a hard shea's night
all those replacement-level hurlers gumming up the rosters, and the series kicks off with a pitcher's duel? whatever. to me, that game embodied what the playoffs are all about -- wait around, wait around, wait around until somebody makes a mistake and gets punished for it. if the rest of the games are as taut as that one, it's going to be a well-remembered series no matter who wins it.
it would have been sweet if the cardinals had found a way to steal that game, but glavine hasn't won 290 game by accident. last night he turned in his 13th quality start in 16 nlcs outings; the guy has made a career of frustrating good offenses in the playoffs. and the cardinals' offense isn't particularly good against left-handers anyway. just to pile on further, glavine came into the game on a month-long roll; in his 6 starts leading into last night's game (including his game 2 appearance in the nlds), he had compiled a 1.89 era and yielded only 7 hits per 9 innings. last night's was not a typical game for tommy -- his groundout / flyout ratio was 4-15, reversing his usual tendency (1.5:1 go/fo ratio this year), and he pitched from behind in the count a lot -- went to 2-0 on a third of the batters he faced. the cardinals clearly had a strategy to attack the first strike glavine threw; after the first inning (in which all three batters took a called strike one), 14 of 22 cardinals swung at strike one. 8 of those 14 swings resulted in a ball in play: 2 base hits and 6 outs, a .250 batting average. it should be noted, however, that 2 of the 6 outs were line drives to 3d baseman david wright in the 3d inning. so nothing wrong with the strategy; the cardinals' aggression yielded some well-hit balls.
weaver was effectively aggressive as well. as he did against san diego, he neutralized left-handers by pounding the strike zone with his curveball; one report i saw had him throwing 13 of 14 benders for strikes. he got ahead 0-1 on 12 of the 17 left-handed hitters he faced, 8 of them via a called strike one. but in the fateful 6th, the mets got aggressive; it was the 3d time through the lineup, and they made an adjustment, as good teams do. in innings 1 through 5, only 2 met batters swung at the first pitch; but in the 6th, after glavine led off with a groundout, three consecutive mets attacked on 0-0. all three hitters fouled the pitch off, but the last two of those at-bats (lo duca's and beltran's) ultimately produced the mets' winning runs.
couldn't have asked for any more out of weaver -- and don't overlook the bullpen, which stranded 4 runners in scoring position over the last 3 frames. if the cardinals continue to get pitching like that, this is going to be an interesting series. in the nlds, the mets held the dodgers to 1 run in the glavine start but gave up 5 apiece in the other 2 games; with competent pitching, l.a. could have taken both games. i don't think (knock on wood) st louis will lose another 2-0 game in this set.
i now understand why spiezio wasn't one of the two pinch-hitters in the 8th inning; they were saving him for the 9th, to bat for edmonds against wagner. fine; makes sense. but i still haven't figured out why tony didn't pinch-hit duncan for preston wilson later in that inning, after eckstein's two-out walk. guillermo mota owns wilson -- has struck him out 9 times in 18 at-bats over their careers, while allowing only 4 hits (none of them homers). with wagner on tap for the 9th, there was no reason to hold duncan back; he would have been the tying run against mota, and a bridge to getting pujols up there as the go-ahead run . . . . . . i don't know what they were waiting for.
the rolen question: at the very least they have to drop him to 7th in the order. he's an automatic out, a rally killer; can't have him coming up with men on base. i'd slot edmonds 4th, en'cion 5th, belliard 6th and rolen 7th -- if he stays in the lineup. i usually like him in there for his glove, but given the preponderance of left-handed hitters in the new york lineup, i dunno how critical a 3bman's glove is. i guess reyes might bunt his way on more readily if spiezio's in there . . . . . but i don't know if that's enough of a consideration to justify keeping rolen in the lineup. left-handed hitters batted 40 points higher than right-handers did against maine; spiezio'd give them another left-handed bat. as i think this through, i'm coming more firmly to the conclusion that rolen needs to sit for game 2.
i said at the outset i'd be happy enough if the cards won 2 of the first 5, and then take my chances on well-pitched games by carp and supps to close things out in games 6 and 7. tonight represents stl's best chance to grab 1 of those 2. i don't believe it is a "must-win" game -- i don't really believe in "must-win" games until a team is 1 loss from elimination -- but let's just say i'll feel a lot worse about the cards' chances if they lose it.
i am on the road today; should have time to sneak up a game thread mid-afternoon, home before the 1st pitch.
