uid:1381
PujolsforPres is uid:1382

at least be a little more clever in trying to get people to go to your site.

Acquire Jason Schmidt!

by azruavatar on Oct 13, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Busted!
Gotta say though, I love the hypocrisy of calling out someone for being classless and then proclaiming a whole fanbase as being "idiots." I truly do heart New Yorkers.  

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't snap, but
Albert sure wasn't happy or chatty, that's for sure.  Hopefully he'll channel that into some smokin' hits tonight.  Yikes, he sounded mad....

"What happened on the DP between first and second in the 4th, Albert?"

"Double play, that's what happened."

by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just posted something sinliar to your link up ab
where he says "cant i be upset? Im not perfect

by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why do people have to Give pujols the Bonds
treatment its like we have to examine everything he says every action ETC..media, Bernie M...Id hate to be a man of what he believes with his popularity or whatever you want to call it...Bernie alluded to him being a Christian eralier this year, and having a bad attitude...If my beliefs were crituqed just for getting upset man Id be in trouble...I think his overall work speaks for itself..JMO

by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh. It's funny you should ask
since you're reading this website!

There's just so dang much news whitespace to fill these days.  Newspapers, online newspaper exclusives, websites like ESPN and Sportsline, blogs, sites like Hardball Times, etc.   So you get more and more inane questions and more and more "outrage."

by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really though
I mean if he looks at a hr too long, ripped...frustrated gets ripped..i dont get it..maybe if he was a Yankee it wouldnt matter what he said

by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeh but...
Albert needs to bring home a title to be able to back up his comments like Mike and Larry did..

I am not taking anything away from Albert, he is the best player I have ever seen play the game. All I am saying is that Mike talked trash before he won his titles and even more so once he got them. I would like to see Albert have the same swagger, the same stats, and then once the titles come, say "What now? I told you so."

Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we please
Can we Please start talking about baseball instead of acting like Cubs fan talking about TO here.

by DimitroffVodka on Oct 13, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rockin' Redbird
Your were probably in Fayetteville during one of my favorite Newspaper headlines.  I'm in Cincy now but lived in Kansas from the ages of 5-15.  I believe it was '92 (while i was 12) that KU beat the Hogs in the elite 8 and the Wichita paper read "40 minutes of Hell for Ar-kansas, 40 minutes of Heavon for Our-Kansas".  I thought it was wonderful.  Sorry, certainly not trying to bicker w/ fellow cardinal fans, just something I'll never forget about the state..
Ok, boys I have to go to a rehearsal dinner at 7: eastern but figure I can sneak out by 8:30 and be home by the 3rd.  Here's to a good start w/o me...

by toris34 on Oct 13, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't see
that headline, but do recall that game. Man, it was hell! Great headline, though :-)

by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you think the mets strategy
stays the same regarding pujols with the kid on the mound as opposed to glavine? glavine basically pitched to him, though carefully (but glavine's careful with everyone). any chance the kid will just decide not to mess with pujols at all?

by brock on Oct 13, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan/Wilson vs Mota
Lboros, if I recall correctly, Billy Wagner was warming in the bottom of the 8th. If that's correct, then it explains why Tony didn't sub Duncan for Wilson--Randolph would've countered with Wagner for Mota.

by Hastur on Oct 13, 2006 6:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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