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Iou're totally right
The Mets had to play their A game to win, pitching defense and offense, and at least the pitching is not gonna be there tonight. Meanwhile we played a B game, only defense and pitching were there, the hitting still on vacation, I hope tonight we'll pound their starter early.
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Oct 13, 2006 3:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Great Game
by liam on Oct 13, 2006 3:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As far as
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 4:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW,
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
word
how long you been waiting to break that one out, huh? i bet you had that one in the back of your mind and was just waiting for the opportunity to use it. and this was it.
good stuff.
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good game
Also, I thought Weaver should have been pulled after the Lo Duca AB...he got ahead of him and then lost him... it was obvious that he lost his command in that AB. Missing his spot to Beltran by about 10 inches showed that (and that was another one of those "he's going to hit a homer" ABs... man I'm sick of Carlos Beltran).
As soon as Weaver reaches 5 IP in his next start, the bullpen needs to be up and ready. 5 scoreless is asking a lot for him, any thing more is just pressing your luck. (no whammys)
by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 6:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am proud of our boy, Jeff........
So, c'mon Carp, give us at least 21 shutout outs, and you guys with the sticks, tee off on the rookie.
by fuegophil on Oct 13, 2006 7:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh.......
by fuegophil on Oct 13, 2006 7:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
on Wilson
by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was their "must win" game
by jimstllax on Oct 13, 2006 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What We Learned
- Weaver can handle the Mets' heralded left-hand heavy offense and keep the Cardinals in the game.
- The bullpen brats are for real. Then can pitch shutdown baseball and maintain the game for the offense.
Now lessons about the Mets:
- Glavine can still pitch. But we already knew that.
- The Mets play airtight defense. That catch by Chavez should have been a double. He did what Torii Hunter tried to do. He misses that catch, and it's a different game. The Mets also turned in good plays on hard shots to Wright, Delgado, and Valentin.
I'm as encouraged as a person possibly could be by a loss.
by Titus Pullo on Oct 13, 2006 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hit it hard...
by BigJawnMize on Oct 13, 2006 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Game
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
october surprises - thus far
- bullpen with about 17 innings of scoreless relief (in spite of Looper's attempt to blow that up last night) - high five, boys
- Pujols hitless now in three games (that's dire)
- Rolen keeps getting trotted out there by Tony (c'mon!)
- Spiccoli
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
three games without a hit
by jroman on Oct 13, 2006 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert looked anxious
Hopefully, he'll just relax tonight, concentrate on seeing the ball, making good swings, and not trying to do too much. As we all know, the Cards play better overall when Carp pitches.
by Titus Pullo on Oct 13, 2006 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely off his game
Albert's as competitive as they come, and his "slumps" are usually very short-lived. He makes adjustments as well as anyone around. Tonight would be a perfect time for him to break out - he's got the good memories of two HR's off Maine the last time he saw him.
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just Rolen
by SleepyCA on Oct 13, 2006 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad
Here in Houston I'm getting a lot of "What happened to the Cards last night!" (Idiots!) We pitched well, had a chance to win and lost. Tonight's game is important, however. It was a good plan to push Carp ahead to game 2 but that makes it even more imperative that we go back home even.
by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good game
I was actually pretty irate when Wilson batted instead Duncan in the 8th. Wilson inspires no confidence in me in a close game--he swings from his heels with no patience whatsoever. Lil Dunc has proven he can take a walk if he needs to. You've GOT to extend that inning so Pujols doesn't come up in a meaningless situation (e.g. lead off the ninth with a two run deficit), and Wilson didn't come through. It was Tony's first bad move since putting Marquis on the NLDS roster.
I wonder if Scotty's hurting, or if he's having his usual October flameout? Or both.
Very encouraged with Carp going tonight. I'm pretty sure Shea is going to be rocking tonight. Nothing less than A+ game will win it, even with Maine on the mound.
Go Cards! 10 hours until game 2!
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR's decisions and more
On a lighter note, I echo all you guys above. I have never been more proud of a loss than I was last night. The Dream did a great job. BTW, was their gun reading too fast, or was The Dream really throwing them up there at 92 and 93mph? Anyone have any knowlege on that?
I felt like we played good defense, pitched well, and even had more hard-hit than the Metropolitans did. It was just one of those games where things did not fall.
And, I gotta get this off my chest. WHY IN THE WORLD IS WILSON HITTING 2ND OVER BELLY? I completely understand Duncan hitting in front of Pujols, but Belly is HOT, and Wilson killed some very important AB's. Anyone think there is a good chance of us seeing Speez tonight?
by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2 or 3 times I've seen him,
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the guns
by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yea they are pumping up the guns
by Jocephus on Oct 13, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard fought....
I feel good about this!!!
by bleedred06 on Oct 13, 2006 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it is par for the course for McCarver...
by birdjam on Oct 13, 2006 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To tell the truth
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
throw and tag
by dmb60614 on Oct 13, 2006 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Sheehan agrees with you guys...
"I got an e-mail late last night from a reader criticizing Tim McCarver's insistence that Paul Lo Duca should have tried to score in a second-and-third, one-out situation in the eighth inning. I'm never shy about criticizing broadcasters when warranted, but in this case, McCarver was absolutely right.
The play in question was a groundball to second with the infield in by David Wright. Lo Duca flinched, but never looked to seriously be considering going. Now, the trade-off here is a base for a potential run. If you don't go, you'll have second and third and two outs. If you have the contact play on and get thrown out, you'll have first and third and two outs. The difference between the two situations is less than one-tenth of a run.
Unless the runner on second is more important than the runner on third (in which case the infield would be playing back, anyway), or you believe your runner to have, on average, less than a 10% chance of scoring, the contact play has to be on. Mind you, this isn't Strat-O-Matic, and we can't calculate that figure exactly. However, while I'm sure I can concoct a degenerate situation involving a Molina and the 1972 Baltimore Orioles, any realistic combination of players is going to have a better than 10% chance of scoring.
Randolph should have had the contact play on, and Lo Duca should have been trying to score. It ended up not mattering, because the Cardinals can't score, but it's an interesting example of where understanding the value of situations--the run expectancy chart--can help lead to better decisions."
by birdjam on Oct 13, 2006 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he said
by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rolen
by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Tony would agree with you ...
I hope you and TLR are right. Something's gotta give.
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan/Wilson and Rolen/Spiezio
On Rolen, I may be in the minority, but I thought his swing looked considerably better last night.
by DCGreg on Oct 13, 2006 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like we all had the same though
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what pissed me off more
by dmb60614 on Oct 13, 2006 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
by Speedy G on Oct 13, 2006 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad move, Tony
Otherwise, send Spiezio up there. Don't give me this crap about saving him for the ninth, that was the game right there in the eighth with Pujols on deck. That was our best (only) shot.
Letting Wilson face Mota was a terrible decision.
by Speedy G on Oct 13, 2006 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my first thought too
by OCCardsFan on Oct 13, 2006 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford
by Speedy G on Oct 13, 2006 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Rolen still in there?
However, something isn't right with him this series. Here's his plate appearance breakdown:
5 Pop outs
3 Fly outs
3 Ground outs (1 double play, all on the left side)
2 Strike outs
1 Hit by pitch
1 Walk
1 Double
His postseason average is .071, his OBP is .188, and his OPS is .330. So his OPS+ is a whopping .518.
Something clearly isn't right.
by dspeer on Oct 13, 2006 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Decline ...
It's really hurt this team. And it's been doubly frustrating with a healthy stud like Spiezio just collecting dust on the bench.
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just say no to signing Weaver
by lefty fan on Oct 13, 2006 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
disagree
I don't know if this is enough to warrant signing Weaver. That'll depend on things like the relative pricetags of Suppan and Marquis -- and on whether the team has a shot at getting a top gun like Schmidt or Zito. But I wouldn't rule out Weaver at this stage.
by DCGreg on Oct 13, 2006 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt Weaver's talent
by lefty fan on Oct 13, 2006 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying
by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And if he says he feels OK -
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you
by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rolen
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Helluva time
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok,
by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
au contrair
A lot of folks think that Spiezio brings more right now.
And it's not "bickering" ... more like "fed up" and just pointing out the obvious.
by Urban Pawnee on Oct 13, 2006 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alberts post game comments...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What did he say?
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't have a link...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols on Glavine
"He wasn't good. He wasn't good at all," Pujols said of Glavine, who threw seven innings of four-hit ball for the victory. "I think we hit the ball hard, we didn't get some breaks.
"I say he wasn't good at all. We just didn't get some opportunities and that's it. . . . (Glavine did the) same thing that he always does. Throw a changeup, fastball and that was it. I just think we should've done a better job than we did."
I know he's frustrated, but I really found this out of character from Albert.
by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think the media was freaking him out?
by itsalemmon1019 on Oct 13, 2006 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Bull...
Did the Cardinals make him look dominate by hacking away all night rather than forcing Glavine to throw strikes (something which, when push came to shove, Glavine didn't seem able to do)? Absolutuly.
That indicates to me that the lack of offense last night falls more on the shoulders of the Card offense than on the left arm of Tom Glavine.
by JMedwick on Oct 13, 2006 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon now.
by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Mike Sweeney on Oct 13, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert...
He's pissed about his mistake. He is saying those things things to get the crowd all riled up. So he comes to the plate, puts pressure on himself and bops one out of the park tonight.
by redbird2006in on Oct 13, 2006 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about class sometimes
Could Albert have just tipped his cap and said good game? Yeah. But that would have shown that somebody else was better than him and he would have lost a psycholgical advantage. Now he's going out there tonight with a huge chip on his shoulder, trying to prove that last night was a fluke and he is still the best there is.
It is true that there is a thin line between confidence and cockiness, but I'm going to let the best player in the game decide where that line is, not me.
by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree
Here's to bringing our best blend of patience and aggressiveness to the plate tonight. If we make the rookie work and punish "our" pitches, it stands to be a good night.
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
by dspeer on Oct 13, 2006 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of what Albert said..
No whether Albert thinks that is good is a different story. I say 290 wins speak well that Glavine does something right, even if it is the same thing he does everytime.
Albert was probably a little more upset with his performance and vented. No biggie.
by WiscCard on Oct 13, 2006 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pardon the pun...
it's definitely out of character. and i'll just chalk it up to frustration - for all the reasons mentioned above.
albert's my/our guy. the boss. the truth. a beast. a man among boys. but i have no problem with telling him to shut that pie-hole and let the big stick do the talking tonight.
and i'm 100% convinced that he will. he's going to break out tonight. in a big way.
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets get the whole article here
Yes its a shock, but I agree glavine wasnt that great he was constantly behind in the counts...If he wasnt named Tom glavine then people would have been all over that...It wasnt a typical Glavine performace...the way he(AP) said it makes him look bad, btu think he was just upset...not a big deal
by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually
by eglasier on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan in left
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen
But, did you see the way Glavine pitched him? He cannot keep anything on the inside of the plate in fair territory right now, and he can't catch up with a good fastball. By the way, I think this Maine kid has a pretty lively fastball to throw to him.
Has anyone seen Rolen hit a 93mph fastball since August>
by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Rolen must go.
by Milt Thompson on Oct 13, 2006 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, as stats and the Mets showed last night
So Rolen and his vacuum cleaner defense or Spezio and a little better offense?
Yeah, Rolen's offensive performance REALLY bothers me. But I WANT that defense. What I don't want is something like Eric Chavez' defense from Wednesday night where he creates an opportunity for 2 or 3 Detroit runs - but hey, he hits well!
IMO, this is not a simple, cut and dried decision.
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How?
Rolen's defense is even less important in this series. 6 left handed batters are more likely to smash the ball to 1st than 3rd.
by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't find hte Hardball times article
- Starting pitcher k rate
- defense
- closer
I didn't think Chavez was a very good defense player, but I honestly don't follow the A's. Those 2 or 3 outs he missed in Wednesday's game all turned into runs.
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez' error was an anomaly
"Sucks about the error, but hey he sure can hit."
Ridiculous. If anything Chavez had a poor year offensively, but is consistently excellent with the glove.
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he's such a "dangerous weapon"
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine
But he didn't seem to be sharp. Was behind against a number of hitters, but to his credit, he didn't give in. And there was some solid contact made by the Cards, just right at people. Belly, the DP with runners on 1st & 2nd...
The STL hitters seem to be pressing a lot. Whatever happened to going the other way against Glavine if you are a Rh hitter? Take the outside corner fastball or change to RF. Rolen especially didn't look to go opposite field at all.
It looked like some of the hitters were trying to crush each pitch when they swung. Just string hits together, make the pitcher work in pressure situations and get a rally going.
And please exercise patience. That late inning Eckstein at bat was difficult, especially when he swung at the pitch 2 inched off the dirt. He ultimately did take a walk, but was swinging at bad pitches.
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
quote of the day
Jason Marquis, left off the roster for the league championship series, said he felt "a bit blindsided" by the club's decision and that he didn't care to ask why because it wasn't going to change his status.
... Guess he hasn't been reading this blog.
by DCGreg on Oct 13, 2006 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAH!
by Milt Thompson on Oct 13, 2006 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or looked at his stats!
by chuckb on Oct 13, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's always
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont
by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think tonight
Carp is the ace of the staff and I believe the team has enormous confidence in him - he's earned it.
If he were to go out and lose, I believe the toll it would take on the rest of the players would be a greater degree of pressing. The team would play infinitely tighter. The batters would feel more pressure, the pitchers would likely try to be to precise with their control...
The team would be down 2-0, with their horse not scheduled to come back until game 6.
I say it's a must-win.
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna miss tonight's game...
so I'm counting on the rest of you (or as we say here in Arkansas, y'all!) to root, root, ROOT for Carp and the Cardinals tonight!
With a righthander on the mound, I figger Tony will start Young Dunc in LF, bat JEd cleanup, drop Juancion to fifth and Sco-Ro to sixth. It'll be interesting to see what kind of approach the Redbird batters take against the Mets' rook!
by The Ol Goaler on Oct 13, 2006 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny
It's my youngest's 3rd birthday and his only request was he wanted to see football. So off we go.
But I'll be wearing a Cardinals jersey - and my VEB t-shirt for luck.
And thank goodness to Tivo...
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oct. Friday night in Ark.
I'm having a couple of Cards fans over for a 8:19 am start here in Malaysia. Its more than a world away. But we are wearing red anyhow...
I wish I could see that Autumn night and the take in smell of the grass churned up by the linemen...
Let's get some of the Mets' out and make it 1-1.
by klcard on Oct 13, 2006 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
arkansan as well...
and i'm from ne arkansas. so i know exactly where blytheville is. grew up 30 miles from there.
good stuff.
veb rules.
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, gang...
by The Ol Goaler on Oct 13, 2006 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football committments..
Nice to hear from all the other "Arkies" here, both current and former. I just wish there were more local radio affliates (like it seems there used to be). I get pretty spotty reception sometimes.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 13, 2006 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another Arkie
by steve in georgia on Oct 13, 2006 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not from
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice.
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm another former razorback
by oldbirdwatcher on Oct 14, 2006 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree with Mr. Borowsky
But I like his defense.
I think back to Nettles for NYY vs. the Dodgers in the series. And Brooks Robinson in the series. 3B defense can make a difference.
If Reyes looks to 3b and sees Speizio there rather than Rolen, he will think long and hard about bunting for a hit. I'm sure others would as well.
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder why teams
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wagner's Quote
reporter: This was a big win for you guys tonight, right?... especially
when they've got chris carpenter on the mound tommorow night.
wagner: So?... we've got john maine tommorow night?
the radio guys were talkin' about that this morning... and one of the guys
said "was he being serious?"... "yea, i think he was".... "oh that whole 4
and a 1/3rd inning he pitched in the NLDS???"
by Milt Thompson on Oct 13, 2006 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think that's good comment too.
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that Oliver Perez isn't a potential
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 13, 2006 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want the same thing
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that comment!
Would you rather him say "Well, you are right, we have virtually no chance of winning tonight with some rookie going against the Cy Young winner, so we had to win this game just to be tied 1-1"?
I like that kind of brash confidence. It seems to be the attitude that TLR bleeds from a team when he first gets there. That way they will play good, tight, scared baseball.
by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujol's Comments
Do ppl just think he had a rough nite and took it on the media circus that NY is?
Has he gone off like that before?
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen it before
I would say give him a free pass on this one. It seems out of character for him IMHO.
BTW, as much as I hate what Beltran has done to the Cards in the postseason, he was interviewed on the Cards radio last night. Sounded like a class act.
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He takes the responsibility for a big loss
by Valatan on Oct 13, 2006 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He vented...
Speaking of class, Shea crowd booing Albert on his 1st AB last night isn't exactly classy. You don't have to cheer for the guy, but I doubt StL is going to boo Delgado, Wright or Beltran Saturday.
by WiscCard on Oct 13, 2006 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We only boo'd him....
its actually a sign of respect for him in NY (i know how twisted!!!)
Yea listen I'm not big into booing the other team's superstars, but its just something that always happens in NY. I cant say I approve but there's nothing that can be done.
On you guys in STL not booing our stars - yea, well thats why everyone says you guys are the classiest fans in the business, not us!!! lol
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mom's family is from NYC...
by WiscCard on Oct 13, 2006 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm booing Beltran!!!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame you
I'm sure he'd know the drill too.
I mean jeez he got boo'd in new york when he was on the mets!!!!
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool guys - thanks
And yes, I wouldnt wanna be John Maine tonight either, Mr. Pujols is gonna be on the warpath tonight.
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can be surly...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread may be dead...
I don't have a problem with a guy pointing the finger at himself, but he has to tip his hat to the other guy first.
"Man, Glavine was great tonight, but I really feel like we beat ourselves also..." and it's a non-story.
by Nails on Oct 13, 2006 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm in agreement..
to answer your question though, it's completely out of character. he doesn't ever say things like that. i can't recall a single time he's said something like that.
sure...he's prone to the occasional bat-flip after a monster tater or a glare at a pitcher or a slow trot. it's rare, but albert's more prone to that than running his mouth like this.
so, please spread the word that it's an anomoly. if you or anyone else wants evidence of what this guy is about, check out his charity website... pujolsfamilyfoundation.org. you'll see that this is a superstar athlete with class. unfortunately, a rarity these days. but albert is as good as it gets.
oh...and he's frustrated. so trust me when i tell you that you should be worried about tonight. 10-1 that he comes out with a monster night. seen it too often.
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
I can't imagine what it would be like to have to talk to reporters right after a game in which I was disappointed with myself, ticked off, etc. I'm sure I'd end up saying something I regretted all the time.
Oh, one more thing - The Mets fans will really hate Albert after he performs one of his extra-large bat flips off of an Oliver Perez home run in Game 4.
by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been doing a couple things i don't like
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert has never struck me as a particularly nice
I think being an elite athlete requires a degree of drive, competitiveness, ruthlessness and confidence that often doesn't translate into someone that you would want to hang out with or whose behavior you would want your kids to emulate.
by steve in georgia on Oct 13, 2006 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alberto
by Eckstreem on Oct 13, 2006 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly there are many exceptions to the rule.
by steve in georgia on Oct 13, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game 2 can decide the series
You are joking right, The Mets have the best offence in the league. Dont be suprised if they beat Carpenter at shea, his era on the road is 3 runs higher then at home. If the mets win game 2, this series is all but over.
by Wdwrkr35 on Oct 13, 2006 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and here come the Mets fans...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, don't want to be a prick, but
Sorry, I don't usually try to correct spelling, I'm not the grammar police (anybody else love the mom who does that in the "Jump Start" comic?), but, due to the meaning of the two words involved.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 13, 2006 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucked being sick
by Mr Redbird on Oct 13, 2006 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did TJ find this new found control?
Glad Weaver forgot he can't really pitch to lefties too. Unfortunate that we couldn't eek out a win behind such a phenomenal pitching performance by Jeff but it also gives me hope that Glavine (who isn't know to pitch well on short rest) can be beat the next time around and we won't have to score 8 runs to win the game.
I gotta say that pitching duels are my favorite game to watch - hands down.
by azruavatar on Oct 13, 2006 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he started off shaky...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you meant TG...
He looks to be trying to be more aggressive and stop nibbling (he'll leave that to Tracshel). He also has been working in his curveball a little bit more down the stretch. He maybe only threw 8-10 curves last night, and maybe 5-6 of them were to Pujols...who knows?
And was that Jeff Weaver or Jared last night? I think you guys pulled the brother switcheroo on us!!!!! All kidding aside, Weaver looked awesome, we were all very impressed. That curve was buckling knees all night long
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha you meant TJ
::stupid met fan leaves::
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that would be...
d'oh
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Valatan on Oct 13, 2006 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in fact
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong, he meant TJ...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea my bad as you can see above
Your boy TJ looked real good last night.
I think you guys have found some real gems in the young arms in your bullpen. Should be fun to watch them develop into the studs they have the potential to be.
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ was making me nervous last night
And when he can get that over, man is it a thing of beauty.
But his wildness was starting to show again. I hope that's as much of it as we see in the series.
by BozCardsFanSF on Oct 13, 2006 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved that Chavez pitch where he bailed
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
And if course, if we break through to the World Series we'd probably hit 'em AGAIN with Detroit.
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weaver
by Wdwrkr35 on Oct 13, 2006 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone made the comment this morning
by toris34 on Oct 13, 2006 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's to tonight
by toris34 on Oct 13, 2006 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
does everyone else appreciate this?
i watch pujo all the time, but sometimes i'm still amazed when i see his numbers.
in the past 3 years, he's only gone hitless in 3 straight games 9 TIMES????? are you fucking kidding me? incredible.
wow. i mean, really. wow.
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW is right
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a brighter note...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trying this superstition on the day of the game
Anybody want to put a voodoo curse on the Mets?
After doing this the score tonight will be 4-3 Cardinals. Mark it down.
Though I will say that, the fact that Carpenter is not throwing between starts kind of scares me a little.
by Mugrad on Oct 13, 2006 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this the best time of the year or what?...
I have nothing but respect for the Mets. but I'm hoping they don't for us because it will just give us more of an advantage..SEVEN game series boys...loooooonnnng...way to go yet...GO CARDS!!
by Timbo02 on Oct 13, 2006 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Back from off-site meeting
by Solanus on Oct 13, 2006 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure
by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cliff notes now available at
by lboros on Oct 13, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff notes
by Solanus on Oct 13, 2006 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preston's "ball 4" swing...
a) it might have been called a strike. It would have been a bad call/high strike...but could have been...that's what you do w/ 2 strikes - protect the plate.
b) 98 mph fastball that rides up in the zone is seriously not easy to recognize as obviously a "ball".
Preston actually showed miraculous patience (for him) in his ab, running the count to 3-2. He had to swing at that pitch and popped it up. As, lboros would say, boo hooo hooo.
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 13, 2006 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for checking that out
That's obviously separate from who Tony sent up there - absolutely should have been Duncan. Given that it was Wilson, he approached it the right way in my book and it just didn't work out against a good pitcher.
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-0 Count
You guys get what I am trying to say?
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 13, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
Of course, no one pays ME to hit a baseball.
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
And the k-zone thing on gameday showed it in the zone; unfortunately they don't seem to archive gameday. I wish they would, since you never know until afterwards if there is going to be controversy and then it is too late to take a screenshot...
by SleepyCA on Oct 13, 2006 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dan patric show
dan is ripping pujols. olberman is defending him saying that the comment was out of context. it was a question stemming from glavine saying that he shut down the cardinals. keith saying that glavine didn't do anything special...just like pujols said.
dan patrick was all over pujols saying glavine won 290 games, yada, yada....
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh
by Alxfritz on Oct 13, 2006 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true enough.
i'll expect a healthy round of boo-birds for el hombre tonight.
by busch league on Oct 13, 2006 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Hernandez
by Hernandez on Oct 13, 2006 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
by Robb on Oct 13, 2006 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We care...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
by BigJawnMize on Oct 13, 2006 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not on my list
And yes I use this site more than that one. I wouldn't buy what he's selling guys :)
by PondScumFan on Oct 13, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience...
Remember woody's 3 pitch inning on sunday? That is unacceptable.
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 13, 2006 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE GUY ON METSMOLE.COM
he does make a point though (AS MUCH AS I HATE TO ADMIT IT)-glavine's a first ballot HOFer, he must be doing SOMETHING right.
by PujolsforPres on Oct 13, 2006 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop trying to pimp your site here, no one cares.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm this is curious
PujolsforPres is uid:1382
at least be a little more clever in trying to get people to go to your site.
by azruavatar on Oct 13, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Busted!
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the actual Pujols quote
It is under 'Pujols comments on Game 1 pitching'
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 13, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't snap, but
"What happened on the DP between first and second in the 4th, Albert?"
"Double play, that's what happened."
by wildman on Oct 13, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just posted something sinliar to your link up ab
by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do people have to Give pujols the Bonds
by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh. It's funny you should ask
There's just so dang much news whitespace to fill these days. Newspapers, online newspaper exclusives, websites like ESPN and Sportsline, blogs, sites like Hardball Times, etc. So you get more and more inane questions and more and more "outrage."
by sdrone on Oct 13, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really though
by punchinjudy on Oct 13, 2006 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh but...
I am not taking anything away from Albert, he is the best player I have ever seen play the game. All I am saying is that Mike talked trash before he won his titles and even more so once he got them. I would like to see Albert have the same swagger, the same stats, and then once the titles come, say "What now? I told you so."
by Edmonds is baseball on Oct 13, 2006 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we please
by DimitroffVodka on Oct 13, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rockin' Redbird
Ok, boys I have to go to a rehearsal dinner at 7: eastern but figure I can sneak out by 8:30 and be home by the 3rd. Here's to a good start w/o me...
by toris34 on Oct 13, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see
by rockin redbird on Oct 13, 2006 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch your language, junior.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Oct 13, 2006 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do you think the mets strategy
by brock on Oct 13, 2006 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan/Wilson vs Mota
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